1 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: Sophie Torber and coming up on today's show. Bet Judd 4 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: triggers fans in viral fake tan video. Indy Clinton sparks 5 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:23,319 Speaker 1: debate after launching subscriber only content on TikTok, and Steph 6 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: Claire Smith and Laura Henshaw address feud rumors. But first, 7 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: Sarah's Day has revealed she's got a thing for calling 8 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: her kids after brand she works with. This week, Sarah, 9 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: who is pregnant with her third son, released a YouTube 10 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: video revealing the list of girls' names she won't be using. 11 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 2: I'll say one of my favorite names. 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: Now, Bloom. 13 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 2: We were going to call Fox Bloom. If he was 14 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 2: a girl, We're going to call her him. We're gonna 15 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: call the baby if it was a girl, Bloom. 16 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: Harper. 17 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 2: So Harper for a meddle name I love. Unfortunately, I 18 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 2: feel like it's so popular now. I feel like every 19 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 2: second girl I meet is a Harper. But still I 20 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 2: think it's a bitautiful name. 21 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: Bloom is a really beautiful name. But all I could 22 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: think about was back in twenty eighteen, when Sarah first 23 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: fell pregnant, she brought out a drink called body Bloom 24 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: with Trepeka, and it was this pink powder that she 25 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: used to stir into water and it was supposed to 26 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: help with your digestion and your hair health. And she 27 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: was really pushing all the time. And it's quite funny 28 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: because she ended up calling her firstborn son Fox, and 29 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: so many followers at the time drew parallel between Fox 30 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: and White Fox Boutique, who she also has an active 31 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: wear line with. Maybe she's getting some kind of kickback 32 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: from the brands for naming her kids after them. I mean, 33 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: maybe it's just a subconscious thing where those names on 34 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 1: her mind because they're part of her day to day life. Well, 35 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: Bloom was also the name of Chloe Zep's app I Rememonderre, 36 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: so it was a very popular name that was being 37 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: thrown around in twenty eighteen. I don't think I've ever 38 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: met a child called Bloom. He said it was a 39 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: beautiful name. I don't really think of it as being 40 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: a child's name. I can't imagine calling any of my 41 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: kids Bloom. But when she said it, I was like, oh, 42 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: that is very pretty. Maybe as a middle name. It 43 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: was quite funny because when I was watching this YouTube, 44 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: she also mentioned she liked the name as May, which 45 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: sounds a lot like skincare brand Esmi, who she works 46 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: with her And I'm like, is she trolling us now? 47 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: I'm just surprised that she didn't try and weave Trepeek 48 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: her in because it's kind of a cute kid's name. Well, 49 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: she doesn't work with them anymore. And the thing about 50 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: Sarah is she only works with a handful of brands. 51 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 1: That's why this whole naming thing is so obvious, because 52 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,839 Speaker 1: you're like, those are just the key brands that she works. 53 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: Maybe she could call her son Grom the after house 54 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: of Grom's. It was interesting to see the way that 55 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: Sarah approached selecting names. It almost felt like she was 56 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,959 Speaker 1: holding a branding meeting because she really wants her kids' 57 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: names to align with her overall Sarah's day branding and 58 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: the vibe that she's created for herself online. It wouldn't 59 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: be on brand for her to pop out a kid 60 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: and call it Jessica or James. It has to be 61 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: something unique. And when she was talking through the name, 62 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: she would say, I really like this name because has 63 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: a cool, surfey girl vibe or a skater vibe, or 64 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: she would say that a name was fashioned forward or 65 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: had an old money vibe. It's funny because initially I 66 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: was thinking, Wow, she has thought about this for way 67 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 1: too long. And normally no one really cares as much 68 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: as you do about some of these milestone moments in 69 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: your life, like your wedding or your children's names. But 70 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: in this case, people actually do care a lot what 71 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: Sarah names her kids. She's got a lot of eyeballs 72 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: on her well. As I said, she can't just do 73 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: something run of the meal and normal. I mean, she's 74 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: got a kid called Fox Ocean and one called Malachi Coher, 75 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: so she's got to have a name that fits in 76 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: with the rest of them. I was really keen to 77 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: hear what she was going to call baby number three 78 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,279 Speaker 1: if it was a girl and this name didn't disappoint. 