1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: And of course it is Friday morning. It is time 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: for the week that was. And I tell you what, 3 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: if we thought that every week it was the most 4 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: listened to hour of radio, this week will certainly not disappoint. 5 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: There has been a lot happening. And well it's a 6 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 1: small group of us this morning. But don't let that 7 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: fool you because joining me from the colp is Bill Yam. 8 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: Good morning to you. 9 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 3: Bill, Good morning Katie. 10 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: And we've got the independent member for Goidter, Keezy Appuric, 11 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: good morning to you. 12 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 4: Morning Katie, and all our friends in here too. 13 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: Well just us today because us well that's exactly right. 14 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 2: Trust me. 15 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: I'm not worried about us having no shortage of things 16 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: to talk about, that's for certain. 17 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 4: Matt Cunningham may come in, well, Matt, you. 18 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: Might pop in, well see how he's going. 19 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: I know that he and Tom Morgan and all of 20 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,919 Speaker 1: the other journalists around the Northern Territories certainly camped outside 21 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: Parliament House. 22 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: I think keys out there. 23 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 4: I believe the media with brigonies cameras are out the 24 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 4: rear entrance, the back edges, because that's the entrance where 25 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 4: we all drive in. So for members to come for 26 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 4: their caucus, meaning of course you can have to drive 27 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 4: to park in their parking spots and that's the back 28 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 4: of the house. Well, and then they have to stop 29 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 4: to do the past to get in. 30 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: Well, let's talk a little bit about this, because Wednesday 31 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: was of course meant to be all about the budget. 32 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: We had all bunkered down to hear how the Northern 33 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: Territori's finances were, looking our debt and deficit levels, where 34 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 1: investment was going to be made, and where we might 35 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: see savings measures, and we'll talk about that after. But 36 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: by eleven o'clock on Tuesday was it Tuesday, we learned 37 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: that Michael Gunner had resigned as the Chief Minister, citing 38 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: family as the reason behind the abrupt departure. Now, shall 39 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: we go first to who we think is going to 40 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 1: be the next chief Minister or should we talk about 41 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: his abrupt departure first? 42 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 4: Maybe maybe I'll go for I've changed my mind. I 43 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 4: mean I'm going to jump in. I think it's not good. 44 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 4: I think it's deplorable what the past Chief Minister, Michael 45 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 4: Gunner did, he was the treasurer. He took the Treasury 46 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 4: of put Fio off Nicole Manison for whatever, and presumably 47 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 4: for the last twelve months or six months, he's been 48 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 4: crafting the budget with the treasury officials. He delivers the 49 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 4: budget and following the budget normally there's question times about 50 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 4: the budget and then you do lunches and talk about 51 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 4: to industry and then of course estimates is next month 52 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 4: where the opposition and people like myself quiz the government 53 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 4: on the budget. Now Michael Gunner has gone in, delivered 54 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 4: the budget, dropped it and immediately left the building. Elvis Gunner, 55 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 4: he walked out. He's advocated his role and responsibilities, I believe, 56 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 4: and once again true to form, he's left it to 57 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 4: Nicole Madison and Natasha Files to pick up the slack 58 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 4: for where he's left it. So I think it's an 59 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 4: insult not only to his colleagues, it's an insult to 60 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 4: people like me and. 61 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 2: Bill for the whole of the territory. 62 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 4: Though I take nothing away from his desire to be 63 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 4: with his family and to love his children. But you know, 64 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 4: he says, oh, I held my second son in my arms, 65 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 4: and then I realized my heart and head weren in 66 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 4: it anymore. Well, what kind of decisions has he been 67 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 4: making for the last few months? With his head not 68 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 4: in it. 69 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: But also if your heart in your head aren't in 70 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: it anymore, how can you still be the member for 71 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: Fanny Bay. And that's I think this is the big 72 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 1: point here. 73 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: They're not we know why. 74 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 4: He's not going to quit because it would be a 75 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,239 Speaker 4: by election and they would lose. I don't care whether 76 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 4: he's got a massive margin. Members in the past have 77 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 4: lost their seats with massive margins. I think Denis Burk 78 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 4: was one of them out Palmerston Away when he had 79 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 4: a massive margin and he still lost his seat. That 80 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 4: seat would fall to the COLP. I have no doubt 81 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 4: about it, and I would put a lot of money 82 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 4: on it. That's why. So it's it's Guttler's you know, 83 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 4: he's going to sit in his office electoral office, and 84 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 4: I'm sure he'll be nice and you know, help his 85 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 4: constituents and all that sort of stuff. But is he 86 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 4: really still going to be wielding the wielding that is he. 87 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 3: Actually going to be working for his constituents and working. 88 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 4: For the going to be cuddling babies all that time? 89 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 2: Well, that's the big question. I one hundred sure of Bill. 90 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 5: What was your time well to walk in and as 91 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 5: key said to take the treasury portfolio off Nicole man 92 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 5: after the last election and say that he is the 93 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 5: person to be the treasurer to lead the territory. Okay, 94 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 5: he delivered his first budget and stuck around for that. 95 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 5: Then there was another ministerial statement on the budget I 96 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 5: think late last year, but he delivered and then again 97 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 5: walked out of the House and left it to Nicole Madison. 98 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 5: And then we're see on Tuesday, he comes in and 99 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 5: delivers a budget and effectively walks away from it, walks 100 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 5: away from that budget, effectively quits, quits on Territori, and 101 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 5: quits on his own party and quits. 102 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 3: On Parliament and it walks out the door. 103 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 5: And again he leaves the leaves, the hard work and 104 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 5: the heavy lifting to to Nicole Madison and Natasha Files 105 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 5: And where is where is that? 106 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 3: Actually? 107 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 4: I suppose right for them, right for Parliament and right 108 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 4: for territory. 109 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: A very interesting part about this as well is you know, 110 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: you would think if it was something that was planned, 111 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: this succession plan would be in place as well. But 112 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: that is where Atlantis now this morning, where everybody's wondering 113 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: exactly who's going to wind up northern territories next Chief Minister. 114 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: It is looking as though it's a two horse race 115 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: between Nicole Madison and Natasha Files. 116 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: Very capable, but yeah, they are both very capable. 117 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: But I've got to tell you, I think that's the 118 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: if the party is to decide to take Nicole Madison 119 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 1: as their leader as their next leader, I think that 120 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: a lot of Territorians are really going to see that 121 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: as the same government. 122 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 2: With a different lead up, different person in place. 123 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 4: Heady. The one thing I will say to jump in 124 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 4: that the party, the Labour Party, has to be exceptionally 125 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 4: careful careful about who they appoint or elect as their 126 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 4: new chief minister because Nicole Madison has been the Police 127 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 4: Minister for the last twelve months or four years, whatever 128 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 4: it's been, and it's when she's been the police Minister 129 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 4: that we've seen this horrendous escalation in climate levels, particularly 130 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 4: Paul alispras bastards and of course of arrest and charging 131 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 4: and all that sort of stuff, plus the crime in 132 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 4: darn I'll ac called into my servo local servo this 133 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 4: morning to fill up with fuel and they've got a 134 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 4: massive bloody window all board it up so. 135 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: Well, and this is I think the risk that they run. 136 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: You know, this is the risk that they run at 137 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: the moment. I honestly think that you know, whether it's 138 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: Natasha Files, whether it's Evil Lawler, whether it's somebody else 139 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: that's in the in the you know, in the cabinet, 140 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 1: that they need to actually be looking for somebody new, 141 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: someone fresh, somebody who comes in with different eyes and thinks, 142 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: all right, we need to be open and transparent again. 