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Speaker 1: the government planning to pass legislation in a number of

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Speaker 1: different areas. And over the weekend dozens of protesters on

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Speaker 1: the steps of Saint Mary's Cathedral. They were there to

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Speaker 1: argue against the Anti Discrimination Amendment Bill, including former Territory

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Speaker 1: Labor Attorney General Chris Burns, as well as former Member

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Speaker 1: for Nightcliff and Speaker of the Legislative Assembly Jane Agart.

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Speaker 1: Now joining me in the studio right now is the

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister of the Northern Territory, Natasha Files. Good morning

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Chief Minister. On the face of it, people seem

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Speaker 1: really quite okay with the majority of changes to the

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Speaker 1: Anti Discrimination Act, but there are some serious concerns around

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Speaker 1: the changes to religious freedom and freedom of speech. Why

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Speaker 1: were these changes made after consultation?

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Speaker 3: So, Katie, these changes came from the consultation. So, as

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Speaker 3: you've said, we have a very antiquated Anti Discrimination Act.

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Speaker 2: I think it's from nineteen ninety two.

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Speaker 3: We have done have you say, There's been a draft

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Speaker 3: exposure bill, but this is a step forward for a

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Speaker 3: modern Northern territory that doesn't discriminate based on someone's sexuality,

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Speaker 3: you know, those types of attributes that we unfortunately still

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Speaker 1: So you have got a situation where but where faith

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Speaker 1: Gouci joined us on the show last week and had

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Speaker 1: explained the reasons why they are concerned about these changes.

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Speaker 1: So can you give me some examples as to what

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Speaker 1: received as to why this aspect needs to be pushed through.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Katie, and we have been and I have spoken

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Speaker 3: to a number of religious leaders, I've spoken to members

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Speaker 3: if it's a genuine occupational qualification, so for example, the

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Speaker 3: religious education teacher for the chaplain, the principle they can

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Speaker 3: still discriminate based on that attribute. But we don't believe

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Speaker 3: in a broad brush discrimination just because someone, for example,

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Speaker 1: So that can you give us some examples when has

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Speaker 1: this happened in the Northern Territory in the past to

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Speaker 3: So, Katie, a good example is some remote communities only

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Speaker 3: have a religious based school in that community. So you

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Speaker 1: And so has that happened in a Northern Territory school?

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Katie, we see discrimination based on gender orientation, sexuality

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Speaker 3: Saying is that if the church based school, the religious

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Speaker 3: they can still say, Katie, you're going to be our

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Speaker 3: so they will not be forced to employ atheists, which

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Speaker 1: So I guess what I'm trying to wrap my head around, though,

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Speaker 1: So why is the Northern Territory government pushing ahead with

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Speaker 3: So Katie, we often in the Northern Territory have two

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Speaker 2: But what the common Wealth are doing is.

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Speaker 3: They're looking at their Act which yes, it does come

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Speaker 1: Its soon though, what this change is potentially going to

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Speaker 1: Again, though no one's disputing that. I think everybody actually

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Speaker 1: Everybody feels as though people should be treated fairly. But

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Speaker 3: It's wrong, Katie. So we've reached out to the bishop

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Speaker 1: And this is what's still on the weekend. Still ended

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Speaker 1: If you'd meet with them again last week.

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Speaker 3: I didn't meet with them, but we clearly communicated with

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Speaker 2: Well, this is a point of frustration from me, Katie.

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Speaker 3: In one step, they say, oh, we don't discriminate, we

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Speaker 2: We're not what the word like.

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Speaker 3: So Katie, I'm telling you what the legislation is. Section

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Speaker 2: So it is up to the schools to.

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Speaker 3: Decide what the occupational qualification is. But an example is

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Speaker 1: You've obviously got a situation where former labor members have

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Speaker 1: And so have there been examples where this has happened

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Speaker 3: The specific examples before me, but you would think that

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Speaker 3: My understanding across the territory and we need to make

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Speaker 1: What about when it comes to these changes if someone

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Speaker 3: No, and this, Katie, is something that we've looked really carefully.

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Speaker 3: The Northern Territory doesn't have any antiphilification law. Are the

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Speaker 3: to be a profound and serious effect. But this is

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Speaker 3: something Katie. When I've met with church leaders, they've explained

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Speaker 3: protection for them under Section fifty that they can do so.

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Speaker 3: And in fact, if we've seen many church services live

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Speaker 1: In the media. Like what about for us in the media.

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Speaker 3: So, Katie, the vilification where the last jurisdiction that doesn't

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Speaker 3: It's based on the Federal Commonwealth racial discrimination.

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Speaker 2: Then they have that protection under Section thirty five.

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Speaker 1: And so what about so with those religious groups, for example,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really important point that's been lost. Like

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Speaker 3: No, So the people in my team. They must respect

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Speaker 1: What about inside parliament to you guys still then protected

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Speaker 3: So parliamentarians, parliament privilege is well established around Australia and

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Speaker 3: So Katie, in terms of this legislation, it's not going

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Speaker 1: All right, We're going to have to move along. Over

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Speaker 1: Where are things at now, We've taking kids to a

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Speaker 1: Does the data include any information about alcohol related crime?

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Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Is it time for us to

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Speaker 1: have a look at whether that's included in the crime

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Speaker 1: stats so we can actually see the impact that it's

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Speaker 1: having in that way.

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Speaker 3: So, Katie, the crime statistics and the way that they're

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Speaker 3: formulated are based on information that are collected from police.

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Speaker 3: I'm happy to take on board the point that you've

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Speaker 3: made and see if there's some way that can be incorporated.

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Speaker 3: We do know that alcohol is a factoring a large

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Speaker 3: range of offenses right across the Northern Territory. It's the

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Speaker 3: biggest social challenge we face. It costs our community significantly,

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Speaker 3: but it is a legal product, so we try and

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Speaker 3: put in place balances that protect the community but do

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Speaker 3: respect people's right to access.

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Speaker 1: Alright, Chief Minister, we've run out of time. We're going

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Speaker 1: to have to leave it there. Thank you, as always

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Speaker 1: for catching up with us this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you