79 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: Here's what she said. 80 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: Honestly, if I was pregnant right now with the girl, 81 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 2: I think I would call her Della, Cammy, Chloe, Oh 82 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 2: my gosh, I don't know, I can't, don't, I don't 83 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: even know. Oh, Matilda or Tiggy. Okay, I'm going with Tiggy, 84 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: going with og Tiggy Tills. I think that is such 85 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 2: a cool name. So if I have a surprise fourth girl, 86 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 2: watch out for Tiki Tills roaming the streets. 87 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: It reminds me of the supermodel Twiggy, but just with 88 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: the W missing it sounds like a fucking pissed take. 89 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: I'm kind of torn because I think that those names 90 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: can be kind of cool, Like, for instance, my partner 91 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: really wants our kids to have a name that starts 92 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: with H and our last name is Hancock, and I 93 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,119 Speaker 1: think it kind of work if you get the right name. 94 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me of when Kanye West and 95 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian got pregnant and everyone were joking that they 96 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: should call their kid Northwest, and it sounded so ridiculous 97 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: at the time, but of course they went on to 98 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,559 Speaker 1: have their daughter Northwest, and now the name just sounds 99 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: so normal. So I assume it'd be the same with 100 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: Tiggy Tills. At first, you're like, what the fuck, but 101 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: then it grows on you might work, It might grow 102 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: on you well. Some of the more unique names that 103 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: Sarah also had on a list were London Love, Tiger, Winslow, Bambi, 104 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: Aspen and Munro. So a bit like Marilyn Monroe. Do 105 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: you have to have actually visited the city before you 106 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: name your kid after it? I think that you should 107 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: have it. It's a bit like Victoria Beckham how she 108 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: and David decided to call their son Brooklyn because she 109 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: found out she was pregnant in Brooklyn. I feel like 110 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: you've got to have some connection with the city that 111 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: you name your child. Maybe I could call the baby Cronulla. Cronulla. 112 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: That's got quite nice. It was conceived and born in Cronulla. 113 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: I was quite surprised to hear some of the mainstream names, 114 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: like she really liked the name Chloe, Isabelle, and Matilda, 115 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: but she said that she would avoid Matilda as it's 116 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: too popular. I was gonna say, isn't Tilly like the 117 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: most popular name at the moment because of the Matilda's 118 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: soccer team, and then also just because it's cute names? Yeah, 119 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: I really like that name. Sarah said that she wishes 120 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: if she was called Tilly, and that's what might actually 121 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: forced my partner to watch this video with me, and 122 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: he said the funniest thing about the whole video. Is 123 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: that she's coming up with all these like wacky and 124 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: unique names, yet her name is Sarah. Yeah, like that 125 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 1: is like the stereotypical, Like the most popular millennial name 126 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: is Sarah and probably the plainest name. Hey, guys, welcome 127 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: to my house. I've got Jakine's I read didn't do 128 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: my glad, so come get ready with me. A video 129 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: of Beck Judd applying fake tan while standing in her 130 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: pristine white bedroom has gone viral now. The video, which 131 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: was filmed as part of a paid partnership with fake 132 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: tan company Sprayos, showed Beck in a black bikini applying 133 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: fake tan as she answered questions about herself for eight minutes. 134 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: And I am not over selling this, Sophie. This room 135 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: had white floorboards, a white rug, a white ottoman, and 136 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: white cupboard. I am still having a bit of PTSD 137 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: from watching this video because as an avid fake tanner, 138 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: I just was like, oh my god, something is going 139 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: to get spilled on this white At one point in 140 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: the video, Beck put her leg up on the ottoman 141 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: to tan it, which almost sent me over the edge. 142 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: I think that was just asking for trouble. But she 143 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: applied this fake tan like a pro there was no spillage, 144 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: absolutely no contact with any of the white furniture. I 145 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: did hold my breath at one point during this video 146 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: when she accidentally knocked the bottle over on the ottoman 147 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: and she let out the girliest shriek. It was so funny, 148 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: but thankfully nothing came out. I don't know about you, 149 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: because you didn't do it often, Amy, but when I 150 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: fake tan, I tan in my bathroom and there will 151 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: be one point where I'll knock the bottle over, or 152 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: I'll leave my mit on the basin, and tan goes everywhere. 