Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome to another episode of Outspoken. You're joined
Speaker 1: as usual by journalists Amy and Sophie Torber. Unfortunately Kate's
Speaker 1: not here because she's doing work with the thirty sixers,
Speaker 1: but Sophie and I decided we wanted to do a
Speaker 1: business related podcast because Sophie and I run a public
Speaker 1: relations firm called the pr Bible, which we're actually set.
Speaker 2: To rename Almi soov.
Speaker 1: Yes, we have been deciding on a name for the
Speaker 1: past couple of weeks and we finally come up with
Speaker 1: one that we're happy with and we will review it
Speaker 1: at some point, but we've registered it, which is really exciting.
Speaker 1: But we're already at the end of January. So we
Speaker 1: wanted to share some motivational tips on how to get
Speaker 1: your twenty twenty started doing something that you actually love.
Speaker 1: And I think so many of us find ourselves in
Speaker 1: careers that we might not be passionate about now. I
Speaker 1: think so many of us find ourselves in jobs that
Speaker 1: we might suddenly lose a bit of passion for, and
Speaker 1: so I think we were put in a really difficult
Speaker 1: position in twenty sixteen where we still loved what we
Speaker 1: were doing, but we were unable to do it. For
Speaker 1: those who might not have heard our first episode of Outspoken,
Speaker 1: we were reporters for Channel seven for a number of
Speaker 1: years and it did come to a point where we
Speaker 1: had to do, well, we're forced to move on.
Speaker 2: And do something else. Let's just say so.
Speaker 1: For me, I had to get a job immediately, so
Speaker 1: I'd never really considered doing PR before. And I think
Speaker 1: it's worth mentioning that there were issues surrounding why we
Speaker 1: couldn't get another job in journalism. So maybe go back
Speaker 1: and listen to episode one and that will get you
Speaker 1: up to speed if you're really interested. But I suppose
Speaker 1: we had to try and find something else we were
Speaker 1: passionate about, or we had to look further to other
Speaker 1: industries that our degree related to. Yeah, and we weren't
Speaker 1: really in a position where we were that passionate about
Speaker 1: PR or content creation to start our own business, because
Speaker 1: we were very much in the mindset of journalism. So
Speaker 1: I found a job at a local PR firm and
Speaker 1: Amy got a job at Mix one or two point
Speaker 1: three doing their content creation. But I think we can
Speaker 1: safely say they were jobs where we didn't really feel fulfilled.
Speaker 2: We weren't happy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just remember having that Sunday night dread, and
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people listening may be able
Speaker 1: to relate with that. It's just where you're like, no,
Speaker 1: I can't go back, and every Friday you'd look forward to,
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's going to be the weekend, and
Speaker 1: the weekend would go so quickly and you'd be back
Speaker 1: at doing something you hated. I used to get the
Speaker 1: biggest dread on Sunday afternoons, and it's just that feeling
Speaker 1: in the pit of your stomach, and that's when you
Speaker 1: know you really aren't enjoying work and you're not somewhere
Speaker 1: where you feel motivated. It was hard during those times
Speaker 1: because I previously had a job which I loved, and
Speaker 1: although there was sometimes a bit of dread, it was
Speaker 1: more anxiety that came along with being a reporter because
Speaker 1: you might not have known what you were doing. I
Speaker 1: really did love the majority of people I worked with,
Speaker 1: and you felt like you had a career there, and
Speaker 1: then when that all ended, it was about re establishing
Speaker 1: what we actually liked doing. So I think that those
Speaker 1: jobs in a way were really good because it showed
Speaker 1: us that we really didn't want to be doing that,
Speaker 1: and we didn't want to be working for somebody else,
Speaker 1: and you do really lost when you don't have that
Speaker 1: inspiration anymore or that end goal. Like for us, our
Speaker 1: goal was to become a reporter, and we got there,
Speaker 1: and then obviously it was to better ourselves in that field.
