1 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome to another episode of Outspoken. You're joined 2 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: as usual by journalists Amy and Sophie Torber. Unfortunately Kate's 3 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: not here because she's doing work with the thirty sixers, 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: but Sophie and I decided we wanted to do a 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: business related podcast because Sophie and I run a public 6 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: relations firm called the pr Bible, which we're actually set. 7 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 2: To rename Almi soov. 8 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: Yes, we have been deciding on a name for the 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: past couple of weeks and we finally come up with 10 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: one that we're happy with and we will review it 11 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: at some point, but we've registered it, which is really exciting. 12 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: But we're already at the end of January. So we 13 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: wanted to share some motivational tips on how to get 14 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 1: your twenty twenty started doing something that you actually love. 15 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: And I think so many of us find ourselves in 16 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: careers that we might not be passionate about now. I 17 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,319 Speaker 1: think so many of us find ourselves in jobs that 18 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: we might suddenly lose a bit of passion for, and 19 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: so I think we were put in a really difficult 20 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: position in twenty sixteen where we still loved what we 21 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: were doing, but we were unable to do it. For 22 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: those who might not have heard our first episode of Outspoken, 23 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: we were reporters for Channel seven for a number of 24 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: years and it did come to a point where we 25 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: had to do, well, we're forced to move on. 26 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: And do something else. Let's just say so. 27 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: For me, I had to get a job immediately, so 28 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: I'd never really considered doing PR before. And I think 29 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: it's worth mentioning that there were issues surrounding why we 30 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: couldn't get another job in journalism. So maybe go back 31 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: and listen to episode one and that will get you 32 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: up to speed if you're really interested. But I suppose 33 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: we had to try and find something else we were 34 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: passionate about, or we had to look further to other 35 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: industries that our degree related to. Yeah, and we weren't 36 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: really in a position where we were that passionate about 37 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: PR or content creation to start our own business, because 38 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: we were very much in the mindset of journalism. So 39 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: I found a job at a local PR firm and 40 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: Amy got a job at Mix one or two point 41 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: three doing their content creation. But I think we can 42 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,239 Speaker 1: safely say they were jobs where we didn't really feel fulfilled. 43 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: We weren't happy. 44 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just remember having that Sunday night dread, and 45 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people listening may be able 46 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: to relate with that. It's just where you're like, no, 47 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: I can't go back, and every Friday you'd look forward to, 48 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: oh my god, it's going to be the weekend, and 49 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: the weekend would go so quickly and you'd be back 50 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 1: at doing something you hated. I used to get the 51 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: biggest dread on Sunday afternoons, and it's just that feeling 52 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: in the pit of your stomach, and that's when you 53 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: know you really aren't enjoying work and you're not somewhere 54 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 1: where you feel motivated. It was hard during those times 55 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: because I previously had a job which I loved, and 56 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: although there was sometimes a bit of dread, it was 57 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: more anxiety that came along with being a reporter because 58 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: you might not have known what you were doing. I 59 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: really did love the majority of people I worked with, 60 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: and you felt like you had a career there, and 61 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: then when that all ended, it was about re establishing 62 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: what we actually liked doing. So I think that those 63 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: jobs in a way were really good because it showed 64 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: us that we really didn't want to be doing that, 65 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: and we didn't want to be working for somebody else, 66 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: and you do really lost when you don't have that 67 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: inspiration anymore or that end goal. Like for us, our 68 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: goal was to become a reporter, and we got there, 69 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: and then obviously it was to better ourselves in that field. 70 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 2: And when you're in this new field. 71 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: Where you don't really know what your end goal is, 72 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: it can be quite depressing. Well, when I was working 73 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: at the radio station, that's where I decided that we 74 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: both needed to do something that we actually loved. And 75 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: I think although public relations wasn't necessarily our passion to 76 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: begin with, and that's not why we did a journalism degree, 77 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: it slowly became such a desirable career because one we 78 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: could run our own business, we could set our own targets, 79 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,839 Speaker 1: so the idea that we could actually have a say 80 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: how much we earn as well was also really desirable. 