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Speaker 1: And of course it is Friday morning.

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Speaker 2: It is time for the week that was, and joining

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Speaker 2: us in the studio this morning, we've got the Opposition leader,

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Speaker 2: Leah Fanochiaro, good morning.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Happy Friday, Oh love Friday.

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Speaker 2: We've also got Matt Cunningham from Sky News, Good morning morning.

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Speaker 2: And Kesier Purick, the Independent member for Goder, Good morning

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Speaker 2: to you.

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Speaker 1: Mor oh hang on, I've got the wrong microphone on there.

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Speaker 1: Good morning again, Kezy. I did that on purpose, just

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Speaker 1: because I was late morning for all people.

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Speaker 2: And we've got Natasha Fhiles, the Health Minister and Tourism Minister.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 4: And Kezier and I are sharing a microphone. Yes we

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Speaker 4: go quiet, that's why.

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Speaker 2: But Matt's prepared to share. He's a little bit as well.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure if required, if there's any need. Hey, mate,

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Speaker 2: the record, I'm not prepared to share my mac.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: Look, each there's no doubt it's going to be a

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Speaker 2: busy morning because, as we know, the Northern Territory government

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Speaker 2: has issued a legal direction mandating workers in a broad

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Speaker 2: range of settings received their COVID nineteen vaccine within a month.

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Speaker 2: The Chief Minister, Michael Gunner made the announcement earlier in

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Speaker 2: the week and confirm that the mandate covered all public

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Speaker 1: In the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 2: Now the workers, as we know will be required to

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Speaker 2: have received at least one dose by November twelve and

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Speaker 2: a second by November or by December twenty four. The

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Speaker 2: sticking point if you don't comply, you will be permitted

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Speaker 2: to and you will not be permitted I should say

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Speaker 2: to attend your workplace and you could face a five

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars fine. There's no doubt that it is causing

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Speaker 2: a bit of confusion. I think it'll be fair to

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Speaker 2: what the ramifications could potentially be for them if they

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Speaker 2: do dismiss somebody, will they get done for untfear dismissal.

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Speaker 2: They're just some of the conversations that we've had over

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Speaker 2: the last twenty four hours.

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Speaker 6: Who wants to go I assume Natasha would jump on

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Speaker 6: that one, but yeah, you're right, Katie people. That is

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Speaker 6: certainly some of the feedback people. You know, we were

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Speaker 6: really hoping there'd be a lot more detail in that announcement,

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Speaker 6: and ultimately a lot of employers have got a lot

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Speaker 6: of things they have to do now. They're not really

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Speaker 6: sure about the reporting requirements for the register, they're not

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Speaker 6: really sure if they then have the power to terminate someone.

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Speaker 6: They're not sure what happens in the event that a

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Speaker 6: non forward facing role, and whether or not they have

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Speaker 6: to do those types of things.

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Speaker 3: So I think, you know, there's some details.

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Speaker 6: That really need to be nutted out, and they're goun

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Speaker 6: to Government really need to be then providing all of

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Speaker 6: all sorts of other really difficult complications which had time

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Speaker 4: This acknowledges Katie that we're in a global pandemic and

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Speaker 4: it is required for people to be vaccinated. We have

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Speaker 4: currently obligations around work health and safety. For example, if

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Speaker 4: you're serving alcohol, you have to have responsible service of alcohol.

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Speaker 4: If you are dealing with gaming machines, there's a register

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Speaker 4: So in terms of the detail, we've published the Chow

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Speaker 4: Directions and we will work with businesses, unions, industry groups

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Speaker 4: around the implementation of that. But it is really important

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Speaker 4: and we have pleasingly seen an increase in the number

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Speaker 4: you know, the time has come, you need to get vaccinated.

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Speaker 4: I don't believe can keep the virus out forever. I

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Speaker 4: think everyone has done a fantastic job. It's inevitable it'll come.

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Speaker 4: When we first had the pandemic, we didn't have a

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Speaker 7: Look, I think to go back to your original question,

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Speaker 7: the easiest way to clear things up if people have

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Speaker 5: I think that's the most important message here.

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Speaker 7: I mean, there'll be an issue as to how the

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Speaker 5: I mean, to be honest, what was.

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Speaker 7: Announced this week i'd normally stand, would say, goes against

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Speaker 7: everything that I generally stand for, which is totally against government.

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Speaker 5: Government's telling its citizens what it.

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Speaker 7: Has to do.

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Speaker 5: But I think there's this in this case.

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Speaker 7: I would absolutely make an exception because we're talking about

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Speaker 7: the need to protect all of us really, and the

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Speaker 7: I want to get back to a situation where we

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Speaker 7: and at the moment, fortunately we're not able to do that.

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Speaker 7: So if the alternative, you know, if I've given a choice,

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Speaker 7: I'm taking mandatory vaccination every time.

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Speaker 8: Canty.