153 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: So I was very impressed by Beck's skills here. Yeah, 154 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: she certainly looked like she knew her way around a 155 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: fake tanning myt I wondered did she film it in 156 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: her bedroom because her bathroom was too dirty? Because why, 157 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, most people I would assume would do 158 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: their fake tan just after they'd gotten out of the shower. 159 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: Why would you ever do it in that room? Well, 160 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: I want to know if this was a strategy to 161 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,679 Speaker 1: get people talking, because I know in some videos people 162 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: purposely try to do something distracting, like they'll pronounce something wrong, 163 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: like say lingerie. Don't fucking say that? Was a genuine 164 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: So you said it the same I know, but that's 165 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: how we just say it. But I'm triggering people, Yeah, 166 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: but apparently that's how Americans say, oh is it Yeah? 167 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: I just thought it was us being annoying. But anyway, 168 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: back to this, I did wonder if it was some 169 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: sort of strategy to get people engaging in the comments section, 170 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: because they knew that people would be triggered by someone 171 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: tanning in a very white room. On the other hand, 172 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: I think that she probably just wanted to shoot somewhere aesthetics. 173 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: She probably had a nice big mirror that she could 174 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: put her camera up on and film for Well, that's 175 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: the other thing I wondered. Perhaps maybe the lighting was 176 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: better in there at that time of day. Well, the 177 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: other thing that triggered me in this video was that 178 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: she faked tan with her hair down, so her hair 179 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: was all beautifully curled and she was going to do 180 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: her back and just her hair just went all in 181 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: the tan. She finally put it up in a high bun. 182 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: But I mean, I can't have anything like I have 183 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: to have my hair straight back. But do you think 184 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: when people do those videos they just instantly wash off 185 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: the tan because it would be hard to do it 186 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: properly with your bathers on. I don't know, because it 187 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: looked like she applied it pretty well. I've got to 188 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: say spray Oz must be wrap with this collaboration because 189 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: usually their videos attracted around ten thousand views. Because at 190 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: the time of recording, this video has had over three 191 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty seven thousand views, and the engagement rate 192 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: was huge. There were six hundred and twenty seven send 193 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: ons and one hundred and sixteen comments, and the comments 194 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 1: were hilarious. One follower wrote, Eeke that fresh ten near 195 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: the fresh White is giving me chills, whilst another said me, 196 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: just watching you ten on the Ottoman is making me rock. 197 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: Also thinking you're so talented for not getting it on 198 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 1: there hard. I wondered if maybe Spraye's had some kind 199 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: of promotion where their ten didn't stain, or there was 200 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: some kind of tie in, but no, maybe every room 201 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: in Brett Judd's house is just as white and she 202 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: just thought fuck it true well. As part of this 203 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 1: eight minute video, Beck took part in a viral beauty 204 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: trend where she told followers about herself while applying fake 205 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: ten and I've been seeing this a bit on TikTok. 206 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: I think it's a really great marketing strategy because no 207 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: one wants to sit and watch a video where an 208 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: influencer just tries to sell you the product the whole 209 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: time to talk about the product and explain the product. 210 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: And I mean it was eight minutes, and I was 211 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: hooked because I am a bit of a fan of 212 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: Beck Jud. I mean, we did do a deep dive 213 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: on Beck Judd last year, but even I found out 214 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: new information about her in this video, and the biggest 215 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: takeaway for me was that she said her first son, Oscar, 216 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: was an accident. So Beck was talking about how she 217 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: was working as a speech pathologist at the time before 218 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: she fell pregnant. Here's what she said. I stayed there 219 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: until I got pregnant with Oscar. Accidentally got pregnant after 220 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: I tride too many champagnes at Oak Stay in two 221 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: thousand and. 222 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 3: Ten. I accidentally got pregnant before my ready and. 223 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 1: Went on Mattley from my job at the Alfred and 224 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: then I never went back, like I'd never gone back 225 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: to speech pathology. I really liked how she just had 226 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: fun with it. I don't think she's ever told that story. 