81 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: The thing I loved is we've worked for a number 82 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: of dickheads. Now I have to say that a number 83 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: of dickhead bosses, a few lovely ones as well, But 84 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: when you've worked for a dickhead, there's nothing more gratifying 85 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: than being your own boss and calling your own shots. Well, 86 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: when we decided we wanted to start our own business 87 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: and not work for dickheads. 88 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: As you're talking about. 89 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: It was really hard to work out whether we could 90 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: do it as a side hustle, and in your circumstance 91 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: you couldn't because you're already working for a PR firm. 92 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: But I think if people are listening and they're thinking 93 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: about starting something up, sometimes a side hustle is such 94 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: a good idea because it does take a lot of 95 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: hard work to launch a business, and there is a 96 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: lot of risk involved. And I think at the moment 97 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: it's become really a popular thing to be an entrepreneur 98 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: and to run your own business, but there are some 99 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: realities of running a full time business. We would love 100 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: to talk to you guys further about. One question I 101 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: get a lot from people is how did you break 102 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: the news to your boss that you were starting up 103 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: your own public relations firm? 104 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:07,679 Speaker 2: And that can be the case. 105 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: That could be the case for a lot of other people, 106 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: even if your side hustle is perhaps unrelated. 107 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 2: It is that moment where you've got. 108 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: To put your I mean, because it is kind of 109 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: a dream on the table, and you do feel silly 110 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: because you don't have it all worked out a lot 111 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: of the time, I mean, but it's supposed in your 112 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: instance it was quite awkward because your boss might have 113 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: seen our company. Sorry, your boss might have seen our 114 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: business as a threat to her business. So how did 115 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: you navigate all of that? And what would be your 116 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: advice for someone who is starting up a business that 117 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: might actually rival the one they're working at. My advice 118 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: would be that you've got to do what's best for 119 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: you at the end of the day. I had been 120 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: working at this public relations company for about a year, 121 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: and I wasn't motivated or being appreciated there, and I 122 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: didn't think that I owed it to my boss at 123 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: the time to explain that I was opening up and 124 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: other public relations firm. Now, there were a few bigger 125 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: elements to that, because I was running a huge campaign 126 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: at the time, and I was worried I wouldn't get 127 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: to finish that off for the client's sake. So you 128 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: were worried that her reaction to you saying, Hey, I'm 129 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: leaving to start this business. You thought she might react 130 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: by saying You've got to leave immediately and this business 131 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: would be left in the law reach. That's right at 132 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: the same time, we were set to do this as 133 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: a side hustle, so we thought we locked another work 134 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: to do, which didn't actually turn out, so our side 135 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: hustle turned into a full time muscle. Yeah, but my 136 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: advice would be you don't owe your ex boss the world. 137 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: What I ended up doing was saying to my boss 138 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: that I really wasn't passionate about what I was doing. 139 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: I wanted to explore other opportunities, and then before we 140 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: launched the business, I followed up with an email to 141 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: let the person know that we would be starting our business, 142 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: and that was not received well. I think that's a 143 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: really important point though, talking about other people's expectations of you, 144 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: and I think at the end of the day, you're 145 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: ultimate happiness is the most important thing to you. So 146 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: you shouldn't let the fear of, say telling your current 147 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: boss that you're going to start a business or a 148 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: side hustle. It shouldn't stop you from actually doing what 149 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: you love. And I think a lot of times people 150 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: will often be worried about maybe what their friends might 151 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: think of them or their family, And I know in 152 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: our situation it was quite funny because we of course 153 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: had told our mum and dad that we were thinking 154 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: of launching a business, but it was kind of in 155 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: the really early stages, and as we mentioned before, we 156 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: thought it was going to be a side hustle and 157 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: we had this other opportunity lined up and that would 158 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: be our main income source and that ended up falling through. 159 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: But thankfully for us, our mum and dad were in 160 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: Europe at the time, so it was kind of good 161 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: because we didn't have the stress of having to have 162 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: that conversation in person, even though we were what twenty 163 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,559 Speaker 1: eight or something. You do always think, oh, my gosh, 164 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: what are my parents going to think. I think there 165 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: is a lot of judgment as well well for people 166 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: who are older and have always worked in traditional roles. 