1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: You know, ougs have now tried to make shoes like 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: I saw one the other day. One of the brands 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: has released a pair of high heel ods. Oh my gosh, 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: I just think, look dying a fire. I can't be 5 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: involved cross. I can't run cross. They can't run ugs 6 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: with the heel of it. Stay home, Okay, I tell 7 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 1: you what. In my agency, we have what's called the 8 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: black list. Don't come to one of my events and 9 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 1: not do any content. We didn't spend a fortune on 10 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: Floral's at a fucking event. More on for you to 11 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: turn up and leave. You're not famous, That's that's ran 12 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: and said you must walk around with such baggage all 13 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: day long. Everything bothers here, And I thought, if only 14 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: you knew me, nothing like this bothers me. Honestly washes 15 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: them me immediately. 16 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. We are so lucky to 17 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 2: be joined by the smart, hilarious and super talented Sam Mangan. 18 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: So firstly, of course, you're the director of Spin and Co, 19 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: a hugely successful global brand agency on the Gold Coast. 20 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 2: You've worked with massive brands and spearheaded multimillion dollar campaigns 21 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 2: growing up. Is that the life that you thought you'd lead. 22 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: Look, I don't know if it's the life I thought 23 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: I would lead, But I also think, I mean you 24 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: think about like young people. I mean, who the hell 25 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: knows what you're going to do? Right. There was this 26 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: sort of illustrious idea in my head when I was 27 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 1: not super young, but you know, when I was sort 28 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: of high school, and you know, this idea of traveling 29 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: the world and working, and I thought that would be 30 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: so cool. I can confirm now that i'm there. Not 31 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: so cool got myss off right in the middle of that, 32 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: didn't I. 33 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 2: As we mentioned, you run a hugely successful business, but 34 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 2: I hear it all started with glow sticks. 35 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: I've always sort of been, I guess, business minded. But 36 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: when I was very young, I think I was around fourteen. 37 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: I remember every week you used to have to take 38 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: home to your parents the school newsletter, and you know, 39 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: most weeks it didn't make it home. But remember one 40 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: week I was reading it and it's said on there 41 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:55,919 Speaker 1: it was a call out for things that they needed 42 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: for the annual school fair, and one of them was 43 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: glow sticks. And I thought to myself, how hard can 44 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: it be to find glow sticks? And this is in 45 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: the days before Ali Barber, So I sort of went 46 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: to Google. I mean, probably maybe it existed, I don't know, 47 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: but I don't think it did. I went to Google 48 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: and sort of searched around and found a supplier who 49 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,679 Speaker 1: met who was actually in Australia but could facilitate purchasing 50 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: through China. I tell you what, I've never been so 51 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: rich in my whole life as I was in that 52 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: moment when I did that sale. You know, at fourteen, 53 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: with thousands of dollars, You'll never be that rich ever again, 54 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: I can tell you that much. 55 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 2: I'm glad to hear you went with glow sticks because 56 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: the school we went to, I think the only thing 57 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 2: people were selling with drugs at fourteen, So well, I. 58 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: Mean that's you know, look, I would say my margins 59 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: weren't quite that good. Access was a little less defarious. 60 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: That was ideal, but yeah, look I think it was 61 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: a free gift. I kind of recall how they ended 62 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: up transacting. I remember that that one sage they asked 63 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: me if we could facilitate the sale of them at 64 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: the event. I said, look, we're just wholesalers of products. 65 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: It's not we're not retailers. Bought that line and off 66 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: they went. But yeah, no, so that was the beginning 67 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: of the whole sort of disaster that it is. 68 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: It is interesting to hear that you did start selling glowsticks, though, 69 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 2: because there's obviously a lot of talk about everyone wants 70 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 2: to be an entrepreneur now and start a business and nauseating. 71 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 2: Oh I know, and everyone's because I will listen to 72 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 2: a lot of Gary Vee, who seems to be God, 73 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 2: and he, you know, he talks about how he started 74 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 2: his lemonade stolen whatever, And it always seems that entrepreneurs 75 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 2: have the same story starting a business young. But what 76 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 2: would be your advice to young people? I mean, as 77 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 2: we're saying, it seems to be a trendy thing at 78 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 2: the moment, but what is the reality of actually owning 79 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 2: a successful business? 80 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: Look the reality when you're younger. And I can't be 81 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: clear about this. Yes, I started a glowstick business when 82 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: I was younger. Yes it was successful for a very 83 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: short period of time. It wasn't like I then went 84 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: on to build a globsed toga empire and sold it. 85 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: That wasn't the case one bit. I got lucky to 86 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: a certain extent. What I will say, is that the 87 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: moment most of valuable stuff I've done in my life 88 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,119 Speaker 1: in terms of allowing me to do what I do now, 89 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: was I had a job as a telemarketer three times over. 90 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: I sold time share. At one stage, I sold charitable donations. 91 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: And that is that, you know, working for someone else 92 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: that wasn't my own business. And that was easily the 93 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: most valuable work I've ever done, because let me tell you, 94 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: there is nothing harder than seldom timeshare. So it just 95 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: teaches you calling someone and selling over the phone. It 96 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: just it's a totally different discipline. I just think it's 97 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: super valuable. And now with people like Gary Vee and 98 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: you know, to an extent, he's also talking about, you know, 99 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: don't be an entrepreneur. You know, it's fine to work 100 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: for a business. But I think at the core of 101 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: his message is and I think it's because people are deluded, right, 102 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: like people honestly think out there that you know, when 103 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: he says not everyone's made to build a business, it's 104 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: a select group of people. Everyone goes, yeah, I'm the 105 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: selector of people. No DCTA. If you're not, you're actually 106 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: a loser who should be you know, pushing trolleys. You 107 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: need to focus on the reality of the circumstance. And 108 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: so for me, like I can't stress enough that had 109 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: I have not done those user as a telemarketer, I'm 110 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: not sure I would be as successful as I am. Now. 111 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 2: That's such a good point about being able to talk 112 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 2: to anybody on the phone, because I used to work 113 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 2: it today tonight, and I can tell you so many 114 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 2: crazy people used to call up with their stories, and 115 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 2: I feel like it was the best training ground because 116 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 2: if you can deal with crazies on the phone like that, 117 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 2: you can deal with crazy people in the pr world, 118 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 2: I think. 