227 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: Before a lot of people said it felt like she 228 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: was just talking to her girlfriends, and she was praised 229 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 1: in the comments section for being really down to earth. 230 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: One admission that surprised me was when Beck said that 231 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: she wasn't very maternal. I still live, I've got four kids. 232 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: How did I have four kids? I'm not maternal. I 233 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: don't really love kids. I'm not the all, let me 234 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: hold the baby type of person. You know when your 235 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: friends have babies and a let's to hold the baby. 236 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: I don't hold the baby. I am good. Four kids 237 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: is a lot so funny people laughing about you are 238 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 1: the least maternal person and you're the one who ended 239 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: up with four kids. But I do love my kids 240 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: so much. I'm obsessed with them. I really liked seeing 241 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: this side of Beck because I think a lot of 242 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: millennials and Gen Zettas could relate to not particularly feeling maternal, 243 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,719 Speaker 1: because we're this generation that have grown up focusing on 244 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: our careers and other aspects of our life, and sometimes 245 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: you can think, oh, why don't I feel this certain 246 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: way towards kids, Why don't I have this pool But 247 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: to hear her say on that maternal, but it's actually 248 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: great having kids, and I love them and I'm obsessed 249 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: with them. Yeah, but I think that's a big difference 250 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: between liking other people's children and liking your own. Sometimes apurently, 251 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: we got Aloha for content, but while we get a 252 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: dog and magilard hell for content. Indy Clinton has sparked 253 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: debate after launching subscriber only content on her TikTok so 254 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: for nine to ninety a month, subscribers get access to 255 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: exclusive TikTok lives and also videos. Now. So far, Indy 256 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: has uploaded three subscriber videos, with the rest of the 257 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: videos still free to view. I was kind of surprised 258 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: when I saw that only five hundred and ninety six 259 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: of Indy's one point nine million followers had subscribed. It 260 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: does equal around six thousand dollars a month, which equates 261 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: to seventy two thousand dollars a year. However, there is 262 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: a catch, so TikTok takes home fifty percent of the profits, 263 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: leaving Indy with three thousand a month and thirty six 264 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year. I saw a lot of comments 265 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: from followers saying, oh my god, I can't believe how 266 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: much she's taking home a month just for putting up 267 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: a few extra TikTok videos. But when you break it 268 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: down and see the large percentages that some platforms are 269 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: taking from creators, it is quite large, a meaning even 270 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: with Sense a lot, even with us we have a 271 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: subscription podcast, and at the very beginning in the first year, 272 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 1: Apple takes quite a large chunk of that. It does, 273 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: and it continues to take quite a big chunk of 274 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: it too. But if you look at it, say Indy 275 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: doesn't gain any more followers, which is really unlikely. I'm 276 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: sure she'll pick up a lot more subscribers. That's not 277 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: that much for Indy when you think about how much 278 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 1: she could make for a single brand deal. That's the thing. 279 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: When India announced that she was going to have this 280 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: new subscription offering on TikTok, she said it came down 281 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 1: to the fact that she doesn't want to push out 282 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: ads and work with brands that she doesn't align with. 283 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: I wonder if she thought she would be signing on 284 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: more than this. I mean, I sure that number will grow. 285 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: The reaction from Indie's followers was really mixed, so some 286 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: people were disappointed and thought it might mean they're going 287 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 1: to start missing out on parts of Indy's life, whilst 288 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: others said it's no different to other influencers starting Patreon 289 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: accounts or subscription channels on Instagram. Other followers blame TikTok 290 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: for not allowing Australian creators to sign up to the 291 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: very lucrative TikTok Creator Fund, which has been around since 292 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Last year, that fund was replaced by a 293 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: new model, which is called the Creativity Program, and creators 294 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: are paid per every thousand views, so the more views 295 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,119 Speaker 1: you get, the more money you make. So for example, 296 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: if her creator gets one million views on a video, 297 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: they earned just under two thousand US dollars. It's so 298 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: unfair