Speaker 1: Kid a Peter Hellier here, Welcome to you Ain't seen
Speaker 1: Nothing Yet? The movie podcast, where I chat to a
Speaker 1: movie lover about a classic or beloved movie they haven't
Speaker 1: quite got around to watching until now. And today's guest
Speaker 1: comedian actress writer Diana Ewan.
Speaker 2: Surely you can't be serious. I am serious, and don't
Speaker 2: call me.
Speaker 3: Show all the gin joints in all the towns in
Speaker 3: all the world. She walks into mine.
Speaker 4: I don't understand.
Speaker 5: I could have had class, I could have been a contender.
Speaker 6: I could have been somebody.
Speaker 2: They couldn't haven't anything right now?
Speaker 7: Do an't see nothing here?
Speaker 1: Diana Ewan isn't the kind of comedian, writer, actress podcaster
Speaker 1: to wait by the phone. Diana is one of the
Speaker 1: most motivated self starters in the biz, where, let's face it,
Speaker 1: everyone is kind of a self starter. To an extent,
Speaker 1: Diana wrote start in and produced the first Australian Vietnamese
Speaker 1: web series, The Hilarious fee In Me. She hosts the
Speaker 1: infectiously entertaining This Not Cast, as well as appearing on
Speaker 1: shows like How to Stay Married, Fat Pizza and The Project.
Speaker 1: In fact, it was on The Project where I first
Speaker 1: met Diana, where she presented me with a large bottle
Speaker 1: of Vietnamese fish sauce, which still lives.
Speaker 2: Half empty in my pantry.
Speaker 1: It was this meeting that led me to casting Diana
Speaker 1: in the second season of How to Stay Married as
Speaker 1: the head of the Cork Asians and Instagram influenza, who
Speaker 1: had been sent to Australia to find the best Aussie
Speaker 1: wine she could and it's fair to say she definitely
Speaker 1: did not find it. In the Butler's Backyard show at
Speaker 1: the Melbourne International Comedy Festival, Chasing Keanu reeves with a
Speaker 1: smash hit, with Time Out Magazine calling it fun, celebratory
Speaker 1: and unapologetic and that sums up Diana herself. Oh the
Speaker 1: other thing about Dinah you need to know is actually
Speaker 1: I'll hang on a bit for that. I'm sure it'll
Speaker 1: come up in the show.
Speaker 2: I'll give you a hint. Her podcast is called The
Speaker 2: Snort Cast.
Speaker 1: I'm bloody stoke to have my friend Diane and Ewan
Speaker 1: on the show today.
Speaker 6: Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 4: I just feel like that that bottle of fish sauce
Speaker 4: really worked.
Speaker 6: Its magic.
Speaker 2: Didn't wait for itself, hasn't it? And there it is.
Speaker 1: There's a little snot I've been waiting for. We'll get
Speaker 1: to that soon. Who are you and what are your
Speaker 1: three favorite films?
Speaker 4: My name is Dannie when I'm actor a comedian, and
Speaker 4: my three movies that.
Speaker 6: I adore is the Before Trilogy, But.
Speaker 2: Isn't Everything We're Doing in Life, which we loved a
Speaker 2: little more.
Speaker 6: One of my favorites.
Speaker 4: I'm also really love Twilight's totally gorgeous, obviously, and I
Speaker 4: also really love Always Being My Maybe with Ali Wong
Speaker 4: and Keanu Reeves Sarzant.
Speaker 8: Too such a trust him and opera.
Speaker 4: And the movie that we are going to be talking
Speaker 4: about is Bill and Ted's excellent adventure.
Speaker 1: Best mates current slackers but future rock gods. Bill and Ted,
Speaker 1: played by Alex Winter and Keanu Reeves a set to
Speaker 1: fail an all important history exam when they are paid
Speaker 1: a visit by a man dressed in black leather who
Speaker 1: wouldn't look out of place in a certain Keanu Reeves
Speaker 1: future blockbuster, but No Rufus played by comedy god George
Speaker 1: Carlum is not sent from the matrix. He is in set.
Speaker 1: He is in fact sent from the future to ensure
Speaker 1: the Bill and Ted passed the history exam for reasons
Speaker 1: that revealed themselves in the final moments. The Way offten
Speaker 1: movies in the eighties did, written in coffee shops over
Speaker 1: four days by Chris Mathieson and Solomon, directed by Stephen Herrek,
Speaker 1: who also was behind Critics and Mister Holland's Opus. Bill
Speaker 1: and Ted's Excellent Adventure may not be everyone's jam, but
Speaker 1: it did pave the way for fellow empty headstone a
Speaker 1: type such as Wayne and Garth and Beaves and butt
Speaker 1: Head who would arrive in cinemas and TV three years later.
Speaker 1: Dining you and You've been You've been looking. You've been
Speaker 1: searching for Keanu Reeves and you find him in Bill
Speaker 1: and Ted's Excellent Adventure.
Speaker 2: I did last night, So okay, So basically.
Speaker 1: Your show on Keanu Reeves and Melwanie International Comedy Festival.
Speaker 1: What does Keanu Reeves mean to you?
Speaker 6: Look?
Speaker 4: To be honest, I'm not a real fan of Keanu
Speaker 4: Reeves movies, right because most of them are quite violent, right,
Speaker 4: Like he shoots them twice in the head. You know
Speaker 4: it's a massacre, really, But it was a pivotal moment
Speaker 4: into a nineteen when I found him sitting on a
Speaker 4: bench looking sad and there's this meme of Keanu Reeves
Speaker 4: being sad that went around the world in twenty ten,
Speaker 4: and so, you know, comedy festival, you've got.
Speaker 6: To get a title of a show.
Speaker 4: Yes, So twenty nineteen I was like, yes, this is
Speaker 4: this is the show I want to do, Chasing Keanu Reeves,
Speaker 4: which is you know, when do you stop chasing? And
Speaker 4: what happens to life? And is it like Keanu Reeves
Speaker 4: sitting on a bench eating his lunch? You know?
Speaker 1: So was this with this Keanu Ris I'm not aware
Speaker 1: of the I know that he's very meme heavy.
Speaker 6: Yes he is.
Speaker 1: So was this Kanu Ribs in a film or on
Speaker 1: set or just like a pap shot of him eating
Speaker 1: a sandwich on a bench.
Speaker 4: A pap shot eating his bloody lunch and just looking
Speaker 4: quite content? Yeah, philosophical, And it became a sad that
Speaker 4: it went so viral that it became a sad Day.
Speaker 4: They made a Keanu Reeves Sad Day in June. It's
Speaker 4: coming up soon. It's just ridiculous. And he's also commented
Speaker 4: and said, guys, I was just eating my lunch, Like
Speaker 4: what do you want to do?
Speaker 5: Eat it?
Speaker 6: Happy with a smile.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, if you eat your sandwich
Speaker 1: too happy in a park by yourself, that sends different
Speaker 1: kinds of messages.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So okay, So it's quite interesting with Canu Reeves
Speaker 1: before we get to your three favorite films. But it's
Speaker 1: quite interesting that there's there's almost two phases of Keanu
Speaker 1: Reeves because you say you haven't seen many of his
Speaker 1: films because he's violent, and that I guess comes from
Speaker 1: particularly the John Wick movies and to an extent the
Speaker 1: Matrix movies as well. But growing up, I mean I
Speaker 1: was thirteen fourteen when this movie comes out, and Caunu
Speaker 1: Reeves was not associated for a very long time with violence.
Speaker 1: In fact, he was kind of the stoner, idiot, the.
Speaker 2: Airhead, the dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah he really was, and so there are so many
Speaker 1: films around this where he really did. He was like
Speaker 1: really like like stereotyitle or you know, what do you
Speaker 1: call a pigeonhole and into these kinds of roles. I
Speaker 1: think he said that his fear was his gravestone. Was
Speaker 1: going to say, here last County Reeves. He played ted.
Speaker 6: And he changed. I didn't he with the Matrix he did.
Speaker 1: He completely went through a massive you know, reinvention with
Speaker 1: the Matrix, and I remember when he got cast in that.
Speaker 6: Really that's what I said to Yeah.
Speaker 1: This is a strange move, but it was a genius.
Speaker 1: And I think also what we learned and is that
Speaker 1: he is a much brighter individual and the caring individual.
Speaker 1: I have met him a couple of times with interviews,
Speaker 1: and he was completely lovely.
Speaker 6: He wanted to be the father of my children.
Speaker 1: Well, we didn't exchange numbers at the end, but I'm
Speaker 1: sure if I put the word out he will, particularly
Speaker 1: after listening to this. Before we get onto Bill and
Speaker 1: Ted's excellent adventure, let's talk about your three favorite films.