119 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. I mean I used to have to 120 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: call people and you know, you'd speak to them for 121 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: all of four or five seconds before you're asking their 122 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: average household income. And let me tell you, there's no 123 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: Madder white forty plus male. So when you ask him 124 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: how much money he earns, I can tell you that 125 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: much because they would just let loose you've called during dinner. 126 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: You're the scum of the air, know what you do? Say? 127 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 2: That sounds like our dad who might have called you 128 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 2: keep your whistle by the phone. 129 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: If I'd have called my house, let me tell I 130 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: would have got the exact same serving, but it really 131 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: was a learning care that. I don't think there's a 132 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: lot of appreciation placed anymore into, you know, just having 133 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: a job, Like it's it's so funny now it's like, oh, 134 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 1: who has a job these days everyone owns a business. God, 135 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: there are some days I think to myself, imagine the 136 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: ease of just going to Woolworth's packing shells, leaving it 137 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 1: five and not giving up flying talking about the place 138 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: ever again. You know, Wow. 139 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 2: I think it's because dear Lord, and a lot of 140 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 2: people wouldn't know that you actually studied law, So what 141 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 2: made you want to move? Make them move from law 142 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 2: to public relations. 143 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 1: Look, I have a very strong ego as to so 144 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: many people in business, but I don't like being in 145 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 1: a room where people speak and I don't understand what 146 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: they're talking about. That's reserved exclusively for when I'm with 147 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: my accountants. No, I think it's it's just super I 148 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: just didn't like it. It was uncomfortable. I felt that it 149 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: was a it was something that I could go to 150 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: university here, I mean with trash university degrees here, But 151 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: for me, I don't like that going to university and 152 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: studying that you could learn on the job yourself as 153 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: you're going as opposed to something like the law, where 154 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: it's quite difficult to attain that knowledge without being tortured. 155 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 1: And so I felt if I was going to go 156 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: to UNI, which I wanted to do, I wanted to, 157 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: you know, spend this ridiculous amount of money to learn 158 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: something that I couldn't otherwise learn on the job. Whereas 159 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: for me, and this isn't the case for everyone, but 160 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: for me, I didn't feel like a business degree would 161 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: be super valuable a marketing dough etc. Because I didn't 162 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: feel like a lot of the greats that I would 163 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: look up to, you know, when I was a lot younger, 164 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: most of them that you knew of didn't have business degree. 165 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: So I kind of found that category was sort of like, 166 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: if I'm going to spend the money. Look, my mum 167 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: was devastated. She was hoping that I was going to 168 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: work my way up and be a lawyer. This whole 169 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: start your own business plava to her was just an 170 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: excuse to not get a job. But you know, it's 171 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: just one of those things for me that I just 172 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,239 Speaker 1: felt like it would be valuable in so many aspects 173 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: of my life. So that was the best investment of 174 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: my time and money to have a degree that would 175 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: allow me to well informed. And look, I mean, you 176 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: guys are in a business you've knowniced as well as 177 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: I do. So many people love to throw around like 178 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: I'll sue you, or like suing is, and let me 179 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: tell you, the legal system is not built for anyone 180 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: to win. The only people who win a lawyers, because 181 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: every dispute is just you go literally nowhere. It's it's 182 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: such a terrible system where it's designed to make it 183 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: difficult so that not everything goes through, you know, like 184 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: even small claims and things like that. It's just silliness. 185 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: So having to understanding you know, contractual negotiations, contractual obligations, 186 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: you know, protections, you know, just being able to read 187 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: a contract and understand what I was reading, it's just 188 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: it's been super super valuable for me. Well. 189 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 2: Aside from all your business accolades, you are also renowned 190 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 2: for your amazing Instagram rants. We love them. I just 191 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 2: can't get enough of. And also your podcast. Literally I've 192 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: been recommending it to everyone I was just listening. I 193 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 2: appreciate it and it's so good. You know, like this 194 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 2: PC world we're living in at the moment, it's so 195 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 2: nice to hear someone actually being honest and open and 196 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 2: I love that. Can you tell us what inspired your rants? 197 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: Yeah? Look, it was purely accidental. It's funny. I still 198 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: get messages from people. I still get comments from people 199 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: who say to me, oh, you're turning it on a bit, 200 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: or you're hamming it up, or it's you know, this 201 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 1: actor is too much. I can honestly tell you, and 202 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: as will anyone who knows me well, none of it's 203 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: an act. All of its reality. If you get me 204 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: started on any sort of topic, we'll come back to 205 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: Gary B. But if you get me to start on 206 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: any topic, I really can go on all day. And 207 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: it's stopping me. That's the more difficult of the task. 208 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: But for me, I just I started off originally doing 209 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: Instagram stories where I would finish my day and I 210 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: would just sort of have a general conversation with what 211 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: was a very small group, you know, personal friends, et cetera, 212 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 1: and sort of did that. Well, so personal friends who 213 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 1: followed me, I didn't have a being following, and so 214 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: what I should have said? And so then I did 215 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: that and then slowly more and more people started to 216 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: sort of, you know, follow me and talk about it. 217 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: And then they started responding to the Instagram stories and saying, 218 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: if you posted this, I could tag my friend. I 219 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: wish I could send to my friend. And then I 220 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: started to notice in the analytics that people were sending 221 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: the content on So then I decided, why not post 222 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 1: it and then let's see what happens. And then sort 223 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: of the ball started rolling. And I mean, look, it's 224 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: taken a bit of a life of its own. I 225 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: unfortunately do have many day jobs, so I can't dedicate 226 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: probably as much time as I would like to sit 227 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: there and winch about the world's problem is going to 228 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 1: be of the world. 