Speaker 1: Welcome to you Ain't Seen Nothing Yet?
Speaker 2: The movie podcast, where our ch out to a movie
Speaker 2: lover about a classic or beloved movie they haven't quite
Speaker 2: got around to watching until now. And today's guest comedian
Speaker 2: writer filmmaker Wine Bluff Damien Callman.
Speaker 3: All Blow. I want to stay here with you, gay
Speaker 3: little jobble?
Speaker 4: Why hate snake shock whil.
Speaker 1: It couldn't be happening right yourself?
Speaker 2: You don't see nothing, I mean Kaalenon and I started
Speaker 2: comedy around the same time. In fact, he may have
Speaker 2: had it like a six month head start on me,
Speaker 2: and we kind of bonded pretty quickly.
Speaker 1: I gravitated towards Damien.
Speaker 2: We've played a lot of the same rooms together and
Speaker 2: he was instantly likable. We actually went to the same school,
Speaker 2: Pro College in Bundura in Melbourne, and we just had
Speaker 2: a very similar sensibility. Damien was on the early seasons
Speaker 2: of Before the Game. We worked together on comedy series
Speaker 2: Skit House, and there's always been a joy to see
Speaker 2: Damien work up close. I said it last week when
Speaker 2: I was revealing this week's guest that if Paul Kelly
Speaker 2: did comedy, that would be like Damien Kalmon Dami Count
Speaker 2: basically is the Paul Kelly of comedy. Like he loves
Speaker 2: Australian history. A lot of his shows are kind of
Speaker 2: about Australian history. He's got a fascination history with wartime
Speaker 2: and it's reflected in the shows and his comedy and
Speaker 2: the things he puts out into the world. He did
Speaker 2: a wonderful movie called The Merger, which he wrote and
Speaker 2: it is genuinely a beautiful film that has played around
Speaker 2: the world. And if you haven't seen The Merger, it's
Speaker 2: a hidden gem and I wish it wasn't as hidden,
Speaker 2: but those who have found it become really passionate fans
Speaker 2: of it and advocates for it.
Speaker 1: So check out The Merger.
Speaker 2: Damien is also cheering around at the moment in a
Speaker 2: new show called Double Feature, maybe playing regional Victoria, New
Speaker 2: South Wales. More dates to come. He's got a book
Speaker 2: out called Weird School. In fact, he's put together a
Speaker 2: Book Week comedy gala at the Comedy Republic on the
Speaker 2: final Saturday of Bookweek and there is heaps of special guests.
Speaker 1: I can't make it. I was going to appear.
Speaker 2: I can't now, but I'm going to work out a
Speaker 2: way that I can somehow be involved, hopefully, But there
Speaker 2: is a massive special guest that I'll let Damien maybe
Speaker 2: reveal later in this episode.
Speaker 1: If you love books, if your kids love books, then
Speaker 1: they're invited.
Speaker 2: Take the kids along and there'll be some massive names
Speaker 2: in the world of kids publishing, in fact, maybe the
Speaker 2: biggest name, and we'll be there making an appearance. Damien
Speaker 2: also does the wine Blast by great mate Paul Colegia.
Speaker 1: We've been doing that for years.
Speaker 2: Damien is a great storyteller, is great company, always great
Speaker 2: for a laugh, and I'm bloody stoked to be hanging
Speaker 2: with him today.
Speaker 4: Kay. My name is Damian Kwenon. My three favorite films
Speaker 4: are down by law.
Speaker 5: Excuse me, excuse me, excuse me?
Speaker 1: Not enough for room to.
Speaker 4: Swing a cat, eh news front, Well, I don't know
Speaker 4: a lot of things die.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm you around here.
Speaker 5: Would you call it a moral?
Speaker 4: Primitive? True?
Speaker 6: Too true?
Speaker 4: And the Princess Brian.
Speaker 6: My name is Hugo Montoya.
Speaker 1: You killed my father prepared to die.
Speaker 4: Up until about three pm yesterday, I had never seen
Speaker 4: the film Pulp Fiction.
Speaker 7: You.
Speaker 1: I love you, honey, Bunny.
