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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, The Chinese

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Speaker 1: New Year Debate, blowing up on TikTok, Cat Clark's Drink's

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Speaker 1: Fridge divides opinions, Lucy Jackson's petition to get Tammy Henbro

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Speaker 1: on her podcast, and Sarah's Day's holiday home gets the

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Speaker 1: green light.

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Speaker 2: But first, a TikToker called.

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Speaker 1: Chloe Ray has pointed out that Ossie influences all speak

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Speaker 1: with the same accent and now I can't unhear it.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to what she.

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Speaker 3: Said, the stopping after every word.

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Speaker 4: So now that I have all of the like that,

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Speaker 4: it really irks me and I feel like I do

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Speaker 4: it sometimes because I'm so used to seeing other people

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Speaker 4: do it online and we just adopt it. So I

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Speaker 4: was going to the shots the other.

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Speaker 2: Day, is it not bang on?

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Speaker 1: It's literally like influencers aching for words whilst they're speaking

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Speaker 1: out loud, and it's because they're so unsure of what

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Speaker 1: they're about to say next. I mean, I feel for

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Speaker 1: them whenever we have to record any sort of content

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Speaker 1: for our Instagram story, you do find yourself automatically doing it.

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Speaker 1: I think it's more of a case of you just

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Speaker 1: copy what you see online, and when everyone's doing it,

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Speaker 1: you kind of think, oh, that's a persona that I

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Speaker 1: have to put on when I'm talking on my Instagram

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Speaker 1: story or TikTok.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I've watched some old videos from Ozsie influencers from about

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Speaker 1: seven years ago, and this was at the peak of

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Speaker 1: Sarah's Day's fame, and I noticed that they all try

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Speaker 1: and emulate the way that she spoke back then, but

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Speaker 1: now they've completely changed and a speaking in their own

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Speaker 1: tone of voice. I think it's also because influencers log

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Speaker 1: their lives and they're basically giving you this rundown of

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Speaker 1: their daily errand so it almost becomes this list that

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Speaker 1: they're reading out to us. I've been watching a lot

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Speaker 1: of US TikTokers and I've noticed that they ask for

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Speaker 1: things differently than Australians do. Like if I went to

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Speaker 1: a cafe, A'd be like, oh, can I please get

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Speaker 1: a this, and they'll go, I'll do a caramel frappuccino.

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Speaker 1: And it's like if someone said to me if I

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Speaker 1: was working at a cafe and they're like, I'll do

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Speaker 1: I'd be like, that's really rude, but I know that

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Speaker 1: they're obviously not trying to be do you know what?

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Speaker 1: I also think with the Ozzie influencers, it's because they

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Speaker 1: now second guess every single thing that they say because

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Speaker 1: they're worried about getting canceled. So it's almost like they're

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Speaker 1: trying to think one step ahead.

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Speaker 2: That's why it's so slow. That is so true. The

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Speaker 2: comment section was pretty hilarious under this video.

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Speaker 1: So one user wrote I'm dot dot dot obsessed in

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Speaker 1: every sentence, which got over five hundred likes, whilst another

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Speaker 1: said there stretching out of the word literally and the

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Speaker 1: product tapping with a screaming face emoji. Sofa Dofa even

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Speaker 1: weighed in writing guys, do I do this with crying faces?

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Speaker 2: And added I fear I do, And the TikToker Chloe,

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Speaker 2: who created this video said yes, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: I love you regardless, Queen.

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Speaker 2: It's because we're trying to think ahead and say the

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Speaker 2: right thing.

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Speaker 6: I have seen so many influencers this Chinese New Year

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Speaker 6: talk about celebrating Chinese New Year, and they are coming

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Speaker 6: off so fucking tone deaf.

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Speaker 1: Two prominent Australian influencers have been accused of trying to

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Speaker 1: exploit Chinese culture for their own benefit. M Davies and

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Speaker 1: Jackie Alexander were labeled tone deaf by Asian content creators

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Speaker 1: after sharing Chinese New Year themed content. Okay, this content

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Speaker 1: sparked a big cultural conversation online. Before we get into

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Speaker 1: em and Jackie's post, can you explain what is extra

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Speaker 1: special about Chinese New Year this year? Well, it's always

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Speaker 1: been one of the biggest cultural holidays globally, but the

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Speaker 1: reason it has blown up on TikTok is because this

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Speaker 1: zodiac year is a rare one. So this year it's

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Speaker 1: the year of the Horse. But it's not just any

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Speaker 1: horse year. It is a fire horse year, which only

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Speaker 1: happens every sixty years. So the reason why non Asian

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Speaker 1: influencers are latching onto Chinese New Year this year is

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Speaker 1: because the fire horse year makes it a lot more

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Speaker 1: special and more marketable. The fire horse also plays really

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Speaker 1: well into TikTok trends because the energy it is traditionally

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Speaker 1: described as having is fast moving, transformational, and chain driven,

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Speaker 1: and when you think about it, these attributes perfectly align

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Speaker 3: So like locking era, reinvention era glow.