167 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: For other people, I feel like younger people get it 168 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: a bit more because with this world of social media, 169 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: there's so many opportunities to work from home or work 170 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: from your own small office and to build an empire. 171 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: But I think for a lot of older people it's 172 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: not something that was done back in the day. That 173 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: is so true, and I feel like the Internet, as 174 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: you say, has made it more possible for us to 175 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: be able to have these kind of opportunities. And one 176 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: question that we get asked a lot is how do 177 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: you go and actually get new clients on board? So 178 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: it could be new clients. If you're a videographer and 179 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: you've got a company or sort of any business, it 180 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: really relates to how do you get those first clients 181 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: or customers. And I think that was our biggest struggle 182 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: because it's really hard to get people on board when 183 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: they've never heard of your company. 184 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 2: So one thing we did was we offered our. 185 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: Services for a really reduced price for one of our 186 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: new clients, and who was a netballer and she was 187 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: a and it was probably our smartest move because she 188 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: is well known, so she obviously told other people that 189 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: she enjoyed working with us, and then other people saw 190 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: us working with her, so it legitimized our business. We 191 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: also did free videography work because I was trained up 192 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: as a video journalist when I was at seven and 193 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: we thought, oh, well, lots of businesses need video. Well, 194 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 1: I think you've got to be really careful about doing 195 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: free work. I'm in two mindsets about it. I think 196 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: when you're starting off and if you don't have much 197 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: experience in the field that you're working in, it is 198 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: a good idea to do some form of free work, 199 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: but I think you can back it up by asking 200 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: about doing a collaboration. So, for example, just say your 201 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: side hustle is a florist and someone wants free flowers 202 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: for an event. If you say, okay, I'm happy to 203 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: write them for free. But then you say, but I 204 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: want to do a collaboration with you, whereby you promote 205 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: my business on your social media. I think that's a 206 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: healthy exchange. Also, I think if it's with a huge, 207 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 1: huge company, it's a really good idea to do it. 208 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: And at first you might be thinking, well, this business 209 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: obviously has a lot of money they could be paying me. 210 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: The thing is, if you've got no experience or your 211 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: business is new, aligning yourself with a big business is 212 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 1: one way to get other big clients on board. 213 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 2: So I would highly. 214 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: Recommend hitting up some big businesses and saying you're going 215 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: to do some work for free for them. Going back 216 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: to your question about how to get new clients on 217 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: board when you are a new business on new customers, 218 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: I think you've also got to fake it till you 219 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: make it. 220 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 221 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: I mean with us, we used a lot of our 222 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: previous experience in journalism to help us. But at the 223 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: same time, you've got to get your Instagram account running, 224 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: you've got to get your website up. You've got to 225 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: make your business appear that it's been doing it for 226 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: longer than it has. You don't have to point out 227 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: to people, oh, you're my first client. I think one 228 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: good tip for people who are starting a business to 229 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: make it look legit, as you're saying so, is to 230 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: ditch your email address that's at hotmail or at Gmail. 231 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: It is so cheap to actually just get a business 232 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: email address connected to your name, your business name. I mean, 233 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: that was one of the first things we did, because 234 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: if you're emailing someone from a Gmail account, you're instantly 235 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,119 Speaker 1: your emails instantly going to be deleted. 236 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 2: You also have to draw. 237 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: Upon any contacts that you have made in your professional. 