143 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: Do we need to go back to having an independent 144 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: speaker or an independently appointed speaker. Do we need to 145 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: have a review into the issues that we're having with 146 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: crime and that select committee into the issues with crime, 147 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: and we will take a closer look at that after. 148 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: But somebody who's prepared to come in and make some 149 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: tough decisions early on, make their mark and get things moving, 150 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: because right now people are really concerned with a number 151 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: of things. But if the Labor Party thinks that people 152 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: aren't noticing the way that they've become totally closed off 153 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: to the community and that they are not open and 154 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: transparent as they promised to be, well they are going 155 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: to be facing two years of continue. 156 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 2: It's going to continue exactly how it is, like. 157 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 5: Michael Gunner walked out of the chamber after his budget 158 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 5: speech and didn't set foot. 159 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 3: Back in the place this week. 160 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 5: So we raised a number of things around crime, select committees, 161 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 5: parliamentary committees, and all we got was Michael Gunner at 162 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 5: two point zero with Nicole Madison. She was the epitome 163 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 5: of Michael Gunner, shut everything down, didn't want to talk 164 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 5: about chrome, didn't want to talk about the issues that 165 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 5: were really relevant to territory ends, and didn't want to 166 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 5: admit the crime crisis that we're facing across the territory. 167 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 5: And it's like it was like Michael Gunner was in 168 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 5: the room, but wasn't in the room that the ghost 169 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 5: of all the minister, the Member for Fanny Bay was 170 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 5: being channeled through Nicole Madison. And as we said, it's 171 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 5: the same circus and the same clowns. 172 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: So tip, who do you reckon's going to take this 173 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: chief minister? 174 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 2: Who's going to get the top job? 175 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 4: Well, just let me look at my Betty site. 176 00:07:58,880 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 2: Is it on there? 177 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: I haven't looked the other day and I couldn't say 178 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: on that. 179 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: Excuse me? 180 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 4: Look how much is in my account? And that's from 181 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 4: betting on politics. I don't bet on things I don't know. 182 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: Are you allowed to do that? Yeah, surely you are, 183 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 2: do you reckon? 184 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 4: I've said before publicly all parties have factions, the COLP 185 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 4: to a lesser extent, I think than say the Labor Party. 186 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 4: But you know clearly Nicole Madison and Natasha Files are 187 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 4: the two front runners. But I think Evil All is 188 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 4: in the mix there as well. I agree that's it 189 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,239 Speaker 4: those three. Joel Bowden might have been a good footballer, 190 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 4: but that doesn't necessarily translate to being a good member of parliament. 191 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 4: I reckon he was a decoy runner and he's been 192 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 4: there only for I don't know, five minutes or something. 193 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 4: So good on him for having ambitions. I have no 194 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 4: issue with that. But I think it really comes down 195 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 4: to Nicole and Natasha. And my tip would be to 196 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 4: go on with Natasha. 197 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 5: Look is age old saying Katie, it'll be harder to 198 00:08:58,440 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 5: pick than a broken nose. 199 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,719 Speaker 4: Of course. Yeah, look you've got You've got your. 200 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 5: Two front runners with Natasha and Nicole, and both very 201 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 5: capable people, both. 202 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 4: Got very strong followings and the support. 203 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 5: But as we've said here, yeah, Joe Bown's quite ambitious, 204 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 5: He's I don't think he's made. 205 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 3: His position known, and I know that looking at him, look. 206 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 5: Watching him your apart when Michael going to resign, he 207 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 5: was a pretty happy looking camper when I see him. 208 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 4: Also, if someone like Joe Barden does come through and 209 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 4: be a deputy, for example, then they're going to have 210 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 4: to elect a new Deputy Speaker. Yeah so, And clearly 211 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 4: obviously whoever becomes the Chief Minister and deputy, they will 212 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 4: be arranged some of the portfolios. I think they would 213 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 4: be unwise to have a massive reshuffle because it takes 214 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 4: a while to as an independent member, it takes a 215 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 4: while to form an engagement relationship with the Minister's office 216 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 4: about portfolio and mine. Clearly I have a lot to 217 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 4: do with Evil Lawla's office and Evil Lawler because of 218 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 4: planning an environmental award and all that sort of stuff. 219 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 2: So some of them need a bit of a reshuffle. 220 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 4: Some would probably need clearly police find emergency services, perhaps 221 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 4: corrections needs you how your valley would come home? But 222 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,719 Speaker 4: I think it's it's about if they want stability, they 223 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 4: can't move around too many of the cheers. 224 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: Well, look, I've been getting asked a lot what I 225 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: think is going to happen this morning? And personally, I 226 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:19,839 Speaker 1: think that I think that it is going to be 227 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: a two horse race. I do think that we're going 228 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: to see Natasha Files Nicole Madison up against each other. 229 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: But I don't think that the left side of the 230 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 1: party is going to be prepared to give it up 231 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: without a fight. And I reckon that we could wind 232 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: up with a rank and file vote, you know, going 233 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: to ballot throughout the whole Labor Party if they can't 234 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: come to a consensus. But then I wonder whether the 235 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: right side of the Labor Party have got a backup 236 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: plan and whether that backup plan is okay if Mano 237 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: is not going to get up, how about someone like 238 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 1: even plotting in through the middle. Yeah, but whether the 239 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: whole caucus is prepared to agree that with that? But 240 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: also the other part of this is we know that 241 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: there is left and right sides of the Labor Party, 242 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: the faction, a. 243 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 4: Couple of them aligned. 244 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 2: And then what about Mark Turner? 245 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 4: What about Mark Turner? Member for blame. Mark Turner is 246 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 4: an elective member to Parliament and he belongs to the 247 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 4: Labor Party. Now, my understanding in the Labor Party constitution 248 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 4: is that the elected Labor members of Parliament get to 249 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 4: vote for the new Chief. 250 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 2: Minister, so he would get a vote, as. 251 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 4: I understand it. So it's not just about the caucus 252 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 4: members of which he's not part of any it's the 253 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 4: elected members. So if he's president, well he's present, but 254 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 4: that could put an interesting slant on things. So I 255 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 4: just know that that's the position. So whether he's knocking 256 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 4: on the door at the moment saying part of this 257 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 4: arrangement and part of this meeting, we don't know. I 258 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 4: guess we'll find out. 259 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: We will will certainly find out. 260 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 1: And it has to be an unanimous decision, doesn't they 261 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: have to, Actually they've got to come to it. I 262 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: don't know an actual decision as a team. 263 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 5: I'm not exactly sure how their internal party stuff works 264 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 5: with Well, look at the what would just go back 265 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 5: and toss out another general election and let the public 266 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 5: where the territory, but the territory choose the. 267 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 3: Next Chief Inness. 268 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: Well I've been a few listeners asking that throughout the week, 269 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: but I don't know that it's going to happen. 270 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 4: No where, For the listeners were locked into set terms 271 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 4: for these set terms under the legislation, So if were 272 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 4: to have an early election. We'd have to first of 273 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 4: all change the electoral before that out, So people, it's 274 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 4: not till August twenty twenty four, the third week in August. 275 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 4: That's when the next general election. 