Speaker 2: Everybody we call us the Robbery Any dear old fucking
Speaker 2: frection move, Hannah, execute every mother fucking last.
Speaker 4: One of you.
Speaker 2: Yes, what the two Los Angeles based hitman, a over
Speaker 2: the hill boxer, amub boss, a mob boss's failed actress wife,
Speaker 2: and a mysterious briefcase have in common?
Speaker 1: Of course, you know the answer, because you know.
Speaker 2: This episode features the Quentin Tarantina nineteen ninety four classic
Speaker 2: pulp fiction, a true.
Speaker 1: Game changer, a move that took nonlinear to a new level.
Speaker 2: It gave us John Travolda again, a violent masterpiece with
Speaker 2: a string of brilliant set pieces intervene with piercingly funny
Speaker 2: dialogue involving McDonald's in Paris and foot massages. Pulp Fiction
Speaker 2: may not even be Tarantino's best, almost accomplished film, but
Speaker 2: it's the one with his greatest legacy. Damien Kellenman, have
Speaker 2: you given another man's wife a foot massage?
Speaker 1: Be honest? Please?
Speaker 4: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: There's some thinking on there.
Speaker 4: I did. Yeah, I was trying to think about it
Speaker 4: during the film because they are like almost there's almost
Speaker 4: no woman in the world who doesn't like a foot massage. Look,
Speaker 4: I probably have, but I wouldn't. It wouldn't be unbidden
Speaker 4: would have been like that was an extremely strenuous fourteen
Speaker 4: kilobate a bushwalk. Damien, you ap to be the only
Speaker 4: available messe on.
Speaker 1: Hand weave at a crack. We've worked in officers before.
Speaker 2: I don't believe I recall you being the creepy massage guy.
Speaker 4: No, No, absolutely not not the just you know, just
Speaker 4: slipping in behind, just giving the shoulders a bit, you know,
Speaker 4: it look to be tense.
Speaker 2: No, No, I think those guys have been removed from
Speaker 2: officers cross the country now, across the world now.
Speaker 4: But that was except for the ones who are owned
Speaker 4: the big office. There's still there's still a few of
Speaker 4: those around.
Speaker 1: But I'm sure, Yeah, but that was a real thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the guy who would, yeah, just go up behind
Speaker 2: the ladies sitting at her desk doing her work and
Speaker 2: begin a message.
Speaker 4: I must I must admit I'm happily married. But one
Speaker 4: of the deficiencies that's been pointed out to me is
Speaker 4: my inability to message. Not that I don't give it
Speaker 4: a go. She just she's just like not, but my
Speaker 4: foot massage is she actually tolerates others, Like if my
Speaker 4: shoulders a bit tight after about three seconds, you'd just
Speaker 4: like to shake her shells. All right, I'm better off
Speaker 4: with out like you're giving feet massages, she reckons. I'm
Speaker 4: not too bad.
Speaker 2: Not a bad way to be that, you know, not
Speaker 2: that you don't want to nail your massage too much.
Speaker 2: You're there for an hour exactly. Yeah, that's time consuming.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's true. I bet you want to get good
Speaker 4: enough that. Yeah, you know it's not embarrassment, Yeah, not
Speaker 4: so good that. Yeah, you'd been subscripted on a regular basis.
Speaker 1: We might come back to find it.
Speaker 2: You can't pay for that ship. By the way, there
Speaker 2: are plenty of plenty of places around, all kinds of
Speaker 2: levels and all kind of levels. Damian kellenon Whole Fiction.
Speaker 2: This has almost been you know, the white whale of
Speaker 2: this podcast. People have asked us to do more Tarantino.
Speaker 2: We have done one, which was one of his more
Speaker 2: recent releases, in fact, his most recent release at the
Speaker 2: time of recording, which is Once Upon Time in Hollywood
Speaker 2: with Phil Lloyd. He hadn't seen that, but we we've
Speaker 2: been very keen to explore. You know, I would say
Speaker 2: peak Tarantino. That might be unfair because I think some
Speaker 2: of his you know, later films are just as good,
Speaker 2: if not better. But a reservoir dogs or a pulp
Speaker 2: fiction has been requested by many of our listeners. Hard
Speaker 2: to find somebody who either hasn't seen it or will admit.