238 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 2: Career as well. 239 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: There's always someone you could probably think of to reach 240 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: out for advice. It's all about being confident and making 241 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 1: those connections again or reconnecting with people. That's what we 242 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: did when we first started out business. Sometimes it is 243 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: just jumping on the phone or meeting face to face 244 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: because sometimes this email stuff just doesn't work. Also, I 245 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 1: think some people make the mistake of sending out emails 246 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: which are clearly copied and pasted. So I think it's 247 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: easy to get caught up in that and to think 248 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: you're being efficient by doing that. But sometimes it's so 249 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: good if you just spend an extra five minutes looking 250 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: into a potential client, you know, if they're a business, 251 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: looking what they do, what's past events they've done, and 252 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: then you can mention something personal in your emails that 253 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: actually looks like you've taken the time to know what 254 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: that business does. I think it's important too to make 255 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: sure that you have set up the business correctly. Now 256 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: you were very good at this stuff. Now could you 257 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: talk us through how you set up our business. The 258 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: thing is I knew nothing about setting up a business. 259 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: I was just a journalist. I didn't really know much 260 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: about business. I knew that eventually one day i'd like 261 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: to have one, but I never looked into it. And 262 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: that's where different government business sites help you, because they 263 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: do give you the steps to setting it up, but 264 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: some of their advice is so contradictory. They do have 265 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: a chat function which I found really useful, but I 266 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: think if you are looking to set up a business, 267 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: The first thing you need to do is to actually 268 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: register your business name, and there is a site where 269 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: you can check the availability of your business name, so 270 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: first try and find out. 271 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 2: I think that was really hard for us. 272 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: I mean, we actually hate our business name now and 273 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: as we said, we're changing it for those who might 274 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: be wondering, our business is the pr Bible, and along 275 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: our two year journey we have discovered that probably wasn't 276 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: a great name to come up with. We've been asked 277 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: on several occasions whether we're religious. We do so much 278 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: more videography work now, so we feel it doesn't really 279 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: reflect what we do. But at the same time, it 280 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: really helped with our SEO and for those wondering it 281 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: was because of places like the Bierley Bible or the 282 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: lad Bible. That's kind of the concept we were going with. Yeah, 283 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: but it's also easy. It's easy to sort of put 284 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: off your business because you can't think of a business name. 285 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: So I think sometimes it is just a good to 286 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: just go, okay, I can't think of it, like this 287 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: is the best I can come up with. At the time, 288 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: that was the best business name we could come up with, 289 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: and at the end of the day. There are so 290 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: many businesses out there with weird names that probably sounded 291 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: weird to begin with, but now because of branding, and 292 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: they've been around for ages. You I mean Google. If 293 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: you told me that you wanted to call our business 294 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: Google Sophie, I'd be like what. And we have to 295 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: We have been doing a lot of research about the 296 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: sort of names for business because we are rebranding. 297 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 2: As we mentioned. 298 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: If someone is at home listening to this thinking of 299 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: coming up with how to come up with the name, 300 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: one of the biggest tips is to use a two 301 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: syllable word, not a three hint that might even give 302 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: people a hint of what our name is going to be. 303 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: The other important thing when setting up your business is 304 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: obviously registering an ABN and a tax file number and 305 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: working out if you want to be a sole trader, 306 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: a partnership or a company. So SOF and I are 307 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: a family partnership, and that's really great for us because 308 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: it means that at the end of the financial year, 309 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: we're purely taxed on whatever we have each earned, so 310 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: rather than if you're a company, you also get taxed 311 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: on your earning. So it's really important to look into 312 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: that I think one thing that one thing we've learned 313 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: as well is it is so important to get contracts shortage. Yeah, 314 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: sometimes it's hard because, especially in a job like public 315 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: relations where your relationship with the client is everything, sometimes 316 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: you can get in a situation where you feel it's awkward, Yeah, 317 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: to make them sign the papers. At the end of 318 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: the day, you look like a good business owner if 319 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: you're being professional and dealing with things in a professional manner. Well, 320 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: ultimately it makes it less awkward if they don't pay, 321 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: doesn't it. One huge tip as well is you do 322 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: really have to manage the back end of your business 323 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: because you can feel like you were getting all this 324 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: work done, you're absolutely killing it, and then you can 325 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: look at your bank account and you've got no money 326 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: in there. Because you've also got to remember the a 327 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: lot of different businesses that you may be working with, 328 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: they all run on their own rostering slash finance system, 329 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: so you've really got to get on top of making 330 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: sure your invoices are in at a particular time and 331 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: sending reminders. If they're late, just follow it up. Also, 332 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: another one is to set up if you don't have 333 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: an account's team, which we didn't have initially is to 334 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: set up an email that looks as if you do, 335 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: because if you're dealing with someone face to face, it 336 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: can be so awkward having to ask for money. So 337 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: set up and accounts at whatever your business is, and 338 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: you can send emails from their obviously your invoices and 339 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. And I think another important thing 340 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: to remember is when you start a business and it's 341 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: your full time business, you are not going to earn 342 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: very much in your first year. So if you were 343 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: wanting to take that risk and invest your time and 344 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: money into a business, you probably should have a safe 345 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: amount of savings that you can potentially live off if 346 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: the business doesn't take off. In our first year, we 347 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: earned a modest amount that we could live off, but 348 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: we had to rely on some of our savings. And 349 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: so what you'll find from year to year is you 350 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: easily double your earnings from the first year the second year. 351 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: Once you're established, it just becomes easier and easier, but 352 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: it will take time. I think the best piece of 353 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: advice is to also make an appointment to sit and 354 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: speak to your accountant, because they are just a wealth 355 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: of information, and our accountant in particular he sat down 356 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: with us and made us aware that businesses don't earn 357 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: that much in the first year, and I felt like 358 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: that was kind of good to hear, because sometimes after 359 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: the first year you can feel like a failure because 360 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: perhaps you weren't earning what you were before. But owning 361 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: a business is a process, and that's the most exciting 362 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: thing about it is you have control over how much 363 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: money you can potentially earn. And for those of you 364 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: who might be listening that maybe aren't in the position 365 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 1: to throw themselves into the deep end and launch a 366 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 1: full time business, I think side hustles are really important 367 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: for us to delve into a little bit. As we said, 368 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: we thought the pr Bible was going to be our 369 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: side hustle, but it didn't turn out that way. At 370 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: the moment, this podcast is Sophie and My side hustle 371 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: and also Kates. It's something we love doing and one 372 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: day we hope it will grow bigger and bigger. I 373 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: think what's amazing is how lucky we are to be 374 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: living in twenty twenty when we have the Internet and 375 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: the ability to be able to run a side business successfully. 376 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: If you think back to when your parents were your 377 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: age they didn't have the Internet. It wasn't that easy 378 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: just to start up an Instagram business or sell stuff 379 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 1: on eBay. So if I were talking about a little bit, 380 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: because for those who listen to the podcast, they'll know 381 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: that I've been a big fan of Facebook Marketplace recently, 382 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,479 Speaker 1: and I suppose that is the most simple side hustle 383 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: one could have if you're looking to earn a little 384 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: bit of extra money. So I did some quick sums 385 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: and I worked out if you were to make one 386 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: hundred dollars a week just by selling the old crap 387 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 1: you had around the house or going to a garage 388 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: sale and flipping something, you would make an extra five thousand, 389 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: two hundred dollars a year. 390 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 2: So that could be. 391 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: Your holiday fund, that could be your home loan's fund. 392 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: I don't think you should be telling people the same, 393 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: especially those who live in Adelaide, because you're going to 394 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: have some competition for your garage sales and flipping. I 395 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: think that is some good advice because at the end 396 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: of the day, a lot of people say, how do 397 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 1: you find time to have this side hustle, But the 398 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: real answer is, well, if you're wanting to do a 399 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: side hustle. There's obviously some passion involved and some dissatisfaction 400 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: with what you're doing at the moment. So if it 401 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: is your passion project, you were going to want to 402 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 1: spend time doing it. I think it takes a certain 403 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: person to get excited about flipping things. So it's quite 404 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: funny because I was going on and on and on about, 405 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: oh my god, I made ten dollars from ten cents 406 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: flipping a Cruella Deville Dalmatian plastic toy, and I was 407 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: going on and on to my boyfriend Dale about it, 408 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: and it actually motivated him to start his own little 409 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: side hustle, which is him selling Wii games. 