Speaker 2: And when you're in this new field.
Speaker 1: Where you don't really know what your end goal is,
Speaker 1: it can be quite depressing. Well, when I was working
Speaker 1: at the radio station, that's where I decided that we
Speaker 1: both needed to do something that we actually loved. And
Speaker 1: I think although public relations wasn't necessarily our passion to
Speaker 1: begin with, and that's not why we did a journalism degree,
Speaker 1: it slowly became such a desirable career because one we
Speaker 1: could run our own business, we could set our own targets,
Speaker 1: so the idea that we could actually have a say
Speaker 1: how much we earn as well was also really desirable.
Speaker 1: The thing I loved is we've worked for a number
Speaker 1: of dickheads. Now I have to say that a number
Speaker 1: of dickhead bosses, a few lovely ones as well, But
Speaker 1: when you've worked for a dickhead, there's nothing more gratifying
Speaker 1: than being your own boss and calling your own shots. Well,
Speaker 1: when we decided we wanted to start our own business
Speaker 1: and not work for dickheads.
Speaker 2: As you're talking about.
Speaker 1: It was really hard to work out whether we could
Speaker 1: do it as a side hustle, and in your circumstance
Speaker 1: you couldn't because you're already working for a PR firm.
Speaker 1: But I think if people are listening and they're thinking
Speaker 1: about starting something up, sometimes a side hustle is such
Speaker 1: a good idea because it does take a lot of
Speaker 1: hard work to launch a business, and there is a
Speaker 1: lot of risk involved. And I think at the moment
Speaker 1: it's become really a popular thing to be an entrepreneur
Speaker 1: and to run your own business, but there are some
Speaker 1: realities of running a full time business. We would love
Speaker 1: to talk to you guys further about. One question I
Speaker 1: get a lot from people is how did you break
Speaker 1: the news to your boss that you were starting up
Speaker 1: your own public relations firm?
Speaker 2: And that can be the case.
Speaker 1: That could be the case for a lot of other people,
Speaker 1: even if your side hustle is perhaps unrelated.
Speaker 2: It is that moment where you've got.
Speaker 1: To put your I mean, because it is kind of
Speaker 1: a dream on the table, and you do feel silly
Speaker 1: because you don't have it all worked out a lot
Speaker 1: of the time, I mean, but it's supposed in your
Speaker 1: instance it was quite awkward because your boss might have
Speaker 1: seen our company. Sorry, your boss might have seen our
Speaker 1: business as a threat to her business. So how did
Speaker 1: you navigate all of that? And what would be your
Speaker 1: advice for someone who is starting up a business that
Speaker 1: might actually rival the one they're working at. My advice
Speaker 1: would be that you've got to do what's best for
Speaker 1: you at the end of the day. I had been
Speaker 1: working at this public relations company for about a year,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't motivated or being appreciated there, and I
Speaker 1: didn't think that I owed it to my boss at
Speaker 1: the time to explain that I was opening up and
Speaker 1: other public relations firm. Now, there were a few bigger
Speaker 1: elements to that, because I was running a huge campaign
Speaker 1: at the time, and I was worried I wouldn't get
Speaker 1: to finish that off for the client's sake. So you
Speaker 1: were worried that her reaction to you saying, Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: leaving to start this business. You thought she might react
Speaker 1: by saying You've got to leave immediately and this business
Speaker 1: would be left in the law reach. That's right at
Speaker 1: the same time, we were set to do this as
Speaker 1: a side hustle, so we thought we locked another work
Speaker 1: to do, which didn't actually turn out, so our side
Speaker 1: hustle turned into a full time muscle. Yeah, but my
Speaker 1: advice would be you don't owe your ex boss the world.
Speaker 1: What I ended up doing was saying to my boss
Speaker 1: that I really wasn't passionate about what I was doing.