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Speaker 1: Up, the themes also overlap with manifestation and astrology content

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Speaker 1: have been using the Year of a Horse as this

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Speaker 1: personal branding narrative rather than a cultural one. This year,

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Speaker 1: Chinese New Year fell on the seventeenth of February, and

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Speaker 1: leading into it, TikTok started circulating of white influencers talking

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Speaker 1: about the celebration. So some spoke about the Year of

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Speaker 1: the Horse, while others said that they were in their

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Speaker 1: Chinese era. Other white influencers were even advising people about

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Speaker 1: what rituals they should be following before the New year started. Now,

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Speaker 1: M Davies and Jackie Alexander were the most well known

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Speaker 1: influencers to jump on the trend, but there were definitely

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Speaker 1: others doing it as well. It wasn't just these two women.

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Speaker 1: So in terms of M's now deleted video for tips

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Speaker 1: on what to do before the Year of the Horse,

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Speaker 1: so she described the traditions as woo woo, crazy girl behavior.

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Speaker 1: She also captured the video reminder, as long as you

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Speaker 1: are alive, you can begin again and again and again now.

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Speaker 1: As for Jackie Alexander, she posted a video where she

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Speaker 1: minded to a trending sound saying I always get what

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Speaker 1: I want, with the caption pov you listen to the

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Speaker 1: girls who told you to wash your hair before the

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Speaker 1: lunar New Year. So twenty twenty six will be a

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Speaker 1: year of wealth and prosperity. Now, the backlash was swift.

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Speaker 1: The first person I saw post about it on TikTok

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Speaker 1: sof Enngu.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: She posted a video urging white influences to stop adopting

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to what she said.

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Speaker 5: I keep opening my app and getting really triggered by

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Speaker 5: all these white influences being like it's the year of

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Speaker 5: the horse to worry a. I'm like, guys, you grew

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Speaker 5: up white. You've never culturally celebrated this Like this doesn't apply.

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Speaker 5: You can't just like adopt this culture and it's yours.

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Speaker 7: Like stop.

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Speaker 1: Despite only having a thousand followers, so video clearly resonated

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Speaker 3: Creators shared their thoughts.

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Speaker 1: Jordan Tan, who has almost fifty thousand TikTok.

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Speaker 1: Accusing influences of trying to turn her culture into a trend.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 1: This video went absolutely viral and at the time of

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Speaker 1: the video, Jordan really generously shared about what it was

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Speaker 1: like growing up mixed race in a coastal town in

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Speaker 1: Australia where most people were why. Interestingly, she said that

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Speaker 1: two of the influencers who have been called out for

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Speaker 3: Now, she said that she's.

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Speaker 1: Done a lot of work to embrace her culture since

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Speaker 1: then and to unpack so much of her internalized racism,

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Speaker 1: which is why it really frustrates her when she sees

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Speaker 1: non Asian creators trying to make her culture into a trend.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to some more of what Jordan said.

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Speaker 6: To see non Asian people jump on this trend that

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Speaker 6: is not a fucking trend. It's like people's life like this.

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Speaker 6: It's our culture and it's our identity just because it

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Speaker 6: I am genuinely just so gobsmacked and I'm piece off.

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Speaker 6: I'm so pissed off because it's like, you are the

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Speaker 6: same kind of people that make us feel bad for

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Speaker 6: being Asian. You are the same kind of person who

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Speaker 6: things that I wear, or the fact that I looked

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Speaker 6: different and I was like an easy target for you

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Speaker 1: Another content creator called Grace shared similar sentiments and called

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Speaker 1: out influences for treating Chinese New Year like a trendy aesthetic.

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Speaker 8: She then said this, don't get me wrong, I do

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Speaker 8: love seeing people celebrate, learn and take part in Chinese

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Speaker 8: Year and our culture. But I just want people to

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Speaker 3: And I really don't want it.