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Speaker 9: There's another issue here that I think the government needs

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Speaker 9: to address and probably not been spoken about, is we

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Speaker 9: of vaccinations for a variety of reasons. That's not what

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Speaker 9: the issues at this point in time. A lot of

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Speaker 9: those people in those communities work in their support to

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Speaker 1: So they're either going to turn up for.

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Speaker 9: Work and be told they have to be vaccinated or

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Speaker 9: So some of those community people who don't want to

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Speaker 9: A big, i think potentially a big rollout of people

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Speaker 2: The vacat something that Jarvistrian actually from the education yesterday.

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Speaker 1: You know, so have they I did hear a bit

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Speaker 9: They haven't even spoken to groups like the Javis Rising,

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Speaker 9: the Education Unit, perhaps the nurses union or federation I

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Speaker 9: should sell. So it's fine to say us urban white

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Speaker 9: people in businesses, you know you're going to be mandated.

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Speaker 9: And it's already creating a problem. I've already had yesterday,

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Speaker 9: They're quite righted what it means for the employment and

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Speaker 9: serious issue because they're going to have to roll out

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Speaker 1: Now there's a.

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Speaker 9: Strong resistance in some companies from men, young white men

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Speaker 2: I think it's going to evente like we're going to

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Speaker 2: that New South Wales has pretty much just said that

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Speaker 2: they're going to allow travelers back in as of well

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Speaker 2: but they're ready to open for business. It is going

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Speaker 1: We're going to have to open up.

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Speaker 2: So what point do you sort of go, Okay, Well,

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Speaker 2: there's an element of the community who does not want

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Speaker 6: I'm really sad by what's happened since March. The vaccine

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Speaker 6: I think people had a lot of goodwill for government

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Speaker 6: if we had have done things differently back then, I

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Speaker 6: We're only twenty seven percent in some communities is the

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Speaker 6: very stringent measures, which no one's disputing. But you know,

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Speaker 6: you can't escape the fact that we definitely could have

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Speaker 2: I'll take you to a bit of the well, a

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Speaker 8: Take a listen, this is getting to the point of

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Speaker 8: being serious. We were trending up. Now we're not who's

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Speaker 8: going to take responsibility for the first death in the territory,

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Speaker 8: Who's going to take the responsibility of the first Aboriginal

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Speaker 8: death in the territory. I know some of the influencers

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Speaker 8: and they are from the US anti VAXX lobby and

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Speaker 8: faith organizations. They are using social media, particularly in Aboriginal communities,

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Speaker 8: and they've done this before when we had the measles outbreak.

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Speaker 1: So there you go.

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Speaker 2: That was Hugh Hegee, the Chief Health Officer, a little

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Speaker 2: about that health direction. You know, he was saying that

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Speaker 2: we have got lobby groups who've gone into you know,

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Speaker 2: happening right around the place. Matt, you were at that

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Speaker 5: Yes, this is a serious disease.

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Speaker 7: But I don't think that, you know, coming out and

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I agree with Matt, you know that nothing will

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Speaker 1: And let's let's let's be clear about this.

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Speaker 1: We need to work together.

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Speaker 9: Governments obviously got to do their bit with their services,

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Speaker 1: They don't want to hear it from police. Agreeint to

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Speaker 4: I was talking to one of the vaccine coordinators.

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Speaker 4: She's been out traveling the territory's setting up vaccine clinics

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Speaker 4: And that's why we have had an enormous amount of

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Speaker 4: And we need to support communities and that's what I've

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Speaker 6: I think, excuse me, I think though it's an admission.

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Speaker 6: You know, at the press conference that couple of days ago,

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Speaker 6: Once people have made up their mind it's very hard

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Speaker 9: See Katie, what she's done is suck the oxygen out

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Speaker 9: regrettable and it shouldn't have happened, and she should know

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Speaker 1: Nothing to do with politics.

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Speaker 9: This is about human safety and human well being and

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Speaker 9: just get on with it, you know, don't take the

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Speaker 1: That's the bottom line. Get more people vaccinated.

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Speaker 5: That's one hundred percent right.

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Speaker 7: And I think that goes for both sides, because you know,

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Speaker 7: and just like let's.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what you've got to add to that, Leada.

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Speaker 3: People expect us to have a position. You can't have

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Speaker 6: So we get these little tiny half hour windows twice

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Speaker 6: They're clearly her personal views and not the views supported

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Speaker 3: As a party or as an opposition.

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Speaker 6: But you know, ultimately the announcement was a very stringent

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Speaker 6: But ultimately, we're at this point now and we have

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'll let the territories make up their own mind.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, I think that.

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Speaker 3: Things are misreported, Natasha.

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Speaker 6: I'm telling you very clearly that at that same press conference,

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Speaker 6: Bill Yan said, we've always said we'll support the best

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Speaker 3: But what is that.

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Speaker 1: For the three categories that are issued under these directions.