Speaker 1: That Before trilogy with Ethan Hook and Julie Delpy.
Speaker 4: Yes, so Before the Sunset, Before Sunrise, and Before Midnight
Speaker 4: follows the journey of this couple who have this very
Speaker 4: non romantic relationship that's shown in these three movies, and
Speaker 4: it feels very realistic, and I yeah, I'm kind of
Speaker 4: looking for that kind of trilogy of someone following me
Speaker 4: over twenty seven years.
Speaker 1: It is well, and that's because the first one comes
Speaker 1: out in ninety five, and the next one comes out
Speaker 1: nine years later, in nine years later, and then there's
Speaker 1: another nine years after that, right, that's that's that's and
Speaker 1: Richard Linklater, who is such a brilliant filmmaker Boyhood Boyhood.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so.
Speaker 1: It's that idea of that day that turns into a
Speaker 1: date kind of that improv you know, that impromptu kind
Speaker 1: of moment that you can find in life sometimes.
Speaker 2: Ah. And it might not be a date.
Speaker 1: This might be oh, where I'm with my mate and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden we're in a pub a beer.
Speaker 1: This wasn't part of the plan for today, or it
Speaker 1: could be something more meaningful. Does that appeal to you
Speaker 1: that kind of Yeah.
Speaker 4: I'm just waiting on a tram in Melbourne for someone
Speaker 4: just say, how are you going to go.
Speaker 6: For a you know, yeah, tram or at Flinder Street.
Speaker 4: I'm just waiting for that one moment and go, oh,
Speaker 4: that's my before trilogy happening right now.
Speaker 2: Yes, we did. I mentioned this a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: We did an episode of It's a Date and it
Speaker 1: had Dead Mailment and Jim and it was kind of
Speaker 1: based on this idea. And I haven't seen all of
Speaker 1: the trilogy. In fact, I think I've only seen the
Speaker 1: first one in bits, and I don't know why I
Speaker 1: haven't gone back and watch. I think for a long time,
Speaker 1: I wasn't aware how good the film was. I think
Speaker 1: I just maybe dismissed it as a romance film that
Speaker 1: I didn't need to see. I think Ethan Hawk has
Speaker 1: kind of his credibility has grown over the years, you know,
Speaker 1: Like you know, I remember seeing him for the first
Speaker 1: time in Dead Politics Society and not being sure if
Speaker 1: that guy could act. You know, sometimes you see an
Speaker 1: actor for the first time you think that is that
Speaker 1: the role he was kind of.
Speaker 2: Born to play, and that's all there is.
Speaker 1: I must say, I'm guilty of feeling that way about
Speaker 1: Ethan Hawk and maybe carrying that a little bit. I
Speaker 1: just I think I saw him in a couple of
Speaker 1: these follow up films and I just wasn't particularly impressed.
Speaker 1: And then I think he's he is an actor. The
Speaker 1: older he's gotten, the more interesting he's gotten.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think Ethan Hawk is the actor that
Speaker 4: can play different characters. But you still see Ethan Hawk,
Speaker 4: if that makes sense. He's got particular manum mannerisms that
Speaker 4: could make you go, oh no, so yeah, I can
Speaker 4: I can see what you're saying. Yeah, you're not a
Speaker 4: real fan of No.
Speaker 2: I'm a fan now. I think I'm talking.
Speaker 1: I'm taking myself back to the nineteen ninety six, you know,
Speaker 1: like where I just was like, oh, Bobby, don't need
Speaker 1: to see that film?
Speaker 2: Yes, and I'm probably wrong because it's no go see it.
Speaker 1: And I love the filmmaker, like Richard Later is just
Speaker 1: a genius, and I love the way he goes about films.
Speaker 1: So he will come up with an idea and then go, Okay,
Speaker 1: what kind of film is this? And he did a
Speaker 1: scan of Darkly with County Reeves, which is they did
Speaker 1: almost like animated, which is incredible. And yeah, so you
Speaker 1: never know what kind of film Richard Linklater is going
Speaker 1: to do next.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Boyhood was just bent groundbreaking, just that commitment to
Speaker 4: shoot every single year and watch these characters and actors grow.
Speaker 4: And he had his daughter on the in the movie,
Speaker 4: so that was I don't know, I just find that
Speaker 4: really beautiful to see that bond and community just really
Speaker 4: believe in this project.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's great. How often do you would you
Speaker 2: would you watch? Do you revisit those films?
Speaker 4: Boy I'd probably have watched quite a few times already.
Speaker 4: I just love the soundtrack. I'm a soundtrack fan, so
Speaker 4: there's a really gorgeous song that they play through there.
Speaker 4: And you know, growing up in Australia, we didn't really
Speaker 4: I didn't have that teenage youth. My dad wasn't smoking weed,
Speaker 4: I wasn't sleeping with boys, you know. But so it's
Speaker 4: really a way for me to really understand the American
Speaker 4: culture of growing up the adolescence.
Speaker 6: Time, yeah, puberty. So that was really nice to escape
Speaker 6: into that world.
Speaker 1: I think we all have these films where particularly we
Speaker 1: look at America and we kind of there's this because
Speaker 1: America is very good, particularly through film and TV, showing
Speaker 1: an ideological, you know, an idea, an idyllic.
Speaker 2: Sorry, version of growing up in America.
Speaker 1: In the older you get, you realize, you know, there's
Speaker 1: a version of growing up in America that's you know,
Speaker 1: quite screwed up as well, and how lucky we are
Speaker 1: to be living where we are.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, I mean, you know.
Speaker 1: Watching films and I'm sure you know, my wife would
Speaker 1: probably point it dirty dancing and kind of go, you know,
Speaker 1: even though that's getting to the later teenager, you know,
Speaker 1: but this kind of thing, you know, that's why can't
Speaker 1: we go on summer camp in Australia. Why can't we
Speaker 1: do that? Yes, so, yeah, that's that's interesting. And then
Speaker 1: you mentioned Twilight. You mentioned Twilight with almost touch of guilt.
Speaker 4: Yes, I love vampires. I want a vampire to suck
Speaker 4: my neck like, I want to become a vampire like
Speaker 4: I just love Edward Cullen in the franchise. And also,
Speaker 4: our family dog is named after the wolf Jacob, so
Speaker 4: it's been passed around in my family.
Speaker 2: So the whole family a Twilight fan.
Speaker 6: Well, that's why the dog's named Jacob.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you can sneak and name him be that telling
Speaker 1: mum and dad who the dog's actually named after.
Speaker 6: No, it was pretty it was the wolf.
Speaker 2: Yes, does your dog have abs?
Speaker 6: No, he has depression.
Speaker 1: Because he doesn't have abs. That's why you set the
Speaker 1: bar so high that he's got to hang on.
Speaker 2: This guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he didn't become a doctor too, you know,
Speaker 4: just part of being in the Asian household. Didn't feel
Speaker 4: the requirements, didn't for my mum's expectations.
Speaker 2: Where about in Melbourne you graw.
Speaker 4: Spring Ball, spring Bear, So it's like that that's a
Speaker 4: mecca for people.
Speaker 2: You are you are, you are in there, you're right
Speaker 2: in the middle of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and describe your child on how you how you
Speaker 1: took in film and television.
Speaker 4: Oh for me, For god, I remember my my dad
Speaker 4: was a film buff. So Bruce Lee like going to
Speaker 4: the local video store and Bruce Lee, Jackie Chang, Chuck Norris,
Speaker 4: Stephen Sagull like, he made me watch a lot of
Speaker 4: violent I still remember Stephen Sagull in a movie where
Speaker 4: this woman jumps out at a birthday cake.
Speaker 6: I don't remember that scene. It's on a naval ship.
Speaker 4: I was watching that at seven years old, and you know,
Speaker 4: when the sex scenes come up, they put the donner
Speaker 4: of your head and tell you not to watch it.
Speaker 4: But you can hear everything. So that's that's why I
Speaker 4: think for me, soundtracks are really important. You can hear
Speaker 4: every sound and movement happen. So yeah, that was my
Speaker 4: introduction to movies through my dad, just watching all these
Speaker 4: action movies. Hans, why I don't watch John Wicker, Don't
Speaker 4: you think? Because it's just too much violence?
