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Speaker 1: Robin Lambley.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Robin.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 2: Robin.

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Speaker 1: What is the process this week for you as an independent?

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Speaker 3: I was just thinking that as you mentioned what Bill said,

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Speaker 3: same as I already been given a warning. I've already

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Speaker 3: Minister Nicole Manison. But what did you.

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Speaker 1: Ask, Robin, What was it that he thought you were

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Speaker 3: Well, the fact is, Katie, that they haven't implemented all

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Speaker 3: of the one hundred and thirty five recommendations of the

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Speaker 3: two weeks for me, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Joel Robin, I've never known you to go easy on

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Speaker 3: Why would I. What it's all about, budget estimates is

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Speaker 3: But look, this is this is our time, that the

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Speaker 1: Well, and the fact of the matter is there are

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Speaker 1: What is going to be a focus for you over

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Speaker 1: Now Robin it is always and we spoke to Bill

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Speaker 2: How much that's cost.

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Speaker 3: But by their silence and their dodging and weaving, it

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Speaker 2: Now, Robin, you did say go hard or go home?

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Speaker 3: Oh God, big question, Katie. I don't think I really

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Speaker 1: Well, and Robin, the thing is territorians deserve to know

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Speaker 2: So I reckon will for little.

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Speaker 2: Robin, what are your concerns.

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Speaker 3: I was scathing and very critical of the whole process,

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Speaker 2: And Robin, what will happen now with that?

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Speaker 1: Is there going to be sort of you know, as

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Speaker 3: It's about empowering Aboriginal people. But the way this government

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Speaker 3: It really I just remain a thorn in their side.

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Speaker 3: But I see that as an important role.

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Speaker 2: I think it is too.

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Speaker 3: Katie is just providing that other perspective of what the

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Speaker 3: this way. The Northern Territory government has really dismantled what

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Speaker 3: should be a really effective means of scrutinizing government. But

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Speaker 3: you can't have government scrutinizing government.

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Speaker 2: No, we know. That's exactly right. Yeah, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: And look, I think it's incredibly important as well that

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Speaker 1: you know, people might not like everything that you've got

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Speaker 1: to say, Robin, but at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: I just want to ask you very quickly.

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Speaker 1: There's also some well the NTA News again report that

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Speaker 1: this band Drink of registered figures show that grog sales

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Speaker 1: in Alice have rebounded just two months after those tough

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Speaker 1: new takeaway alcohol sales restrictions were introduced in January. So,

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Speaker 1: according to the paper, despite the takeaway sales regime that

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Speaker 1: include one sale per day per person and the alcohol

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Speaker 1: free days that you know all too well in Central Australia,

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Speaker 1: the grog sale numbers in the town have begun to

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Speaker 1: edge up, Robin.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's like, this is a tough situation.

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Speaker 1: I know that you've in the past said that those

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Speaker 1: restrictions do need to be extended.

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Speaker 2: Do you still feel that that's the case.

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Speaker 3: I do, because it just gives two days of relative peace, Katie.

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Speaker 3: But you know, it was really great to see that

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Speaker 3: it's evidence based journalism reporting. But I have heard anecdotally

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Speaker 3: they're selling more grog than ever. So that's the that's

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Speaker 3: the flip side of it. Alcoholics will always access grog.

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Speaker 3: These things are just plugging up a leaky bugget bucket,

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Speaker 3: which is the analogy I've always used with alcohol strategies.

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Speaker 3: As soon as you put one strategy in place, you

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Speaker 3: almost have to preempt where the water is going to

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Speaker 3: government has to do more. You can never ever think

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Speaker 3: comes to alcohol strategies. It's ongoing, it is forever, and

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Speaker 3: a place like Alice Springs we can attest to that

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Speaker 3: these restrictions is extreme restrictions have come and gone and

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Speaker 3: almost twenty years some of them so including bottle shops

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Speaker 3: no stranger to extreme alcohol restrictions. But we also know

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Speaker 3: that there's no end to it. Yeah, just forever.

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Speaker 1: Well, Robin Lamley, I always appreciate your time. I've no

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Speaker 1: doubt that it's going to be an interesting couple of weeks,

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Speaker 1: so please keep in contact, let us know what happens.

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Speaker 1: I'll try my best to be to be watching estimates

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Speaker 1: when I'm not on air, although I'll still try and

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Speaker 1: keep an eye on it during the ad breaks, but

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Speaker 1: if there's anything interesting that happens, let me know.

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Speaker 3: I'll let you know for sure.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, Thanks Robin, appreciate your time.