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Speaker 3: We've accepted all of it. We've accepted all of it.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing to see.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely play the politics we back in the health advice.

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Speaker 3: It's now time to get on with the job.

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Speaker 2: Well, on that note, we're going to take a very

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Speaker 2: and the plans in terms of moving forward when it

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Speaker 2: comes to travel, particularly following on from that announcement by

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Speaker 2: Quantas a little bit earlier in the week or towards

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Speaker 2: the end of last week. We'll take a very short break.

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Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix ONEOW four point nine's three

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Speaker 2: sixty is the week that was.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to the week that was in.

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Speaker 2: The studio with us this morning of course, Leafinokiro, Matt Cunningham,

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Speaker 2: Keesy Epirica and Natasha Files.

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Speaker 1: Now it has just been announced by the.

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Speaker 2: New South Wales premiere, the New New South Wales Premier,

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Speaker 2: Dominic Pirete, that no quarantine for returning travelers overseas from

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Speaker 2: the first of November. Just one of those tests prior

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Speaker 2: to departure and making sure that you're fully vaxed. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: certainly interesting, particularly on the back of us getting those

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Speaker 2: flights from Darwin to London and learning on Monday in

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Speaker 2: that interview that we'd had with the Chief Minister Michael

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Speaker 2: Gunner that people will still indeed be required to do

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Speaker 2: fourteen days of quarantine out at Howard Springs if they

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Speaker 2: choose to go overseas. You know, he did say that

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Speaker 2: that is going to move towards home quarantining, but you're

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Speaker 2: still looking at fourteen days. It's an awfully long period

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Speaker 2: of time if you want to have a holiday.

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Speaker 4: Kay, Do you think New South Wales is in a

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Speaker 4: very different place to the territory they've had the virus.

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Speaker 4: It's certainly had huge case numbers and we're now seeing

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Speaker 4: tragic case numbers come out of Victoria. The figures yesterday

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Speaker 4: were just horrifying. But we in terms of vaccinating our community,

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Speaker 4: that absolutely is our roadmap to the new normal, and

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Speaker 4: we will of course try and keep the virus out.

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Speaker 4: We have outlined our plans for home quarantining from a

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Speaker 4: domestic you know point of view, with the vaccination rates

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Speaker 4: protecting our community, and I think that you'll see once

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Speaker 4: we get those high rates of vaccination, things will shift.

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Speaker 1: But there was an exciting amounce.

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Speaker 2: Are we talking like shifting to home quarantine for seven

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Speaker 2: days or are we talking a similar situation where it

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Speaker 2: will be like a test and then maybe seventy two hours.

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Speaker 2: Because the fact is, like I get the sense that

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Speaker 2: if we don't move towards being you know, those those

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Speaker 2: quarantining times being a bit you know, a bit shorter,

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Speaker 2: we are going to be left behind when it comes

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Speaker 2: to tourism and travel.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the Chief Minister did acknowledge that that in terms

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Speaker 4: of the move to home quarantine and then also looking

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Speaker 4: at those quarantining times and possibly testing regime.

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Speaker 1: So we need to follow the health advice. We are

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Speaker 1: in a unique position.

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Speaker 4: We're in a very different position to New South Wales

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Speaker 4: where we haven't had the virus any community transmission. But

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Speaker 4: the vaccine is such an exciting tool for us to

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Speaker 4: get to that new normal. And I know the vast

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Speaker 4: majority of Territorians have done the right thing, and we

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Speaker 4: need to acknowledge that the tens hundreds of thousands of

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Speaker 4: people that have vaccinated or that have had doses have

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Speaker 4: been delivered and the tens of thousands of people that

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Speaker 4: are vaccinated.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got to say.

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Speaker 2: Though, there's lots of Territorians now who are saying, well,

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Speaker 2: I am fully vaccinated. You know, I've had my double dose,

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Speaker 2: so why can't I actually travel and why can't I

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Speaker 2: actually go.

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Speaker 1: And do more? That was what was sort of promised

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Speaker 1: when I got my.

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Speaker 4: Vaccine, and that's what in the announcement earlier this week

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Speaker 4: for fully vaccinated not only Territorians, but if you've got

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Speaker 4: family from Intero State, they can come into the territory

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Speaker 4: and participate in that home quarantine where wass if you're

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Speaker 4: not vaccinated, you won't be welcome in the territory.

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Speaker 7: I think we're seeing with that announcement in New South

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Speaker 7: Wales what's coming and we just can't be left you know,

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Speaker 7: we cannot continue in three months time to be saying

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Speaker 7: you still need to go to Howard Springs or you

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Speaker 7: still need to go into quarantine for fourteen days. If

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Speaker 7: the rest of the country is saying come on in

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Speaker 7: and come on in from overseas. I'll watch a lot

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Speaker 7: of American sport on TV and I love it. And

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Speaker 7: I'm watching at the moment games of college football being

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Speaker 7: played in the United States where their vaccination rates are

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Speaker 7: lower than ours, in front of pack stadiums of eighty

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Speaker 7: thousand people. They have returned to a normal life, and

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Speaker 7: they have done that on the vaccine, but on vaccine

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Speaker 7: rates that are lower than ours. And I think that

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Speaker 7: that's where we are going to get to, and it's

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Speaker 7: going to get to a point where it's kind of

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Speaker 7: your choice.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 7: The best protection we have is the vaccine. If you

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Speaker 7: choose not to get vaccinated, well you were taking that risk.