Speaker 1: I wanted to explore other opportunities, and then before we
Speaker 1: launched the business, I followed up with an email to
Speaker 1: let the person know that we would be starting our business,
Speaker 1: and that was not received well. I think that's a
Speaker 1: really important point though, talking about other people's expectations of you,
Speaker 1: and I think at the end of the day, you're
Speaker 1: ultimate happiness is the most important thing to you. So
Speaker 1: you shouldn't let the fear of, say telling your current
Speaker 1: boss that you're going to start a business or a
Speaker 1: side hustle. It shouldn't stop you from actually doing what
Speaker 1: you love. And I think a lot of times people
Speaker 1: will often be worried about maybe what their friends might
Speaker 1: think of them or their family, And I know in
Speaker 1: our situation it was quite funny because we of course
Speaker 1: had told our mum and dad that we were thinking
Speaker 1: of launching a business, but it was kind of in
Speaker 1: the really early stages, and as we mentioned before, we
Speaker 1: thought it was going to be a side hustle and
Speaker 1: we had this other opportunity lined up and that would
Speaker 1: be our main income source and that ended up falling through.
Speaker 1: But thankfully for us, our mum and dad were in
Speaker 1: Europe at the time, so it was kind of good
Speaker 1: because we didn't have the stress of having to have
Speaker 1: that conversation in person, even though we were what twenty
Speaker 1: eight or something. You do always think, oh, my gosh,
Speaker 1: what are my parents going to think. I think there
Speaker 1: is a lot of judgment as well well for people
Speaker 1: who are older and have always worked in traditional roles.
Speaker 1: For other people, I feel like younger people get it
Speaker 1: a bit more because with this world of social media,
Speaker 1: there's so many opportunities to work from home or work
Speaker 1: from your own small office and to build an empire.
Speaker 1: But I think for a lot of older people it's
Speaker 1: not something that was done back in the day. That
Speaker 1: is so true, and I feel like the Internet, as
Speaker 1: you say, has made it more possible for us to
Speaker 1: be able to have these kind of opportunities. And one
Speaker 1: question that we get asked a lot is how do
Speaker 1: you go and actually get new clients on board? So
Speaker 1: it could be new clients. If you're a videographer and
Speaker 1: you've got a company or sort of any business, it
Speaker 1: really relates to how do you get those first clients
Speaker 1: or customers. And I think that was our biggest struggle
Speaker 1: because it's really hard to get people on board when
Speaker 1: they've never heard of your company.
Speaker 2: So one thing we did was we offered our.
Speaker 1: Services for a really reduced price for one of our
Speaker 1: new clients, and who was a netballer and she was
Speaker 1: a and it was probably our smartest move because she
Speaker 1: is well known, so she obviously told other people that
Speaker 1: she enjoyed working with us, and then other people saw
Speaker 1: us working with her, so it legitimized our business. We
Speaker 1: also did free videography work because I was trained up
Speaker 1: as a video journalist when I was at seven and
Speaker 1: we thought, oh, well, lots of businesses need video. Well,
Speaker 1: I think you've got to be really careful about doing
Speaker 1: free work. I'm in two mindsets about it. I think
Speaker 1: when you're starting off and if you don't have much
Speaker 1: experience in the field that you're working in, it is
Speaker 1: a good idea to do some form of free work,
Speaker 1: but I think you can back it up by asking
Speaker 1: about doing a collaboration. So, for example, just say your
Speaker 1: side hustle is a florist and someone wants free flowers
Speaker 1: for an event. If you say, okay, I'm happy to
Speaker 1: write them for free. But then you say, but I
Speaker 1: want to do a collaboration with you, whereby you promote
Speaker 1: my business on your social media. I think that's a
Speaker 1: healthy exchange. Also, I think if it's with a huge,
Speaker 1: huge company, it's a really good idea to do it.
Speaker 1: And at first you might be thinking, well, this business
Speaker 1: obviously has a lot of money they could be paying me.