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Speaker 8: To be just a It's not just like a once

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Speaker 8: a year moment, and my culture is not just some

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Speaker 1: Now, while Grace didn't name any influencers, m Davies responded

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Speaker 1: underneath the video, writing this was so incredibly insightful. I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry if my video upset you. I removed it immediately

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Speaker 1: as I never intended to upset anyone. It was interesting

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Speaker 1: because within that comment section, several people started calling out

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Speaker 1: Jackie Alexander for her video. So they claim that they

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Speaker 1: deleting their comments. Now. Jackie Alexander responded in the comments, writing,

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Speaker 1: My intention was to celebrate and take part in a

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Speaker 1: lighthearted way. I'm reading all the feedback, learning from this

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Speaker 3: Thanks Now.

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Speaker 1: A content creator called Raquel wasn't happy with Jackie's response

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Speaker 1: and shared a video dissecting her apology line by line,

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Speaker 1: so she accused Jackie of hiding and deleting comments from

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Speaker 1: Asian creators and the community.

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Speaker 3: She then said this, why is.

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Speaker 7: It at the moment that other creators challenge your perspective,

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Speaker 7: who then choose to silence us and speak over others.

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Speaker 7: Learning and doing better isn't just saying sorry. It usually

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Speaker 7: involves more than a short apology under a comment section.

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Speaker 7: Learning and doing better is acknowledging harm openly and taking

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Speaker 7: responsibility on your own public platform. Real accountability means recognizing

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Speaker 7: the privilege you hold as a white creator, as well

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Speaker 7: as speaking out and supporting other communities that are right

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Speaker 7: now currently being put down.

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Speaker 1: I found this really interesting timing because it comes off

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Speaker 1: the back of another popular trend, which was sweeping TikTok,

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Speaker 1: which was that you met me at a very Chinese

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Speaker 1: time in my life. And this is where a lot

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Speaker 1: of non Asian creators were really embracing Asian culture. They

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Speaker 1: were sharing different things that they were now doing, and

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Speaker 1: this divided Asian content creators because some were saying, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I really like that other people are taking on our culture,

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Speaker 1: and others said, well, actually this annoys me because this

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Speaker 1: is something I've been paid out for, or this is

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Speaker 1: something that hasn't been culturally accepted previously. Yeah, there were

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Speaker 1: a lot of Asian creators who saw this as a

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Speaker 1: burning question for Tammy and I would ask fuck Mary kill,

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Speaker 1: This is iconic. I mean, where do we sign up?

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Speaker 1: Tammy and Lucy's relationship is interesting because it was at

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Speaker 1: Paul selfie on his Instagram story and a lot of

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Speaker 1: people noticed that he scribbled out the tattoo on his hip,

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Speaker 1: says Tammy, and it does come after Tammy revealed in

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Speaker 1: a video that she was having Mattzakowski's name and their

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Speaker 1: wedding date lasered off her body, and that was part

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Speaker 1: of a paid partnership deal that Tammy did for a

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Speaker 1: numbing cream called numbt. Ironically, Matt previously promoted that brand

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Speaker 1: ahead of their wedding when he was getting his ex's

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Speaker 1: name removed off his ass. My guess is he subtly

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Speaker 1: covered the tattoo because he didn't want people to read

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Speaker 1: into the fact that he hasn't had it removed yet

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Speaker 1: when Tammy's made it so clear that she's got hers removed.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if it also had something to do with

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Speaker 1: the fact that it looked like he was whining and

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Speaker 1: dieting someone over in Bali. I don't know if he

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Speaker 1: actually took someone away on holiday or if he just

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Speaker 1: had a holiday romance, but maybe he knew that that

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Speaker 1: person was going to be looking at his content and

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Speaker 1: didn't want her seeing the tattoo, touching on the apparent

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Speaker 1: romance that he's having in Bali. On Influencer Updates Au,

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Speaker 1: she shared a post saying that people were out at

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Speaker 1: a cafe or restaurant and basically he, Matt and this

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Speaker 1: girl were there and the weight stuff brought out a

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Speaker 1: cake that said congratulations, but they're not sure what the

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Speaker 1: congratulations was about. After a seventeen month wait, the plans

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Speaker 1: for Sarah's Days Spanish inspired holiday home have finally been approved.

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Speaker 1: It has been a long time coming for the fitness

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Speaker 1: influencer and her videographer husband Kurt Tills, who purchased the

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Speaker 1: property over three years ago.

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Speaker 2: Let's have a listen to what Sarah said.

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Speaker 9: I've been waiting for this day for three years, and honestly,

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Speaker 9: there was points that I thought it would never come.

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Speaker 3: And never happen. But we've finally got DA.