229 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 2: You're not going to become a full time influence an hour. 230 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: Oh look, wouldn't I just be the worst influencer ever? 231 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: Let me tell you. I mean, I mean, we're banging 232 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: on Bunning's warehouse door as we speak, demanding to be answered, 233 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: and yet they are refusing to talk to us. So 234 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: I think that my influencer days are very much numbered, 235 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: if they even existed ever. But so it kind of 236 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: just evolved very naturally from there. You know, the podcast 237 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: thing We've launched a new businesses recently which is in 238 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: podcast production, and so it was just sort of a 239 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: natural evolution to have a podcast. But again, it doesn't 240 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: have an intent. I know a lot of people think 241 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: I lie when I say this, but it doesn't have 242 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: an intent. There isn't some sort of grand plan and 243 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: behind it. It's just because it's a bit of fun. 244 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: I you know, personally, I like the fact that people 245 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: can listen to it and have pure escapism for a 246 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: moment of their day. It's ridiculous, it's stupid. I'm complaining 247 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: and getting very worked une without the most inane and 248 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: moronic things. But that I truly believe that is what 249 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: underpins all human beings. You know. The fact that someone 250 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: doesn't use their indicator is something that no matter what happens, 251 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: it will drive me mental for the rest of my days. 252 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: And it's it's the stupid stuff. Like the other day 253 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: on my story, I went to a cafe and I 254 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: got an iced coffee and I left with my paper 255 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: straw that disintegrate and under thirty seconds. But it's trash. 256 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: But it was served in a single use plastic cup, 257 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: and it was served with a single use plastic spoon. 258 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: I mean, please, you know, but we're all we all 259 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: feel good about ourselves because we're using it a straw 260 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: that you know, I couldn't even of course it people. 261 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: Of course it's good for the environment. It's not even 262 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: good for my drink. You can't get through one whole drink. 263 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: Of course, it's going to disintegrate before it gets to 264 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: a turtle. But I mean, for me, it's just I 265 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: just think it's funny because it's something that we can 266 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 1: all connect with. And I get so many messages from 267 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: people who now I sound like I'm really influence suff 268 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: I get so many messages all the time, some who 269 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: say to me like, oh, it was just so refreshing 270 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: you you put a smile on my face and I 271 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: was having a down day or this, that and the other. 272 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: And I think to myself, will why not put it 273 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: out there? What's the difference. It doesn't make any difference 274 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: to my day in terms of it's not what I 275 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: do for a living or anything. But I just think 276 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: there's so many silly things, and I must admit so 277 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: many people say to me, you know that we're living 278 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: in a PC world, and it's good to hear someone 279 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 1: and say, I honestly don't think I'm that controversial. Sometimes sure, 280 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 1: but I honestly don't think half maybe three quarters of 281 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: stuff I say it's that bad. I truly just think 282 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: it's just normal. I just maybe color it in a 283 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: different way. 284 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 2: I think it's just you know, people are so careful 285 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 2: these days what they say, so I think it's just 286 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 2: nice to be like, hey, I think the same as you, 287 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 2: and you know, like PC Brigade, it's not going to 288 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 2: come in. 289 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: And yeah, oh and look they come in. They come 290 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: and they come into the Instagram DM or let me 291 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: tell you, they roll in with their little pity party. 292 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 1: But I think it's quite funny. But I had a 293 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: d N the other day. Actually it was the most 294 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: bizarre DAM I've ever probably not ever received, but one 295 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: of the more bizarre ones. Normally, someone will come into 296 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: my dms either abuse me because I'm a terrible person, 297 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: or it'll be generally speaking, the audience that I've sort 298 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: of put together that is very it's the nicest people. 299 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: All they all get it. They're all in on the joke, 300 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: is what I like to say. No, Like I have something, 301 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: we message me in and I'll say like I can't 302 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: believe you're so worked up over a straw. You're so 303 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: over this. I'm not worked up over It's just it's annoying, 304 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: and it's something that why not talk about it? And 305 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,599 Speaker 1: the hypocrisy of the straw thing or that says that, 306 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: I just think is funny, And that's what I'm talking 307 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: about it. I'm not going around. I've got one about 308 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: two weeks ago and someone messtery and said, you must 309 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: walk around with such baggage all day long. Everything bothers here, 310 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: and I thought, if only you knew me, nothing like 311 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: this bothers me. Honestly, it washes them me immediately. But 312 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 1: I think, wow, what a funny thing to talk about 313 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: like that. I mean, here we go. No, you can't 314 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: stop me. The Royals, I mean people saying they should 315 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: be flying commercial. That is a true face, I mean honestly. 316 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: I mean they're not flying economy because they want to, 317 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: or because it's a good idea or anything. They're flying 318 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: economy for pr Oh, it's ridiculous. 