Speaker 1: The thing is, if you've got no experience or your
Speaker 1: business is new, aligning yourself with a big business is
Speaker 1: one way to get other big clients on board.
Speaker 2: So I would highly.
Speaker 1: Recommend hitting up some big businesses and saying you're going
Speaker 1: to do some work for free for them. Going back
Speaker 1: to your question about how to get new clients on
Speaker 1: board when you are a new business on new customers,
Speaker 1: I think you've also got to fake it till you
Speaker 1: make it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean with us, we used a lot of our
Speaker 1: previous experience in journalism to help us. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, you've got to get your Instagram account running,
Speaker 1: you've got to get your website up. You've got to
Speaker 1: make your business appear that it's been doing it for
Speaker 1: longer than it has. You don't have to point out
Speaker 1: to people, oh, you're my first client. I think one
Speaker 1: good tip for people who are starting a business to
Speaker 1: make it look legit, as you're saying so, is to
Speaker 1: ditch your email address that's at hotmail or at Gmail.
Speaker 1: It is so cheap to actually just get a business
Speaker 1: email address connected to your name, your business name. I mean,
Speaker 1: that was one of the first things we did, because
Speaker 1: if you're emailing someone from a Gmail account, you're instantly
Speaker 1: your emails instantly going to be deleted.
Speaker 2: You also have to draw.
Speaker 1: Upon any contacts that you have made in your professional.
Speaker 2: Career as well.
Speaker 1: There's always someone you could probably think of to reach
Speaker 1: out for advice. It's all about being confident and making
Speaker 1: those connections again or reconnecting with people. That's what we
Speaker 1: did when we first started out business. Sometimes it is
Speaker 1: just jumping on the phone or meeting face to face
Speaker 1: because sometimes this email stuff just doesn't work. Also, I
Speaker 1: think some people make the mistake of sending out emails
Speaker 1: which are clearly copied and pasted. So I think it's
Speaker 1: easy to get caught up in that and to think
Speaker 1: you're being efficient by doing that. But sometimes it's so
Speaker 1: good if you just spend an extra five minutes looking
Speaker 1: into a potential client, you know, if they're a business,
Speaker 1: looking what they do, what's past events they've done, and
Speaker 1: then you can mention something personal in your emails that
Speaker 1: actually looks like you've taken the time to know what
Speaker 1: that business does. I think it's important too to make
Speaker 1: sure that you have set up the business correctly. Now
Speaker 1: you were very good at this stuff. Now could you
Speaker 1: talk us through how you set up our business. The
Speaker 1: thing is I knew nothing about setting up a business.
Speaker 1: I was just a journalist. I didn't really know much
Speaker 1: about business. I knew that eventually one day i'd like
Speaker 1: to have one, but I never looked into it. And
Speaker 1: that's where different government business sites help you, because they
Speaker 1: do give you the steps to setting it up, but
Speaker 1: some of their advice is so contradictory. They do have
Speaker 1: a chat function which I found really useful, but I
Speaker 1: think if you are looking to set up a business,
Speaker 1: The first thing you need to do is to actually
Speaker 1: register your business name, and there is a site where
Speaker 1: you can check the availability of your business name, so
Speaker 1: first try and find out.
Speaker 2: I think that was really hard for us.
Speaker 1: I mean, we actually hate our business name now and
Speaker 1: as we said, we're changing it for those who might
Speaker 1: be wondering, our business is the pr Bible, and along
Speaker 1: our two year journey we have discovered that probably wasn't
Speaker 1: a great name to come up with. We've been asked
Speaker 1: on several occasions whether we're religious. We do so much
Speaker 1: more videography work now, so we feel it doesn't really
Speaker 1: reflect what we do. But at the same time, it
Speaker 1: really helped with our SEO and for those wondering it
Speaker 1: was because of places like the Bierley Bible or the
Speaker 1: lad Bible. That's kind of the concept we were going with. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's also easy. It's easy to sort of put
Speaker 1: off your business because you can't think of a business name.