276 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 5: I suppose you look at the effectiveness now of the 277 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 5: Member for Fanny Bay, Michael Gunner over the coming years. Now, 278 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 5: is he actually going to do anything? Is he just 279 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 5: going to sit there and take the salary? Is he 280 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 5: going to sit there and wait for a few months 281 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 5: and then actually and then actually resign and go somewhere else. 282 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 5: I think there are the questions that a lot of 283 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 5: people are asking, and a lot of people, a lot 284 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 5: of people want. 285 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 4: To know Katie. The other thing too, and clear, I'm 286 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 4: not a great support of Labor Party and their policies 287 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,599 Speaker 4: and principles. But he's done this in the middle of 288 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 4: a federal election. 289 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 2: It's quite unbelievable. 290 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 4: And I have heard in my contacts that the federal 291 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 4: Labor views are not very happy with him because he's 292 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 4: done that is distracted from the campaign up here, whatever 293 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 4: campaign they've got, and it's like shiny thing in the corner. 294 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 4: So he's focusing on him and not. 295 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 2: Other I guess the other thing is though. 296 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: You know, if I was, if I was Gosling, I'd 297 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: probably be thinking, well, I actually don't mind, because you know, 298 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: because he is the because Michael Gunner is the person 299 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: that everybody's blaming for everything, and now he's out, so 300 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: it could actually do him a good. 301 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 5: It's been quite evident right throughout the leading to the 302 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 5: federal election campaign. 303 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 3: Where's Michael Gunner. He's been nowhere to be seen campaign. 304 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 6: No. 305 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 5: I think he's gone to ground as well as a 306 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 5: number of there are other members saying staying out of 307 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 5: the line, like keeping quiet and just letting the Feds 308 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 5: get on with it, because the Feds, I don't think 309 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 5: want to be associated with territory labor. 310 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 3: That's for sure. 311 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: We're going to take a very short break, and we 312 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: will certainly keep you all up to date with everything 313 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: that's going on as soon as we get any word 314 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: from that caucus room eight nine four one one o 315 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 1: fort nine. If you'd like to call through, if you 316 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: want to send us a message today zero four double 317 00:13:58,200 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: nine seven double one. 318 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 2: Three six zero. 319 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: You are of course listening to the week that was 320 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: with Billyan and Keesy Epuric, Well, you are listening to 321 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: the week that was It is just twenty three minutes 322 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: after nine o'clock. 323 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 2: If you've just joined us in the studio, is Bill 324 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: Yan and. 325 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: Kezia Puric No Labor repped today because they're all in 326 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: there making sure that their vote counts, aren't. 327 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 4: They We're missing labor. Natasha is always good in here. 328 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 4: We're either I think we're. 329 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: Either going to wind up in a situation where Natasha's 330 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: on the week that was every week as just a 331 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: member of the backbench or the parliament, or we may 332 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: never see her again. 333 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 4: Get a chief Minister on the week was Katie. 334 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, got to be something different, you never know. 335 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 4: I would hope she would do so because she's pretty well. 336 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 4: I think I've got pretty fond of Natasha's. People know it, 337 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 4: and I'm like colon, like all of them to some 338 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 4: mortal lessons. 339 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 3: Just depends like some more than others. 340 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 4: I like some more than others. Yeah, no such thing 341 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 4: as bad wine. Just some are better than others. But 342 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 4: they've really got to get this is distracting. It's distracting 343 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 4: from the core problems and the court issues we've got 344 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 4: in our community, both here, Alice springs everywhere else, you know, 345 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 4: and I spoke in the budget reply, like the government 346 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 4: says that you know, there's huge investments in health and 347 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 4: education and it is an investment, you know, building buildings 348 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 4: and all that sort of stuff. But when it comes 349 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 4: to investment of industry, you know, the mining industry is 350 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 4: going okay, but we are the last with the last, 351 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 4: so we're the lowest jurisdiction when it comes to the 352 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 4: expiration dollar per kilometer, Like it's fine to say we're 353 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 4: spending forty million dollars, but what you've got to look at. 354 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 4: People have to look at how much is being spent 355 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 4: per kilometer of expiration and where the last jurisdiction. 356 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 5: Well, you've only even look at the forward estimates, the 357 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 5: forward estimates from that. 358 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 4: So that's what we need to get up. 359 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: We need to well and obviously the budget was well 360 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: was handed down. Now the Northern Territory are government saying 361 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: that that we are expecting to return to a surplus 362 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: earlier than previously. 363 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 2: They've all come up, how well, that's right. 364 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: Those debt levels will continue to grow well and truly 365 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: before then. We do know that you know, our net 366 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: debt's going to reach nine point three billion dollars by 367 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. They're saying it's an improvement of one 368 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: point four or five billion dollars on previous forecast. But 369 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: there is no doubt that the GST had a big 370 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: impact here, and our carve up of the GST has 371 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: had a big impact in terms of making things for. 372 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 3: The federal government. 373 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 5: And that little GST winfall that we got for this year, 374 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 5: our financial position will be far worse than that's currently stated. 375 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 4: But Katie, that's us. We're contributing to the GST because 376 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 4: of inflation, prices are higher. Therefore we're you know, and 377 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 4: some of us are perhaps spending more. I don't know. 378 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 4: You know, all those schemes and grants that government's given 379 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 4: out has made people spend more, which is good. So 380 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 4: we're contributing to our own GST. But you're right, we 381 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 4: got more GST back than we normally live. But that's nice. 382 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 4: But we've got to build our own salts revenues. Now 383 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 4: there's only three ways we can do that. Mark One 384 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 4: is mineral royalties, two is payroll tax, and three is 385 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 4: tim duty stamp duties. I don't know the figures, but 386 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 4: it's probably doing all right with the sale and purchase 387 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 4: of properties and things of that nature. But we have 388 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 4: to build our own source revenues. And my favorite has 389 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 4: always been in the raal. It is people know my 390 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 4: background and that's where we've got to get, you know, 391 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 4: get more investment, get more operating minds. I mean, litium 392 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 4: mind is nice, it's a good mind ten to fourteen 393 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 4: years on known results. We need a mine that's going 394 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 4: for twenty thirty years if you really want to really 395 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 4: build this community in economy again. 396 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 5: But the hybrid tax that labor are putting online terrible 397 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 5: across the territory is not providing certainty for investors. And 398 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 5: of course the timeliness of actually getting approvals for exploration 399 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 5: and we're still years and years and years behind in. 400 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 3: Australia on it. 401 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 5: And as the forward estimates shows no income from mining 402 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 5: for the. 403 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 3: Next twelve months. 404 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 4: And that's really quite sad when you think about it. 405 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 5: When the Governor always up in Parliament throwing out the 406 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 5: lines that the territories to come back capital minds, doing 407 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 5: this morning and doing it all these things are going 408 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 5: to be opening up, well we were. 409 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 4: Is he going to make You've got to look very 410 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 4: careful at all these prospective minds that are on the horizon. 411 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 4: First we've got to look at the commodity that they're mining, 412 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 4: and then you've got to look at the life of 413 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 4: the mine. You know, like they use the expression world 414 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 4: class discovery or deposit. That means a big body and 415 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 4: a ritual body, and there's not many of them on 416 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 4: the horizon. Ryan is fabulous with its with it. It will 417 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 4: go on for years out there with the gold. They've 418 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 4: been in twenty five city years now and now I'll 419 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 4: still keep going and going. Jim Coe's got a mind 420 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 4: life only for about ten years on the known resources, 421 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 4: the manganese mind, so we really need to keep cracking. 