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Speaker 7: But you know, I think that what's happening in New

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Speaker 7: South Wales is what will never have to happen here

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Speaker 7: because we cannot keep our borders closed if the rest

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Speaker 7: of the country's opened up.

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Speaker 2: Well, particularly over that Christmas break, and I think that

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Speaker 2: this is something that a lot of people are wondering

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Speaker 2: right now because there's people planning for their Christmas holidays.

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Speaker 2: They're planning on whether they're going to be able to

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Speaker 2: have family come to visit. And right now, if you

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Speaker 2: have family in New South Wales or Victoria, if they

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Speaker 2: come here for a Christmas break, they're going to need

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Speaker 2: to quarantine at your house or at Howard Springs for

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Speaker 2: two weeks to be able to get here to visit

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Speaker 2: their family, aren't they Coatie.

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Speaker 9: Yes, it's getting this is to use that expression, this

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Speaker 9: is serious. We're getting to a critical point in the

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Speaker 9: whole saga coming up to the Christmas festivity period and

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Speaker 9: the New Year, but more so Christmas, where it's really

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Speaker 9: going to take its toll if families cannot get together

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Speaker 9: in a safe way, or they cannot visit, or they

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Speaker 9: cannot travel, particularly when you've got the young at this

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Speaker 9: age and you've got the grandparents at that age. And

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Speaker 9: I think by early next year we're going to have

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Speaker 9: a serious problem I think within our community when it

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Speaker 9: comes to mental health and well being.

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Speaker 1: So governments have to.

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Speaker 9: Be very very clear about what they travelers can or

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Speaker 9: can't do with we go to New said, New South Wales,

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Speaker 9: you know, and they're an open state. And then we

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Speaker 9: come back to the Northern Territory and the government's socie.

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Speaker 9: Sorry've got to go two weeks in Howard Springs.

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Speaker 1: Like that's just silly.

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Speaker 9: Like I've got the Buddhist monk out at the Cambodian

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Speaker 9: temple at Howard Springs is fully vaccinated. He's had to

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Speaker 9: go back to Sydney for ceremonial reasons to do with

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Speaker 9: the temple down there. Now he's going to come back.

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Speaker 9: He thinks he's okay because he's vaccinated, and he is vaccinated,

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Speaker 9: and he's young, but he's going to have to spend

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Speaker 9: another two weeks in Howard Springs.

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Speaker 1: Now how does that work.

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Speaker 9: He's fully vaccinated, he can prove he's vaccinated, as can

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Speaker 9: many other travelers, and yet he's going to have to

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Speaker 9: come back into Howard Springs.

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Speaker 1: Now something's got to give here.

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Speaker 9: I mean, he's an okay person, he's fine, you know,

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Speaker 9: health and welfare and mentally all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 9: But a lot of families are going to really struggle

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Speaker 9: coming into Christmas and out of Christmas if they can't

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Speaker 9: see their loved ones. Some people, as we all know,

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Speaker 9: haven't seen each other for like two three years.

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Speaker 1: Well, that takes a big q the nation as well.

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Speaker 2: You know, we'd spoken on Egg yesterday to Steph, a

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Speaker 2: former producer on this show. Her partner is in Newcastle

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Speaker 2: at the moment with their car and caravan. He's not

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Speaker 2: able to drive back because he cannot get through Queenside,

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Speaker 2: you know, like you literally cannot drive through Queenside.

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Speaker 1: If they want to, then.

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Speaker 2: Put those vehicles onto a truck to be transported here

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Speaker 2: and him traveler.

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Speaker 1: He's also got a quarantine. You're looking at close to

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Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars for him to be able to come home.

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Speaker 1: He's not alone.

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Speaker 9: There's another little component to this, and that's people who

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Speaker 9: travel with pets. Now, my sister's in Sydney and she's

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Speaker 9: got two dogs with her and she's looking to come

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Speaker 9: home for Christmas and she's happy to quarantine at home

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Speaker 9: or at Howard Springs. But you've got a lot of

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Speaker 9: people driving, and you've got a lot of people who

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Speaker 9: will travel with small pets on aeroplanes or whatever the

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Speaker 9: pets that airplanes take these days. But so we're going

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Speaker 9: to need really clear guidance and criteria.

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Speaker 2: What are the.

