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Speaker 1: Well. On Friday we spoke about that spike in crime

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Speaker 1: properties damage this week from my understanding, most of which

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Speaker 2: Which were businesses.

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Speaker 1: Now the acting Deputy Commissioner, Michael White has said that

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Speaker 1: But there is no doubt that the crime is having

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Speaker 1: joining me on the show is the Member for Catherine,

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Speaker 1: Joe Hersey, Hi, Joe, good.

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Speaker 3: Night and Katie and good morning listeners now Joe.

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Speaker 1: Fifteen businesses on Thursday night Friday morning last week?

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Speaker 2: Were they more over the weekend?

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Speaker 3: There was more over the weekend and we saw the

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Speaker 3: other night. She's now at her son's place, she will

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Speaker 3: this is it's not go to the shops, Katie. It's

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Speaker 3: not safe to be clearly guarding in your own house.

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Speaker 3: It's safe to drive home. My daughter had rocks thrown

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Speaker 3: night a weekend. There were fans and cards having rocks

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Speaker 2: It's totally unacceptable.

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Speaker 1: And Joe, to hear that more has happened this week

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Speaker 2: What are locals telling you right now?

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Speaker 3: Well, locals me and I was in Davors to the weekends,

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Speaker 3: And you know, I heard Carrie again last night from

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Speaker 3: this is what we're dealing with here. Businesses that have

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Speaker 3: These are the backbone of our community, and we have a.

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Speaker 1: Joe, we just seemed to be having some issues with

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Speaker 1: She's just cutting out a little bit there, so we

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Speaker 2: But look, if you haven't actually seen that.

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Speaker 1: Video that she's put together, Joe Hersey, it's pretty heartbreaking

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Speaker 2: And the member for Catherine.

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Speaker 1: Moved to tears overnight on a report on nine News Darwin.

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Speaker 1: I'm clearly very upset about the situation and what is

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Speaker 1: And the worry here is she says that there's not

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Speaker 2: Can you hear me?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can hear you. Just so the listeners know,

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Speaker 3: I'm actually out at seven Emys station today looking into

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Speaker 1: Why is it not being used out there, Joe? Why

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Speaker 3: Well, my understanding is that there was a senior officer

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Speaker 3: My understanding is no, there's not. Katie and the police

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Speaker 1: I think it's a really good question. Look, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: So the concern always is, and this is something that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's correct, Katie. And when I went to even

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Speaker 1: The thing that struck me as well in the letter

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Speaker 1: Can you just tell me with those sceniors that were

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Speaker 1: I don't know whether you've heard anything about that at

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Speaker 3: No, I haven't, Katie, And you know, I really feel

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Speaker 2: It really is.

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Speaker 1: Look, we'll try and follow it up, but if you

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Speaker 1: can you please ask Joe And I don't know about this,

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Speaker 3: Okay, it wasn't a photo of me with the kids.

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Speaker 3: I took the photo down. It was recommended that I did.

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Speaker 2: About that pot of jo I didn't see us.

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Speaker 3: I was of three children that I spoke to that

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Speaker 2: Stop bloody hell.

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Speaker 3: You know, I mean edw. Yeah, it's unacceptable.

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Speaker 2: I mean, in retrospect, do you regret posting the photo?

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Speaker 3: They night at Catherine Outback Experience. Yes, from five point thirty.

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Speaker 3: I think it is, and there will be a celebration

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Speaker 1: Just a very quick one, Joe, I know you're going

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Speaker 2: Wasn't there?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely Catherine Club, Best Draft Beer, Catherine Hotel, best retail outlet,

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Speaker 3: everything that happens there, we are still a positive, good,

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Speaker 3: your time and thank you