422 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 4: And I know Conduct Cards was probably I'll give him 423 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 4: his jues when he was the Mindes minister. It was 424 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 4: probably one of the best labor minds ministers and he 425 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 4: really did go out there and promote underneath. He set 426 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 4: up a scholarship for geological students. He did things that 427 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 4: actually grew, grew the industry, grew the thing from the 428 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 4: grave stuff, got involved with the schools, involved with the 429 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 4: Geological Society and different groups like that. But this government 430 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 4: seems to just want to look at the ferry floss 431 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 4: across the top and not do the hard yards. 432 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 5: Well, in recent months we've had that drop away. Those 433 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,959 Speaker 5: two major projects too were underpinning a lot of their 434 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 5: recovery on so of course the prawns that seems to 435 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 5: have gone by the wayside now and now there's some 436 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 5: issues around the solar project out of the Barkley, Singapore 437 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 5: saying that it's not viable for them to buy that 438 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 5: power from Australia via that sol which which. 439 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 3: So Singapore. It was in the media originally. 440 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 5: Singapore are saying, well, they can get power from Southeast 441 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 5: Asia and from from other means cheaper than they can 442 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 5: get it from some so. 443 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 2: We might keep moving. 444 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: Because there is so much to talk about this morning, 445 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: I have just to word this caucus is meeting right 446 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: now apparently, so hopefully we'll have a better idea of 447 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 1: what's going on. It really will depend how long this 448 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:05,959 Speaker 1: all takes. But I want to read a few of 449 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 1: our listener messages out aways love our listeners. 450 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,959 Speaker 2: Friend taking in front of him. 451 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,719 Speaker 1: There's one here that says Labour needs new blood as 452 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: chief finister. They need to start from scratch and build 453 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: the trust back with the people. Another one here, good 454 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: morning Katie in all honesty, Natasha Files should take Gunner's job. 455 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: She has the experience and has had to do his 456 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: job whilst being hamstrung and front up to the media 457 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: to cop the flak. If anything, Gunner should give her, 458 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: He's half his bae. He certainly didn't earn it. She 459 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: did give credit where it's due and I'm. 460 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 2: With Kezia just checking my tab account haha. Cheers from 461 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 2: mal from the Springs. 462 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: And another one here said, let's go back to Keysier 463 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: as the speaker. She did an amazing job keeping the 464 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: bastards honest and she always kept the circus under control. 465 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 2: Another one good Mone and Katie. 466 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: I think it would be great to see Eva get 467 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: the Chief Minister's position. Mano and Files are arrogant and 468 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: their heads are in the sand regarding crime and extra police. 469 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 2: So they're just some of. 470 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: The messages that are coming through on the text line 471 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: this morning. We might take a very short break when 472 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: we come back, though, I am keen to talk about 473 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: what happened in Parliament this week, with the opposition leader 474 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: obviously calling for the Labor government to support that bipartisan 475 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: approach to combat the territories escalating crime crisis, but it 476 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: was knocked back we'll talk more about that in just 477 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: a couple of moments. Sure, listening to Mix one O 478 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: four nine's three sixty, Well. 479 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 2: You are listening to the week that was? 480 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: It is just twenty three minutes after nine o'clock if 481 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: you've just joined us in the studio. Is Bill Yan 482 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: and Kesiapuic no labor rep today because they're. 483 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 2: All in there making sure that their vote counts, aren't they. 484 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 4: Yes, we're wishing labor Natasha is always good in here. 485 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: We're either I think where are either going to wind 486 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: up in a situation where Natasha's on the week that 487 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: was every week as just a member of the backbench 488 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: or the parliament, or we may never see her again. 489 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 4: Get a chief Minister on the. 490 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 3: To be something different. 491 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 4: I would hope she would do something like that, because 492 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 4: she's pretty well. I think I've got very fond of 493 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 4: the attashed as people know it. And I'm like Nicole 494 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 4: and like all of them to some mortal lessons. Just 495 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 4: depends more than others. I like some more than others. 496 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 4: No such thing as bad wine. Just some are better 497 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 4: than others. But they've really got to get this is distracting. 498 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 4: It's distracting from the core problems and the court ses 499 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 4: we've got in our community, both here, our springs everywhere else, 500 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 4: you know, And I spoke in the budget reply, like 501 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 4: the government says that you know, there's huge investments in 502 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 4: health and education, and it is an investment, you know, 503 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 4: building buildings and all that sort of stuff. But when 504 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 4: it comes to investment of industry, you know, the mining 505 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 4: industry is going okay, but we are the last with 506 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 4: the last, so we're the lowest jurisdiction when it comes 507 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 4: to the expiration dollar per kilometer, Like it's fine to 508 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 4: say we're spending forty million dollars, but what you've got 509 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 4: to look at. People have to look at how much 510 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 4: is being spent per kilometer of expiration and where the 511 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 4: last jurisdiction. 512 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 5: Well, if only look at the forward estimates, the Ford 513 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 5: estimates from so we need to get up. 514 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 2: We need to well. 515 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 1: And obviously the budget was was handed down now the 516 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: Northern Territory government saying that that we are expecting to 517 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: return to a surplus earlier than previously. 518 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 2: You'll come up however, well, that's right. 519 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: Those debt levels will continue to grow well and truly 520 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: before then, we do know that you know, our net 521 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 1: debt's going to reach nine point three billion dollars by 522 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. They're saying it's an improvement of one 523 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: point four or five billion dollars. 524 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 2: On previous forecast. 525 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: But there is no doubt that the GST had a 526 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: big impact here, and our carve up of the GST 527 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: has had a big impact in terms of making things for. 528 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 3: The federal government. 529 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 5: And that little GST winfall that we got for this year, 530 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 5: our financial position will be far worse than that's currently 531 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 5: stated us. 532 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 4: We're contributing to the GST because of inflation, prices are higher. 533 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 4: Therefore where you know, and some of us are perhaps 534 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 4: spending more, I don't know. You know, all those schemes 535 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 4: and grants that governments given out has made people spend more, 536 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 4: which is good. So we're contributing to our own GST. 537 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 4: But you're right, we got more GST back than we 538 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 4: normally live. But that's nice. But we've got to build 539 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 4: our own sales revenues. 540 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 7: Now. 541 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 4: There's only three ways we can do that. One is 542 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 4: mineral royalties, two is payroll tax, and three is stamp 543 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,479 Speaker 4: duty stamp duties. I don't know the figures, but it's 544 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 4: probably doing all right with the sale and purchase of 545 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 4: properties and things of that nature. But we have to 546 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 4: build our own source revenues and my favorite has always 547 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 4: been mineral roalties. People know my background, and that's where 548 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 4: we've got to get, you know, get more investment, get 549 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 4: more operating minds. I mean, lithium mind is nice, it's 550 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 4: a good mind ten to fourteen years on known resources. 551 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 4: We need a mind that's going for twenty thirty years 552 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 4: if you really want to really build this community in 553 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 4: economy again. 554 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 5: But the hybrid tax that labor are putting on as 555 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 5: terrible across the territory is not wanting certainty for investors, 556 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 5: and of course the timeliness of actually getting approvals for 557 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 5: exploration and we're still using years and years behind in. 558 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 4: Australia on it. 559 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 5: And I said, the forward estimates shows no income from 560 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 5: mining for the next twelve months. And that's that's really 561 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 5: quite sad when you think about it. When the Governor 562 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 5: always up in Parliament throwing out the lines that the 563 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 5: territories to come back capital minds, doing this morning and 564 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 5: doing it all these things are going to be opening up. 565 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 4: Well, we're still waiting to. 566 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 3: See these things. 