Speaker 2: But I guess it's a difference between those kinds of films,
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 1: Like there was an artistry to Bruce Lee and the
Speaker 1: way he was almost like a watching a dance. There's
Speaker 1: an art to making a John Wick film, and you know,
Speaker 1: but it is a different kind of like as an
Speaker 1: experience as far as you're watching it.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is. It's all the senses are and it
Speaker 2: can be a little bit too for long.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I guess with Bruce Lee because he represented
Speaker 4: our Asian community and then tragically passed away and then
Speaker 4: his son, like I remember watching The Crow with his
Speaker 4: son where he got shot on set, Like you know
Speaker 4: that was that was our kind of connection to our
Speaker 4: Asian heritage and to see just seeing devastation of these
Speaker 4: two male actors passing away very young in their lives.
Speaker 4: So uh yeah, and you know COUNTA. Reeves is kind
Speaker 4: of Asian. I think this was his.
Speaker 6: It's very confusing. We don't know what his origin is
Speaker 6: of everything.
Speaker 1: You know, the representation has been great over the over
Speaker 1: the decades of his representation on screen. So if you
Speaker 1: if you can find a little bit in the Count
Speaker 1: of Reeves, you take it, then you run with it.
Speaker 1: Bruce Lee mean a lot to your dad. It sounds
Speaker 1: like because he just loved those films or because he
Speaker 1: saw like part of himself represented on screen.
Speaker 6: I would say both of that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, because you know, Brisley was you know, on
Speaker 4: top of his game. He was the martial arts freak
Speaker 4: who was kicking kicking arson balls everywhere, you know, and
Speaker 4: that's all sizes.
Speaker 1: It's not like he's pointing out some guy who was
Speaker 1: the third lead in the you know, in the Screwball
Speaker 1: comedy or something that's like this.
Speaker 2: Bruce was the man.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was the man.
Speaker 4: And I look, even for me as an artist, like
Speaker 4: I do feel aligned and feel more empathy for an
Speaker 4: artist that does look like me, because then the stories
Speaker 4: are from my community. I guess on my culture, there's
Speaker 4: a bit of un more understanding. So yeah, I would
Speaker 4: say that would be probably be one. My dad loved
Speaker 4: Bruce Lay and got that into my system too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we have we can say waiting to
Speaker 1: always be my Maybe I haven't seen this one. This
Speaker 1: is this is this is a Netflix original, I think,
Speaker 1: and and this has some representation in there.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So Ali Wong one of the biggest, biggest comedians. She's
Speaker 4: now she's just got Netflix gave eleven meal to do
Speaker 4: two specials, like she's Netflix. She's a Netflix special, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 4: just to see her progress her career from just from
Speaker 4: a comedian to a writer to starring in her own movie.
Speaker 4: That's that's goals for me, and then to madly past
Speaker 4: Keanu Reeves an alter ego of Kanu Reeves. It's like
Speaker 4: they didn't change his name. His name is Keanu.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I was really jarred by that, but I get it.
Speaker 4: It's a comedy and Keanu Reeves wanted to play himself.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: That's that's always so great. So from till Bill and
Speaker 4: Ted to you know, always be My Maybe. You see
Speaker 4: this guy. He's really humble and really and willing to
Speaker 4: take the mickey out of him. So yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So briefly described the plot love Always Been My Maybe.
Speaker 2: So ellyone plays.
Speaker 4: She plays a chef, a very famous chef, and she's
Speaker 4: had some bad relationships and then she reconnects with a
Speaker 4: teenage love, a childhood friend, and they try to juggle
Speaker 4: this relationship in her rising star her career and they
Speaker 4: break up.
Speaker 6: Uh and uh.
Speaker 4: In that Keanu Reeve, she walks up with Keanu Reeves
Speaker 4: and comes a bit of competition and yeah, and Kanna
Speaker 4: Reeves just does weird ship.
Speaker 6: In this movie.
Speaker 1: I often wonder when in these types of you know instances,
Speaker 1: when the Keanu Reeves, it was always Keanu Reeves? Was it,
Speaker 1: you know, was it whoever we can get?
Speaker 2: You know? Was he the first choice? Did they? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Did they reach out to him before they started writing?
Speaker 1: In the later series of How To Say Married, we
Speaker 1: we cast Adam Gilchrist, famous cricketer, one of the most
Speaker 1: famous cricketers in the history of cricket, and he was
Speaker 1: he was our first choice. And you know, I was
Speaker 1: able to give him a call and say you're interested
Speaker 1: in and follow up and kind of keep him in
Speaker 1: touch with the writing. And I'm always fascinated with at
Speaker 1: what point the counter Reeves come on? At what point
Speaker 1: did Ali Wong reached out to Keanu Reeves?
Speaker 4: From what I remember she wrote him in Yeah, she
Speaker 4: was like, I want to pass us. She got like
Speaker 4: one of the best Asian actors on the show. She said,
Speaker 4: well why not? I have the power like you got
Speaker 4: Adam Gilchrists because you're a cricket fan. That's a cricket
Speaker 4: it And I remember Adam gil I was a at
Speaker 4: girl too, so Ian Healy in the Yeah, and then
Speaker 4: you know, gil Chris took over. So I know this good.
Speaker 4: I could go in my cricket. That's another world. But yeah,
Speaker 4: you know you as a writer, you have so much power.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it is nice when you can get to
Speaker 1: that point, you know. I mean, I probably struggle to
Speaker 1: get count of Reeves on board by but I'll take Gilly.
Speaker 1: But if Netflix are listening, yeah, Diana's Chasing Kianu Reeves
Speaker 1: is also available for a special and you can probably
Speaker 1: get her under the eleven mill price tag.
Speaker 2: Yes, only fractionally.
Speaker 6: I'm just happy just to show my mum a check
Speaker 6: of some stuff.
Speaker 2: Do your folks come to your shows?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, in the last probably eight years, she did.
Speaker 4: But when I first started, when we talked about this
Speaker 4: on the project, like when I was in year twelve,
Speaker 4: I did VC drama. I was in a school musical,
Speaker 4: I plat the Hunchback of Notre Dame, and I saw
Speaker 4: my mum's car drive out of the driveway at interval. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was devastating. And I saw her doing that again
Speaker 4: when I did another musical in university and I just realized,
Speaker 4: I can't, I can't invite you to these shows. And
Speaker 4: it was about six seven years of you know, you know,
Speaker 4: your biggest cheer squad are your parents. So when your
Speaker 4: parents aren't there to support you, you rely on your community.
Speaker 4: So I had a wonderful god family that just kept
Speaker 4: saying keep going, keep going, keep going, until in two
Speaker 4: thousand and nine, I did Miss saigone and that was
Speaker 4: the tip of for my mum. She watched the whole thing,
Speaker 4: was crying in the audience, and that was when she
Speaker 4: realized why I was doing what I was doing. And
Speaker 4: finally she started watching all my shows and coming along
Speaker 4: and you know, and feeing me happened. And she's really
Speaker 4: proud that I'm an actor now because what she says
Speaker 4: is like, yeah, you be an actor, but lose some
Speaker 4: weight because no one wants a fat actor.
Speaker 6: So I know she's approving.
Speaker 2: They still work for us. I still work for us,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's you know, you can't win the driving out.
Speaker 1: I mean, it would have been better, not it would
Speaker 1: easy if she had said I'm not coming, like as
Speaker 1: much as that would have been hard to hear, Yes,
Speaker 1: in that moment, if you wanted her there, Because sometimes
Speaker 1: I must say, I'm happy for my parents not to
Speaker 1: come to certain things they're always invited, but to see
Speaker 1: your mum, believe it. Yeah, halftime is a footy term intervals.
Speaker 2: That is heartbreak.
Speaker 6: It is heartbreak.
Speaker 4: And I still remember that moment of her picking us
Speaker 4: up then going home and being at the front door
Speaker 4: and opening the door, and I just I just remember
Speaker 4: that moment at the front of the house going, I
Speaker 4: can't do this anymore, I can't get this hurts And
Speaker 4: this was a seventeen year old going, this hurts so much.
Speaker 6: My why, I know, the tough lover. This is way
Speaker 6: too tough for me.
Speaker 1: When you're at that stage, you are hoping to be
Speaker 1: accepted by the audience, you know, and whatever you know
Speaker 1: of a stand up to get a laugh from the
Speaker 1: audience and all that, and when you feel that kind
Speaker 1: of I guess you know whatever it is in your mom.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure whatever it was in your mom, and I'm.
Speaker 1: Not sure how much you've discussed it over the years
Speaker 1: since then, but whatever it was, that's kind of her thing.