319 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 2: Do you reckon me? Do you actually think that Will 320 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 2: and Kate and their kids actually flew economy Because there 321 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 2: was that photo floating around of them walking on the 322 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 2: tarmac and I thought, wait a sec, don't they aren't 323 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: they meant to fly sep parally anyway, William and George 324 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 2: because if the plane goes down, there's your future King's dead. 325 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 2: So I was like, well, did they even fly it? 326 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 2: Or do they just get this photo snapped on the top. 327 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: I truly believe they do, because there's photos of them 328 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: on board as well, And that's the ridiculous's right, like 329 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: that they're on board, but they're surrounded by guards and 330 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: it's like, well, I understand, like what's that? You know 331 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: what I mean? But honestly, what a disgusting life to leave, Like, 332 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: you know, every day you grked at. You can't do anything. 333 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: It's not like a regular celebrity. They're not allowed to 334 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: say anything they want. Their grandmother tells them everything. They're 335 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: allowed to do, becau they're allowed to marry, when they're 336 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: allowed to talk. I mean, like, it's really a sad existence. 337 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: You can't spend any of the ridiculous money you've got. 338 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: What's the point. 339 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I love the fact that Harry's actually hit 340 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 2: out for once and just told everyone basically to fuck 341 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 2: off about blood. 342 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: Isn't that dreamy? 343 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 2: Yeah? 344 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: Isn't that dreamy? I am so into that. And then 345 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: everyone was like that they've been giving you such a 346 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: good media run. Sorry, our whole family is the reason 347 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: you can sell a newspaper. You're giving us something. 348 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 2: Princes John has been dead for twenty years and they're 349 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 2: still putting it that she's still making news. 350 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it's still making news. It truly is disgusting. 351 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: And you know, the people in the UK are so 352 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: passionate about the royal family and you know, I hazard 353 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: to guess that fifty percent of the tourism to London 354 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: alone is because of that. Like, what on earth is 355 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: going on? I mean the fact that you know, we've 356 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: got a plane that our prime minister can fly on 357 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. They should honestly have a gold jet 358 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: with diamond toilet seat, like good on it. You know what. 359 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: They've literally got a castle full of relics and diamond 360 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: encrusted this and crowns and whatnot, but we're expecting them 361 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: to fly economy. The whole thing, to me weeks of 362 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: just this absurd pr play that I just don't think 363 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: is necessary. I think it's okay that we all admit 364 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: that they are literal royalty, who live in actual castles. 365 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: They are in fact above the average person. And if 366 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: they wish to fly private, I think that's okay. 367 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 2: It's not as if Megan Marker would be flying bloody 368 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 2: economy during her suits days. 369 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, do you think I think she was oraon? 370 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: She was in baggage holes. I think it's the most 371 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: stunning turnaround of events. She would have been begging for 372 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: the invites to any event, and that pr and La 373 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: would have been like, who are you suits? You're not 374 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: one of the main people. Sorry, Harvey Specter only. And 375 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: now she's called them all back and saying hello, remember me? Yeah, sucker. 376 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: I mean, she wouldn't have been able to get into 377 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: Vogue on her best day. Now she's doing a guest 378 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: edit because she feels like it. It's the most stunning 379 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: turnaround I've ever seen. 380 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 2: Now, Sammy, I'm known for doing the Lord's work, and 381 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 2: one thing that we love is for you keep the 382 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 2: Cheryls and Susans and Karen's of the world accountable. Can 383 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 2: you explain to our listeners who these type of people are. 384 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: Look, they're a very specific subset of human culture. There 385 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: are some presumably listening I interchange the names because I 386 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: do feel like often they do have different names. I 387 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: don't want to think that's only just the one name. 388 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: But look as Cheryl, a Susan a Karen. They're usually 389 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: working in an accounts payable. They're often at the counter 390 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: of a retail or hospitality ven. You're asking to speak 391 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: with the manager immediately. They're usually at school pickup asking 392 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: why the hat is missing and demanding answers. They're usually 393 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: driving around in a white persia. You know, they're a 394 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: very specific group of people. They've commonly got a very 395 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: aggressive cross fringe. It could potentially be a box diye. 396 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: I can't be sure. They don't mind a color every 397 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: now and again. They bought purple, came out more blue 398 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: that stine For Cheryl, she doesn't mind. But look, the 399 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,959 Speaker 1: whole thing is just ridiculous, right, Like the whole premise 400 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: of what I'm doing is absurd. But it's just there 401 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: are these types of people out there who exist, and 402 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: they just love to ask for the manager, and they 403 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: just love to really cause a problem in circumstances. They 404 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 1: don't make a lot of sense. I mean, it's you know, 405 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 1: the one's coming into my DMS and telling me that 406 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: I must live a miserable and sad life because I'm 407 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: worried about such frivolous things. And you think, wow, you've 408 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: you've missed the joke by so far. I can't come 409 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: to you. And as I like to say, pack your 410 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: crocs and your box dye and off. 411 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 2: Can you believe that the can you believe my ex 412 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 2: boyfriend used to wear crocs? And the joke's. 413 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: On me because the joke is on you. But here's 414 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: the question. How did the first purchase of the crocs occur? 415 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: You know what's happened there? Taking me through the psychology? 416 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 2: Well, I wasn't there. Look, there's a whole other issue 417 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 2: around it. I mean, it's a whole what the hell 418 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 2: was going on? Anyway? But he had right, I probably 419 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 2: shouldn't very large feet. He had issues with his feet. Yes, 420 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 2: it was the only shoe. He couldn't wear thongs because 421 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 2: there was actually something wrong with his toes that they 422 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 2: couldn't cry. You're not really selling him, Yeah, And if that, god, 423 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 2: you preface that with my ex boyfriend? 