Speaker 1: So I think sometimes it is just a good to
Speaker 1: just go, okay, I can't think of it, like this
Speaker 1: is the best I can come up with. At the time,
Speaker 1: that was the best business name we could come up with,
Speaker 1: and at the end of the day. There are so
Speaker 1: many businesses out there with weird names that probably sounded
Speaker 1: weird to begin with, but now because of branding, and
Speaker 1: they've been around for ages. You I mean Google. If
Speaker 1: you told me that you wanted to call our business
Speaker 1: Google Sophie, I'd be like what. And we have to
Speaker 1: We have been doing a lot of research about the
Speaker 1: sort of names for business because we are rebranding.
Speaker 2: As we mentioned.
Speaker 1: If someone is at home listening to this thinking of
Speaker 1: coming up with how to come up with the name,
Speaker 1: one of the biggest tips is to use a two
Speaker 1: syllable word, not a three hint that might even give
Speaker 1: people a hint of what our name is going to be.
Speaker 1: The other important thing when setting up your business is
Speaker 1: obviously registering an ABN and a tax file number and
Speaker 1: working out if you want to be a sole trader,
Speaker 1: a partnership or a company. So SOF and I are
Speaker 1: a family partnership, and that's really great for us because
Speaker 1: it means that at the end of the financial year,
Speaker 1: we're purely taxed on whatever we have each earned, so
Speaker 1: rather than if you're a company, you also get taxed
Speaker 1: on your earning. So it's really important to look into
Speaker 1: that I think one thing that one thing we've learned
Speaker 1: as well is it is so important to get contracts shortage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes it's hard because, especially in a job like public
Speaker 1: relations where your relationship with the client is everything, sometimes
Speaker 1: you can get in a situation where you feel it's awkward, Yeah,
Speaker 1: to make them sign the papers. At the end of
Speaker 1: the day, you look like a good business owner if
Speaker 1: you're being professional and dealing with things in a professional manner. Well,
Speaker 1: ultimately it makes it less awkward if they don't pay,
Speaker 1: doesn't it. One huge tip as well is you do
Speaker 1: really have to manage the back end of your business
Speaker 1: because you can feel like you were getting all this
Speaker 1: work done, you're absolutely killing it, and then you can
Speaker 1: look at your bank account and you've got no money
Speaker 1: in there. Because you've also got to remember the a
Speaker 1: lot of different businesses that you may be working with,
Speaker 1: they all run on their own rostering slash finance system,
Speaker 1: so you've really got to get on top of making
Speaker 1: sure your invoices are in at a particular time and
Speaker 1: sending reminders. If they're late, just follow it up. Also,
Speaker 1: another one is to set up if you don't have
Speaker 1: an account's team, which we didn't have initially is to
Speaker 1: set up an email that looks as if you do,
Speaker 1: because if you're dealing with someone face to face, it
Speaker 1: can be so awkward having to ask for money. So
Speaker 1: set up and accounts at whatever your business is, and
Speaker 1: you can send emails from their obviously your invoices and
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. And I think another important thing
Speaker 1: to remember is when you start a business and it's
Speaker 1: your full time business, you are not going to earn
Speaker 1: very much in your first year. So if you were
Speaker 1: wanting to take that risk and invest your time and
Speaker 1: money into a business, you probably should have a safe
Speaker 1: amount of savings that you can potentially live off if
Speaker 1: the business doesn't take off. In our first year, we
Speaker 1: earned a modest amount that we could live off, but
Speaker 1: we had to rely on some of our savings. And
Speaker 1: so what you'll find from year to year is you
Speaker 1: easily double your earnings from the first year the second year.
