1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Already and this is this is the Daily This is 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: the Daily OS. 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 2: Oh, now it makes sense. 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: Good morning, and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Wednesday, 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: the fifteenth of October. I'm Lucy Tassel, I'm Billiefit Simon's. 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: On Monday, Hamas released the twenty living hostages. It took 7 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: two years ago, and Israel released almost two thousand Palestinian 8 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: prisoners and detainees. Speaking to media on a flight to 9 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: Israel that day, US President Donald Trump said. 10 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 2: This the war is over. Okay, you understand that. 11 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: In today's episode, we'll walk you through the events of 12 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: Monday and explain what we know about the next steps. 13 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: So, Lucy, a lot happened on Monday. We had Hamas 14 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 2: releasing the twenty living remaining hostages. We had Israel also 15 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: releasing almost two thousand prison and detainees. Yeah, and Trump 16 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: spoke at Israel's parliament, which is called the Kanesset. Let's 17 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 2: go through each of those one by one. 18 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, So we'll start kind of in chronological order. The 19 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: first event of those was the release of the hostages, 20 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: So that happened in two batches two years ago. As 21 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: anyone listening to this podcast would know, Hamas attacked Israel, 22 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: taking two hundred and forty people hostage, including soldiers and 23 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: civilians such as people who were attending a music festival 24 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: near the border of Gaza, and Hamas also took others 25 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: from their homes, again also near the border of Gaza. 26 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: Many hostages, both living and dead, were released or rescued 27 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: by Israeli forces over the last two years. Those kind 28 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: of releases happened in previous pauses in hostilities, such as 29 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: in January. That meant that by Monday there were forty 30 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: eight still in Gaza. Twenty we have now confirmed were alive. 31 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: So then that means that there are twenty eight who 32 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: have died whilst being held captive. What do we know 33 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 2: about those people? 34 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: We know that Hamas is meant to release their remains 35 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: to the Red Cross, which has been facilitating these hostage transfers, 36 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: who will then give them to the IDF for identification. 37 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: At the time of recording, Hamas has returned four and 38 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: earlier this week, a spokesperson for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin 39 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: Netnya who said that if Hamas can't locate the remains 40 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: of any hostages. This spokesperson said an international body will 41 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: be set up to find their remains. But back to 42 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: Monday and to the living hostages. It started really a 43 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: little after four pm Sydney time. Hamas released seven living 44 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,679 Speaker 1: hostages to the Red Cross, who picked them up in 45 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: Gaza and took them to the IDF's custody. And around 46 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: this time some of the other thirteen hostages were able 47 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: to video call their family. Yes, the Red Cross took 48 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: this first group of hostages, as I said, to the IDF, 49 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: who then took them from there to reunite with their 50 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 1: families and receive urgent medical treatment. And then the same 51 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: process was repeated with the remaining thirteen hostages about three 52 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: hours later. Once all of those hostages were across the 53 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: border into Israel, Israeli forces began moving prisoners and detainees 54 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: from jails in buses out of the country. 55 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: So those are the Palestinian prisoners and detainees who are 56 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: being held by Israel. 57 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. 58 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 2: One question that I have had people ask me is 59 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: what is the difference between prisoners and detainees. And it's 60 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: a really good question because it's not something that if 61 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: we were talking about, you know, people in jail here 62 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: in Australia, we wouldn't be using that distinction. Why are 63 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: we using that distinction here? 64 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: The distinction is how these people ended up in Israeli jails. 65 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: So of the two thousand people released after the hostages, 66 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty were people on life sentences, including 67 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: people convicted of murder or planning and executing terror attacks. 68 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: So these people have been charged with a crime, tried 69 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: for a crime, and sentenced. But the majority of the group, 70 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: the other seventeen hundred were people Israel detained after the 71 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: seventh of October twenty twenty three. The majority of those, 72 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: I would say after seven October, and the wording of 73 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: the US led peace plan was that Israel needed to 74 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: release quote all women and children detained in that context, 75 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 1: and detained here means like taken into custody. Both the 76 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: UN Human Rights Office and Israeli human rights group Bethsalem 77 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: have found Israeli authorities have detained thousands of Palestinians indefinitely 78 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: without laying charges, without holding a trial. You and I 79 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time on Monday going through that 80 00:04:55,760 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: UN Rights Office report published in July twenty twenty four, 81 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: which specifically looked at what this report called the IDF's 82 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: quote arbitrary detention of Palestinians. After the seventh of October, 83 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: the UN found the IDF took Palestinians quote into custody 84 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: while they were sheltering in place or passing through checkpoints 85 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: while being displaced within Gaza. As we know, over the 86 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: last two years or have been many different movement and 87 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: displacement orders. 88 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 2: Right, So just to recap, when you say prisoners, they 89 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 2: are people who have been tried and are now in 90 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 2: prison because of that. And then when we say detainees, 91 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 2: those are people who broadly were arbitrarily detained by Israel, 92 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: you know, when they were fleeing Gaza or something like that. 93 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 2: And that is the overwhelming majority of the nearly two 94 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 2: thousand people who were released on Monday, Yes, got it. 95 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 2: And so where were they taken when they were released 96 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 2: on Monday. 97 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: So some were taken to the West Bank, which is 98 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: considered part of the occupied Palestinian territories under international law. 99 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: Others were taken to go which has been the target 100 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: of Israel's bombardment over the last two years. The prisoners 101 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: and detainees taken to Gaza join thousands of Palestinians moving 102 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: through Gaza, going back to where they once lived. As 103 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: I said, all those kind of displacement orders back in April, 104 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: so a few months ago. Now, the un estimated Israel's 105 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: bombing has damaged, if not destroyed, more than ninety percent 106 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: of all residences in Gaza. So that's just residences, just homes. 