424 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I have to. 425 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 2: Go to the croc store with him. It was humiliating, 426 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 2: you know, the one there was one at Chadston and 427 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 2: I was like, holy shit, if anyone sees me in here, 428 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 2: this is so humiliating. But yeah, thank god. 429 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: That's right. Could you imagine the check you'd ask for 430 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: if you're a celebrity and they came to us put 431 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: your face in the school. I can't even breathe. I 432 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: would be saying for them, if you're not making me 433 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,959 Speaker 1: more wealthy than Megan Markle, I'm out. I want to 434 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 1: just be loaded. I mean, one campaign in the end, 435 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: But look, I just don't understand the shoe as a hole. 436 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: But I must say, and I said this thing on 437 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: a podcast of mine the other day, I personally, my 438 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: shoe size is whatever fits the fabulous shoe. I'm a 439 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: shoe person. So if I give a pair of shoes 440 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 1: and it's a size too small, but I love it, 441 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 1: I'm that shoe size for the day, I don't care. 442 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 1: And so every now and again, if it's a little 443 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: bit unk comfortable, you win some, you lose some where 444 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: I find there are some people out there that require truly, 445 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: you know, they just want such a comfortable shoe that 446 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: you know their feet are just living in heaven at 447 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: all times. And I think, what a b is that. 448 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: And I actually said on my podcasting the day, I 449 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: think the actual upgrade from a crop to a real 450 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: shoe is it's quite a simple jump. It's not that difficult. 451 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: I think we in the real world offer some rather 452 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: comfortable shoes, is my understanding. There are some out there. 453 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: But the difference between that jump in terms of your 454 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 1: perception in the public eye, you know, your personal brand, 455 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: people's thoughts about you jump drastically when you just you 456 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: take the crocs off permanent. I don't really understand what's 457 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: going on, but as the same people who are wearing 458 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: like hugs that are not at home ugs, you know, 459 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: hugs have now tried to make shoes like I saw 460 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: one the other day. I don't know which brand it 461 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: is now and who knows because they're all seeing each 462 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: other because who owns the name or whatever. But one 463 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 1: of the brands has released a pair of high heel 464 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. 465 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 2: Doesn't that just purpose for the Bogan Princess? 466 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: Oh? I just think, look, Dina fire, I can't be 467 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: involved cross. I can't run cross. They can't runs with 468 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: the heel of it. Stay home, okay, you know, it's 469 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: just there's no helping those types of people were. 470 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 2: Talking about shopping. You mentioned something on your podcast the 471 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 2: other day about Christmas that resonated with us. We are 472 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 2: probably the biggest Christmas lovers. I was going to say 473 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 2: in Adelaide, but you know it's not that big. But anyway, 474 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 2: and don't hold that against us. But yeah, so at 475 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 2: the moment, Kate and I we live together, and just 476 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 2: to set the scene, our whole shed is literally full 477 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 2: of Christmas decorations and the one big thing, oh, it's 478 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 2: like heaven. But our issue is we've got to divide 479 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 2: the Christmas decorations between each other. And the collection is 480 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 2: so big. We actually opened the roller door and this 481 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 2: sort of home well, this man walked by, this feral man. 482 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 2: It was like fuck, and how there's so many decorations. 483 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 2: We're just like, thank you, thank you, thank you. 484 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:02,479 Speaker 1: Anyway, who are you? 485 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 2: I just was thinking, oh my god, he's going to 486 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 2: come back and friggins try and steal them. But my 487 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 2: question was, how do you think we should divide them? 488 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 2: What is fair? 489 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: What is fair? Look, I just feel like there's going 490 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: to be a triaging process where firstly, every year I 491 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,479 Speaker 1: go through a triage and I determine. You know, some 492 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: years I had I had rose gold on my tree, 493 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: and you know last year, actually there was a year 494 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 1: before I said to myself saying, what are you doing? 495 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 1: Rose gold on a Christmas tree? That's done? And so 496 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: I triage from this. I think triarching happens initially, what 497 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 1: have you purchased out of the years that may have 498 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: worked in, you know, twenty fifteen, and you've held onto 499 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: it for too long? I then have you know, there's 500 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: separated decorations which have somehow held onto life because my 501 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: mum's involved and it's like, oh, you made this when 502 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: you were four. Yeah, cool, Well I was clearly an 503 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: idiot then, but this is disgusting. I had no concept 504 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: of colors, I had no concept of shape. I mean, 505 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: really you should have been coming into school having a 506 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: word with the teacher. But anyway, so I think there's 507 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: two types of decorations, the remaining decorations after the triage 508 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: and the personal ones. The personal ones who cares, I mean, 509 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 1: let them fall off the back of a truck and 510 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: tell your parents who don't know what happened. The other 511 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: decorations I think, probably, I think the fairest way to 512 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: do it is you just sort of go through and 513 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: whoever's you know leading the charge, you know, just keep 514 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: some to yourself that you like the Bible. But look, 515 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 1: I'm a real sucker personally. If someone said to me, 516 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 1: like if I was separating my decorations, I would say, 517 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 1: you take them all. I'm going to go rebuy. I'm 518 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: going to start from the ground up and rebuild my 519 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: entire Christmas collection because that would really speak to me 520 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,199 Speaker 1: on a soulful level. I think that that's something that 521 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: I could really get behind. And you've actually put an 522 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: idea in my head. Maybe I've just been everything this 523 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: year and staff a lot of times life. Maybe I'll 524 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 1: shift mine to you and then you can it. 525 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 2: That's a good idea, perfect Well, I don't want to 526 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 2: throw any under the well. I'm actually just gonna throw 527 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 2: my sister Kate directly under the she I feel like 528 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 2: I should get the first pick, because you know what 529 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 2: she went out and bought the other day. She bought 530 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 2: those you've talked about in your podcast, those hideous bird 531 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 2: decorations with the I'm sorry. 532 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: No no no, no, no no no no, what says it, CURTI, 533 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: I don't I'm very confused. I'm not understanding why feathers 534 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: need to appear on a Christmas tree. I also don't 535 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: understand why pink is on a Christmas tree normal blue. 536 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 1: It's not a fucking gender reveal Christmas. I don't need 537 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 1: pink or blue on my tree. And feathers, what are they? 538 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: You know? You can do a very and I have them. 539 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: I've had them in my tree now for two years. 