Speaker 1: Once you're established, it just becomes easier and easier, but
Speaker 1: it will take time. I think the best piece of
Speaker 1: advice is to also make an appointment to sit and
Speaker 1: speak to your accountant, because they are just a wealth
Speaker 1: of information, and our accountant in particular he sat down
Speaker 1: with us and made us aware that businesses don't earn
Speaker 1: that much in the first year, and I felt like
Speaker 1: that was kind of good to hear, because sometimes after
Speaker 1: the first year you can feel like a failure because
Speaker 1: perhaps you weren't earning what you were before. But owning
Speaker 1: a business is a process, and that's the most exciting
Speaker 1: thing about it is you have control over how much
Speaker 1: money you can potentially earn. And for those of you
Speaker 1: who might be listening that maybe aren't in the position
Speaker 1: to throw themselves into the deep end and launch a
Speaker 1: full time business, I think side hustles are really important
Speaker 1: for us to delve into a little bit. As we said,
Speaker 1: we thought the pr Bible was going to be our
Speaker 1: side hustle, but it didn't turn out that way. At
Speaker 1: the moment, this podcast is Sophie and My side hustle
Speaker 1: and also Kates. It's something we love doing and one
Speaker 1: day we hope it will grow bigger and bigger. I
Speaker 1: think what's amazing is how lucky we are to be
Speaker 1: living in twenty twenty when we have the Internet and
Speaker 1: the ability to be able to run a side business successfully.
Speaker 1: If you think back to when your parents were your
Speaker 1: age they didn't have the Internet. It wasn't that easy
Speaker 1: just to start up an Instagram business or sell stuff
Speaker 1: on eBay. So if I were talking about a little bit,
Speaker 1: because for those who listen to the podcast, they'll know
Speaker 1: that I've been a big fan of Facebook Marketplace recently,
Speaker 1: and I suppose that is the most simple side hustle
Speaker 1: one could have if you're looking to earn a little
Speaker 1: bit of extra money. So I did some quick sums
Speaker 1: and I worked out if you were to make one
Speaker 1: hundred dollars a week just by selling the old crap
Speaker 1: you had around the house or going to a garage
Speaker 1: sale and flipping something, you would make an extra five thousand,
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars a year.
Speaker 2: So that could be.
Speaker 1: Your holiday fund, that could be your home loan's fund.
Speaker 1: I don't think you should be telling people the same,
Speaker 1: especially those who live in Adelaide, because you're going to
Speaker 1: have some competition for your garage sales and flipping. I
Speaker 1: think that is some good advice because at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, a lot of people say, how do
Speaker 1: you find time to have this side hustle, But the
Speaker 1: real answer is, well, if you're wanting to do a
Speaker 1: side hustle. There's obviously some passion involved and some dissatisfaction
Speaker 1: with what you're doing at the moment. So if it
Speaker 1: is your passion project, you were going to want to
Speaker 1: spend time doing it. I think it takes a certain
Speaker 1: person to get excited about flipping things. So it's quite
Speaker 1: funny because I was going on and on and on about,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I made ten dollars from ten cents
Speaker 1: flipping a Cruella Deville Dalmatian plastic toy, and I was
Speaker 1: going on and on to my boyfriend Dale about it,
Speaker 1: and it actually motivated him to start his own little
Speaker 1: side hustle, which is him selling Wii games.
Speaker 2: And he he's got a.
Speaker 1: Great job and he loves his job, and I actually
Speaker 1: think he's getting more excited about hunting down the we
Speaker 1: stuff because we were getting so excited about making ten
Speaker 1: dollars when really we could make so much more doing
Speaker 1: our other jobs that we were just getting such joy
Speaker 1: out of it, as well as obviously flipping things online
Speaker 1: and searching on Marketplace. There are obviously a wide range
Speaker 1: of different side hustles you can have, and some people
Speaker 1: obviously start a side hustle with the hope of turning
Speaker 1: into their full time career. I think a side hustle
Speaker 1: is sometimes a really good way to start a full
Speaker 1: time business because one, you can see if you enjoy
Speaker 1: it too, you can see how well it is traveling.
Speaker 2: And three, sometimes.