because this program is only available to creators in 299 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: the US, UK, France, Germany, Spain and Italy. I would 300 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: be so pissed off if I was a creator like 301 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: Indy Clinton, because she could be making so much more 302 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: money by doing this, and as she referenced, actually taking 303 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: on less SPONSORSHI deals, which would be I suppose more 304 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: authentic to her followers. Well, there have been rumors since 305 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: October that Australia might be granted access to this program, 306 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: but so far it looks unlikely. There are a couple 307 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: of loopholes with this program. So the videos have to 308 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: be a minute long, you can only use royalty free music, 309 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: you have to be over the age of eighteen, and 310 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: you have to at least have ten thousand followers and 311 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: one hundred thousand views within thirty days to be eligible. 312 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: Now they are saying that this new initiative will pay 313 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: out twenty times more than the old fund did, But 314 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: because of these loopholes, it makes it a lot more difficult. 315 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: Because if you think about those huge viral videos on TikTok, 316 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: a lot of them are popular because they'll use trending tracks, 317 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: and if you're not allowed to use that, it cuts 318 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: out a lot of those viral modes. But also there 319 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: were a lot of clips that were going off on 320 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: TikTok that will say ten seconds long, because TikTok rewards 321 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: the creator if someone watches the video in its entirety 322 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: and if they watch it over and over again, which 323 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: obviously if it's a ten second video, you might sit 324 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: there and watch it a few times. Yeah, it does 325 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: seem to be part of TikTok's overall strategy to motivate 326 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: creators to make longer form content and also higher quality content. 327 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: It seems like they're trying to steal a lot of 328 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: creators over from YouTube. I mean, nowadays you would probably 329 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: go to TikTok to watch daily flocks as opposed to YouTube, 330 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: and I think is the way that we view TikTok 331 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: has changed. Before it was just these short clips, but 332 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: now you go to TikTok when you're bored and want 333 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: to be entertained. I think we're going to see a 334 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: lot more influencers and creators opting to share their lives 335 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: on subscriber platforms, and this is due to a lot 336 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: of the negativity and hate they receive, because I think 337 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: we're seeing a lot of influencers holding back because I 338 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of influencers who don't want to 339 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: be vulnerable on their main accounts because they're fearful of 340 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: what's going to come. Especially on TikTok. Everyone's so vicious 341 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: on there. The difficult thing about the way social media 342 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: works now is we're constantly being fed these short form 343 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: videos from people who we don't follow, So a lot 344 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: of the time these videos lack any context, which will 345 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: lead to people jumping on and making assumptions and usually 346 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: being quite rude to that creator. So I can see 347 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: why influencers would turn around and say, hey, I'm only 348 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: going to be vulnerable or open up to my core 349 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: community of people who support me. I'm not gonna I'm 350 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: gonna put parameters around who I share content with. Yeah, 351 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: but they might lose followers by doing that or subsequently 352 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: not actually grow their followership because people want to see 353 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: real and raw content and people do get pissed off 354 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: when it is suddenly behind a paywall. I'm not blaming 355 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: Indy though, because I think it's clever. She's obviously not 356 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: receiving any money from the TikTok creator fund. She's one 357 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: of Australia's most popular TikTok creators. I find it interesting though, 358 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: if you look at what content she's decided to put 359 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 1: behind the paywall, and I think that's what sparked a 360 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 1: bit of not anger, but a bit of I suppose 361 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: questions have been raised by her followers because the first 362 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 1: video was her dog Billy meeting her new puppy, and 363 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: we spoke on the podcast on Tuesday. There's been a 364 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: bit of controversy around her dog Billy potentially nipping at 365 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 1: some of her children, so a lot of her followers 366 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: have been interested to see how the two dogs interact 367 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: with each other. Yeah, it was an interesting one to 368 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: keep behind the paywall like and see why she did it. 369 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: She probably thought, I can't be bothered with everyone's comments 370 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 1: today and back. She actually did put up a TikTok 371 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: video today where she commented on her and she was 372 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 1: saying to her husband Ben, let's rename Aloha to be 373 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,479 Speaker 1: content because everyone is apparently claiming that I bought this 374 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: dog for content. And then Ben was like, why the 375 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: fuck would we make our life even harder just for content? 