410 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 2: And he he's got a. 411 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: Great job and he loves his job, and I actually 412 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: think he's getting more excited about hunting down the we 413 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: stuff because we were getting so excited about making ten 414 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: dollars when really we could make so much more doing 415 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: our other jobs that we were just getting such joy 416 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: out of it, as well as obviously flipping things online 417 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: and searching on Marketplace. There are obviously a wide range 418 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 1: of different side hustles you can have, and some people 419 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: obviously start a side hustle with the hope of turning 420 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: into their full time career. I think a side hustle 421 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: is sometimes a really good way to start a full 422 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: time business because one, you can see if you enjoy 423 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: it too, you can see how well it is traveling. 424 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 2: And three, sometimes. 425 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: It gives you the potential to keep in your safety 426 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: zone so you still have a regular income coming in. 427 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. 428 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: And if you are interested in having a side hustle, 429 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: I suppose you need to work out if there is 430 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: any money required to back it. So, for example, if 431 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: you're launching a T shirt business, you are going to 432 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: need funds to be able to get the shirts made 433 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: and printed and all of that kind of stuff. So 434 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: maybe that's more of a high risk side hustle. So 435 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: you might want to look at having a side hustle 436 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: that involves potentially being a freelance writer, or you could 437 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: be an uber driver on the side, or you could 438 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: rent your room out for Airbnb if you wanted to 439 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: make extra money. But you could do so many things. 440 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: You could write an ebook and then use your time 441 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: marketing it, so there's endless opportunities of things you could do. 442 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: And how's this, Sofie, If you made just two hundred 443 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: dollars a week extra on your side hustle. That's a 444 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: saving of ten two hundred dollars you could be making 445 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: a year moving back to running your own business or 446 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,719 Speaker 1: having a side hustle. One of the realities is that 447 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: you are probably going to have a home office at 448 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: some point, and when you first start, that can seem 449 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: like the most exciting thing in the world because you 450 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: don't have to go through peak hour traffic, you can 451 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: work in your pajamas. You know, there's all these positives. 452 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: But then at the same time, you've got to give 453 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 1: yourself some discipline because even though you're working from home, 454 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: that is your full time job right there. 455 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 2: And the thing that I faced. 456 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: Personally was this in built guilt about the fact that 457 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: I was working from home. You get I think some 458 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 1: people get jealous when you say that you work from home, 459 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: but the reality is so different. 460 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 2: And that's the thing. 461 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: When you're working for someone else, you're on someone else's time, 462 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: so you can chat to your friends at work it 463 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. But if everything is depending on you, you're going 464 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: to work fucking hard to make sure it's the success. 465 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: And the thing that I found as well is if 466 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: I'm putting my name to something, I want to do 467 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 1: a really good job of it because that is representing you, 468 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: especially if it's your business. 469 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 2: So I think the. 470 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: Best thing you can tell yourself is to just try 471 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: and rid yourself of that guilty feeling. I mean, who 472 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: cares if you're not driving through peak hour traffic. Perfect 473 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,239 Speaker 1: If you're feeling guilty about it, get up a bit 474 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: earlier and use. 475 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 2: That time to add to your business. 476 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 1: But also you do have to think about all the 477 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: time that you do waste at work, whether it's gossiping 478 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: with your work friend, going and getting a coffee, having 479 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: an extended lunch break, as you said, driving in peak 480 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: hou or traffic. You think about it, and all that 481 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: time that you could waste normally at your old job, 482 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: you can make up so much time in your new job. 483 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: I think you do also have to have some barriers 484 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: up though, because it is a professional working environment. So 485 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,959 Speaker 1: you know, if you're living with a partner or a 486 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,479 Speaker 1: sister or whoever it may be, and they're like, oh, 487 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: why didn't you get a chance to do this whilst 488 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: you're you were home all day? No, I'm sorry, you're 489 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: at work all day. So you do have to have 490 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: that lineup, and I think that's where it is important 491 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: to build yourself some form of permanent work space, whether 492 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: it's an office or a designated spot in the house 493 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: to work from, because then you do feel like that 494 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 1: is your time to be working. I mean, I hear 495 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 1: some people work from their bed, and that just makes 496 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: it feel sick. It's like when you're at UNI and 497 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, never do your assignment from your bed, 498 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: because you have no distinction between sleeping and working. 