107 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: We also know Israel has bombed hospitals, universities, roads, mosques, churches, 108 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: destroying them in most cases. And that sort of takes 109 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: me to the third point in our chronology. We've now 110 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: touched on hostages, We've touched on prisoners and detainees. The 111 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: third thing I said we were going to talk about 112 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: was Trump's speech to the Knesset, and I bring this 113 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: up because he actually specifically mentioned rebuilding Gaza. 114 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 3: I want to thank the Arab and Muslim nations for 115 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 3: their commitment as they've made to support a safe rebuilding 116 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 3: of Gaza and beyond. I have many Arab countries, very 117 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 3: wealthy countries that came up and said we'll put up 118 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 3: tremendous amounts of money to get rebuilt, to rebuild Gaza, 119 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 3: and I think that's going to happen. 120 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: Those comments aligned with what we know Trump said a 121 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 2: few other times also on Monday, which is that the 122 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: war is over. Those are his words. The US is 123 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 2: not officially speaking a party to this conflict. So why 124 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 2: is Trump saying. 125 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: That the US is not an official party in the 126 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: sense of literally having soldiers on the ground necessarily in 127 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: terms of that specific conflict. But it has been heavily 128 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: involved from the beginning as Israel's closest ally, and the 129 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: US has sent billions of dollars in funding and sold 130 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: billions of dollars of weapons to Israel, and has also 131 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: been directly involved in negotiations under previous President Joe Biden 132 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: under current President Donald Trump. I said before also that 133 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: all of this is happening as part of a US 134 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: led ceasefire plan, and that plan specifies that Gaza will 135 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: be overseen by a board that includes Trump. There's also 136 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: the aspect that we've talked about many times now on 137 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: this podcast. Trump openly is seeking the Nobel Peace Prize 138 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: and has been nominated by Netnyahu for the twenty twenty 139 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: six prize. So he has a motivation for saying the 140 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 1: war is over under his plan. He's saying the war 141 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: is over because I need there to be peace. 142 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 2: It's interesting the conversation about the Nobel Peace Prize. I've 143 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 2: also heard Australia's Foreign Minister Penny Wong saying that she 144 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 2: actually does believe that Donald Trump should be eligible and 145 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 2: could indeed receive it because of his efforts in negotiating 146 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 2: this plan. But that's a whole other thing. One thing 147 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: that I want to touch on is the fact that 148 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 2: we have heard that this is just the first fase. Yeah, 149 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 2: but from my understanding, we don't know what the second 150 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 2: phase of this specific plan looks like. So what do 151 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 2: we know about what happens next? 152 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: I wish I could give you more details. Certainly, we 153 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: have covered the points that Trump is trying to make 154 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: happen on a previous episode, which will link in the 155 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: show notes. The next immediate step that has already taken 156 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: place is that a group of world leaders met in 157 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: Egypt to discuss what happens next for Gaza. People like 158 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: Trump attended French President Emmanuel Macron Mahmoudabas, who leads the 159 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: Palestinian Authority. Now, the Authority governs parts of the West 160 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: Bank and is meant eventually to take governance of the 161 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: entire state of Palestine, including Gaza. Abbas's attendance was confirmed 162 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: on Monday, so later than the other world leaders, and 163 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: there was an announcement that Natnyahu would attend to but 164 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: then that was actually very quickly withdrawn because of a 165 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: religious holiday around this time. So I should also note 166 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 1: that Hamas did not send representatives, so Israel and Hamas 167 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: were not represented at this these peace talks. This Egypt 168 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: summit was pretty short. Trump actually has already headed back 169 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: to the US at the time of recording. It was 170 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,839 Speaker 1: accompanied by a lot of meetings on the side, and 171 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: I would say the main thing that came out of 172 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: it was that Trump and the leaders of Egypt, Turkey 173 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: and Qatar, all of whom have been involved in ceasefine negotiations, 174 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: signed a document. This document essentially says these countries commit 175 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: to pursuing peace long term, but it doesn't have a 176 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: lot of specifics. Trump also again in a speech, committed 177 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: to rebuilding Gaza, but he refused to commit to a 178 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: two state solution with a state of Israel and a 179 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: state of Palestine, as other countries including Australia have, and 180 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: he said negotiations had begun on this second phase. But 181 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: as I said, I wish I had more details, but 182 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: he did not go into those details. That was published 183 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: did not have a lot of details. This summit is 184 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: already over. 185 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 2: That's interesting. I didn't realize that the Egypt summit is 186 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 2: already over. 187 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 1: I also had a perception, I don't know how, but 188 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: it is going to be long, but it turns out 189 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: it really wasn't. 190 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 191 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 1: All we really know now is that Trump says he's 192 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: seeking a lasting piece, but we don't know how that 193 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: will look. We don't know what the next phase of 194 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: negotiations really will involve, and there are still a lot 195 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: of questions unanswered. I hate to leave the listeners with 196 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 1: so many open questions, but I've really told you all 197 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: that we can say. 198 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, so this stage we have now all of the 199 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 2: remaining hostages have been. 200 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: Released, at least all of the little White hostages. 201 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 2: We also know that the Palestinian prisoners and detainees have 202 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 2: been released by Israel. And we also know that Israel 203 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 2: has withdrawn to an agreed uponline. That's the official wording 204 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 2: in Gaza. In terms of what is next, we don't know. 205 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: We don't know. There's a lot of things still to 206 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: me negotiated, such as Hamas disarming, which is what Israel 207 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: is calling for. Whether or not that will actually happen 208 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: still to be determined. 209 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 2: All right, well, Lucy, we will as always keep a 210 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 2: very close eye on what happens next. Thank you for explaining, 211 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 2: Thanks Billy, and thank you so much for listening to 212 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 2: this episode of The Daily os. 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