Speaker 1: And maybe there's other things in her own life that
Speaker 1: she's dealing with. It's all I'm sure confusing and all that.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's not a simple thing, you know, from
Speaker 1: your perspective, to invite your cheerleader and to have her
Speaker 1: leave when you you're just trying to get you know,
Speaker 1: the audience to love you, and you think, well, I
Speaker 1: don't need to worry about my squad, and then you
Speaker 1: see the lead member of your squad leave. Yes, that's
Speaker 1: do you think maybe it was? Because I think when
Speaker 1: we get into you know, let's call it showbiz, we
Speaker 1: expect that parents to kind of like, maybe no more than,
Speaker 1: you know, than they really do. Like and when you
Speaker 1: said your mom kind of accepted you when she saw
Speaker 1: you in Miss Saigone, do you think that she was
Speaker 1: able to relate to that. Look, maybe she didn't quite
Speaker 1: get the idea of playing characters up until then, like
Speaker 1: you're playing the hunchback and is there something my my
Speaker 1: daughter's not a hunch punchback.
Speaker 2: Of that in that?
Speaker 4: Do you think, Well, look, my mom's a Vitamse refugee,
Speaker 4: and I understand, like now in my thirties, why she
Speaker 4: was upset because she wanted us to be successful and
Speaker 4: also to have our health in check. And for her,
Speaker 4: the entertainment industry wasn't big in Vietnam. The culture wasn't
Speaker 4: like that like in the Western world. So it was
Speaker 4: a very conflict.
Speaker 6: Of what she'd sacrifice to get us to.
Speaker 4: This point, and she felt like I was endangering my
Speaker 4: own my own future by going into somewhere that that
Speaker 4: not many of us had ever ventured into. So but
Speaker 4: I do understand, like I understand why my mom walked out,
Speaker 4: because you know, the hunchback is saying all these things
Speaker 4: in English, and your second language is English, so I
Speaker 4: understand like it was a language barrier for my mum.
Speaker 4: And it's probably ridiculous that I was wearing a patch
Speaker 4: in my eye and you know, with the crooked back
Speaker 4: and just going the bells and bells, you know, But
Speaker 4: I I am. I am grateful. I don't have regrets
Speaker 4: of my mom being that tough on me and walking out,
Speaker 4: because I don't think I would have kept pursuing this career. Yeah,
Speaker 4: if I am, I'm a I kinda I kind of
Speaker 4: like to prove people wrong. Yeah, yes, and that's what
Speaker 4: my mother did to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was going to prove it to her until I
Speaker 4: got to send up on a stage and say thanks
Speaker 4: mom for like hating my career and getting me to
Speaker 4: this place here.
Speaker 1: So well, I think all of our parents worry when
Speaker 1: we go into this career you know, no matter where
Speaker 1: they're from and what their backgrounds are, they worry and that,
Speaker 1: you know, it's always like have a plan, b have
Speaker 1: something to fall back on. And I think I imagine
Speaker 1: that gets intensified when and I've heard I've heard, you know,
Speaker 1: performers who parents are you know, have come out as refugees,
Speaker 1: like knowing what they went through, and it's like they
Speaker 1: had this feeling almost something someone would have this guilt
Speaker 1: of like this feels frivolous. I know, this may must
Speaker 1: seem frivolous after everything you've been through. For me to
Speaker 1: be playing dress ups on stage must seem frivolous to you,
Speaker 1: But it's something that I need to do, and it's
Speaker 1: something that's in me.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And look, I remember working at nine West at Chadstone
Speaker 4: and my mum would come in to the store and said, really,
Speaker 4: you know, like she was.
Speaker 6: Just kind of like stabbing me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I look, I'm grateful for that and she's
Speaker 4: she's mellowed out and she does approve of my career now.
Speaker 4: But I have to say it was my God, family,
Speaker 4: community that really got me to where I am. And
Speaker 4: that's why I always celebrate community, because I would not
Speaker 4: be where I am. If it wasn't for them, I
Speaker 4: would have become a teacher. That was my My mum
Speaker 4: keeps saying, if you ever need a backup, be a teacher.
Speaker 4: You know so yeah, but I'm a very aspired you know,
Speaker 4: start upper. So I'll keep I'll keep nutting it out,
Speaker 4: and I've been doing for sixteen years.
Speaker 1: You are one of the most people in the busy,
Speaker 1: are you? You blow my mind constantly. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: Bill and Ted's excellent Adventure. Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure
Speaker 1: a film I'm as sure if I've mentioned this yet,
Speaker 1: I had not seen, which made surprise. I think I
Speaker 1: was never really drawn to these completely silly comedies like
Speaker 1: I love the Three Amigos.
Speaker 2: I love which is you know, silly as well.
Speaker 1: But I think and I would still argue Three Megos
Speaker 1: is a cleverer silly movie than perhaps Bill and Ted's is.
Speaker 1: With that said, what did you like? I quite, you know,
Speaker 1: I quite enjoyed watching it. But what do you what
Speaker 1: do you think?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: Look, I'm the same thing. I was like, why am
Speaker 4: I watching Bill and Ted? It looks so ridiculous. I mean,
Speaker 4: the trailer is like dou dude, you know, and Counter
Speaker 4: Reeves does this kind of like look every time he
Speaker 4: says anything. And that's why I think I was being
Speaker 4: trained to see count of Reeves is like this kind
Speaker 4: of like very monotone kind of actor, like you know,
Speaker 4: it seems one dimensional.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like I said earlier, this was like he
Speaker 1: went through a long time where basically it was like
Speaker 1: Counters kn't act like he's not and listen, he doesn't
Speaker 1: have the range of Daniel day Lewis, but he knows
Speaker 1: what he can do, and I think and what he
Speaker 1: can do is more than he was doing here and
Speaker 1: he knew that, and I think the rest of us didn't, yes,
Speaker 1: you know, and we'll get to some of the films
Speaker 1: he was making around that time and what he went
Speaker 1: on to do afterwards.
Speaker 2: But so you yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it wasn't yeah, it wasn't a fan until
Speaker 4: last night.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I really enjoyed the chaos, yeah yeah, and the fun.
Speaker 6: They decided just to go with it, and we said
Speaker 6: it took them four days to write this.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: You can see that they just went oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: yeah that right in that cafe. And I just really
Speaker 4: adored conus hair it was just so beautiful.
Speaker 1: Get the better hair, definitely has better head than Alex
Speaker 1: Winter the curls, you know. I mean, I'm sure Alex's
Speaker 1: mum loves his curls. But if you're going to choose,
Speaker 1: you choose counts here.
Speaker 4: And the reference of Missy the mum, you know, wow,
Speaker 4: and how you couldn't do that?
Speaker 2: Now, I must.
Speaker 1: Say why, that's the question I would ask why he
Speaker 1: did not correct me if I'm wrong. Yasny Podcasts at
Speaker 1: gmail dot com. Correct me if I'm wrong. Was there
Speaker 1: a point to Missy being so young and being because
Speaker 1: even it's so when they're at the house and his
Speaker 1: dad comes in.
Speaker 6: Close the door and in his son's bed.
Speaker 2: So much, that's wrong. Back then, they went for it.
Speaker 2: They went for it.
Speaker 7: Your dad's gone for it, and you're wrong.
Speaker 1: And I do I do admire. I don't admire that storyline.
Speaker 1: I don't know what really gave us a couple of
Speaker 1: cheap jokes about you know, do it's your mum? But
Speaker 1: I thought it was going to go somewhere at least, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it didn't. I do like that you mention it.
Speaker 1: It's just fun, you know, like the whole as far
Speaker 1: as time travel goes. There's no usually time travel adventures.
Speaker 1: And I you know, I'm reasonally well versed because I've
Speaker 1: written a kid's book series which is all about time travel,
Speaker 1: so I've had to get my head across time travel.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite films is Back to the Future,
Speaker 1: which is inspired the Frankie Fish series. And yeah, the
Speaker 1: biggest thing you look at when you're doing time travel
Speaker 1: is how the events, the things you do, the activities
Speaker 1: you undertake. Whilst time traveling can have an impact on
Speaker 1: the future.
Speaker 8: They could create a time paradox for results of which
Speaker 8: could cause a team reaction would unravel the very fabric
Speaker 8: on the space time continual and destroyed the entire universe.
Speaker 1: There's none of that here. They're not interested in exploring
Speaker 1: any of that.
Speaker 6: And I went, oh my god.
Speaker 4: They could collect every person from every error, shove them
Speaker 4: into the phone Brioth.
Speaker 2: I did laugh.
Speaker 1: I did laugh when they go back to the wild
Speaker 1: West and they said, that's Billy the kid, Let's bag him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I thought that's what it was going to be.
Speaker 1: It was going to be they brought Napoleon back first,
Speaker 1: and then there's going to be there's there's loading bodies
Speaker 1: in a bedroom somewhere, So I thought it was it
Speaker 1: was smart that they kind of came up the trick
Speaker 1: of the something being faulty with the phone box and
Speaker 1: we'll get to that soon and why they couldn't get back.