499 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 2: I remember when I was at UNI. 500 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: I used to do my assignments on my bed and 501 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh, you mean working solidly for half 502 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 1: an hour, you deserve to rest your eyes for a 503 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: few minutes. And then I'd wake up and it would 504 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,479 Speaker 1: be like an hour and I would have been asleep 505 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,239 Speaker 1: for an hour, and I remember Mum would always be like, 506 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you for studying for so long, 507 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 1: and I feel so bad. I used to be the worst. 508 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: It was when Facebook was so popular, and I'd be like, Okay, 509 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: I'll do half an hour, I'll write a paragraph and 510 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: then I'll go on Facebook. I do like your point 511 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: of setting up a dedicated work space, because when you 512 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 1: do start a business, you can find yourself working longer 513 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: hours and if you're sitting on the couch, working from 514 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 1: the couch, I've been guilty of that before. When you 515 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 1: go to turn off your computer, you kind of feel 516 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: that you've not left your workspace and you can feel 517 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: all dizzy and gross. And I think it's also important 518 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: to learn to switch off, because when you do run 519 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: a business, you get so passionate about it and you 520 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: can find yourself working longer and longer and then not 521 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: having that time to switch off. 522 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 2: I think it is also worthwhile. 523 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: I mean this probably applies more to women than men's actually. 524 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 2: Get ready in the morning. 525 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: I think there's nothing grosser than sitting in like pajamas 526 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: all day. 527 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 2: That's what I used to do at Uti, and you 528 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 2: just felt gross. 529 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: It is amazing how much more motivated you are if 530 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: you are in nicer clothes. That being said, I do 531 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,719 Speaker 1: think that you have to sometimes take on board the 532 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: perks as well of having your own business. And I 533 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: know the reason we wanted to have our own business 534 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: was to also be happier people. So, as we said, 535 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: we weren't really enjoying what we were doing, and we 536 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,959 Speaker 1: felt like having our own business. We could be our 537 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: own bosses, set our own time, and also provide ourselves 538 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 1: time to work on other side projects that we were 539 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: really passionate about. And so obviously one of them has 540 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: been this podcast, and another is another project that's kind 541 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: of a secret project that we're working on. So I 542 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 1: think you also need to take an account to your 543 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: happiness if you're just working away and working away, and 544 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: normally when you start a business it's just you or 545 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: another person you can get in your own head. You 546 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: need outside influence and so sometimes it will get stuff 547 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,360 Speaker 1: you're working in our home office. So so we need 548 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,360 Speaker 1: to do this a bit more. We need to go 549 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: and have meetings with each other out at a nice 550 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 1: spot down at the beach. On the other hand, people 551 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: do also have to remember that you are probably going 552 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: to work harder than you've ever worked. You shouldn't just 553 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: start up a business in the hope that it'll be 554 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 1: less work, less hours. You can call your own shots, 555 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: because if you're working in a business where you have clients, 556 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: instead of having one boss, you've probably got ten fifteen 557 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: different bosses. Well, we hope that does give you some 558 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 1: inspiration to potentially start your own passion project, and we 559 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: hope it hasn't come across us lecturing you, but we 560 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: thought some of you might be interested in some of 561 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,719 Speaker 1: the background on starting a new business or getting motivated. 562 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 2: For a side hustle. 563 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: Feel free to hit us up on our Outspoken Instagram 564 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 1: DM if you do have any questions about starting a 565 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 1: business or a side hustle, because we'd love to help 566 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: you out in any way we can. 567 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 2: Should we drop the new business name or keep no? 568 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: So next week so if and I are going to 569 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: be creating some content and some branding around our new 570 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: business name, which we're so excited about. 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