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Speaker 9: Rules coming into this very special time for so many people,

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Speaker 9: and it's up to It's not up to us in here,

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Speaker 9: it's up to the government to give these clear directions

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Speaker 9: and that that what's it called the National Cabinet, so

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Speaker 9: that people know if they move around the country and

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Speaker 9: come back to Northern Territory, they're not going to be

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Speaker 9: slugged in a half thousands get stuck in Howard.

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Speaker 7: Springs and you're right, like the National cabin and then

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Speaker 7: they're supposed to be a national national Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 7: he's never going to open up. And how Staga Palichet

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Speaker 7: is about the same. You know, we're sort of caught

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Speaker 7: halfway in between here.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's just.

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Speaker 2: Now one other thing I do want to ask about

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Speaker 2: very quickly. We also had a call yesterday from one

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Speaker 2: of our listeners. Janis now her husband is somebody who

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Speaker 2: has had a transplant.

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Speaker 1: He needs a third JAB.

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Speaker 2: He's been told by his doctor who is actually into state.

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Speaker 2: He's you know, the surgeon into state that he needs

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Speaker 2: to have a third jab, not a booster, but a

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Speaker 2: third jab. But int health as we understand it, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't know are they aware, Natasha, are we in

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Speaker 2: a situation here where someone can get a third JAB,

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Speaker 2: because she's called around and tried to get him that

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Speaker 2: third JAB and has not been able to book in anywhere.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Katie, happy to grab his details and try and

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Speaker 4: work through clinically and get the best clinical advice for

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Speaker 4: that family and that individual. But stepping away from that,

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Speaker 4: this is something that Greg Hunt announced last week around

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Speaker 4: the booster shots. So some people that did receive the

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Speaker 4: vaccine in the first tranch, you know, that was six

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Speaker 4: eight months ago now, and so we do know that

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Speaker 4: booster shots do help keep people safe, and so NT

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Speaker 4: what individuals should do is talk to their GP or

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Speaker 4: talk to their specialist if they are in that type

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Speaker 4: of situation. But NT help is certainly looking at how

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Speaker 4: our clinics we can provide that. We've got a team

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Speaker 4: that's based at the hospital that go around and vaccinate

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Speaker 4: anyone that can comes into the hospital and it's clinically

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Speaker 4: safe for them to do so.

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Speaker 1: But happy to work through that case off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we will do that because she has said it's

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Speaker 2: not a booster they've been told that they actually need

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Speaker 2: that specific third shot.

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Speaker 1: So we might take a very short break because there

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Speaker 1: is still so much to cover.

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Speaker 2: Off on this morning, and I do want to get

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Speaker 2: to well some of these issues that we're still seeing

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Speaker 2: around the place when it comes to youth crime. But

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Speaker 2: some of that data which was released earlier in the

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Speaker 2: week after the opposition put a number of written questions

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Speaker 2: to the Gunner government when it comes to that youth offending,

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Speaker 2: that's coming your way in just a moment on mixed

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Speaker 2: one oh four point nine three sixty. It is the

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Speaker 2: week that was. You are listening to the week that was.

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Speaker 2: It is just eighteen minutes away from ten o'clock now.

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Speaker 2: Earlier in the week, the opposition came out with some

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Speaker 2: numbers they'd put some questions to the government on notice,

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Speaker 2: some written questions in around youth offending and some of

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Speaker 2: those numbers, I think you'd say when it comes to

662
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Speaker 2: when it comes to bail, and that's certainly questions that

663
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Speaker 2: we've been speaking about for quite some time. So so, Leah,

664
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Speaker 2: you had come out and said that these latest figures

665
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Speaker 2: show a sharp increase in youth offending since the Gunna

666
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Speaker 2: government's new youth bail laws came into play in May.

667
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Speaker 2: You'd gone on to say that those written questions submitted

668
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Speaker 2: through a formal parliamentary process have uncovered that in the

669
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Speaker 2: two and a half months since Labour's new youth bales commenced,

670
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Speaker 2: one hundred youths were arrested, which is almost a third

671
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Speaker 2: of the total number of young people arrested during the

672
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty to twenty twenty one financial year. Does that

673
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Speaker 2: actually show that it does work because more people have

674
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Speaker 2: ever been arrested or No.

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Speaker 6: What it shows is of those one hundred us, sixty

676
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 6: two were already on bail at the time of their arrest,

677
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Speaker 6: and forty four of those sixty two went on to

678
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Speaker 6: get bailed again. And I just think every territory in

679
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Speaker 6: listening to that will be thinking in their head that

680
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 6: is just not good enough. We saw the government watered

681
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Speaker 6: down youth justice and bail laws when they first came

682
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Speaker 6: to power, and then not so long ago they made

683
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Speaker 6: desperate attempts to try and claw back some ground because

684
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Speaker 6: it had just led to victimization right across the territory,

685
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Speaker 6: our police having to respond and just be pushed to

686
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Speaker 6: the very limits. Now they further waded down their proposals

687
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Speaker 6: right at the eleventh hour before they passed in Parliament,

688
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Speaker 6: and what we're seeing now is just the fact that

689
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Speaker 6: that revolving door of bail is still alive and well

690
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Speaker 6: and their legislation has completely foiled to hit the mark.