567 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 2: Is it going to make You've got to. 568 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 4: Look a very care for at all these prospective minds 569 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 4: that are on the horizon. First we've got to look 570 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 4: at the commodity that they're mining, and then you've got 571 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 4: to look at the life of the mine. You know, 572 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 4: like they use the expression world class discovery or deposit 573 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 4: that means a bigger body and a ritual body. And 574 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 4: there's not many of them on the horizon. Is fabulous 575 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 4: with its with it will go on for years out 576 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 4: there with the gold. 577 00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 3: They've been twenty five thirty years. 578 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 4: Now and they'll still keep going, and they'll keep going. 579 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 4: Jim Coe's got in mind life only for about ten 580 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 4: years on the known resources, the manganese mind. So we 581 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 4: really need to keep cracking. And I know Contact Scards 582 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 4: was probably I'll give him his dues when he was 583 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 4: the mines minister. It is probably one of the best 584 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 4: labor minds ministers. And he really did go out there 585 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 4: and promote underneath. He set up a scholarship for geological students. 586 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 4: He did things that actually grew, grew the industry, grew 587 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 4: the thing from the grave. Stup got involved with the schools, 588 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 4: got involved with the Geological Society, and different groups like that. 589 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 4: But this government seems to just want to look at 590 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 4: the ferry floss across the top and not do the 591 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 4: hard yards well to. 592 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 5: In recent months we've had that drop away those two 593 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 5: major projects too, underpinning a lot of their recovery on 594 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 5: so of course the prawns that seems to have gone 595 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 5: by the wayside now and now there's some issues around 596 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 5: the solar project out of the Barclay saying that it's 597 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 5: not viable for them the by that power from Australia via. 598 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 2: That with which which. 599 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 4: So Singapore was in the media originally. 600 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 5: Singapore is saying, well, they can get power from Southeast 601 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,959 Speaker 5: Asia and from from other means cheaper than they can 602 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 5: get it from. 603 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: Some We might keep moving because there is so much 604 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: to talk about this morning. I have just heard word 605 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: this caucus is meeting right now apparently, so hopefully we'll 606 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: have a better idea of what's going on. It really 607 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 1: will depend how long this all takes. But I want 608 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: to read a few of our listener messages out Ilight listeners. 609 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 2: Taking my friend, taking fun of your mother. 610 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: There's one here that says Labour needs new blood is 611 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: chief finister. They need to start from scratch and build 612 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: the trust back with the people. 613 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,959 Speaker 2: Another one here, Good morning Katie. 614 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: In all honesty, Natasha Files should take Gunner's job. She 615 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: has the experience and has had to do his job 616 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: whilst being hamstrung and front up to the meet to 617 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: cop the flak. If anything, Gonna should give her He's 618 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: half his bay. 619 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 2: He certainly didn't earn it. 620 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: She did give credit where it's due and I'm with 621 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: Kezier just checking my tab account haha. 622 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 2: Cheers from Mal from the Spruce. 623 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: And another one here said, let's go back to Keysier 624 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: as the speaker. She did an amazing job keeping the 625 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: bastards honest and she always kept the circus under control. 626 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 2: Another one, Good morning, Katie. 627 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: I think it would be great to see Eva get 628 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: the Chief Minister's position. Manow and Files are arrogant and 629 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 1: their heads are in the sand regarding crime and extra police. 630 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: So they're just some of the messages that are coming 631 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: through on the text line this morning. 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Who's going to wind 712 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: up the next Northern Territory Chief Minister. Quite a few 713 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: messages coming through. I've got one here from an anonymous 714 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: texture and it sees if what if Keysier, if you 715 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: think that Natasha's going to be a good chief minister, 716 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: what do you think she might do to my Derick? 717 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:02,479 Speaker 2: And she'll do a good job with that? 718 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 4: Well if I, yes, I do I with the right 719 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 4: advice go out to industry and listen to them. You know, 720 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 4: not just guests go to the Mineral's Council, but there's 721 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 4: also another group of a mining group in town that 722 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 4: Jeff u Penie is involved with, and Brian Fowler from well, 723 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 4: I think Brian's is from our a fewer resources. Go 724 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 4: and talk to industry and talk to people like me 725 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 4: to go and you know, go into the mind's department 726 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 4: and talk to geological survey find out the real story 727 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 4: about the potential of the churity, which is huge. And also, no, 728 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 4: I don't think she's going to be a she wouldn't 729 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 4: be a handbreak on the mining industry a minute. 730 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: I think I do get the impression that Mattow has 731 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: been quite a good minister comes to that. 732 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 4: I think she's listened. Well, we have that annual geological 733 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,239 Speaker 4: conference down in Alla Springs and I know she went 734 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 4: to that and other ministers have in the past, and 735 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 4: that's the kind of thing that you know, we've got 736 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 4: to keep encouraging, you know, whether there's a big mining 737 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 4: conference I think and Sik maybe September. You know, we've 738 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 4: got to get the people, talk to industry, individual operators, 739 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 4: talk to the industry and talk to unions. You know, 740 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 4: they've got to say sometimes on some of these big 741 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,760 Speaker 4: MIND sights, you know about safety, the mind Resue competition under. 742 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 2: Next week I think it is this, Yeah, I've got 743 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 2: someone on a little bit later this. 744 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 4: Morning, you know, supporting and promoting and working with those kinds. 745 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 13: Of Next Saturday night, I think I would like to 746 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,919 Speaker 13: see the mineral resources, oil and gas as well Port 747 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 13: Filow with a very senior minister. 748 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 4: That's where it should sit because it's the industries. It's 749 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 4: the territory's biggest industry, but a long shot and it 750 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 4: should be held by very. 751 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,479 Speaker 3: Seat to drag us out of the whole. 752 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: Well, look, there is a couple of topics that our 753 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 1: listeners are very keen for us to get to this morning. 754 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: One of those is the issue of crime. The other 755 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: is the solar feed in tariff. So we'll go firstly 756 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: to this issue of crime because I know that the 757 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,240 Speaker 1: leader of the opposition, Leo for okrro is well. Yesterday 758 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: she was indeed calling on the Labor government to support 759 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 1: a bipartisan approach to combat the territories escalating crime crisis 760 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: and address catastrophic concerns with the Northern Territory Police is 761 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: what she'd dubbed them. Now she said that they wanted 762 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,399 Speaker 1: to sit down with Labour members add the Independents form 763 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,359 Speaker 1: to form a select parliamentary committee to specifically look at 764 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: crime and the reasons for crime and youth crime in 765 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 1: the territory, recidivism and proven evidence based techniques to decrease offending, 766 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 1: strategies to lower the rates of alcohol related crime, including 767 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: targeted strategies to help habitual abuses. 768 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,720 Speaker 2: Help to get help that they need. 769 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: An audit of Northern Territory policies and spending to identify 770 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,760 Speaker 1: waste and programs that are not achieving results. In addition 771 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: to that, police health and well being, including evaluation of 772 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: where the current programs to look after police are fit 773 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 1: for purpose, as well as identifying those staffing needs of 774 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: police in urban and remote areas. Now to add to that, 775 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,399 Speaker 1: yesterday I spoke to the Police Association's Paul mceu. He said, 776 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: we are on target for our attrition rate to reach eleven. 