Speaker 1: So it was good to have Socrates or Socrates.
Speaker 2: Along for the ride. That that was. That was fun.
Speaker 2: One of the very first thing I've noticed, actually was
Speaker 2: a shout out.
Speaker 1: You may not have picked this up because you're a
Speaker 1: little younger than I am by quite a bit actually,
Speaker 1: But the very first song you hear is by Aussie
Speaker 1: band Big Pig, breakaway from the Oink album, which is
Speaker 1: a fantastic.
Speaker 6: Of the snorer.
Speaker 1: How could you not have seen Keanu Reeves It's got
Speaker 1: It's got, big, Big.
Speaker 2: Dear. But they are.
Speaker 1: They are They are charming idiots, aren't they? Bill And said,
Speaker 1: there's no doubt about that. Like that's what say this film.
Speaker 1: If these characters are not as likable as Keanu Reeves
Speaker 1: and Alex Winter, this this does not become the cult
Speaker 1: classic it is. And and you know there are problems
Speaker 1: with this film, but but I'm not going to have
Speaker 1: a go at any It's hard enough to write comedy
Speaker 1: as you know, and have people enough people to see them,
Speaker 1: to become much loved and to survive the test of time.
Speaker 1: It's had the recent sequel, and it had one a
Speaker 1: few years later, a bogus journey.
Speaker 2: The recent one was Facing Music.
Speaker 1: I may get around to watching him on a rainy day,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but all power to them for creating something,
Speaker 1: you know. And and it's like I said, it's fun.
Speaker 1: If it took itself too seriously, I think it would
Speaker 1: have fallen flat.
Speaker 2: But they didn't. Those what it is. It doesn't care
Speaker 2: about logic.
Speaker 6: No, just goes for it.
Speaker 2: It just goes for it.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And look, I was three years old when this came out,
Speaker 4: or four years old. So yeah, for me that I
Speaker 4: kind of missed that you know eighties kind of nineties.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I never really watched those shows. Like I was telling you,
Speaker 4: it was more Bruce Lee and more the slick you know,
Speaker 4: ha ha, and you know, bad people getting killed. But yeah,
Speaker 4: it was really refreshing for me, you know, after a
Speaker 4: big week, just to sit down and watch something that
Speaker 4: had make no sense.
Speaker 1: And this is why, you know, these are the kind
Speaker 1: of films that sometimes get panned, you know by by critics,
Speaker 1: it's important that these films exist. Yes, and even after
Speaker 1: watching some films we've covered for this podcast already with
Speaker 1: All about Eve and Citizen Kane and there We're all
Speaker 1: great films Full Metal Jacket, it was really lovely to
Speaker 1: sit down for a ninety minute stoner comedy in the Iron.
Speaker 7: Me own Men, excellent.
Speaker 6: Executi. Yes, they haven't stoned, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1: Say we say stone but there's no there's no drugs
Speaker 1: or alcohol or swearing, which is also it's quite nice
Speaker 1: even to sit down with that.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Do would you say it's a family movie.
Speaker 2: I think the kids could watch it.
Speaker 1: I invited Oscar, my twelve year old, to watch it,
Speaker 1: but he was Him and my wife were having their
Speaker 1: own little you know.
Speaker 2: I got the date night. It's not a date night. Okay,
Speaker 2: it's not date night.
Speaker 1: So I think I watched in the American Office, which
Speaker 1: is I completely I support that. So I watched Bill
Speaker 1: and Dad's excellent picture by myself.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 1: Did you have a favorite? Do you have a favorite
Speaker 1: historical who? They collected?
Speaker 6: It all love Beethoven.
Speaker 2: Beethoven was fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I'm a pianist as well. That was one
Speaker 4: thing my mom did when I was three years old,
Speaker 4: got me onto a piano. Oh really, yes, yeah, the
Speaker 4: expectations all there. It was if I wasn't going to
Speaker 4: be a doctor, at least I could play music.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and like you keep it up, well you
Speaker 1: can you play?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I play probably more of a songwriter than a
Speaker 4: classical player. Now yeah, so you know I can do.
Speaker 4: After four bars, I'm done.
Speaker 6: But I just loved the.
Speaker 4: Bit when he was in the mall and then everyone's
Speaker 4: around him.
Speaker 1: Just I thought that was the best when they all
Speaker 1: so all the characters are loosing the mall and I
Speaker 1: feel like they knew what to do with some of
Speaker 1: the characters, and that was the best one. I thought
Speaker 1: the Beethoven one was the best one. Your Gengis came
Speaker 1: with the baseball bat. I thought it was fun. I
Speaker 1: felt like they didn't quite know what to do with
Speaker 1: Joan of arc she's just taking an aerobics class, yes,
Speaker 1: kicking someone off.
Speaker 4: But the Genghis Khan one, it was really interesting because
Speaker 4: I was, you know, I was watching the bit where
Speaker 4: they before they take him and they had you know,
Speaker 4: Genghis car was back in Mongolia back in the day,
Speaker 4: but they probably had four white actors in that scene, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: so that was really that was good. You know even
Speaker 4: that was wasn't it wasn't it. It's not acceptable now,
Speaker 4: but back then it was the only way that could
Speaker 4: you do a story about Genghis Khan and his lovers
Speaker 4: were not from Mongolia.
Speaker 6: They got imported somewhere.
Speaker 1: It's how much I kind of apologize to keep going
Speaker 1: back to it. But I think, you know, age representation
Speaker 1: is so important, representation, diversity is so important.
Speaker 2: How far have.
Speaker 1: We come, do you think, in like even the last
Speaker 1: five years. And it's dangerous to point at a movie
Speaker 1: like Crazy for Changes and go, oh, look, everything's solved.
Speaker 2: It's so far from being sold.
Speaker 1: But have we with movies inmed like always been my
Speaker 1: Maybe there's the Mindy Kaling who's also such a great voice,
Speaker 1: and she has a great.
Speaker 2: Never say never, have no, never have I ever.
Speaker 1: Yes, It's one of those shows that you have to
Speaker 1: kind of think about a little bit, involving an American
Speaker 1: Indian teenager who's or Indian American teenager who's just finding
Speaker 1: a way, and it's really about really it's about her
Speaker 1: trying to get laid and it's so it's so funny,
Speaker 1: weirdly narrated by John McEnroe, which is hilarious. Yes, but
Speaker 1: like I said, it's not like we can never say things. Okay,
Speaker 1: rest on Laurels on the coming, go point at one
Speaker 1: or two movies or TV shows and go look have
Speaker 1: we come so far?
Speaker 2: But where do you see it?
Speaker 6: Well, I can just say I want more work. Yes, yes,
Speaker 6: So that's.
Speaker 4: Probably saying there's not enough work for Asian astrand comedians
Speaker 4: or actors. And to be honest, that's why I got
Speaker 4: into stand up was that I ran out of work
Speaker 4: as an actor and I thought, this is the only
Speaker 4: way I'm going to get seen for fifteen minutes. So
Speaker 4: I better write a show, stand up on stage and
Speaker 4: be seen. And that's how you know Fee and me,
Speaker 4: which is what I co created the web series. That's
Speaker 4: how I got seen. That's how I met you on
Speaker 4: the project. You know, the fish sauce worked out.
Speaker 2: I should have brought it. I should have that there.
Speaker 2: It could have cooked this other storm.
Speaker 4: But then but then you like called and said, hey,
Speaker 4: I've written a character. I will love you to play it,
Speaker 4: and so you know, I didn't have the audition for it.
Speaker 4: It was kind of like I remember getting that phone
Speaker 4: call in the car and I felt I was like, wow,
Speaker 4: this is what it feels like. Yeah, you know, like
Speaker 4: you've worked so far this point and that someone saw
Speaker 4: you and you didn't have to audition. You know, the
Speaker 4: audition process and casting processes. You know, it's genuous and
Speaker 4: an actor who's trying to make it already. So that
Speaker 4: acknowledgment really made me go, oh god, I can breathe
Speaker 4: now I got a gig.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So you know, those moments when someone advocates for you
Speaker 4: in this industry keeps us going and you know, Crazy
Speaker 4: Rich Asians is just one story. Always be My Baby
Speaker 4: is one story comparable to the mini stories that are
Speaker 4: on Netflix. And it's why I encourage people to keep
Speaker 4: writing like you do. You've you know now reading three
Speaker 4: seasons of How to Stay Married. You know, that's what
Speaker 4: I'm telling myself to keep writing, keep standing up, to
Speaker 4: stand up and keep showing up and.