691
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Speaker 2: Now, I want to make a really clear point today

692
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Speaker 2: for the people of Alice Springs. We know that it

693
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Speaker 2: is being reported in the end News that the mother

694
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Speaker 2: of a man fatally struck an alleged hit and run

695
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Speaker 2: has called for justice one year on from the tragic

696
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Speaker 2: loss of her best friend. So Raylen Powell seventy three

697
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Speaker 2: said that losing her firstborn son was a nightmare that

698
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Speaker 2: had not left her family twelve months on from that incident.

699
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Speaker 1: Now it has been one year.

700
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Speaker 2: So on October fifteen last year, disability support worker Shane

701
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Speaker 2: Powell was riding his motorbike home from work in Alice

702
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: Springs when he was hit by an allegedly stolen vehicle

703
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Speaker 2: at the intersection of Stott Terrace and Telegraph Terrasts. The

704
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: forty seven year old sustained life threatening injuries and was

705
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Speaker 2: flown to the Royal Adelaide Hospital in a critical condition. Sadly,

706
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 2: he died a week later after a difficult decision was

707
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Speaker 2: made to switch off his life support. Two nineteen year

708
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 2: old men and three youths aged thirteen and fifteen and

709
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Speaker 2: sixteen at the time were initially charged with that hit

710
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Speaker 2: and run, causing serious harm and failing to rescue or

711
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Speaker 2: provide help. The fifteen year old boy was also with

712
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Speaker 2: entering an intersection against a red light. Some charges have

713
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Speaker 2: been upgraded, with the matter expected to be heard in

714
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Speaker 2: the Northern Territory Supreme Court next month. I do think

715
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Speaker 2: that it's really important that you know that we that

716
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Speaker 2: we acknowledge and certainly you know, I really think of

717
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Speaker 2: this family at this point in time.

718
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Speaker 1: It is absolutely tragic.

719
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Speaker 2: I spoke to Sandy down there in at Ah this morning.

720
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Speaker 2: He said that it's a pretty solemn day for the

721
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Speaker 2: people of Alice Springs today remembering that one year on

722
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Speaker 2: and it is you know, it is a real tragedy

723
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Speaker 2: that something like this has happened. Even earlier in the week,

724
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Speaker 2: if you were listening to the show, you would have

725
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Speaker 2: heard that there was another situation just this week where

726
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: police alleged that they apprehended and this an ex trail

727
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Speaker 2: with an eleven year old behind the wheel and several

728
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Speaker 2: adult passengers in the early hours.

729
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Speaker 1: Of Wednesday morning. Eleven years old.

730
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Speaker 2: You know, like I don't know how many times we've

731
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Speaker 2: spoken on this show about really young people being involved

732
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Speaker 2: in really really.

733
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Speaker 1: Dangerous like that is. It's unbelievable.

734
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Speaker 9: It's young people being involved in very serious crime.

735
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Speaker 1: And I know we've talked about.

736
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Speaker 9: This ad nausea in the show and elsewhere, but it's

737
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 9: not it's not getting better, I don't believe, and it's

738
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Speaker 9: not going away. And only I think was earlier this

739
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Speaker 9: week the I g a supermarket at the cons got

740
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Speaker 9: broken into again four times time, and I went to

741
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Speaker 9: seek Shelley again just to give her a hug. But

742
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 9: and that that same night there was obviously other places

743
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 9: broken in. There was anywhere else, And I said, I

744
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 9: said to Shelley at the time, I said, there is

745
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Speaker 9: a pattern here.

746
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Speaker 1: There's a circuit that these young people are doing. They

747
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Speaker 1: know that, they.

748
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Speaker 9: Know the places that are a little bit off the

749
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Speaker 9: beaten track. They know they've got bottle shops attack because

750
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Speaker 9: let's be honest, they're not going in for it for

751
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 9: a letter or a punch of tomatoes. They're going in

752
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 9: for booze and Siggi's.

753
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Speaker 1: If there's Siggi's.

754
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Speaker 9: Available, and there's no there's no repercussions, and rely just

755
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 9: pointed out, the majority of these people committing these offenses

756
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 9: are out on bail. Bailey is like, baile is something

757
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Speaker 9: that shouldn't be exploited, which they exploriting. Bailey's you've made it,

758
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 9: you've done something serious. Will let you out because you

759
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 9: will behave yourself before you come before the courts, and

760
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 9: will determine if your first offense was really an offense,

761
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Speaker 9: et cetera.

762
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Speaker 1: Et cetera.