Speaker 1: To not seeing it. Brave man, you put up your hand.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 4: I'm happy to have put up my hands.
Speaker 2: And why yeah, because I mean you're a filmmaker, you
Speaker 2: love film. This must have been one that you know,
Speaker 2: there must have been a reason.
Speaker 4: Well, there's a couple of things to address there. Yes,
Speaker 4: I am a filmmaker, but one of those filmmakers that
Speaker 4: there's a lot of embarrassing films that I haven't seen.
Speaker 4: In fact, I remember my film The Merger was taken
Speaker 4: over to tour Dublin and Ireland and Scotland for the
Speaker 4: Dublin Glasgow Film Festivals, and then we did an embassy
Speaker 4: tour through Europe and I remember finding myself in It's
Speaker 4: a place good Yugos Levenka Cinematecha in Belgrade, organized by
Speaker 4: the Autraian Embassy. There were embassy members of like virtually
Speaker 4: every country in Europe in this It's one of the
Speaker 4: biggest repositories to film in the world. It's got the
Speaker 4: greatest collection of art house films in the world, and
Speaker 4: I understanding that you just can't. I haven't seen any
Speaker 4: of the rocky films. Well, if they start asking me
Speaker 4: questions and there's a reverence to filmmakers over there like
Speaker 4: nothing else, particularly an Eastern Europe. Like once, say someone
Speaker 4: introduced me and it was the ambassador for Albabia and
Speaker 4: any kind of I just gotto and they said, damians
Speaker 4: the filmmaker. They also need to start bowing and groveling.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 4: It was absolutely spectacularly awkward.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: So I have that in the back of my head
Speaker 4: all the time. But the Tarantino, I.
Speaker 2: Would have said, Tarantino probably does make us feel I mean,
Speaker 2: that is a very specific experience you had that most
Speaker 2: people don't have to.
Speaker 4: Don't ask me about Tarantino. I'll talk about Albert I'll
Speaker 4: talk about Albanian foreign pology. I'm across that.
Speaker 2: But Tarantino, because he is such a film geek, does
Speaker 2: rub it in our faces a bit, like the fact
Speaker 2: that he knows possibly the more about Australian film than
Speaker 2: we do. Yeah, it is kind of its kind of
Speaker 2: a little bit embarrassing, you know. So I don't think
Speaker 2: we can hold ourselves the Tarantino standards. He's another one
Speaker 2: who has that kind of encychopedic knowledge of world cinema.
Speaker 1: But this is what these podcast is here because people would.
Speaker 2: Say to me, yeah, you're you're you know, you're a
Speaker 2: movie You're a cinephile, and I love movies, but there's
Speaker 2: there's so many gaps in my in my demography as
Speaker 2: far as being a viewer.
Speaker 4: But Tarantino, Yeah, well look my avoidance and it was
Speaker 4: an avoidance for a while. Of Tarantino was a bit
Speaker 4: more specific, and it came down to I've I've always
Speaker 4: had a dislike for Gratuitor's filence, both in life but
Speaker 4: in film, and because that was you know, well I
Speaker 4: hadn't seen pop fiction or reservoir dogs. There was this
Speaker 4: kind of celebration of the stylistic way that he portrayed
Speaker 4: violence that kind of I just didn't I just didn't
Speaker 4: want to see. And a lot of that came from
Speaker 4: and it wasn't just Tarantino. I witnessed when I was
Speaker 4: nine years old at double murder suicide at the Greensborough
Speaker 4: shopping Center, right, which is a true story. And so
Speaker 4: through my kind of twenties and early thirties. I had
Speaker 4: a real reluctance to see violent films because I'd seen
Speaker 4: it in real life, and then because the Tarantino thing
Speaker 4: became a bit trendy to say it, I think I
Speaker 4: also developed a bit of no, I'm just not going
Speaker 4: to see it. I don't want to see that sort
Speaker 4: of stuff. And it wasn't until I Killed Bill was
Speaker 4: the first Tarantino film.