Speaker 6: Just be seen.
Speaker 4: So there's we want more work and I know other
Speaker 4: fantastic Asian Australian comedian actors who want work. This is
Speaker 4: their full time life. Yeah, so that's probably the answer.
Speaker 2: It's a great answer. It's simple, but it is. It
Speaker 2: is the issue.
Speaker 1: And as soon as you as soon as you diversify
Speaker 1: in the writer's room, both with having diversity in the
Speaker 1: writer's room and then the way you imagine your ideas,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, maybe this character doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be a white male, you know, and we've probably even
Speaker 1: started doing it like years ago, saying let's make that
Speaker 1: male character a woman, you know, and then let's make
Speaker 1: that you know a character you know, Indigenous or Asian.
Speaker 2: Or it doesn't matter who they are.
Speaker 1: Let's just let's just open this casting out, yes, and
Speaker 1: see who rolls up and who you know.
Speaker 6: Who has just play?
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, Just have an open arena, because you know,
Speaker 4: I get it. In every industry and workplace, it's clique.
Speaker 4: You want to work with your friends. I totally understand that.
Speaker 4: But but then yeah, it will it will restrict on
Speaker 4: how you know and invite into your circle. So I
Speaker 4: try to be inclusive. I try to know all the
Speaker 4: Asian Australian performers just so I can keep tabs on
Speaker 4: where they are. Because what happened and for most of
Speaker 4: my career when I started out, was that I was.
Speaker 6: Competing with five Asians for one role. So it's been crazy.
Speaker 4: It's really toxic, you know, competitiveness between Asian actors. You're
Speaker 4: right to compete for the one role, you know, so
Speaker 4: and so right now I'm just going, no, you've got
Speaker 4: the job.
Speaker 6: Good on you.
Speaker 4: So what do I need to do? So I now
Speaker 4: use as a stimulus to go what what else can
Speaker 4: we do? What else can I do? To get up?
Speaker 4: And you know, stand up has been a really beautiful
Speaker 4: evolution kind of like Keanu Reeves like he does the movies,
Speaker 4: but he's also evolved his career into something else. Yeah,
Speaker 4: which is you know, reading a book for an hour
Speaker 4: on YouTube which I've listened to, you know, like it.
Speaker 4: Acting isn't his number one. We've talked about it on
Speaker 4: my snortcusts about how you you don't rely on, you know,
Speaker 4: being the comedian. You diversify your work so that you know,
Speaker 4: like this podcast or writing your book, you just diversify
Speaker 4: your career so you're not just pigeonholed into one place.
Speaker 1: Well, it's always I always find you always need to
Speaker 1: be working on something that is just for you in
Speaker 1: the initial stages and hopefully later on becomes you know,
Speaker 1: for lots of people, and you can invite people into
Speaker 1: help with it or you know, and then it's just
Speaker 1: for your audience. But but I feel like you need
Speaker 1: to have something you're working on where you're kind of
Speaker 1: go and that's it's almost I find it really exciting
Speaker 1: where I've kind of got this idea and I'm not
Speaker 1: letting anyone know about it yet, but I've got it
Speaker 1: and it's going to work on work on it a
Speaker 1: little bit more to find this, you know, before I
Speaker 1: kind of take it, you know, to marketing.
Speaker 2: You like, it's really exciting. But I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I think in this industry you just need to, particularly
Speaker 1: in Australia, you need to and you do it so well.
Speaker 1: I mean, well everyone's kind of gone to Twitter and
Speaker 1: TikTok and you have like this gone LinkedIn is my baby, Yes,
Speaker 1: and you're killing it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you. I know it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes.
Speaker 1: I think when you came on the project, I said, oh,
Speaker 1: you should like massive on LinkedIn. I said, you won't
Speaker 1: want to check that. I think I think you're thinking
Speaker 1: Facebook or something. LinkedIn I think is that where people
Speaker 1: go for like they haven't got a job or something,
Speaker 1: and but like you have, like you have built an
Speaker 1: audience there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because there's no creatives on there. It's f Linder's boring,
Speaker 4: so boring, And I decided to go and then dance,
Speaker 4: and then somehow on that journey diversified and told them, hey,
Speaker 4: I'm actually a comedian.
Speaker 6: Hey, I'm actually an actor.
Speaker 4: To oh look, I've got a I've got a show
Speaker 4: called The Snort Cars and I interview comedians during a
Speaker 4: lockdown to talk about their processes of how to be
Speaker 4: funny because business people they want to be funny.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why they tune in because no one's going
Speaker 4: to give them a workshop about how to be funny.
Speaker 4: And what I found and you know, with the lockdown
Speaker 4: and everything in comedy festival canceling last year was that
Speaker 4: we as comedians just relied on the final product, which
Speaker 4: was standing up on stage.
Speaker 6: But there's so much process for us before we.
Speaker 4: Get on stage. And that's why the Snort cast is important,
Speaker 4: because I wanted people to see the process of how
Speaker 4: you got to be where you are here instead of
Speaker 4: the final speak Netflix special. Yes, you know, and the
Speaker 4: audience really loved it, and you know, they stayed on,
Speaker 4: like we went over time with your interview because they
Speaker 4: were so immersed in how you've created your work and
Speaker 4: your world and it wasn't just I'm a stand up comedian.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So that's what I'm trying to show on LinkedIn so
Speaker 4: that they appreciate the press off the arts, because our
Speaker 4: process isn't appreciated, you know. Yeah, So that was really
Speaker 4: wonderful for me to do that on the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. So it's so impressive, so impressive.
Speaker 1: Back to Bill and Ted, I did like, in fact,
Speaker 1: let's play, we went to that Beethoven at Beethoven seen
Speaker 1: before It is. I think it's one of the standout
Speaker 1: scenes le's have listened to it. I mean it really is.
Speaker 1: It really is just score and some some chaos, but
Speaker 1: it is. I found that sequence the most enjoyable in
Speaker 1: the film, where you know, it's a classic American shopping
Speaker 1: mall and it's just fun.
Speaker 4: And the people from all eras just kind of figure
Speaker 4: out what what is the mall?
Speaker 6: What is this?
Speaker 4: Why is this piano playing music to me when I'm
Speaker 4: not touching it?
Speaker 1: And the joy that Beethoven feels when he, you know,
Speaker 1: and he hears the electric kind of or the synth,
Speaker 1: What do what you call it a synth of the
Speaker 1: electronic organ is fun yeah.
Speaker 6: No, and I think we could hear.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it was on the clip as well,
Speaker 4: but Napoleon going down a water.
Speaker 2: Slide, yes, which I thought was funny as well, when
Speaker 2: they go when you get it, where will where will
Speaker 2: Napoleon be? And Waterloo is final stand.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they try to get abba for the rights,
Speaker 1: but it was fun played by an Australian actor, Terry Camileary.
Speaker 6: That's que at Australian references in this show.
Speaker 1: Well, the song the song yes Yes, and counter Reeves
Speaker 1: shot the Matrix in Sydney.
Speaker 4: Did live in Sydney when he was like one to
Speaker 4: three years old. Yes, his dad was a diplomat, so
Speaker 4: they traveled a fair bit.
Speaker 2: Research. Well played.
Speaker 1: I did want to find myself wondering during why We're
Speaker 1: Bill and Ted chosen Yes and then you kind of
Speaker 1: you do learn that lariety, but it's again it's so flimsy,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter. It's it's you get to when
Speaker 1: you make a film, You get to build your own
Speaker 1: boundaries and your own world and your own culture within that.
Speaker 1: And this very early on lets us know they don't
Speaker 1: care and in a really you know, endearing way. This
Speaker 1: is not this is not the time travel, this is
Speaker 1: not back to the future. This is this is Bill
Speaker 1: and Ted's And it reminded me to a degree of
Speaker 1: like Life of Brian in a way where you can
Speaker 1: see how money Python had these ideas of sketches almost
Speaker 1: set plays that you would put in the time of Jesus.
Speaker 1: And this is an American version where you go, okay,
Speaker 1: what if we put these meatheads in these you know,
Speaker 1: with these historical figures and then there's kind of sketches
Speaker 1: in a way, it's not as sharp in my mind
Speaker 1: as Life of Brian. I think Life Brian is one
Speaker 1: of the all time great comedies of all time. I
Speaker 1: don't quite have this in that realm, but you know,
Speaker 1: you can see if you're generous enough to see.
Speaker 4: I have to check it out. I haven't seen it
Speaker 4: in Life of Brian. Life of Brian, Okay, that's on
Speaker 4: my list.
