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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast.

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Speaker 2: It's the podcast for the time poor parent who just

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Speaker 2: wants answers now.

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Speaker 1: Well missus Happy Families. Every Friday, we do a review

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Speaker 1: of the week that was. We talked about what worked

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Speaker 1: and what didn't. It's called I'll do Better Tomorrow. And

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Speaker 1: this is a really hard one for me to do

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Speaker 1: today because I have been home a little bit more

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Speaker 1: than normal and while most of the week has gone really, really,

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Speaker 1: really well, and I've loved being with our kids. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I was thinking the other day, it's such a privilege.

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Speaker 1: Somebody said to me, oh, six kids.

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Speaker 3: I was at an event.

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Speaker 1: Someone said six daughters. Your poor thing, and I just

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Speaker 1: was like, no, you don't understand. I'm not a poor thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm so grateful. It's such a privilege to have them. However,

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Speaker 1: in spite of the fact that it's been a good week,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to.

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Speaker 3: Start because Kylie, I blew it. I blew it.

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Speaker 1: And while there's been good stuff to talk about, I

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Speaker 1: just want to highlight it because sometimes people need to

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Speaker 1: know that the Fenning expert gets it wrong just sometimes.

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Speaker 2: Well, after last week's revelation that you were the world's

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Speaker 2: number one father in law, ye fair that you would

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Speaker 2: counter that with challenge.

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Speaker 3: Gee, and I really blew it.

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Speaker 2: Make the rest of us feel good.

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Speaker 1: So on Sunday night, we're going back to the start

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Speaker 1: of the week. On Sunday night, we had a catch

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Speaker 1: up with some of your family. We had your sister

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Speaker 1: and husband and their kids come over, the oldest one

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Speaker 1: with his girlfriend. Like there was what was there fifteen

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Speaker 1: people in the house or something like that. There was

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Speaker 1: a lot of people there. We had Chanelle and Jared

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Speaker 1: and their baby girl along.

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Speaker 2: And you know the best thing about dinner the.

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Speaker 1: Other night, there was fifteen people in the house.

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Speaker 2: Well, we ate it on the floor.

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Speaker 3: We don't have dining table at the moment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got into the dining table and the new

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Speaker 1: one hasn't arrived.

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Speaker 3: I'm not calling that a win. I didn't like that

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Speaker 2: I just thought it was really novel.

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Speaker 1: My knees and my back were like, what are you doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm sounding old. I'll stop it. So Emily for Homeschool

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Speaker 1: had a school assignment and you decided that on Sunday

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Speaker 1: night it was going to be the opportunity to do it.

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Speaker 1: We were celebrating some birthdays. We're having a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: I got involved and did all of that, but right

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Speaker 1: at the very end of the night, you said, I

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Speaker 1: just need everyone to help Emily with this school assignment.

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Speaker 1: And it was a warm fuzzies activity. Each person had

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Speaker 1: to write their name on a piece of paper and

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Speaker 1: a four sheet of paper, and then everybody in the

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Speaker 2: It was a little bit more specific at the moment

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Speaker 2: in how she's learning about relationships and what makes good relationships,

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Speaker 2: and so this was an opportunity for each of us

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Speaker 2: to recognize what makes a good friend or what makes

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Speaker 2: a good person in a positive relationship.

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Speaker 1: Right, So we're writing down things we like about the

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Speaker 1: other people, and everyone's piece of paper ends up in

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Speaker 1: nice about everybody else. That makes sense, right, So you

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Speaker 1: called out to me to participate because I just started

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Speaker 1: And I wanted to It's a really nice thing to do.

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Speaker 1: I saw the value in it. I wasn't trying to absconde.

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Speaker 1: care of a few things in the kitchen. First, you

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Speaker 1: were extremely efficient. I was less efficient. The dishes took

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Speaker 1: really missed I think I missed two things. First of all,

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Speaker 1: And I was watching and sitting on the couch reading

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Speaker 1: I missed out on here, this is all about me.

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Speaker 3: I didn't get to sit there and.

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Speaker 2: Go oh, they all love you may have towards the end,

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Speaker 2: when you realized we were all but done, said can

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna do everyone.

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Speaker 1: I was a bit too late. But then later on

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Speaker 1: I found you doing the same with your piece of paper,

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Speaker 1: and it was just this revelation to me, because these

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Speaker 1: on them were genuinely meaningful to everyone who now had one,

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Speaker 1: and I didn't have one. But the second thing, which

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Speaker 1: is even more important, I think, is that I missed

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Speaker 1: who I love more than anyone else in the world.