Speaker 1: I saw that you changed the most violent.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it also I didn't find it affecting at
Speaker 4: all because it was so cartoonish. So yeah, and that
Speaker 4: kind of went on, Maybe I should go back through
Speaker 4: the back catalog, and I didn't. I think I saw
Speaker 4: Kill Bill too. I tried to watch in Glorious Bastards, Yeah,
Speaker 4: and I got to the baseball bat scene and I went.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah and stopped.
Speaker 4: So interestingly, quite like war films always have. And there's
Speaker 4: something about the separation of was by the intention of violence,
Speaker 4: you know. And I'm probably more a history not than
Speaker 4: a film not. And I quite like exploring the history
Speaker 4: of human kind, and particularly the twentieth century, so dense
Speaker 4: with conflict, but also the worst of the human condition.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm kind of drawn to war films. I
Speaker 4: saw an incredible war film last night, Sizu. It's a
Speaker 4: new Finish film set. It's like you'd love it. It's
Speaker 4: a Western really, it's set in desolate Lapland towards the
Speaker 4: end of World War Two. This former Finnish commando who's
Speaker 4: kind of gone off and he's just prospecting for gold.
Speaker 4: His family has been killed by the Nazis. He's just
Speaker 4: similar to the Wilderness. But the Nazis as they're leaving
Speaker 4: being chased out of Finland by Russia, come through and
Speaker 4: they steal his gold and a story unfolded. But it's
Speaker 4: a fantastic film, and the violence is extraordinarily brutal, but
Speaker 4: again almost cartoonish.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's because in Glorious Barsards is my favorite Tarantino film.
Speaker 2: I think it has one of the best sequences of
Speaker 2: all time, which involves I think we spoke about it
Speaker 2: last week with with Limo potentially.
Speaker 1: I think it's come up a few times.
Speaker 2: Actually, there's a great scene where there's a run a
Speaker 2: little bunker bark or the rendezvous where there's Diane Kruger
Speaker 2: is a fastbending their meeting. You know, there's a meeting
Speaker 2: and going on and there's some drunk German soldiers and
Speaker 2: the company and it just goes on that scene. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I actually really like that scene. Yeah, so you've seen
Speaker 2: that because that that Yeah, yeah, I've seen that. That
Speaker 2: is an extraordinarily tense scene. And I think that's what
Speaker 2: I said, we'll get your three favorite films in a sect.
Speaker 2: But I said in the intro, I just want to
Speaker 2: make sure I do clarify it that Pulp Fiction is
Speaker 2: certainly the one film that I think will be the
Speaker 2: highest point of Taranton's legacy because it really changed cinema,
Speaker 2: Like everyone was all of a sudden, sometimes better and worse,
Speaker 2: to be honest, Like, and I funny you say about
Speaker 2: the stylistic violence, and I completely agreed. All that came
Speaker 2: out and it was like, yeah, he stylizing in his
Speaker 2: glorifying violence. I look at it now and it doesn't
Speaker 2: seem as stylistic as as I remembered it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was my reaction to saying it too. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he had guy Ritchie, you know, who was
Speaker 2: kind of probably got a lot of you know, his
Speaker 2: budgets went through the roof because of Pulp Fiction and
Speaker 2: films like that, and that's very stylistic and where this
Speaker 2: kind of felt less stylistic than I remembered. I hadn't
Speaker 2: seen it for a few years, but yeah, Tarantina does
Speaker 2: do these great set pieces, you know, and and and.
Speaker 1: The longer his career went on, the more time he had.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what I love about pulp fiction, but
Speaker 2: even more so these other films where he's just a
Speaker 2: filmmaker who knows and those importance of the sitting with
Speaker 2: the character and the observing a character, whether it's Bruce
Speaker 2: Willis parking his car block away and going through that
Speaker 2: and then the car a lot to get to his
Speaker 2: to his apartment, you know, because he knows that there
Speaker 2: might be people waiting for him.
Speaker 4: Or Yeah, it allows that time to play out.
Speaker 1: Yes, and that's and that's not what I love it.
