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Speaker 1: The main thing that we have been discussing this morning

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Speaker 1: Four Corners last night that did focus on private security

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Speaker 1: and the way in which it's operating here in the

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Speaker 1: Association will yesterday following that reshuffle, raise concerns about the

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Speaker 1: files government cabinet reshuffle with the most junior member of

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Labor Party, Brent Potter, taking on the

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Speaker 1: police portfolio. The Northern Territory Police Association president Nathan Finn

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Speaker 1: issued a statement saying yesterday it's difficult to see this

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Speaker 1: move as anything other than downgrading these significance and relevance

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Speaker 1: of one of the most important Northern Territory government departments

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Speaker 1: at a time when the Territory is plagued by record

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Speaker 1: levels of crime and the Northern Territory Police Force is

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Speaker 1: crippled by chronic understaffing and under resourcing. Now Nathan Finn

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katy, and good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: But what are your concerns with Brent Potter taking on

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Speaker 1: the police portfolio.

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Speaker 2: We're concerned obviously because the lack of experienced by missus

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Speaker 2: seriously that the Chief Minister has given one of the

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Speaker 2: most important portfolios to a minister who still has their

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Speaker 2: training wheels on.

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Speaker 1: Basically, so you reckon. I mean the reality is because

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Speaker 1: show that he's worked as an advisor to the police

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Speaker 1: minister previously, that he's got experience within the defense force.

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Speaker 1: Does any of that mean much?

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Speaker 2: It doesn't mean much to us and our members, Katie.

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Speaker 2: He's got experience here in Defense Force. He hasn't got

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Speaker 2: experience in police and how police has run. He has

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Speaker 2: been a ministerial adviser to Miss Madison when she was

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Speaker 2: a police minister, and again I'll ask how did that go.

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Speaker 2: We had issues raised with her, especially around the obviously

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Speaker 2: sentencing for assaults on police and obviously frontline workers that

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Speaker 2: hasn't been progressed. There's committees that haven't progressed anything under

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Speaker 2: her Leadershi and obviously if he was the advisor to that,

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Speaker 2: he had a few influence on it. What the minister was.

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Speaker 1: Doing, so you reckon he's tainted.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe he's tainted. I believe everything everyone's worth

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Speaker 2: a fresh start. Brent has actually reached out to me

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Speaker 2: yesterday and I'm looking forward to working with him. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: I can't decide who's going to work with us as

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Speaker 2: the police Minister, but I'm happy to work with whoever

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Speaker 2: provided as long as they're acting in good faith and

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Speaker 2: there got the ability to consult with us and listen

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Speaker 2: to what our concerns are and that the concerns of

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Speaker 1: Finny, would you have been I mean, would you have

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Speaker 1: thought that the Chief Minister would have taken this role herself.

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Speaker 2: It's predominantly sat with the Chief Minister previously and we

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Speaker 2: expected that that was going to be the case again.

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Speaker 2: But again we're seeing this being downplayed. A serious portfolio

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Speaker 2: like police should have a serious senior minister looking after us,

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Speaker 2: and the fact that we're not getting that again shows

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Speaker 1: I mean right now, like you don't have to listen

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Speaker 1: day or watch nine news to actually realize that crime

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Speaker 1: anti social behavior. They are our biggest issues to so

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Speaker 1: people feel as though crime public safety is the biggest

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Speaker 2: It is in your face every day, Katie. It affects

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Speaker 2: the way you, I, my children live here in the

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Speaker 2: how do we fix this problem. How do we deal

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Speaker 2: with the main issues we have in society here in

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Speaker 1: It does sound as though you're open though, to working

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Speaker 1: with Brent Potter, even though you do see that he's

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Speaker 2: Definitely, And all I'm asking for, And as I've said

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Speaker 2: going to have differences in views, but again I'm saying

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Speaker 2: This is our members concerns that they raise with me,

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Speaker 1: Has there been much feedback since yesterday, since that announcement

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, there's a lot of feedback coming to us

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Speaker 2: that clearly the government aren't supporting us. Again, they feel

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Speaker 2: highlighted now in this decision.