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Speaker 1: I chose a clean kitchen as my priority. I didn't

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Speaker 1: have had from being involved was taken away from me

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Speaker 1: because I got my priorities wrong. So I'll do better

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Speaker 1: tomorrow as I wipe some weepiness out of my eye.

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Speaker 3: Is get the priorities right.

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Speaker 1: Because these moments, these opportunities to say those things, have

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Speaker 1: the time, but they don't. And that was a singular

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go out on a really big tangent here,

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Speaker 2: but why do you think it is so challenging for

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Speaker 2: most of us to actually express those feelings of love, gratitude,

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Speaker 2: and admiration for one another. For most of us, it's

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Speaker 2: not a comfortable conversation.

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Speaker 1: I love doing it, and I'm pretty sure I know

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Speaker 1: why I love doing it and why people struggle with it.

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Speaker 1: But I just want to emphasize that I just chose

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Speaker 2: The point that you've made that you missed an opportunity

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I think I think that there are probably two

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Speaker 1: is that we think that there'll always be another time.

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Speaker 1: We really discount the moment and put it off into

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Speaker 1: the future, because we think in the future there will

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Speaker 3: Number two.

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Speaker 1: Number two is that it requires us to open ourselves up.

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Speaker 1: And when we open ourselves up and when we're vulnerable,

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Speaker 1: there is a possibility sometimes even a probability of rejection

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Speaker 1: or our kindness may not be received the right way.

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Speaker 1: It might be responded to with a sarcastic or a

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Speaker 1: then a reciprocal response where somebody says, and I love

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Speaker 1: So I think between those two things, we can always

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Speaker 1: do it another time, which of course we can't route

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Speaker 3: Tomorrow never comes.

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Speaker 1: But also because it can be hard to open ourselves

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Speaker 1: up and be vulnerable. Gus Walland does this thing in

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Speaker 1: their phone. Normally we're talking about groups of men in

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Speaker 1: mental health, and tells these guys pull out your phone.

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Speaker 1: And I want you to send a message to somebody,

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Speaker 1: a mate, send a message to a mate and just

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Speaker 1: say really grateful for our friendship, I love you, or

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm not doing that.

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Speaker 1: We're doing that, and I'm like, well, you don't have to,

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Speaker 1: but this is the activity, and I want to encourage

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Speaker 3: Everyone in the room.

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Speaker 1: And only about fifty percent of people, in my experience,

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Speaker 3: It's everything.

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Speaker 1: Because it's so unusual that we would send those kinds

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Speaker 1: really really I'm not beating myself up too bad about it,

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Speaker 1: but gee, I wish i'd done I wish I'd chosen differently.

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Speaker 1: That's why I'd do better tomorrow. Seize the day, tell

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Speaker 1: about them, and get involved with whatever the family is doing,

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Speaker 1: even if it's not doing it for you right now,

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Speaker 1: and you think the kitchen matters more missus happy families.

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Speaker 1: What is your older better tomorrow?

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Speaker 2: Well, what I really want to talk about is how

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Speaker 2: excited we are to have baby number two under our

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Speaker 1: She's been gone for eighteen months in Europe doing missionary

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Speaker 1: work and serving the community in the Leeds area, and

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Speaker 1: she's finally come home.

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Speaker 2: But we're recording this a day before she gets home,

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Speaker 2: so we don't know to wait until next week and

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Speaker 2: discover all the things that we've gone through in that

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Speaker 2: week she comes home.

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Speaker 1: So what is your old do better tomorrow? Since we

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Speaker 1: can't have the live moment. If this was radio, we

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Speaker 1: could do it live. We could say, hey, it happened

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Speaker 1: last night, But unfortunately the recorded nature of podcast means

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Speaker 1: one week to wait, but oh you, we're excited. What

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Speaker 1: is your old to bed tomorrow? For this week though,

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Speaker 1: we talk a lot.

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Speaker 2: About belonging, this need for us to feel like we belong,

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Speaker 2: and how family traditions and family stories help our children

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Speaker 2: to understand who they are and where they belong in

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Speaker 2: the family tree, but in life in general, and how

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Speaker 2: those relationships really matter. So halful of years ago we

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Speaker 2: welcomed Jared into our lives, and one of the family

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