540 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 1: When you have like a gold embellished leafing that you 541 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: sort of sticks to the middle and it sort of 542 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: branches out a little bit, that's fine. But what a 543 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: feather's doing I don't understand, you know. And sometimes I 544 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: think to myself, is it is it because they're trying 545 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: to sell more decorations at these stores? Is the person 546 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: in charge of design Stevie wonder? Is there some kind 547 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: of what is the process occurring that they feel the 548 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: need to break away from the conventional And I'm thinking, 549 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: if you can convince people that red, green, gold, you know, 550 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: the approved Christmas colors are no good anymore, maybe they'll 551 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: re buy. Whereas if they're the approved Christmas colors, they 552 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: don't need to read buay every year. I just think 553 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: it's lazy marketing. I think if you work at one 554 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: of these big stores and you want to sell more 555 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: decorations in the core, Christmas colors do a better job 556 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: of selling the magic of the whole process. Do you 557 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: know what I mean? You don't, And I really, I 558 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: truly believe this. You don't see a great deal of 559 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 1: marketing anymore about the and I don't know about you guys, 560 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: but it's a very big deal in my house. Every 561 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: year in my you know, usually it's in my house 562 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 1: when the main Christmas tree goes up. My whole family 563 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: comes over. Well not my whole family can't down. My 564 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,719 Speaker 1: immediate family comes over and we put it up together. 565 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: There's carols playing, there's an appropriately sized cheeseboard with Christmas embellishments. 566 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: There's a whole activity happening around the And I don't 567 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: think that anyone out there this day of like content 568 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 1: is king all this bullshit. There is not really a 569 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: lot of people doing a good job of creating the 570 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: magic of actually putting the tree up and the process 571 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: of decorating and things like that. So now it seems 572 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: like it's cheap and easy marketing tactics, and it's like, well, 573 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: let's telephone blues in this year, so they have to 574 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: read buy blue decorations, and let's read buy a pink 575 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: next year. And now it's bring out hideous birds with feathers, 576 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: and that way they'll buy new things. Whereas if you've 577 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: created a magic that lives within me, I feel, you know, 578 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: every year, you want to do better and you want 579 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: a better tree because the whole period of time. And 580 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 1: that's why I think is that is the core issue. 581 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 1: So many people say, you know, they hate Christmas and 582 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: it's stressful, and it's this because the presence and the 583 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: money and all the rest of it. And it's not 584 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: about that in you know, in my opinion, and I'm 585 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: sure it's also like yeah, sure, Dicket, you just talked 586 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 1: about buying all new decorations. But I do really believe 587 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: that the whole concept of Christmas for me is you know, 588 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 1: your family comes together and there's time off and there 589 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: is a true magical component. And even when we discuss 590 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: this with one of my clients is AMP Capital and 591 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 1: their shopping center portfolio, and when we looked across the 592 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 1: board at some of their properties and their Christmas installations, 593 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: some of the installations like fairy lights and things. There 594 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: was a discussion point about them staying all year long 595 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: because they're so pretty, but we made a collective decision 596 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 1: not to do that because there's something about that period 597 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: of time when they go up that gives you this feeling. 598 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: And if you're not getting the feeling, you're approaching it wrong. 599 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: And it's not about buying the most expensive present or 600 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 1: having the most presence. It's not about that, and if 601 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: you feel that it is, I just think that you 602 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: need to reassess the way that you approach the whole season. 603 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 2: I think that anyone who hates Christmas is soulless. But 604 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 2: talking about soulless people, I think we need to talk 605 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 2: about Bunnings, Willworths and KFC. This is some other poor 606 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 2: marketing that is going on. What do we have to 607 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 2: do to get you to be a brand ambassador for them? 608 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 2: It's absolutely ridiculous that you are not at the moment. 609 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: I mean, you're preaching to the choir first. I mean 610 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: I truly and I must say it's gone to the 611 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,199 Speaker 1: point now where I'm offended as a marketer, like I 612 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: truly think. So here's my breakdown. Right, it's probably not 613 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: very interesting content for the podcast. You can shot this 614 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: sight out, but I truly believe, right if you looked 615 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 1: at say Bunning's Warehouse, for example, if you look at 616 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: their market and who's buying from Bunning's warehouse, I would 617 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: hazard to guess fifteen to twenty percent of their business trade. 618 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: You know, the trades who are going in there and 619 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: they're regularly buying their stuff to do work, right, I 620 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: would say eighty percent, if not seventy percent. Something like 621 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: that would be every day weekend Warrior style block watching 622 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: people who see the block and they go, I could 623 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: do that, and they yell out and they go, hey, Steve, 624 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: you know we could do and then all of a 625 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: sudden Saturday there are Bunnings. You know, I could put 626 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: a plan, I could do more green, and I truly 627 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: believe that is a whopping part of their revenue on 628 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: their bottom line. That audience is my audience. My audience 629 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: is overwhelmingly female. It's overwhelmingly you know, set of twenty 630 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: five thirty plus. It's not young. And so I feel 631 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: like for me, that is kind of their customer, Like, no, 632 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: I'm never going to appeal to the trader, you right, 633 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: So when it's all started and the whole thing was 634 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: purely by accident. I don't know how long you followed 635 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: me for, but the whole thing was purely by accident. 