Speaker 1: It gives you the potential to keep in your safety
Speaker 1: zone so you still have a regular income coming in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: And if you are interested in having a side hustle,
Speaker 1: I suppose you need to work out if there is
Speaker 1: any money required to back it. So, for example, if
Speaker 1: you're launching a T shirt business, you are going to
Speaker 1: need funds to be able to get the shirts made
Speaker 1: and printed and all of that kind of stuff. So
Speaker 1: maybe that's more of a high risk side hustle. So
Speaker 1: you might want to look at having a side hustle
Speaker 1: that involves potentially being a freelance writer, or you could
Speaker 1: be an uber driver on the side, or you could
Speaker 1: rent your room out for Airbnb if you wanted to
Speaker 1: make extra money. But you could do so many things.
Speaker 1: You could write an ebook and then use your time
Speaker 1: marketing it, so there's endless opportunities of things you could do.
Speaker 1: And how's this, Sofie, If you made just two hundred
Speaker 1: dollars a week extra on your side hustle. That's a
Speaker 1: saving of ten two hundred dollars you could be making
Speaker 1: a year moving back to running your own business or
Speaker 1: having a side hustle. One of the realities is that
Speaker 1: you are probably going to have a home office at
Speaker 1: some point, and when you first start, that can seem
Speaker 1: like the most exciting thing in the world because you
Speaker 1: don't have to go through peak hour traffic, you can
Speaker 1: work in your pajamas. You know, there's all these positives.
Speaker 1: But then at the same time, you've got to give
Speaker 1: yourself some discipline because even though you're working from home,
Speaker 1: that is your full time job right there.
Speaker 2: And the thing that I faced.
Speaker 1: Personally was this in built guilt about the fact that
Speaker 1: I was working from home. You get I think some
Speaker 1: people get jealous when you say that you work from home,
Speaker 1: but the reality is so different.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing.
Speaker 1: When you're working for someone else, you're on someone else's time,
Speaker 1: so you can chat to your friends at work it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. But if everything is depending on you, you're going
Speaker 1: to work fucking hard to make sure it's the success.
Speaker 1: And the thing that I found as well is if
Speaker 1: I'm putting my name to something, I want to do
Speaker 1: a really good job of it because that is representing you,
Speaker 1: especially if it's your business.
Speaker 2: So I think the.
Speaker 1: Best thing you can tell yourself is to just try
Speaker 1: and rid yourself of that guilty feeling. I mean, who
Speaker 1: cares if you're not driving through peak hour traffic. Perfect
Speaker 1: If you're feeling guilty about it, get up a bit
Speaker 1: earlier and use.
Speaker 2: That time to add to your business.
Speaker 1: But also you do have to think about all the
Speaker 1: time that you do waste at work, whether it's gossiping
Speaker 1: with your work friend, going and getting a coffee, having
Speaker 1: an extended lunch break, as you said, driving in peak
Speaker 1: hou or traffic. You think about it, and all that
Speaker 1: time that you could waste normally at your old job,
Speaker 1: you can make up so much time in your new job.
Speaker 1: I think you do also have to have some barriers
Speaker 1: up though, because it is a professional working environment. So
Speaker 1: you know, if you're living with a partner or a
Speaker 1: sister or whoever it may be, and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: why didn't you get a chance to do this whilst
Speaker 1: you're you were home all day? No, I'm sorry, you're
Speaker 1: at work all day. So you do have to have
Speaker 1: that lineup, and I think that's where it is important
Speaker 1: to build yourself some form of permanent work space, whether
Speaker 1: it's an office or a designated spot in the house
Speaker 1: to work from, because then you do feel like that
Speaker 1: is your time to be working. I mean, I hear
Speaker 1: some people work from their bed, and that just makes
Speaker 1: it feel sick. It's like when you're at UNI and
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, never do your assignment from your bed,
Speaker 1: because you have no distinction between sleeping and working.