Speaker 4: But it was interesting watching Sizu straight after. Yeah, right,
Speaker 4: both both films, and quite clearly this filmmaker I can't
Speaker 4: remember his name, has gone for that kind of Western parallels.
Speaker 4: But it's it's broken up into the same way. It's
Speaker 4: got the set pieces like Chapter Chapter, the Nazis, the
Speaker 4: scorched Earth and not quite a set piece. It's linear, yep.
Speaker 4: But yeah, certainly you could see Tarantino's hands in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, your three favorite films, let's have a chat about
Speaker 2: those we had down by the Law.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 4: In my kind of you know, twenties thirties, I was
Speaker 4: really in an art house. I'd mainly just go to
Speaker 4: art house films, and I developed a bit of a
Speaker 4: taste for Jim Jimoush and Dumblow. I don't think i've
Speaker 4: seen it again, so it's kind of hard to recollect.
Speaker 4: But you know that a film experience stays with you
Speaker 4: for those not for me. Tom Waits is in it.
Speaker 4: Three guys are all kind of escaping from a prison
Speaker 4: in a deep South. It's a road movie really of
Speaker 4: these three guys kind of and shot in black and white.
Speaker 4: It's very slow paced.
Speaker 2: As as as I'm trying to remember if I've seen it,
Speaker 2: I did. I was a bit late at Jim Jimmoush. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and they jumped in around and Ghost Dog the Way,
Speaker 2: the Samurai with Forrest Whittaker and the Bill Murray one
Speaker 2: Broken Flowers.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Enjoyed until the very last shot, which I found a
Speaker 2: little bit infuriating. But I can't quite remember seeing my Lord.
Speaker 2: I have a faint memory of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a buddy you know, it's a buddy road
Speaker 4: movie in a sense, but you really slow. It's comic.
Speaker 4: It's comic at times. Lots of non dialogue. Music's great.
Speaker 4: This Tom Waite's music in it. There's other music in
Speaker 4: it as well. It kind of South music. The other
Speaker 4: film of his around that time is a film called
Speaker 4: Mystery Train, which I also loved, and it was kind
Speaker 4: of four set pieces all set in this one location
Speaker 4: in a nondescript US regional town that all the events
Speaker 4: happen at the same time. There's one kind of noise,
Speaker 4: a sound of a train crashing. I think that connects
Speaker 4: the four stories. Yeah, I just really liked He's really
Speaker 4: liked his kind of ponderous story, like ponderous but also
Speaker 4: still a lot happening, allowing characters to slowly unfurl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad to watch it again.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 1: I'm going to watch it because there's there's a part
Speaker 1: of me. Is there a campfires seen?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of them
Speaker 4: on the road, but also finding kendred souls who put
Speaker 4: them up. I've got a memory of them being in
Speaker 4: a house with an old woman and I think of
Speaker 4: wearing our clothes and stuff. But maybe you know, it's
Speaker 4: interesting when you have like a really fun memory of
Speaker 4: a film and there's only just it's just the residue
Speaker 4: of it that Yeah, I remember walking out, just going
Speaker 4: I can't wait to see his next film, and Mystery
Speaker 4: Training the next film, and then I don't think I've
Speaker 4: seen one of his films since then.
Speaker 2: Well, sometimes you do those films where you do have
Speaker 2: a emotional reaction to it. Within Chinatown last week with Limo,
Speaker 2: and I hadn't seen it since I was a teenager,
Speaker 2: and I think it was just a bit hard for
Speaker 2: me to really connect with this story about corruption and
Speaker 2: you know, and I thought was doing while one was
Speaker 2: doing the laundry behind me, thought, you know. But I
Speaker 2: watched it again and bloody hell, it punched me in
Speaker 2: the guts with that ending, and it really it was
Speaker 2: a really visceral reaction. I had a really visceral reaction
Speaker 2: to it. I watched last night Asteroid City, the premier
Speaker 2: of the new West Anderson film. I took my fourteen
Speaker 2: year old sun Oscar, and I really enjoyed it. I
Speaker 2: wasn't It was a different experience. I intellectually enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: There's some laughs in there. I look forward to watching
Speaker 2: it again. I might say with Wes Anderson, sometimes I'm
Speaker 2: so taking in all the aesthetics of his films. Then
Speaker 2: usually I usually grow to like these films more than
Speaker 2: more I see it. But when that film like, it's
Speaker 2: two ways you can see a film, the way that
Speaker 2: it actually gets into your bones and makes you feel something,
Speaker 2: as opposed to kind of this going admiring a film
Speaker 2: and it feels like you've had like an emotional reaction to.