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Speaker 1: Now, are you pleased so to see that the portfolios

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Speaker 1: of police and territory families have been separated?

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Speaker 2: Definitely? That was it again something that the government trial.

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Speaker 2: We're trying to obviously and put us forward to working

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Speaker 2: We have got different personalities within either factions where we're

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Speaker 1: For me, So, do you reckon this is going to

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Speaker 2: Definitely, I'd give a greater focus on what they need

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Speaker 2: to focus on. For Kate Warden to do both portfolios

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Speaker 2: the results of how that's turned out, and now it's

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Speaker 1: Were you surprised to see that she'd sort of been

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Speaker 1: Now, based on the pressure release that i'd read yesterday

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Speaker 1: what do you make of that move?

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Speaker 2: This is a conversation I had with mister Murphy a

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Speaker 2: take care of the foreign emergency service side of the house,

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Speaker 2: so you can focus on policing and policing only within

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I by the look of it, or certainly

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Speaker 1: is that it's going to be a positive move and

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Speaker 1: we'll give the police Commissioner the opportunity to really focus

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Speaker 2: And the advice I've received back from our fire members

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Speaker 2: with these fiery members and I'd love to call them

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Speaker 1: Will be pleased with that or unhappy.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes they'll be pleased that they've got to actual focus

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Speaker 2: have a more of a say. They feel that like

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Speaker 2: that they have more of a say and more ability

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Speaker 1: Now, I want to move along to the four Quarters

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Speaker 1: report last night. It focused on security doing the job

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, I watched it. I was concerns. These are

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Speaker 2: concerns that I've raised previously, both with yourself here on

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Speaker 2: we don't support the second dear chieving or the cheap

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Speaker 2: key issues that we've seen last night. As the security

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Speaker 2: when police are unavailable, Definitely they're not the case. It's

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Speaker 2: not the case at all that their training, experience and

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Speaker 2: We're concerned that this report has highlighted that these officers

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Speaker 1: I mean, have the government failed here though by allowing

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Speaker 2: They are trying band aid solutions to make sure that

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Speaker 2: This is not the option, Catie. We have said this

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Speaker 2: time and time again that this is a cheap option

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Speaker 2: don't deserve this. The members of our community want to

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Speaker 2: with the legislative powers and the training to deal with

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Speaker 1: Well, that's a juggle we've got right now, though, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: We don't necessarily want security to be having to do

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Speaker 1: the job set that people would usually expect the police

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Speaker 1: able to head out and patrol some of those areas

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Speaker 1: where we have got you know, that drunken sort of

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Speaker 1: behavior or you know, anti social behavior, and the community

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Speaker 1: don't feel safe if there's nobody around patrolling the area.

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Speaker 2: The reality is if we haven't got enough police police resources.

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Speaker 2: That's why you don't see police responding and doing proactive

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Speaker 2: patrols in these spaces. We have not got enough resources.

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Speaker 2: It's well advertised. We need those resources to be put

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Speaker 2: back into police. Again, these contracts are being handed over

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Speaker 2: to police to manage. How inappropriate is that?

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon that opens the police up potentially to

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Speaker 2: Any person can see that's going to provide a conflict

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Speaker 2: of interests of how we actually investigate these matters. If

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Speaker 1: Finny, before I let you go. A pressure release came

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Speaker 1: Police Commissioner, Michael Murphy has said, while responding to these

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Speaker 2: Definitely woful, Katie. It's not the physical damage that is

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Speaker 2: it goes back to the policy of the government. We

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Speaker 1: Obviously the Northern Territory government outsprooking their reshuffle, sprowking those changes,

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Speaker 2: Definitely, Katie, he needs to be unnoticed now that these

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Speaker 2: things need to change. We have called for these changes

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Speaker 2: Give at least the powers and give police the backing

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Speaker 2: Come up with positive action to make sure that you

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Speaker 1: Nathan Finn, We always appreciate your time. Thank you very

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Katie, and sorry for the bit of a

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Speaker 2: A very difficult situation and unfortunately our members are responding

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, Nathan Finn. Always appreciate your time. Thanks very

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Speaker 1: much for speaking with us.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate your time, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Thank you,