Speaker 2: I remember when I was at UNI.
Speaker 1: I used to do my assignments on my bed and
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh, you mean working solidly for half
Speaker 1: an hour, you deserve to rest your eyes for a
Speaker 1: few minutes. And then I'd wake up and it would
Speaker 1: be like an hour and I would have been asleep
Speaker 1: for an hour, and I remember Mum would always be like,
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you for studying for so long,
Speaker 1: and I feel so bad. I used to be the worst.
Speaker 1: It was when Facebook was so popular, and I'd be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll do half an hour, I'll write a paragraph and
Speaker 1: then I'll go on Facebook. I do like your point
Speaker 1: of setting up a dedicated work space, because when you
Speaker 1: do start a business, you can find yourself working longer
Speaker 1: hours and if you're sitting on the couch, working from
Speaker 1: the couch, I've been guilty of that before. When you
Speaker 1: go to turn off your computer, you kind of feel
Speaker 1: that you've not left your workspace and you can feel
Speaker 1: all dizzy and gross. And I think it's also important
Speaker 1: to learn to switch off, because when you do run
Speaker 1: a business, you get so passionate about it and you
Speaker 1: can find yourself working longer and longer and then not
Speaker 1: having that time to switch off.
Speaker 2: I think it is also worthwhile.
Speaker 1: I mean this probably applies more to women than men's actually.
Speaker 2: Get ready in the morning.
Speaker 1: I think there's nothing grosser than sitting in like pajamas
Speaker 1: all day.
Speaker 2: That's what I used to do at Uti, and you
Speaker 2: just felt gross.
Speaker 1: It is amazing how much more motivated you are if
Speaker 1: you are in nicer clothes. That being said, I do
Speaker 1: think that you have to sometimes take on board the
Speaker 1: perks as well of having your own business. And I
Speaker 1: know the reason we wanted to have our own business
Speaker 1: was to also be happier people. So, as we said,
Speaker 1: we weren't really enjoying what we were doing, and we
Speaker 1: felt like having our own business. We could be our
Speaker 1: own bosses, set our own time, and also provide ourselves
Speaker 1: time to work on other side projects that we were
Speaker 1: really passionate about. And so obviously one of them has
Speaker 1: been this podcast, and another is another project that's kind
Speaker 1: of a secret project that we're working on. So I
Speaker 1: think you also need to take an account to your
Speaker 1: happiness if you're just working away and working away, and
Speaker 1: normally when you start a business it's just you or
Speaker 1: another person you can get in your own head. You
Speaker 1: need outside influence and so sometimes it will get stuff
Speaker 1: you're working in our home office. So so we need
Speaker 1: to do this a bit more. We need to go
Speaker 1: and have meetings with each other out at a nice
Speaker 1: spot down at the beach. On the other hand, people
Speaker 1: do also have to remember that you are probably going
Speaker 1: to work harder than you've ever worked. You shouldn't just
Speaker 1: start up a business in the hope that it'll be
Speaker 1: less work, less hours. You can call your own shots,
Speaker 1: because if you're working in a business where you have clients,
Speaker 1: instead of having one boss, you've probably got ten fifteen
Speaker 1: different bosses. Well, we hope that does give you some
Speaker 1: inspiration to potentially start your own passion project, and we
Speaker 1: hope it hasn't come across us lecturing you, but we
Speaker 1: thought some of you might be interested in some of
Speaker 1: the background on starting a new business or getting motivated.
Speaker 2: For a side hustle.
Speaker 1: Feel free to hit us up on our Outspoken Instagram
Speaker 1: DM if you do have any questions about starting a
Speaker 1: business or a side hustle, because we'd love to help
Speaker 1: you out in any way we can.
Speaker 2: Should we drop the new business name or keep no?
Speaker 1: So next week so if and I are going to
Speaker 1: be creating some content and some branding around our new
Speaker 1: business name, which we're so excited about. And if you
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