763
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Speaker 9: So I don't know what's failing in this system, but

764
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Speaker 9: I think government really needs to acknowledge that there is

765
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Speaker 9: a problem hiding behind all this stuff. We've got diversion

766
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Speaker 9: programs that we've got this and we've got that. That

767
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 9: doesn't cut it with me, and it doesn't cut it

768
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Speaker 9: with people in the rule Are because I never get

769
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Speaker 9: any data. I never found out what happened to those

770
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 9: punks that shot that horse at Fanny Bay.

771
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Speaker 1: You know, Oh, they're on diversion.

772
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Speaker 8: You know.

773
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: The police can do this, Police can do that. Nothing

774
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 1: to do with the police.

775
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Speaker 9: They work by the rules they're given, they work with

776
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Speaker 9: the legislation they're given. And in my view and the

777
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 9: views of a lot of people out in the rule

778
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 9: Are and elsewhere, the rules and the legislation is not

779
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 9: tough enough. Because if I don't have an issue with

780
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 9: the kid learning to drive at eleven years old, I

781
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 9: looked to drive when I was about eight or nine.

782
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Speaker 1: But that's not the issue.

783
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 9: Issue is he's in a car that's not his car exactly.

784
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: He's putting himself at risk and the people in a

785
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: stolen car in the community, and.

786
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Speaker 9: He's putting people like a car could crash into a house.

787
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 9: It's happened before in our world. It could crash into

788
00:34:58,560 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 9: a house and take out some kids in a bed.

789
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 9: You know, this is just not good enough and the

790
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 9: government needs to seriously address it and admit that what

791
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 9: they've got at this point of time in the legislation

792
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 9: is failing.

793
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Speaker 4: So, Katie, we've invested significantly in this space. We know

794
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 4: that young people that do participate in diversion are more

795
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 4: likely to succeed and get them on the right path

796
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 4: and to stop that cycle of crime. We have seen

797
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,479
Speaker 4: since the youth bail laws were amended that we've seen

798
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 4: the numbers being repeatd repeatedly arrested has dropped. And we

799
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 4: will review this legislation in a period of time. But

800
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 4: this is complex work is It is not easy. That

801
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 4: doesn't make the issues that we've just been talked about

802
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 4: acceptable by any means Like that is, you know, like

803
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 4: an eleven year old should be at home in bed

804
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 4: and they should be worn out from going to school

805
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 4: and participating in sport. But these are complex issues, and

806
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 4: I can absolutely assure the community that we're investing in

807
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 4: a number of areas so that we've got the resources

808
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 4: to try and drive that change and succeed.

809
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 3: But in the mean time, people continue to suffer.

810
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 6: This points to failure in olcohol policy, It points to

811
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 6: failure in child protection, It points to failure.

812
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 3: In youth justice.

813
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 6: And the people who bear the brunt of all of that,

814
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 6: other Territorians out there who are now having to barricade

815
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 6: themselves into their homes and into their businesses because the

816
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 6: government doesn't want to deal with this issue properly.

817
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 4: I find that really offensive. This is grinding, hard work.

818
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 4: It's easy to sit in here and throw comments around

819
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 4: about a failure in our cool policy of failure here

820
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 4: and I won't go into the space of being critical

821
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 4: of what the CPDD because everybody knows that was a

822
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 4: complete fa.

823
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Speaker 6: Everyone knows that in twenty one years labour has been

824
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 6: for seventeen of the last twenty one years, Natasha, Seventeen

825
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 6: of the last twenty one years have been labor. And

826
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 6: when the Seale, the Gunner government and you know it,

827
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 6: people being victimized at rates that are just horrific. Your

828
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 6: solution is to give people money to barricade themselves into

829
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 6: their business and into their home instead of deal with

830
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 6: the criminals left on the street repeatedly, So.

831
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Speaker 4: Katie, it's a When the cop came in twenty twelve,

832
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 4: one of a huge areas they cut was this space

833
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 4: of child protection and youth justice because it's easy to cut.

834
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: You don't believe in.

835
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: Everybody listening this morning, they probably don't actually care that

836
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 2: much what happened in twenty twelve. What they're worried about

837
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 2: is this week that they've been broken into or you know,

838
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 2: one year on for this poor mum who's lost her son.

839
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 2: But what I think we're going to do that in

840
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: the back of our minds making it a political thing,

841
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: Let's make it a help the community thing.

842
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 4: Absolutely, but people have to understand it's grinding, hard work.

843
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 4: It takes investment over many years, investment in different areas, investment, education,

844
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 4: investment in youth justice, investment in child protection, and we

845
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 4: are starting to see those child protection figures go down

846
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 4: and that's when you have that correlation into youth justice.

847
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 4: So it is a complex story to tell in just

848
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 4: a few minutes. It's not possible.

849
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 2: We are going to take a very short break. You

850
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 2: are listening to Mix one oh four point nine. It

851
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 2: is the week that was on. Well that number if

852
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: you want to call through eight nine four one one

853
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: oh four nine, Well, we are fast running out of time.