636 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: I was turning a room in my house into a 637 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: second wardrobe, and I went and I went to Howard's 638 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: Storage World, and I went to buy clothing racks. Anyway, 639 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: they were like seventy dollars for a clothing rack that 640 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: literally a strong breeze is going to blow over. And 641 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not paying seventy dollars for that. 642 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: That's outrageous. It's plastic. So then I was with a 643 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: friend of mine and she said, well, Bunning sell them 644 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: for cheap. And I said, oh, dear Lord, Bunnings. So 645 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: we went to Bunnings nowhere conditioning as it was, and 646 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: we traped through and I found them for nine dollars each, 647 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: and I was like, this is phenomenal. So I chronicled 648 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: this whole thing on my social media. So the over 649 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: at priced ones at Howard's that go in and buying 650 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: the cheaper one, blah blah blah. I then put them 651 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: together myself, which is a feat in its own and 652 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: then within a few days they started to show signs 653 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: of issues. They started to bend, they started to fold. 654 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: I mean, to be honest with you, they folded like 655 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: you know, I took chair. It wasn't good, and so 656 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: I again chronicle that on my social media. At the 657 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: end of that, I had a guy message me and say, 658 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: and this is my favorite douchebag. He messaged me and said, Hi, Sam, 659 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: I only follow you because my girlfriend told me to. 660 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: Do you think I give a fu Pi rack your 661 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: little sad bike can get out anyway? He says that. 662 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: He said, but I think it's shady that you don't 663 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: disclose paid partnerships on your page when you're clearly being 664 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: paid by Bunnings. Now, not only had I trashed their 665 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: product because it had literally completely fallen apart under the 666 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: pressure of maybe seven shirts like oh Dear Lord, but 667 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: also they would never work with me. I understand my 668 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: brand isn't there. So anyway, we continued that joke, going 669 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: up hosted the screenshot of his DM We laughed about 670 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: it whatever. Then I think a little bit later we 671 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: did something else and I bought something else from there, 672 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: and I talked about how I'm clearly the best outcome 673 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: is the face for Bunnings that they could possibly have 674 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: hoped for. And then finally we took it one step further. 675 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: My team found me a whole bunch of official, unofficial Bunnings 676 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: where house merchandise. We took the photo and it sort 677 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,479 Speaker 1: of has ever, it's gotten other hand from there, if 678 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: I'm honest. But now it's gotten to the point where 679 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: I think this is efensive because you know on Instagram, 680 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: right when someone sends you a DM and it goes 681 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: into the other folder and you have to accept it 682 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: for them to see that you know, you've read it whatever. 683 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: So they've accepted my stories. So I'm now actively seeing 684 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: that they're seeing the content. So I know they're seeing it, 685 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: and yet they're ignoring it as a marketer, I tell 686 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: you what. And so I just think now, originally, had 687 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: they responded, you know, some time ago, just with the 688 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: loll I would have moved on and slipped a new target. 689 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: Fact that they've ignored me means that I'm going to 690 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: double down. 691 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 2: You need to go to a competitor. I don't know 692 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 2: who the competitor. Yeah, someone else start showing some interest 693 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 2: in my ten and they might suddenly be like, things 694 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 2: don't deserve you. 695 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: I don't think after this well, look right, it's. 696 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 2: Probably some thirteen year old girl controlling the Bunnings or 697 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 2: social media page. 698 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well this is this is what I'm concerned about. 699 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: Is it a forty five year old Cheryl who isn't 700 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: actually getting out like the jog's well and truly over 701 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: a loo sty head. Or is it an agency partner 702 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: who's looking at being like they're probably an agency that 703 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: knows me, and they're probably like, what a douchebag. Absolutely, 704 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: they're moving on now. 705 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 2: We know you're a very busy man, but we just 706 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 2: had one last segment we'd like to run through with you, 707 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 2: if that's all right. It's our quick it's our quick 708 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 2: fire rounds. We've got a few things. We just want 709 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 2: to get your initial feedback from thoughts on the masked Singer. 710 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: Here. Look, I mean I haven't watched it myself. I 711 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: do think that I think you said answers. I do 712 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: think that it's the concept is great, Like I think 713 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: that's a bit of fun. I think that in Australia though, 714 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: you always drank the issue if we can't afford real talent, 715 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? And I just feel 716 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: like now you get into that situation where it's like 717 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: they take off the helmet and Lindsay Lowhand looks at 718 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: them and she's like, I've been told to act surprised. 719 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: It's like, sweetheart, you know, I'm also not a huge 720 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: fan of Hughesy. I don't know that I'm in love 721 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: with anyone who needs to yell to get a laugh. Personally, 722 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: that's just my personal preference. But you just know that 723 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: Cody Simpson's regretting it. Now there's dating mind. 724 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 2: Sure. The next question is to be and our next 725 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 2: one is what do you think about vloggers who forget 726 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 2: to vlog? 727 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: What does that mean? 728 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 2: Your typical vlogger will go to an event and obviously 729 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 2: the pr and marketing team has spent all this money 730 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 2: and they'll forget to bloody bring their camera in and 731 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 2: then just go on the current say oh sorry guys, 732 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 2: I forgot to vlog. It's like that's your whole job 733 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 2: and you forgot to. 734 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: Well, look, there's I guess there's two parts to that question. Firstly, 735 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: if it's just purely from an audience perspective and you 736 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: know we've forgotten that, I think fucking leave that person 737 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: immediately for debt. They're going nowhere with their career. If 738 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,919 Speaker 1: they're not remembering to fucking record, it's your only job. 739 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: It's like on the McDonald's not getting Sweet and South 740 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: source in the bag. This is the only job. It's 741 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: on the list. Put it in. But if it's from 742 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: a PR perspective, I tell you what. In my agency 743 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: we have what's called the blacklist. Don't come to one 744 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: of my events and not do any content. I'm well 745 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: known for it too. I have no time for that. 746 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 1: I think there is a level of respect that's involved 747 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: in these circumstances. We didn't spend a fortune on Floral's 748 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: at a fucking event. More on for you to turn 749 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: up and leave. You're not famous. Do you think your 750 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: faith means anything to me? No, turn your phone on, like, 751 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: I mean, that's just the reality of it. But yeah, 752 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: so I would split that up there. But for sure, 753 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you guys are in PR. If someone's turning 754 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,399 Speaker 1: up to your event and they're doing no coverage, that's 755 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: a quick fire away to never get an invite ever again, 756 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 1: is there. 