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Speaker 9: Approval for our Spanish inspired house that we're building up

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Speaker 9: the coast.

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Speaker 5: It's our holiday house.

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Speaker 3: We've been in the works.

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Speaker 9: For three years, so I think we purchased the property

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Speaker 9: three years ago. We've been designing and we lodged the

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Speaker 9: DA seventeen months ago and it finally got approved. So

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Speaker 9: today's our first big meeting with everyone.

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Speaker 3: Amy.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure when we did our influencer predictions for

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six that we said that Sarah's day wouldn't

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Speaker 1: get approval and she might have to change up her design.

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Speaker 3: So eggs really on our face at the moment.

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Speaker 1: We've got most of your predictions right this year, so

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Speaker 1: you're bound to get something wrong. It's interesting because she

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Speaker 1: has been working with a team of experts to bring

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Speaker 1: the plans to life. She has a high end architectural

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Speaker 1: firm on board. She also has Tea White Buildings and Construction,

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Speaker 1: as well as her good friend and bridesmaid Maddie, who

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Speaker 1: works for an interior design company who also worked on

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Speaker 1: her house, so she helped her design her current Cronulla home.

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Speaker 1: She seems to be getting a lot of work out

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Speaker 1: of it, doesn't.

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Speaker 2: She Yeah, she's keeping her very busy.

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Speaker 1: One follower ended up asking the question that's been on

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Speaker 1: everyone's lips, which is why has it taken such a

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Speaker 1: long time for the project to start? So Sarah replied

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Speaker 1: slamming the DA process, saying it was an absolute joke,

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Speaker 1: and she revealed that they had to actually escalate it

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Speaker 1: as the planning authority was just not getting back to them.

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Speaker 1: She finished up by saying that they waited years for

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Speaker 1: an answer. Now, as you guys touched on a couple

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Speaker 1: of months ago, Sarah has launched a home account for

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Speaker 1: her holiday house. And of course the account has a

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Speaker 1: fancy name. Let's take a listen to the reasoning behind them.

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Speaker 9: The name of our house is Soroco. It's a wind

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Speaker 9: that comes from the Sahara and sweeps across the Mediterranean.

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Speaker 1: Now, one Italian follower pointed out to Sarah that she

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Speaker 1: got the word slightly wrong, saying that the Italian name

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Speaker 1: for wind isn't spelt the way that she's spelled to

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Speaker 1: all pronounced like that. Instead of saying, hey, we got

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Speaker 1: it wrong, thanks for your help, Sarah replied saying that

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Speaker 1: is the name of the house with a wink. The

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Speaker 1: follower ended up replying, I understand, but saying that you

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Speaker 1: name the house after the wind is incorrect because the

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Speaker 1: name of the wind is another one.

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Speaker 3: No hate here.

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Speaker 1: I understand it can be frustrating when someone corrects you,

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Speaker 1: but Sarah has a real history of just biting back

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Speaker 1: at followers who are simply pointing out the accurate pronunciation

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Speaker 1: of something. Despite that negative comment, the majority of Sarah's

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Speaker 1: followers seemed really ecstatic for her and we're keen to

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Speaker 1: follow the process. One said, can't wait for the inspo.

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Speaker 1: Me and my mum are renovating our kitchen into the style,

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Speaker 1: whilst another joke hoping when the house is finished, you'll

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Speaker 1: never have to do a caravan park again, with a

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Speaker 1: laughing face.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 1: Adelaide influencer Ellen mcgraith, known by her followers as Smiley Citrus,

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Speaker 1: gave birth to her baby boy, Charlie James McGrath. So

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Speaker 1: how refreshing is it to hear an influencer give their

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Speaker 1: baby a traditional name. It's so rare, but it is

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Speaker 1: so appreciated that Charlie is such a cute name. I

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Speaker 1: have to admit I am a bit of a Smiley

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Speaker 1: Citrus stand. She became my comfort watch when I gave

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Speaker 1: birth to Luca, because when I would do my overnight feeds,

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Speaker 1: I would put her YouTube videos on. And it was

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Speaker 1: right before she announced that she was pregnant, and as

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Speaker 1: soon as she said I'm having a baby, I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, I can't wait for all of the content.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to find it so relatable.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's been extra special seeing her document

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Speaker 1: her pregnancy journey because around two years ago she opened

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Speaker 1: up about experiencing pregnancy loss and she bravely spoke about

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Speaker 1: how the experience affected her, saying that there were no

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Speaker 1: words to explain the pain and heartbreak of the loss.