376 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: Like he was beside himself. I mean, one point we 377 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: didn't really mention on the podcast on Tuesday was the 378 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 1: fact that Indy's brand is known as being chaotic, so 379 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 1: adding a puppy to the mix was very on brand 380 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: for her. We're about to go into all of the 381 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: This week. Fitness entrepreneurs Steph Claire Smith and Laura Henshaw 382 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: released a three part series on their podcast about how 383 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: they've navigated to the toughest conversations in their friendship. This 384 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: was a real tease, wasn't it, Because there's been conversations 385 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: online about a supposed feud between Laura and Steph. Yeah. 386 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: And to me, when they promoted the episode like this, 387 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: I thought, oh my god, they're going to give us 388 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: all of the dirt on what went down in this 389 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: popper corn room. Yeah, because this was a very publicized fight. 390 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: So back in May, the Daily Mail reported that there 391 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: was a rift between the famous fitness duo and these 392 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: two have been friends for ten years. They launched Kickback 393 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen and they have quickly had to work 394 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 1: out how to run a business with a friend. So 395 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: the Daily Mail reported that a year and a half ago, 396 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: Steph and Laura had a bust up during a luxury holiday. 397 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: So the article said that the women were enjoying a 398 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: getaway with their husbands Dalton and Josh when a fight 399 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: broke out, and it claimed that their partners were forced 400 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: to intervene and split up the conflict before the fight 401 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: became nastiest. So it sounded like things got very tense. 402 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: It almost sounded like there was like about to be 403 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: a physical altercation. Yeah, And I think people kind of 404 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 1: loved this article because everyone, in their own weird way 405 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: almost wants there to be a fight between Steph and Laura. 406 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 1: It's like this sick thing of like nobody. I don't 407 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: know it's because they appear perfect, but I also think 408 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: it's because society and the media has an obsession with 409 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: pitying two successful women against each other. You might be 410 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 1: wondering how the Daily Mail ascertained these details because they 411 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: don't have a good track record of getting things right. 412 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: So they built this story around an interview that Laura 413 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: did on the Share My Mood podcast. So in the interview, 414 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: Laura mentioned that they had a fight, but she didn't 415 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: say what triggered it. She did say that their husbands 416 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: had convinced them to sit down and be open with 417 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: each other, So I mean she didn't say that they 418 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 1: had a punch up or anything like that. Now, Stephan, 419 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: Laura addressed the Daily Mail article at the start of 420 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: the episode, saying this, but. 421 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 3: It is something that we've been wanting to talk to 422 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 3: you guys about for a while. 423 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: And tackles some. 424 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 3: Less than ideal kind of headlines that have been out. 425 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: There about us. And I think that obviously the headline 426 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 1: that we had a rift and our husbands had to 427 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 1: split up, a nasty fight yea between us is something 428 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: we want to talk about. So as you can hear, 429 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: the women confirmed there was no physical contact between them 430 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: and their husbands did not have to hold them back. 431 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: This was the most open they got during the podcast, though, 432 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: because the rest of the very long, forty five minute 433 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 1: conversation it just went around in circles. I felt like 434 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: I was this friend listening into this conversation, but I 435 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: was out of the loop because they never once addressed 436 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: what this fight was about. It's like they thought, geez, 437 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: the Daily Mail got a lot of clicks for that's headline. 