854
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: But before we wrap up for the morning, we know

855
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 2: that's the health system. It's something that we've been talking

856
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: about at length on the show, and modeling for the

857
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 2: Australian Medical Association warns that demand pressures on hospitals is

858
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 2: going to worsen over the course of the decade and

859
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 2: by twenty thirty hospitals will be unable to accommodate one

860
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: point four million admissions as states ration treatment to prevent

861
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: rising health costs blowing their budgets. Now, this is obviously

862
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: a national story, but it says that what it means

863
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: is that hundreds of thousands of operations, including cancer surgery,

864
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 2: may be suspended or canceled in coming years unless current

865
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: funding formulas that are falling, sorry, that are failing to

866
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 2: keep up with the rising demand caused by COVID nineteen,

867
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 2: the aging population and chronic diseases are overhauled. Now that's

868
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 2: obviously nationally, then you look at an already ailing system

869
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 2: here in the Northern Territory and you'd have to be

870
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 2: wondering if it's going to be worse for us.

871
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 4: So, Katie, funding of our hospital system and our health

872
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 4: system is incredibly complex. It's a huge part of the

873
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 4: Northern Territory government budget. It's the largest single component, over

874
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 4: two billion dollars. We work closely with the Commonwealth and

875
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 4: we will continue to do so to make sure that

876
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 4: we see the investment and not into only into our

877
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 4: acute hospital system, but also making sure that we have

878
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 4: that primary health care to stop people from getting chronically

879
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 4: ill in the first place.

880
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Speaker 6: It's really distressing that our health system is in such

881
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Speaker 6: a profound crisis. I mean, we've had four code yellows

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Speaker 6: this year, two three very close together, and we haven't

883
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Speaker 6: had the impact of COVID in our community. And yet

884
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 6: we're ready to open up and do all of these things,

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Speaker 6: and our health system can't even sustain the territory and

886
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Speaker 6: what we are now, Like we've had massive cancelations and

887
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Speaker 6: elective surgeries. I know someone who's had their elective surgery

888
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Speaker 6: canceled three times.

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Speaker 3: And we asked this in Parliament.

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Speaker 6: We spent two days in Parliament a couple of weeks

891
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Speaker 6: ago asking VOLUMEUS questions around health to get zero answers.

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Speaker 6: But I need people need to understand elective surgery is

893
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Speaker 6: not cosmetic or not voluntary necessarily. You know, these are

894
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Speaker 6: really profound things. They could be for hysterectomies, it could

895
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Speaker 6: be for knee surgeries, it could be for really serious

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Speaker 6: staff and they're just being blanket canceled because we can't

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Speaker 6: cope and and that's not good enough.

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Speaker 2: Well, and that doesn't even sort of take into account obviously,

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Speaker 2: you know the fact that our emergency wards are busting

900
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Speaker 2: at the seams, and the fact that the Palmeston Hospital

901
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Speaker 2: is an operating at capacity.

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Speaker 3: Or scaling.

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Speaker 6: You know, scaling back the idiot Parmestan hospital. That's such

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Speaker 6: an important facility.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, I mean, we suffer some very strange injuries out

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Speaker 9: there in the.

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Speaker 5: Room to.

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Speaker 10: Chainsaws and barbed wire and fishing boats, fishing ride, but

909
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Speaker 10: it concerns me that our hospitals are at capacity, if

910
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Speaker 10: not overflowing, because when we have a serious issue, I

911
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Speaker 10: don't know sadly, whether it be a car accident or

912
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Speaker 10: a multiple fatality, for whatever reason.

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Speaker 9: That you know there's going to be maybe they're not

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Speaker 9: going to be in a position where they get the

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Speaker 9: best count attention because the staff at the hospitals are

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Speaker 9: so flat out and perhaps over worked overtide. So I

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Speaker 9: don't know what the answer is, but I just believe

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Speaker 9: that the government needs to address this health issue as

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Speaker 9: a number one priority along with Crimeely.

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Speaker 6: We've got ramping of ambulances at emergency at Royal Dalen Hospital,

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Speaker 6: I mean shocking, shocking.

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Speaker 2: Well, we are going to have to wrap up for

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Speaker 2: this morning. Lea Fanocchiaro, the opposition leader, thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for your time today.

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Speaker 6: Thanks for having me come and catch me down at

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Speaker 6: Palmo Markets tonight.

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Speaker 3: They're nearly all over into the month, so getting while.

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Speaker 2: You can sounds good. Matt Cunningham from Sky News, thank

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Speaker 2: you for your time this morning. Thanks Keezier Puric, thank

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Speaker 2: you for your time this morning, my.

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Speaker 1: Pleasure, and also cut A Liner Markets.

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Speaker 2: They are all the Health Minister has just ducked out,

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Speaker 2: but a big thanks to her as well for joining

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Speaker 2: us this morning.

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Speaker 1: That was the week that was a mixed MOEOW four

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Speaker 1: point nine