Speaker 1: That is you know, for a lot of people that
Speaker 1: is maybe up there. You know, well, it's the greatest
Speaker 1: comedy of all time. But it comes with its own
Speaker 1: you know, like it's piss take of religion. So depending
Speaker 1: on where you stand on on religion. But yeah, generally,
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think this is a fun film.
Speaker 7: You guys are really us what number we think enough?
Speaker 6: Sixty nine dudes.
Speaker 1: I have I don't have any any bad feelings to
Speaker 1: anyone who might rate this as their favorite film.
Speaker 2: Good on you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's a joyful, joyful experience, like the
Speaker 4: two two teenagers rocking it out in their garage music
Speaker 4: ship and then listening to each other.
Speaker 1: And their mates and they kind of they kind of
Speaker 1: got each other's band. Yes, you know that's lovely.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know they then blow it up with
Speaker 4: his presentation out of nowhere, like the text working.
Speaker 1: Again, don't care, we do not care. We don't care
Speaker 1: about that, We don't care about the dad's now happy.
Speaker 1: You know the military whole military school mistakes that are
Speaker 1: just kind of like whacked in their shoehorning there, like
Speaker 1: the whole at the start, you're going to military school
Speaker 1: if you don't pass the examle.
Speaker 4: And you just reminded me in that scene when they
Speaker 4: do the presentation, Ted's dad comes into the theater. Yes,
Speaker 4: and I just remember it's like when my mom came,
Speaker 4: like save dad, he didn't go to military school.
Speaker 6: Oh that it was. Yeah. Wow, I just had a realization.
Speaker 6: There you go. I really love the.
Speaker 1: Movie watching it again straight away. We love a we
Speaker 1: love a fun fact. And I did love the It's
Speaker 1: always nice and watching old films and seeing the old
Speaker 1: eighties graphics. I did like actually when they went to
Speaker 1: Socrates and they said the only They quoted Socrates by saying,
Speaker 1: I think the only wisdom is knowing that you know nothing,
Speaker 1: and then.
Speaker 2: They say that's us. It was that was pretty perfect.
Speaker 7: So, pricks, the only true wisdom consists of knowing that
Speaker 7: you know nothing. That's us dude. Oh yeah, let's bag them.
Speaker 2: Yeah's you am on em?
Speaker 7: How's it going, Unbill?
Speaker 6: This is ted.
Speaker 7: We're from the future, so grantis mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Now what.
Speaker 9: I don't know.
Speaker 7: Philosophies with him, all we are is dust in the
Speaker 7: wind dude, dust Win dude.
Speaker 9: Oh ah hums, oh no, flank Cornios, let's get.
Speaker 2: And I also like the fact that they just walked
Speaker 2: up to Socrates.
Speaker 1: The Socrates is in the middle of this kind of
Speaker 1: at the academy I imagine, you know, in ancient Greece,
Speaker 1: and and Billing to just just walk up to.
Speaker 4: Him and just touch the.
Speaker 1: Quite days of our lives. Yeah. I did also love
Speaker 1: at the end of the before they do their their
Speaker 1: tech heavy, unrehearsed presentation, the the jock who's making the speech,
Speaker 1: he knows nothing, but he just pulls out. They're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: go team or whatever he says, and that's enough to
Speaker 1: get the cheers.
Speaker 4: Well, you know Americans they love their sport, don't they.
Speaker 4: Y Yeah, that's where they live on.
Speaker 1: But it kind of what it does quite cleverly, I think,
Speaker 1: is subtly raises like makes you feel that Bill and
Speaker 1: Ted are and have been the underdogs in this that
Speaker 1: they aren't. We don't really see them with any other friends,
Speaker 1: you know, so we just assume they probably you know,
Speaker 1: they haven't got girlfriends. They they've got each other, which
Speaker 1: is nice, and they.
Speaker 6: Don't go into the sadness like oh this is really sad.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of like, oh it's okay, yeah, you
Speaker 4: know dude. And then when they pick up the two
Speaker 4: ladies back in the medical legal times, I think, and
Speaker 4: he does a speech you know, I'm trying to woo
Speaker 4: her and they get turned on by it because of
Speaker 4: a song lyric or something like there's no there's this beautiful.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say cockiness, but you know they were. They
Speaker 4: were really in tune with them who they really were.
Speaker 4: Even though there's nothing in their brain. There was just
Speaker 4: like it's missing from the teenage because there's.
Speaker 2: Nothing in there. There's nothing in their brains, but their
Speaker 2: their hearts are full.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know Bill and Ted are both there,
Speaker 1: and there's two you know, English maidens.
Speaker 7: I am Ted of San Dimas and bring to you
Speaker 7: a message of love.
Speaker 6: From who?
Speaker 8: From from myself?
Speaker 6: And what is this message you speak of?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 7: Oh, you beautiful beabes from England for whom we have
Speaker 7: traveled through time.
Speaker 8: Will you got the problem with us? In San Dimas?
Speaker 7: We will have a most triumphant time.
Speaker 1: It's Bill who gives Ted the advice. He's not he's
Speaker 1: not even looking out for himself at that stage. You know,
Speaker 1: he's helping. He's made out. He's quite quote a song lyric,
Speaker 1: and I'm surprised in that moment they didn't maybe quote
Speaker 1: I think he comes up with his own lyric.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure it's based on but I'm surprised I.
Speaker 1: Maybe didn't pull out like a classic, you know, goofy
Speaker 1: kind of song lyric. Whitney Houston song lyric or something.
Speaker 6: I will always love you, Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2: I'll believe the children of the future.
Speaker 6: I want to dance with somebody.
Speaker 1: Yes, but hey, it survived this long, it doesn't need
Speaker 1: my help. There's some fun fact before we go in
Speaker 1: the original script. So they wrote the script over four
Speaker 1: days in coffee shop, which I mentioned. I'm imagine that
Speaker 1: was the first draft because they were changes made as
Speaker 1: they went along. So in the original script they went
Speaker 1: and basically Bill and Ted were responsible for all the
Speaker 1: tragedies of the past, like the Titanic, the Hindenburg crash,
Speaker 1: So all these things, a terrible thing that happened, Bill
Speaker 1: and Ted were responsible for it. Kind of it's a
Speaker 1: little bit like Forrest Gump in a way. That was
Speaker 1: Forrest Gump was obviously there for a lot of history's
Speaker 1: great moments, and in the I think in the Book
Speaker 1: of Forrest Gump, if I'm remembering correctly, he was like
Speaker 1: there was a lot more stuff he was there for,
Speaker 1: like really massively significant moments, and I think, if I
Speaker 1: might be wrong, but maybe there were things that also
Speaker 1: kind of went wrong that he was there for. So
Speaker 1: Forrest Gump, I think comes out about five or six
Speaker 1: years after this, so it's an interesting little kind of crossover.
Speaker 6: Wow, the valley is very different.
Speaker 1: I think Robertson Makis was going for something a little
Speaker 1: different than Stephen Herrick was with Bill and Ted in
Speaker 1: the original script. Also, the time machine was a Chevy truck,
Speaker 1: but they thought it was too similar to the Dolorean
Speaker 1: in Back to the Future, which is I think a
Speaker 1: good call. The weird thing about that is, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure our audience is already ahead of me, Diana, but
Speaker 1: they went with a phone box, which of course is
Speaker 1: the most famous time traveling device out of Doctor Who,
Speaker 1: which dates back to i think nineteen sixty three, So
Speaker 1: Americans being Americans, it was slightly a strange pivot.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you like.
Speaker 2: Finally one for music fans here.
Speaker 1: It's worth pointing out when Bill and Ted traveled to
Speaker 1: the future and see their adoring fans and the you know,
Speaker 1: they tell them to be excellent and all that. The
Speaker 1: center most future Dude is a man by the name
Speaker 1: of Clarence Clemens, who is the sax player in Bruce
Speaker 1: Springsteen's E Street and he's most famous for his solo
Speaker 1: on the classic Springsteen song Born to Run so that
Speaker 1: is Clarence Clemens sitting in the middle there. Wow, you
Speaker 1: a Springsteen fan?
Speaker 6: Yeah? I loved one of his songs, Secret Garden. Do
Speaker 6: you remember, Yeah, very.
Speaker 1: Current, All the hardcore spring Springsteen songs always go for
Speaker 1: Secret Garden.
Speaker 2: That's the first time I get it's obvious. It's too obvious, Diana.
Speaker 6: Pop culture looking at it.
Speaker 1: Hey, thank you so much for joining us. I know
Speaker 1: this podcast comes with homework, and it was only ninety minutes. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know you avoided the two and a half hour
Speaker 1: you know, classic the epics. Yeah, where can people find you?
Speaker 1: Where are your handles?