438 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,479 Speaker 1: Fuck it, We'll just recycle it for the podcast and 439 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: get the clicks. I mean, particularly because this was promoted 440 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: as a three part episode, so you're thinking, wow, there 441 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,479 Speaker 1: must be a lot for them to tell. What are 442 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: they telling for the next two parts? So what they're 443 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: actually doing for the next two parts is they're having 444 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: this coach on who is to coach they it's like 445 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: this relationship coach, but she actually works for their business, 446 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: so she's an advisor for Kick and she was the 447 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: person who they had a very difficult conversation with about 448 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: their friendship. So I don't know if it was their 449 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: way of thinking, well, we're going to have this woman 450 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: on an episode. Let's try and make it a little 451 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: bit personal by pretending that we're going to go into 452 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: our fight. Maybe we could hire her for this podcast. Oh, 453 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: that would probably be helpful. We'd probably need to speak 454 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: to someone about the way we talk to each other. 455 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: I enjoyed hearing about what went down on night one 456 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: of their trip, though, because this is where we sort 457 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: of got an idea of what happened. So they said 458 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: that their husband stayed up with a bottle of wine, 459 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 1: and they got into a d and M about their 460 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: wives and the stresses that they were bringing home from work, 461 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 1: and they discovered that both Steph and Laura had been 462 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: venting about one another. So Dalton and Josh thought, Okay, 463 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: the best way that we're going to resolve this situation 464 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: is to have an intervention. So their husband's whilst probably 465 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: half tanked and wine, We're like, let's discuss it, guys. Well, 466 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: they didn't discuss it. Then they waited for the next night, 467 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: like two. The girls thought that they were going to 468 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: watch a movie together, and then the two guys came 469 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: in and said, we've got to talk about this. Fancy 470 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: your husband just throwing you under the bus like, oh, yeah, 471 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: she actually has been bitching about your wife as well. 472 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: I think that shows how men approach things so differently, 473 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: because I think that they would have wholeheardly felt like, 474 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: let's just talk about it and resolve things straight away 475 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: and that'll nip it in the bud, whereas most women 476 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: were emotional creatures. We don't want a fight to be 477 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: sprung on us. And it is embarrassing and almost like 478 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: could ruin your friendship to say, hey, they've been bitching 479 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: about your everything. They probably didn't say it like that, 480 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: but they probably just said, look, we've had a chat 481 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: and it seems like you both are feeling the same 482 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 1: feelings about each other. Well, what we discovered during this 483 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: podcast episode is that there seemed to be some sort 484 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: of tension around Steph returning to the office after maternity leave. 485 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: So Steph said her son, Harvey, was a year and 486 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: a half at the time of this fight, and Laura 487 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: seemed to be having all of these built up feelings 488 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: towards it. Again, they didn't actually say what the feelings were. 489 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,479 Speaker 1: It's not really surprising considering Laura has brought out this 490 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 1: other podcast series about whether she wants to have kids, 491 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: or not. I think it's definitely opened her eyes to 492 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: how difficult it actually is for working mums. This fight 493 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: must have been pretty bad, though, because Steph said that 494 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 1: she felt like the worst friend after it and felt 495 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: really yung, and she felt on eggshells around Laura and 496 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: really awkward around her. I can see I didn't what 497 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: I actually really feel for Steph and Laura, because it's 498 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: easy for Kate, Sophie and I like Sofa and I 499 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: run a pr business together. And well, not that it's 500 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: easier because you say things to your family members that 501 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: you would never say to anybody else. It's more that 502 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 1: you would forgive a family member where you might not 503 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: forgive a friend. One juicy nugget that Steph did drop 504 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: in this conversation is that Steph worried that Laura didn't 505 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: want to be her friend anymore after she became a mum. 506 00:24:58,960 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: Here's what she said. 507 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 3: I mean, one thing I had to work through in 508 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 3: therapy recently was like, there's a I don't know if 509 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 3: I've had this conversation with you, but like there's a 510 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 3: bit of an attachment thing with me and you, And 511 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 3: there was a period there where I was like genuinely 512 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 3: fearful because of the different phase of life that I 513 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 3: was in that you just didn't get me anymore and 514 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 3: we were going to fall out of friendship awesome, and 515 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 3: so I was trying to do everything that I could 516 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 3: to still make sure you liked me, because I was 517 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 3: never you've metals. 