757 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 2: Anyone that you hate to follow on Instagram? And if 758 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 2: there is, can you tell us no? 759 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: So I am super weird with my Instagram, I don't. 760 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: I follow very few people. I mean I follow two 761 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: and a few people, so I was like, not that few, 762 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: but it's pretty limited. Personally, my relationship with Instagram isn't 763 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: hatred like a lot of people like I hate it, 764 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: but I'm there for work. Personally, I like Instagram and 765 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 1: that's because I only follow people whose content I genuinely 766 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 1: want to see push in my face. Now. I will 767 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: often go on Instagram and go and find, you know, 768 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: pages that I often will visit and see content, Like 769 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: I don't follow any brands pretty much, so I will 770 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: actively go out on there and look for content and 771 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 1: consume content. May not follow the pages, And it's purely 772 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: just because I set a rule for not a rule, 773 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: but I set a standard to myself that I just 774 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: don't follow every single person because eventually it becomes a 775 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: slippery slope where people get offended, you know. You know, 776 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: it's like in our line of work, I don't follow 777 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: every makeup harder set I work with for talent, I 778 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,240 Speaker 1: don't follow every hair person. I don't follow eight thousand 779 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: people who work at the place that we worked with. 780 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: You know, I don't do that, and I think that 781 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: that hardline is it's nothing to do with you. It's 782 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: nothing to do with that. I'm not following this person, 783 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: not following you. It's just purely because when I consume Instagram, 784 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: I consume it in my personal time, when I'm working. 785 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: I'm working. If I wake up in the morning at 786 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 1: six and open Instagram, I don't give a fuck that 787 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: you're doing. Someone's here I've never heard of, I never 788 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: met you once. I don't care. So I just think, 789 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: you know, if you tag me, I'm there, I'm liking it. 790 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 1: I'm leaving a comment. You know, let's chat. All good, 791 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: you know, and you're a great person. I don't personally 792 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 1: if I follow you, it's not some reflection of what 793 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 1: a great person here, has nothing to do with that. 794 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: It's purely a representation of whether I want your content 795 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 1: forced upon me when I open it. I'm just trying 796 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: to know it round and I hate but that list 797 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 1: is very long. But I don't think. I'm now looking 798 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 1: at my Instagram and just think, I don't think there's 799 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,959 Speaker 1: anyone that I hate follow. Look, and to be honest 800 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: with you, I regularly do you guys call your Instagram like, 801 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: do you go through it? Look? 802 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 2: I'm pretty good with my Instagram because I feel bad 803 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 2: sometimes if I delete someone I know. But there was 804 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 2: a girl recently that she'd post about ten times in 805 00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 2: the space of five minutes and Instagram and she had 806 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 2: to go. I was like, look, you're not understanding the 807 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 2: rules of Instagram. 808 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: You've gone too far. You're out, Yeah for sure. Yeah. Look, 809 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 1: so I'm literally you've got en out scrolling for my Instagram. Yeah. 810 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: I don't have anyone that I hate follow this. I'm 811 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,839 Speaker 1: trying to think there's any pages that I actively go 812 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 1: to to look at the content and just think, like, 813 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 1: look that I'm sure there are some influences out there 814 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: that I go trying. I think, my word, what I'm 815 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: doing in your life every now and again, but none 816 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 1: of them really come to mind. 817 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,399 Speaker 2: That's good just to have your close friends. I mean, 818 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 2: that's the thing. People can get wrapped up into this 819 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 2: sort of hate following thing and it becomes such a 820 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,399 Speaker 2: negative place Instagram. So I think that's a good that's 821 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 2: a really hate follow when I get joy out of it. 822 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 2: If so someone that I don't like and I see 823 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 2: that they're not doing well, but I kind of like, 824 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 2: no one posts when they're not doing well instagrams like 825 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 2: about bragging you can work it out sometimes. 826 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 1: Well, I mean you get that it sometimes though, and 827 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 1: they sort of you know, they turn around and every 828 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 1: now and again then they jump on this bandwagon of 829 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 1: like if I post the real stuff, I'm going to 830 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: get more engagement. Do you know those people that want 831 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 1: to jump on top of this concept of the real 832 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,879 Speaker 1: Oh look, I have stretch marks too. That's weird. You first, 833 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 1: you in the fuck out of your face? Why does 834 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: it look like a hazy glow? Tell me about your 835 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:11,840 Speaker 1: stretch marks? 836 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 2: Jesus, Well, thank you so much. I think that's all 837 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,359 Speaker 2: the questions that we well, we have so many more, 838 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:18,760 Speaker 2: but we don't want to hold you up. But thanks 839 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,799 Speaker 2: so much. We've had such a great time talking to. 840 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,320 Speaker 1: You, not worriting you're having the honor. I super appreciate it. 841 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 1: What a fun time. If I'm in Adelaide any stage 842 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,360 Speaker 1: in the near future, and I'll be honest with you, I 843 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,799 Speaker 1: won't be But if I do end up going, we 844 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 1: must have a drink because I think we'd have fun. 845 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 2: Oh for sure. 846 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: Well do you ever believe Adelaide? Do you come to 847 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: you know? Or is that not a thing that you do. 848 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:40,359 Speaker 2: Actually, we won't. 849 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 1: We won't. 850 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 2: Our best friend lives in Queensland, so we might be 851 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 2: heading up. 852 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: Keep in touch please, thank you. 853 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,840 Speaker 2: You're a legend. We love chatting day. 854 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 1: Hopefully see you soon.