777 00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 2: Percent, So that's absolutely horrendous. 778 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,840 Speaker 1: Eleven you know, in previous years it's been five six percent. 779 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 1: Eleven percent is massive, and you know, I think that 780 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 1: this is one of the most important areas. We rely 781 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 1: on our police for so much and we've got to 782 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 1: make sure that their mental health is looked after. We've 783 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: got to make sure that they are supported. But we've 784 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: got to stop leaning on them for absolutely everything. There 785 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,320 Speaker 1: are other agencies out there, there are other community groups 786 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: out there that should be supporting people in the community 787 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: as well. 788 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 3: The police are really frustrated. 789 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 5: Katie and when I talk to police members, particularly in 790 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 5: Central Australia. 791 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 3: They're being tasked to pick up everything. 792 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 5: They're the only twenty four to seven organization in town 793 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 5: and they get tasked with everything. A lot of this 794 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 5: stuff should be sitting with territory families, a lot of 795 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 5: things that are happening in our communities that should be 796 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 5: dealt with before the police need to get involved. 797 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 4: And that's where territory families come into play. They need 798 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:56,919 Speaker 4: to be. 799 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 3: Working with families and working with the kids. 800 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 5: To stop these issues happening before they end up with police, 801 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 5: because sadly they're right, they happen after four to twenty 802 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 5: one and then it becomes police's problem. And police have 803 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,359 Speaker 5: been giving given all this work that really is not 804 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 5: theirs and being left to deal with the aftermath. And 805 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 5: it's the frustration with police is palpable. And of course 806 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,800 Speaker 5: that then that leads to the morale issues that they face, 807 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 5: that they're overworked. 808 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 4: Then they're stretched, they're stretched stretch frustration. 809 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 5: They deal with an offender, they bring the offender before 810 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,839 Speaker 5: the courts bang out on bail and that they're back 811 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 5: picking up the same offender four hours later. And this 812 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 5: is not a fallacy. This happens on a regular line. 813 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: I just don't understand why the government is so reluctant 814 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,399 Speaker 1: to allow a parliamentary Select Committee to look into these 815 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 1: issues that we've got at the mind that. 816 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 4: I think there's some an issue. There's an issue with 817 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 4: labor and it wasn't what they promised at the beginning 818 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 4: after they got elected, and they have an issue with 819 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 4: transparency and finding out the real story. Now. Select Committee, 820 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 4: for those who are listening are not sure, is a 821 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,399 Speaker 4: committee of the Parliament. It's not a government committee. It's 822 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,359 Speaker 4: made up of members of the Parliament, Labor colp Independence. 823 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 4: Usually the Government of the day has the chairmanship and 824 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 4: that committee then has a support network from within the 825 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 4: Department of Legislative Assembly people to do help with the research. 826 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 4: You can get experts in, you can have people by 827 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,959 Speaker 4: a teleconference. It's confidential. So if you had people who 828 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 4: wanted to be like a whistleblower to the committee, it 829 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 4: could be held in camera so they're protected. You know, 830 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 4: the employer can't either disadvantage them or discriminate against them. 831 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 4: And then the report it could take three months to do, 832 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 4: it could take six months. People can travel around the territory, 833 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,800 Speaker 4: the committee members and the secretariat. So I cannot understand 834 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 4: for the life of me why labor is scared, because 835 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 4: that's what they are. There's seed of finding out the reals. 836 00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 5: They don't want to know what the truth is. They 837 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 5: don't want to know what's happening community. 838 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: I think to myself, don't you want to actually be 839 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 1: able to see that the funding that you are providing 840 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 1: in different areas, you want to make sure that those 841 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 1: KPIs are being met. You want to make sure that 842 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: that's exactly right, that it's all being met, because fundamentally, 843 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,360 Speaker 1: if they actually want what they say they want, and 844 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,879 Speaker 1: that is generational change, what on earth have we got 845 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 1: a situation in Alice Springs earlier in the week when 846 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 1: you've got little kids out on the street then breaking windows, 847 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:31,239 Speaker 1: throwing rocks at cars or throwing rocks at business windows. 848 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: Where's the support for those kids? You know, obviously, where's 849 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: the wrap around services? 850 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,240 Speaker 5: Why are the kids out there in the first place? 851 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 5: And on a school at school? And that falls back 852 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,359 Speaker 5: to two things. That's an education and territory family. What 853 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 5: work is being done to ensure that these kids are 854 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,879 Speaker 5: actually at school getting an education and doing the right thing. 855 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 5: That's not happening, and that's again one of the reasons 856 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 5: why police are so frustrated, because they're being tasked with 857 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 5: dealing with these issues when it's not their issue. 858 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 1: Well, I've got a message here from Judith and it 859 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,360 Speaker 1: says I always listen to your show. Was shocked to 860 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,760 Speaker 1: hear Leah's crime situation on the agenda was shut down. 861 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: So disgusted with the show from the ALP. I don't 862 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,319 Speaker 1: don't live in hope for any other ALP member can 863 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: do a better job. I live in hope that a 864 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: new leader doesn't keep on with the same from Gunner. 865 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:24,320 Speaker 2: If this still. 866 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 1: Goes on, the Administrator of the Northern Territory should step in. 867 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,400 Speaker 1: Reckons Judith, you know they are some of the messages 868 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: that we received throughout the week. I think people are 869 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 1: really frustrated, frustration. 870 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, see the other thing to you, Katie, which concerned 871 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 4: me and during you know, it's one thing to try 872 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,840 Speaker 4: and shut things down and push them under the carpet, 873 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 4: but the government's not even acknowledging the problem and the 874 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,760 Speaker 4: writing out at what I now the member for Daily 875 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,400 Speaker 4: who I'm not sure who he is really because no 876 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,280 Speaker 4: one ever sees him. But when he did his budget 877 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,800 Speaker 4: and reply speech, where you talk about the budget, you 878 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 4: talk about your electric and all that sort of stuff, 879 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,279 Speaker 4: he did not even acknowledge anything to do with what 880 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 4: I put Keith. I mean they're getting money to revamp 881 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 4: their swimming pool. I don't think he mentioned that. But 882 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 4: they lost forty houses, forty publicly funded houses. Displaced people, 883 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 4: old people, young people, children gone out, bush gone, homelands 884 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 4: gone wherever because they've got nowhere to sleep and eat 885 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 4: and all that sort of stuff. He didn't even rank it, 886 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 4: didn't even rank ammentions. Well, no, the Labor government has 887 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 4: addressed that problem out there. 888 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 1: And where the community is starting to feel like they're 889 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 1: being ghastly. You know, you're talking about these problems, everybody 890 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,360 Speaker 1: can see them. But then you listen to Parliament and 891 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,560 Speaker 1: I do know that a lot of everyday territories probably 892 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,880 Speaker 1: don't tune in to listen to question time. I always 893 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 1: say I listen so they don't have to. But at 894 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 1: the end of the day, then when you sort of 895 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,360 Speaker 1: hear no acknowledgment that there is an issue with crime, 896 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 1: or that there is an issue like you've said out 897 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,400 Speaker 1: in what Air and other locations, I reckon. 898 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,840 Speaker 2: You know, if they don't see this opportunity. 899 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: Now with the new leadership to really actually ensure that 900 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,920 Speaker 1: the community is being heard, then I really don't know 901 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:03,800 Speaker 1: what's going to happen. 902 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 5: I think, Katie, whatever happens today with the leadership and 903 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 5: our new chief news, there needs to be a paradigm 904 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 5: shift within the Labor part in the Labor Caucus. They 905 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,719 Speaker 5: cannot continue down this road of denying the fact that 906 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,880 Speaker 5: there is a crime crisis right across the territory. The 907 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 5: paradigm shift needs to be acknowledge that there's a problem. 