Speaker 4: Yes, my handles, so you know, with a pandemic, I
Speaker 4: pivoted with all my handles, so all my handles are
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Speaker 6: You can find it all there.
Speaker 4: You can check out the snort Cast by just popping
Speaker 4: the snort Cast on every social media platform. You'll find
Speaker 4: the snot casts and listen to interviews. But yeah, let's mean,
Speaker 4: I'll we do still doing stand up everywhere somewhere, So
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Speaker 2: Show, a lot of that, a lot of our great
Speaker 2: mates to there is a fantastic podcast. Check it out. Diana,
Speaker 2: thank you so much and great to see you.
Speaker 6: Thank you, And I'm going to say one thing, be
Speaker 6: excellent to each other.
Speaker 5: Dude, dude, Yes, indeed a feel good film, Bill and
Speaker 5: Ted's Excellent Adventure, And hopefully that was a feel good
Speaker 5: chat with the amazing and I just I love the
Speaker 5: way she goes about it.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure you could be hearing a lot more.
Speaker 1: And Diana's mum's listening. Your daughter's great and I know you,
Speaker 1: I know you know that now, and she's gonna be fine.
Speaker 1: She's going to be working many for many, many years
Speaker 1: in this crazy show business. So thank you Dane for
Speaker 1: coming by and chatting about Bill and Ted's excellent Adventure,
Speaker 1: a movie I had not seen, Derek Mayers Castaways Studios.
Speaker 1: Had you seen you or you had seen I know
Speaker 1: you had seen Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure because you
Speaker 1: had you had grabs ready to go. Are you wearing
Speaker 1: a Wild Stadion's hoodie.
Speaker 8: I sure am. I love my Wild Stallions.
Speaker 2: What's your favorite? Is there a favorite wild Stadian song
Speaker 2: that you.
Speaker 8: I've got to be honest with you, I don't know any.
Speaker 2: Are there any?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Well, I think we have to wait for the future
Speaker 1: where they they, where they get good for them to
Speaker 1: you know, dominate the universe and bring peace and order
Speaker 1: to the galaxy.
Speaker 8: I love the concept of the Wild Stallions. Myself and
Speaker 8: a bunch of friends are doing a similar thing where
Speaker 8: we just bought some instruments less than a month ago,
Speaker 8: and we were attempting to just play them for just
Speaker 8: so as we're not just sitting there watching TV. I
Speaker 8: suppose we just out.
Speaker 6: It's like a.
Speaker 2: Widget to add to our drinking. Do you have a
Speaker 2: Do you have a band name?
Speaker 8: Yes, we're calling ourselves Midlife. We're all fans of a
Speaker 8: band called Mildlife and messed with the graphics. H nice
Speaker 8: cose graphics first, music musical talent later.
Speaker 1: And then Eddie van Halen third. You'll get him in there.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we're having a great time. It was a
Speaker 1: fun chat with Diana. It was so interesting hearing her
Speaker 1: journey as well. I know we often really stay focused
Speaker 1: on the movie that we're talking about, but it was
Speaker 1: it was particularly this film there wasn't as much deep
Speaker 1: diving and Bill and Ted's as there was something like
Speaker 1: all about evil, there will be blood.
Speaker 2: So it's great to hear her journey, Derek.
Speaker 1: We invite people to email us at Yasny podcast at
Speaker 1: gmail dot com.
Speaker 2: We love hearing from you. Have we got a letter
Speaker 2: that's caught your attention this week?
Speaker 8: I'm very interested in one from Mario Go to Maria.
Speaker 8: He's written in with an interesting angle here on chopper,
Speaker 8: so I'll start here. Hi, Peter, I just wanted to
Speaker 8: send this note to tell you how much I've been
Speaker 8: enjoying listening to your Yasney podcast. Not only are yourself
Speaker 8: and your guests extremely interesting, funny and entertaining, but it
Speaker 8: has given me a reminder of how much I actually
Speaker 8: love watching movies. Nice I also find myself watching them
Speaker 8: in an entirely different light now, paying extra attention to
Speaker 8: the performances, the scenery, and in particular the music score
Speaker 8: for some reason.
Speaker 2: So thank you for your work. Ah.
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's lowly and that's lovely to hear, and
Speaker 1: it's you know, I like that we can do this
Speaker 1: podcast and people will get different things out of it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes there's people reliving one of their favorite movies. Sometimes
Speaker 1: that is enjoying the conversation we're having with the guests.
Speaker 1: Who brings so much to this podcast obviously, but if, yeah,
Speaker 1: if we are pointing out some things that maybe you
Speaker 1: haven't noticed about films and films in general, then that's fantastic.
Speaker 1: I did see Mario's letter and he did also no
Speaker 1: little story, a little personal story he had based around Chopper,
Speaker 1: and I'll just give you some of the highlights. So
Speaker 1: he went with the cee Chopper at Hoyts High Point
Speaker 1: in the year two thousand. It's been about ten years
Speaker 1: as they finished high school. He went with his best
Speaker 1: mate Tony and they're totally immersed in Eric Banner's performance.
Speaker 1: They're loving it there on the edge of their seats
Speaker 1: every scene. And then one scene comes up and it's
Speaker 1: a famous scene with Neville Bartos, of course played by
Speaker 1: Vince Colossimo, and he's obviously asking for cash. Everyone loves
Speaker 1: that scene and he says, of course there's no cash,
Speaker 1: and never Bartos asked that the other bloke in the room.
Speaker 1: He says, Robbo is any cash, and Robbo says no cash,
Speaker 1: superbly delivered by Robbo with his one and only line
Speaker 1: in the movie, Mario says, the shocking part for us
Speaker 1: was that Robbo was actually Tony's mate Sammy from foot
Speaker 1: Grade High school, a guy we hadn't seen in years,
Speaker 1: and the last place we expected to see the bloke
Speaker 1: was up on the big screen. To this day, we
Speaker 1: don't know how he got the role, as he was,
Speaker 1: in his words Mario's words, the furthest thing from an actor.
Speaker 1: But rumor has it he was plucked up the street
Speaker 1: in local Newport while walking his two Roddies, dressed in
Speaker 1: his trademark trackies and thick gold change around his neck.
Speaker 1: I hope that story is true. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it is or not. It's apparently a rumor that got
Speaker 1: around Newport, but I hope that's how Sammy got cast
Speaker 1: as Robbo. That sounds that sounds brilliant. I hope that's true.
Speaker 1: Thank you Mario for that letter. Do you have that
Speaker 1: story is true?
Speaker 8: Well, I just did a bit of a check on
Speaker 8: the IMDb and I looked up the filmography of Robbo
Speaker 8: and it's the only entry Chopper Robbo two thousand. So
Speaker 8: that's the only Sam Hooley entry in IMDb, so he
Speaker 8: didn't go on to an acting career or have one before.
Speaker 1: But it is saying that the role of Robbo was
Speaker 1: played by a Sam Yep fantastic. Well that's true, then
Speaker 1: I'm taking it to the bank.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: Maybe Sam needs to get at and Walky's rot wheelers
Speaker 1: a bit more often to get some more roles. Going
Speaker 1: to see him back on the big screen next week
Speaker 1: on the show. Very excited to have a second member
Speaker 1: of Untie Donner joining us here at the Casways studios
Speaker 1: for You See Nothing Yet. Mark Samuel Bnano will be
Speaker 1: joining us to discuss a movie that well, we're always
Speaker 1: going to get to and I'm surprised it's taken until
Speaker 1: halfway through season two to get to it. It is
Speaker 1: the awesome Wells classic, the film regarded perhaps by many
Speaker 1: as the greatest film ever made, Citizen Kane.
Speaker 2: We will be discussed with Mark next week. I love Mark.
Speaker 1: I love the stuff he's done with Arnie Donna, the
Speaker 1: stuff he's done outside of Arni Donna as well. He's
Speaker 1: a fantastic bloke, very funny man, and I can't wait
Speaker 1: to see what he thinks.
Speaker 2: I feel it.
Speaker 1: There's a bit of pressure on with this one. You know,
Speaker 1: it's Citizen Kane. It's a classic, so you know it's
Speaker 1: not well, there are classics the film we're talking about,
Speaker 1: but this is like genuinely regarded as the classics. So
Speaker 1: fingers Cristi is a film I've seen many times. I'm
Speaker 1: sure many of you have to. Let's see what Mark
Speaker 1: Samuel Bnaro feels about it next week. And you ain't
Speaker 1: seen nothing yet, Rosebud. And so we leave Old Pete
Speaker 1: save fan Salt, and to our friends of the radio audience,
Speaker 1: we've been a pleasant good name.