518 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: I don't believe I just did that, as you said, Amy. 519 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: This was even more interesting because Laura has recently launched 520 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: that podcast where she interviews people about basically not wanting 521 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: to have kids, and it sounds like she's not into 522 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: the whole fool. It sounds like it's a big thing 523 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,479 Speaker 1: for her at the moment. She's obviously spending a lot 524 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: of time thinking about it. I know people have said 525 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: that they didn't really drop much. I disagree. It's more 526 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,479 Speaker 1: so you need to listen to this podcast with the 527 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 1: sort of and read into it a bit more like 528 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: I haven't dropped, oh I said this, and yeah, but 529 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: you can read into a lot of this. But like, 530 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 1: to be honest, like when you just want to sit 531 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 1: down and listen to a podcast, you've been so have 532 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: this clickbait thing. Oh, we're going to go into this 533 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: epic fight that we had and then for forty seven minutes, 534 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: you have to piece together what the fuck went on? 535 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: Like it did my head and listening to it the 536 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 1: Amazon I got through it was for this podcast. Like 537 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: we've had people message in our group saying, is it 538 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,719 Speaker 1: worth investing in this? No, it's not just listening to 539 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: this podcat Maybe though, the counsel who will get to 540 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: the bottom of it, because they do ask tough questions, 541 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: So maybe she's going to be like, well, what is 542 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: it that annoys you or you know what happened to this? 543 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: It's it's going to be like asking questions on behalf 544 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 1: of listeners. I think it's going to be that sort 545 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: of scenario. I know we've spoken about it a few 546 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: times on the podcast, but they really are going there 547 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: with their content because it confuses me. They literally tell 548 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: you every detail about their sex life, yet they can't 549 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: tell us what they had a part about it. The 550 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 1: other day, I was shocked. I went on news dot 551 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: com today you and I saw this headline and it 552 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 1: was something about one dangerous sex act that Laura Henshaw did. 553 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 1: It was something along those lines, and I clicked on 554 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: the article and it was talking about her admission that 555 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,959 Speaker 1: she used a cucumber as a sex toy. And then 556 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: it was this full article about statistics showing how dangerous 557 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: it can be to use you know, objects around the house. 558 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: I just thought, my gosh, it's a PR team celebrating 559 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: that one, like you know, you get runs on the 560 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 1: board forgetting well to be fair. I did actually think, oh, 561 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: maybe I'll listen to that episode. Yeah, I mean listen 562 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: to those ones. Maybe give this one a little bit 563 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: of a miss because it was all over the place. 564 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: I think the issue is that when you promise that 565 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 1: you're going to address a fight and then you leave 566 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: your listeners in the dark, it does open up interpretation. 567 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: So I know, as soon as I finished listening to this, 568 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: I rank it up and we started speculating on what 569 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: else the fight could have been about. And my version 570 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 1: of things are probably way worse than what this fight 571 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: actually was, you know what I mean, Like people are 572 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,959 Speaker 1: just going to be like, holy fuck, they're closing. Geez, 573 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: these girls can't get along, like it might make the 574 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: Daily might make the Daily Mail listen to this and 575 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: cut little excerpts from it and make up more of 576 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: a story. Well, I think that's all we've got time 577 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: for today. Thank you so much for listening to another 578 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: episode of Outspoken. We are on Instagram and TikTok at 579 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: Outspoken Underscore the Underscore podcast, So for and I also 580 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: on Instagram if you want to follow us, if you 581 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: want to hear more from us. We dropped a subscriber 582 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 1: episode on Thursday where we did a little bit of 583 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: a relationships big time that we had. Yeah, we just 584 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone would be shocked or slash interested 585 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: in that whatsoever. But we did this relationship quiz, which 586 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: is a quiz that you do to get to know 587 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: each other better. It was a bit of fun. Now. 588 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: This episode was recorded on the traditional land of the 589 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to 590 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:46,479 Speaker 1: elders past and present.