908 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 5: And that's what the Parliamentary Select Committee was about, is 909 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 5: going to have a look at those issues, listen to people, 910 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,200 Speaker 5: listen to some of the solutions, and come back to Parliament. 911 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,880 Speaker 4: With a few ideas. What's so wrong with that. 912 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,879 Speaker 5: I've got a message on which I read the other day, 913 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,040 Speaker 5: and this is a cracker. There's one thing the Labor 914 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:44,319 Speaker 5: Party hate more than our police officers and law abiding citizens. 915 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 5: And sorry, if there is one thing Labor hate more 916 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 5: than our police and the law abiding community, it's scrutiny, yep. 917 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,239 Speaker 5: And that's exactly much and pretty well, and that's what 918 00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 5: happened when they shut down debate around the Select Committee. 919 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,320 Speaker 5: I tried to center the Police Minister yesterday on crime 920 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,440 Speaker 5: in central Australia and across the territory and the government 921 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:08,400 Speaker 5: wouldn't even accept that. 922 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 2: Avail I heard it, build it. Avail I wasn't I 923 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 2: able to go. 924 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,800 Speaker 4: For This is the other crazy thing about the government 925 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 4: at the moment is a censure motion. Some people listening 926 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,160 Speaker 4: might think, oh, that's pretty bad. Well, it is sort 927 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,840 Speaker 4: of bad, but it also allows the government, which I 928 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,239 Speaker 4: don't think they've quite twigged. Perhaps it allows them the 929 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,359 Speaker 4: opportunity to have you know, two speakers, five peekers, six 930 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,440 Speaker 4: speakers to speak about. Goodness knows what they want to 931 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,840 Speaker 4: speak about. But no, they just think it's something that 932 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,440 Speaker 4: we just don't want to talk about. We don't want 933 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 4: to acknowledge it. Katie. The other concerning thing is I 934 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,960 Speaker 4: think you might have seen it on Facebook, is there's 935 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,240 Speaker 4: a group in Darwin that has set up to support 936 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 4: police officers, like a welfare association, and they did a crowdfunding. 937 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,000 Speaker 4: They're right, I did a crowdfunding and just to set 938 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,759 Speaker 4: up fees for Facebook and all that sort of thing, 939 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 4: and they were overwhelmed because you know, it's all very 940 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,760 Speaker 4: well for the police Minister Madison to sell our record 941 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,960 Speaker 4: money for police blah blah. That may be able to 942 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,440 Speaker 4: be the case. But when you've got a grassroots woman 943 00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,160 Speaker 4: and I think it's the one you wanted to set 944 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,960 Speaker 4: up a welfare support group for police officers and raising 945 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:14,719 Speaker 4: money from the community, something's wrong. Yeah, but something's wrong 946 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,320 Speaker 4: within the police system. An outside person has to provide 947 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:19,120 Speaker 4: a support network. 948 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. And we did catch up with a former police 949 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,400 Speaker 1: officer yesterday, a former police sergeant who had spoken about 950 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 1: the issues of there not being enough support when it 951 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 1: comes to mental health particularly. I think even after retirement 952 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,880 Speaker 1: making sure or even after people leave the force, making 953 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 1: sure that they have that support. I think it's fundamental 954 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,359 Speaker 1: that that happens. We are going to continue on though, 955 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,520 Speaker 1: because there is a lot on the agenda, will take 956 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:43,399 Speaker 1: a really short break. 957 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,120 Speaker 2: When we come back. We're going to talk about these 958 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 2: solar feed. 959 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,800 Speaker 1: In tariffs, because I tell you what that got people 960 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,960 Speaker 1: incredibly fired up earlier in the week. You are listening 961 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,160 Speaker 1: to Mix one oh four nine, Well, we are really 962 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,319 Speaker 1: mixing things up in here this morning. We don't have 963 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,439 Speaker 1: a labor member or a journalist because they're all camped out. 964 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 1: The jodo's camped down outside waiting to see exactly what 965 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,680 Speaker 1: happens in this caucus meeting. But we are indeed joined 966 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:09,400 Speaker 1: in the studio by Bill Yan, the colps, well the 967 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,360 Speaker 1: colp's Bill Yan, and we've also got independent Kezi Epuric. 968 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:12,600 Speaker 2: Now. 969 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,759 Speaker 1: One of the things that happened throughout the week, and 970 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,520 Speaker 1: an announcement that got people pretty riled up over last 971 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,400 Speaker 1: weekend was the changes to the solar rebate. Over thirteen 972 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,759 Speaker 1: thousand households in the territory, we'll have their solar feed 973 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,280 Speaker 1: in tariff slash by up to a total of twelve 974 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,040 Speaker 1: million dollars after the Northern Territory government unveiled these changes 975 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,160 Speaker 1: on the scheme on Friday. So essentially, under the grandfathered 976 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,680 Speaker 1: feed in tariffs, anyone who had installed solar panels on 977 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,120 Speaker 1: their roofs before April twenty twenty was being paid twenty 978 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,000 Speaker 1: six point sixty five cents for every killer wash hour 979 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,040 Speaker 1: that they fed back into the Northern Territory's power greed. 980 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:52,799 Speaker 1: But we now know well after April twenty twenty they 981 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,719 Speaker 1: were being paid nine point one three since bur killer 982 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 1: what hour, But these changes now mean that well, that's 983 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,520 Speaker 1: effectively what it's going to go to. 984 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,520 Speaker 2: So it's something that has rolled a lot of people up. Bill. 985 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,880 Speaker 5: What were your thoughts, Yeah, it's really interesting that Labor 986 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,480 Speaker 5: made this commitment to people who had already put solar 987 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,359 Speaker 5: on and from those commitments earlier and people went out 988 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:15,920 Speaker 5: and put solar on name that now we're going to 989 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,800 Speaker 5: get this rebate, and then they changed that and dropped 990 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,080 Speaker 5: it to nine cents to killer what Hour, and particularly 991 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,279 Speaker 5: anyone who made any changes to their existing system would 992 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,560 Speaker 5: drop from the twenty sixth down to the nine sense. 993 00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,680 Speaker 5: So if you change the regulator or added another solar 994 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,399 Speaker 5: panel instantly you would drop down. And then they've come 995 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,680 Speaker 5: out now and said, well, we're going to take everybody 996 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,360 Speaker 5: off that and we're going to drop you wall to 997 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,040 Speaker 5: nine sense of killer what Hour, which is effactly that 998 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,520 Speaker 5: they've lied to the people who they guarantee this grandfather 999 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,960 Speaker 5: clause for posts April twenty twenty. 1000 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,040 Speaker 1: Now I think we've got Chris on the line. We 1001 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:50,520 Speaker 1: don't usually take callers. 1002 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,200 Speaker 2: During the week, that was, but why not Good morning, 1003 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,000 Speaker 2: Chris modern. 1004 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:54,919 Speaker 7: How are you not bad? 1005 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:55,200 Speaker 10: Mate? 1006 00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:55,719 Speaker 2: How are you? 1007 00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:57,640 Speaker 7: Yeah? Yeah, good? Good? 1008 00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:58,800 Speaker 2: What's your situation. 1009 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,239 Speaker 7: We live out at Southport. Now obviously we don't have 1010 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,600 Speaker 7: town water, so every time we turn the tap on, 1011 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,600 Speaker 7: we're using power because we've got to have pressure pumps 1012 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:19,560 Speaker 7: from the tank where weceived our email yesterday that our 1013 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:25,280 Speaker 7: tariff is going to be cut. Right now, our systems 1014 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,319 Speaker 7: seven years old. We're about the first people out here 1015 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,600 Speaker 7: to get a put on. Now the system's only a 1016 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,040 Speaker 7: four point five. 1017 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,320 Speaker 2: So what's it going to mean for you, Chris? 1018 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,480 Speaker 7: What it means is I got to spend another seventeen 1019 00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:44,759 Speaker 7: thousand dollars to put a new system on and a battery. 1020 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,960 Speaker 4: Wow, and so having battery back up, Chris. 1021 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:56,600 Speaker 7: Well, the battery there, so it charges up during the day. 1022 00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,239 Speaker 7: We've got power you using any extra power goes into 1023 00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:00,720 Speaker 7: your battery charge. 1024 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:06,080 Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, you so you must be pretty rapable when 1025 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:07,480 Speaker 1: the sorry. 1026 00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,560 Speaker 7: So when the sun goes down your house to run 1027 00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,719 Speaker 7: for a few hours off the battery. Yeah, and then 1028 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:13,719 Speaker 7: you're back on the grid again. 1029 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:14,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1030 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,800 Speaker 5: Look, and I suppose Chris, that's what we put forward 1031 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,960 Speaker 5: this week in Parliament was changes to that scheme. 1032 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,640 Speaker 3: Now we're off in the savings or what savings. 