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Speaker 1: So it's been really lovely to see this pregnancy has

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Speaker 1: been a healing journey for her and that her son.

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Speaker 3: Is finally here.

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Speaker 1: Well. Her followers have been on baby watch for the

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Speaker 1: last couple of weeks because at the forty week mark,

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Speaker 1: Ella began vlogging every day until she went into labor.

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Speaker 2: I've never seen an influence to do this before.

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Speaker 1: I loved her because she was basically showing how she

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Speaker 1: and her lawyer husband Nick were soaking up the last

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Speaker 1: of their dink days and they were going to a

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Speaker 1: lot of cafes and nice places in Adelaide.

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Speaker 3: And I thought it.

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Speaker 1: Was quite brave of her to do this because as

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Speaker 1: soon as she stopped posting, surely she knew that her

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Speaker 1: followers were going to be like, Oh my god, the

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Speaker 1: baby must be here, what's happening. I mean, it's a

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Speaker 1: good way to create engagement. Well, it hit the four

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Speaker 1: day mark and I must have been I went into

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Speaker 1: the comment section and a lot of other people were

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Speaker 1: posting like, oh, like, can we have an update? I

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Speaker 1: hope everything's okay, sending you all big love. I think

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Speaker 1: her last post was on the seventeenth of February, and

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Speaker 1: it was this pregnancy sort of bump update where she

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Speaker 1: was miming to a trending sound and she wrote ready

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Speaker 1: when you are, baby boy, And she had actually dropped

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Speaker 1: that she was open to having anction and she had

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Speaker 1: one locked in if she went past, you know, any

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Speaker 1: longer than forty one weeks, And before that she had

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Speaker 1: spoken about wanting a really natural birth. So I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people were like, oh my god, she

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Speaker 1: must be in labor for a couple of days. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Because it wasn't until Saturday that Ella announced the good

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Speaker 1: news on Instagram. She wrote, we did it. Charlie James

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Speaker 1: McGrath born seventeenth of February in true cheeky Charlie boy fashion,

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Speaker 1: with an emergency C section and a few days being

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Speaker 1: looked after in the NICU. We couldn't be more in

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Speaker 1: love and thankful for our little bean. She included a

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Speaker 1: photo of herself being wheeled out after the sea section,

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Speaker 1: and again like, this is just developing the parasocial relationship

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Speaker 1: I have with her. I was like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I feel so sorry for her because I have a

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Speaker 1: feeling that she gave birth in the same hospital as

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Speaker 1: we did, and it was almost just too raw to

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Speaker 1: see it. I really felt for her because I think

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Speaker 1: it'd be so tough if you had gone in really

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Speaker 1: hoping for this very natural birth that was your expectation,

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Speaker 1: and then suddenly having to have an emergency sea section

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Speaker 1: and not being mentally prepared for that. She said in

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Speaker 1: one of her recent vlogs that she was just happy

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Speaker 1: for whichever was the safest way for her baby to

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Speaker 1: come into the world, which I think is a really

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Speaker 1: good way to look at it. I also got a

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Speaker 1: bit of PTSD after reading that they were in the

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Speaker 1: neonatal ward because that is also where my son spent

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Speaker 1: a couple of hours and it is the scariest place

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Speaker 1: I think you can find yourself. And yeah, just seeing

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Speaker 1: the background or just it brought back a lot of

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Speaker 1: memories for me, So I hope that they are all

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Speaker 1: doing okay. Well. I saw that they were already out

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Speaker 1: at a cafe and also at a shopping center, so

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Speaker 1: they must be feeling pretty confident. They're obviously doing a

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Speaker 1: great job if they're already out and about. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: has been nice to see now the Blue Tick Brigade

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Speaker 1: was out in force. In the comment section, Sophie Jane

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Speaker 1: Miller wrote, Charlie James, what an angel. Congratulations you two,

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Speaker 1: whilst Georgia Richards wrote he's here. I'm absolutely hanging out

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Speaker 1: for a birth log. I really hope that that comes

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Speaker 1: out soon, but understandably it'll probably be a couple of pointings.

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Speaker 1: On that note, I think that is all we have

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Speaker 1: time for today. Thank you so much for joining us

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Speaker 1: for this episode.

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Speaker 3: If you have enjoyed it, could you please make.

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Speaker 1: Sure you are subscribed on Apple podcast and also Spotify.

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Speaker 1: This episode was recorded on the traditional land of the

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Speaker 1: Ghana people of the Adelaide Plains.

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Speaker 2: We pay respect to elders past and present,