1033 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,399 Speaker 5: Labor said they're going to make the twelve million dollars 1034 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,040 Speaker 5: I make by taking everybody off the old scheme and 1035 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,720 Speaker 5: dropping them down to nine sense equates the twelve million dollars. 1036 00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,239 Speaker 5: So our scheme would reinvest that twelve million dollars and 1037 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:40,840 Speaker 5: make a commitment to territories to provide a subsidy to 1038 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:45,360 Speaker 5: put a larger battery in place that would actually feed 1039 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,839 Speaker 5: an entire house overnight. Infactly what that does It takes 1040 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:53,120 Speaker 5: pressure off the grid overall, but actually could take say 1041 00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,560 Speaker 5: someone lot you, Chris living out at Southport, off the 1042 00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,320 Speaker 5: good they make this and through your your own solar system, 1043 00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,040 Speaker 5: you would be sufficient for your entire house and probably 1044 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:04,280 Speaker 5: wouldn't need to be on the grid. 1045 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,200 Speaker 1: Well, and look, I guess the thing is, you know, 1046 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,920 Speaker 1: Chris isn't alone. There's no doubt about that. We have 1047 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:14,000 Speaker 1: been inundated with calls throughout the week and particularly on Monday, 1048 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,320 Speaker 1: a lot of people messaging through, a lot of people 1049 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,800 Speaker 1: calling through. It's it is something, you know, an announcement 1050 00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,919 Speaker 1: that the Gunner government had made that I really don't 1051 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:23,879 Speaker 1: think people. 1052 00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:24,920 Speaker 2: Are happy with at all. 1053 00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if we've got a situation where it 1054 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,360 Speaker 1: was required because we didn't have the capacity within the 1055 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,680 Speaker 1: system within power and water. I don't know exactly why 1056 00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,560 Speaker 1: the decision has been made, but changing the goalposts, so 1057 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,479 Speaker 1: I've got to tell you really pease people off. 1058 00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,600 Speaker 5: It certainly does, because, as I said, people made the 1059 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,200 Speaker 5: commitment to get on solar. 1060 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,799 Speaker 3: Knowing that they were going to get the rebates. 1061 00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,960 Speaker 5: Labor or effectively putting barriers in place for people to 1062 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,000 Speaker 5: put sola on the house, is that. 1063 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,160 Speaker 4: The incentive is not there anymore. 1064 00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:59,000 Speaker 5: If we're talking about becoming green and improving our renewables 1065 00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,000 Speaker 5: and dropping our carbon footprint, then Labor should be actually 1066 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,600 Speaker 5: doing more to make it solar. 1067 00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:09,359 Speaker 1: Revivable to criticisms obviously through the weak Bill was has 1068 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,480 Speaker 1: the CLP costed their budget? 1069 00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:11,840 Speaker 2: Reply? 1070 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,200 Speaker 1: Because I know that Nicole Manison and I heard the 1071 00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,560 Speaker 1: Labor Party yesterday in question time really giving it to 1072 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,480 Speaker 1: you guys, saying that you're going to you know, you're 1073 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,040 Speaker 1: gonna make cuts and you're going to sack public servants 1074 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,239 Speaker 1: and I can't remember what the catch craze, but it's 1075 00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:25,799 Speaker 1: something along those. 1076 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:27,359 Speaker 3: It's standard stuff, Katie. 1077 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,000 Speaker 5: We hear it, We hear it every Parliament. You're going 1078 00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,360 Speaker 5: to cut this and slash out and sell something else. 1079 00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,080 Speaker 5: And it's just it's the standard stuff that we hear 1080 00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,640 Speaker 5: every time. The twelve million dollars that labor would make 1081 00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,440 Speaker 5: in savings by the changes they're doing to the solar 1082 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,120 Speaker 5: rebate scheme, so we would be reinvesting that money straight 1083 00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,960 Speaker 5: back into batteries for houses. And then of course we 1084 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:53,520 Speaker 5: continue on investing in batteries for houses because the offset 1085 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,080 Speaker 5: there is the pressure it takes off our grid. Yeah, 1086 00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,600 Speaker 5: so by having a battery on your house, and the 1087 00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:04,040 Speaker 5: longer term thing is that then power and water can 1088 00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,319 Speaker 5: tap into your battery when the pressure is on and 1089 00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,240 Speaker 5: take power out of your battery, and in those peak 1090 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,480 Speaker 5: times you would get double the tariff rape. 1091 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,600 Speaker 1: Well, look, we've just about run out of time, but 1092 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,040 Speaker 1: how about a couple more messages before we wrap up for. 1093 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,760 Speaker 2: The morning I messages. 1094 00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,200 Speaker 1: Well, I've got one here and it says, don't even 1095 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,400 Speaker 1: get me started. In the grinchy government's clawback of the 1096 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,680 Speaker 1: solar feed in tariffs. What happens to territory labor doing 1097 00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,280 Speaker 1: everything it can for climate change? 1098 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:27,799 Speaker 9: What bull? 1099 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,760 Speaker 1: Now we're stuck with twenty thousand dollars out of pocket 1100 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,080 Speaker 1: for a solar system that's worthless. We can't afford to 1101 00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,680 Speaker 1: fork out tens of thousands more for batteries. It's bloody 1102 00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,480 Speaker 1: criminal of this mean government says that person. I've got 1103 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,080 Speaker 1: one here from BEV and it says high Kding. Natasha 1104 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,200 Speaker 1: has never answered a question, so she would be no 1105 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,640 Speaker 1: good as the Chief Minister Eva as a straight shooter. 1106 00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:54,520 Speaker 3: Give the Chief Chief Minister and the best. 1107 00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,040 Speaker 1: Fragons that person another one here's still not keasy as much. 1108 00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:02,560 Speaker 2: She's a bloody legend. Go and get him. 1109 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:11,000 Speaker 4: I've got a lot of siblings. Just quickly once again, residents, people, 1110 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:15,120 Speaker 4: citizens did as the government asked us to do. Go solo, 1111 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,000 Speaker 4: try and do a little bit for the environment as 1112 00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:18,960 Speaker 4: a little person, the king the gus and then kick 1113 00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,640 Speaker 4: them in the guts, you know, and that's just typical labor. 1114 00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:23,040 Speaker 5: Well. 1115 00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,759 Speaker 1: Look, and they're not here to defend themselves, which I 1116 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,040 Speaker 1: know always makes it hard. 1117 00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,280 Speaker 2: I wish that they were here to defend themselves. 1118 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,399 Speaker 1: But maybe next week, once they've sorted out what's going 1119 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,000 Speaker 1: one week. 1120 00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,200 Speaker 4: No, you never know, Katie Big Club, it's Friend's Past 1121 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,120 Speaker 4: Show weekends, Friend's Passo. Now I want people to go 1122 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,040 Speaker 4: to Friends Past Show, part from fact it's a good show, 1123 00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,239 Speaker 4: and help you go to the cooking and I want 1124 00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,960 Speaker 4: you to see if there's any first price certificates against 1125 00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:53,320 Speaker 4: lemon Cello record is that you yeah, even if there's. 1126 00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:57,839 Speaker 5: Not too keys Because our spring show is coming up soon, 1127 00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,560 Speaker 5: first one I've had in a couple of years. Now 1128 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,480 Speaker 5: down with you, there's going to be a poly cake competition. 1129 00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:08,360 Speaker 5: Oh look, I invite you to put a cake in. 1130 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:09,640 Speaker 4: Go on, why not? 1131 00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,840 Speaker 1: And it's also this weekend is Max's Cast for a 1132 00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,200 Speaker 1: Cure Bill. I know that you are, you're taking part. 1133 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,839 Speaker 1: It's Max's Cast for a Cure. So you might know 1134 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,760 Speaker 1: Lincoln and Naomi Campbell they lost their little boy Max 1135 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:25,520 Speaker 1: to brain brain cancer and they are fundraising and they 1136 00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:29,120 Speaker 1: have got over ninety thousand dollars worth of prizes, which 1137 00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:30,320 Speaker 1: I think is just phenomenal. 1138 00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:31,480 Speaker 10: So many. 1139 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,040 Speaker 4: Sponsoring along and along with some of the labor. 1140 00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,719 Speaker 2: Polish busy weekend, then it should. 1141 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,279 Speaker 5: Be I'll be out there trying to catch a fishy 1142 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:41,839 Speaker 5: trying to catch a fish good. 1143 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,800 Speaker 4: Okay for anyone listening out at Marrakai, there's a public 1144 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,799 Speaker 4: meeting at the tavern at ten o'clock. Remember this labor 1145 00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,920 Speaker 4: government's trying to force local government on you, and we 1146 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:50,839 Speaker 4: don't want it out there. 1147 00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,560 Speaker 1: Well, please tell them to get in contact with me 1148 00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,040 Speaker 1: for next week as well, and we'll make sure we 1149 00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:55,400 Speaker 1: get them all. 1150 00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:56,880 Speaker 2: We're going to have to wrap up. Lovely to have 1151 00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:58,560 Speaker 2: you both in the studio. Thanks so much. 1152 00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,040 Speaker 4: Great to be here again. You always enjoy it. 1153 00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:02,560 Speaker 1: Let's see if we know who's going to be the 1154 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,040 Speaker 1: Chief Minister throughout the show. 1155 00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:05,719 Speaker 2: I'll keep you all up to date. 1156 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,520 Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three 1157 00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:09,120 Speaker 1: sixteen