Speaker 1: Down by Law.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, News Front.
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's has come up with We've done Network
Speaker 2: on this podcast before. We actually covered it with Chris Walker,
Speaker 2: and it's come up in piles films. But News Front, Ossie.
Speaker 4: The reason this one always sticks out, And again I.
Speaker 2: Would be surprised if there wasn't Nazzi film and you're
Speaker 2: just three. By the way, I didn't describe you both
Speaker 2: an intro last week when I promoted you is if
Speaker 2: Paul Kelly did comedy, you'd be Paul Kelly, which I
Speaker 2: hope you take as an absolutely.
Speaker 4: I'll let him know we kicked the footage together. Oh
Speaker 4: that's great. I picked News Front because it was a
Speaker 4: film I saw, probably you know, my early teens, and
Speaker 4: it was the first time I was conscious of Australian
Speaker 4: filmmaking and the Australian storytelling and that really stayed with me.
Speaker 4: I think I watched it again a few years later
Speaker 4: but haven't since. And it tells the story of it's
Speaker 4: the dying day of the newsreel makers as television's taking over.
Speaker 4: So it's set in the mid nineteen fifties, like televisions
Speaker 4: are repairing people's homes. But the kind of cowboys who
Speaker 4: went out making these news stories. They were like at
Speaker 4: the vanguard of news journalism really, and they're kind of
Speaker 4: fighting for their patch as TV starts to take over.
Speaker 1: And is Judy Davis in it?
Speaker 4: They might be that the two Gerard Kennedy maybe Bill Hunter.
Speaker 4: I think they're brothers and they're kind of fighting, you know,
Speaker 4: ones moving into we should move into TV and the
Speaker 4: other ones going, nah, this is what we do.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love those transition movies. I've seen it.
Speaker 2: In the Rain, you know, is a great one obviously,
Speaker 2: of where the Bookie Knights is also covers you know,
Speaker 2: weirdly similar territory and yeah, just those those moments where
Speaker 2: something's dying and do you embrace the next thing and
Speaker 2: evolve and grow or do you try to hang on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, most memorably of the roles Chris Haywood. It's the
Speaker 4: first film I saw him do, and he would have
Speaker 4: been reasonably young at the time. He would have been
Speaker 4: in his late twenties. I think he's so great, And yeah,
Speaker 4: he's so great. He plays, he's one of the journals.
Speaker 4: He's very funny. He actually like lifts the film to
Speaker 4: out of the kind of stodgy argumentative stuff into him
Speaker 4: trying to find stories, and it kind of covers there
Speaker 4: was some big floods up in the Hunter Valley around
Speaker 4: that time, and it covers that story and the risks
Speaker 4: that they take without giving it away. It kind of
Speaker 4: ends quite tragically, so that one's kind of always stayed
Speaker 4: with me, and you know, as far as a link
Speaker 4: between in the same way, the Club did to more
Speaker 4: to play than the film, because sport has played such
Speaker 4: a part in my stick life as well as my
Speaker 4: real life. I remember I did another podcast, right to
Speaker 4: give a book a film, and I gave the Club
Speaker 4: and then thought I'd better watch it again. Oh my god,
Speaker 4: it stinks. Now.
Speaker 2: We watched it with Ben Lee for the first time,
Speaker 2: and yeah, it's it's an it's a very interesting watch.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's still some things that I that
Speaker 2: hold up that I like, but there are things that
Speaker 2: have happened within that aren't necessarily that would be handled
Speaker 2: very absolutely.
Speaker 4: Yeah, flipping you know, throwaways about domestic violence. Yeah, it doesn't.
Speaker 4: It doesn't stand up. And the play had more of
Speaker 4: an impact because mother and Dad used to take us
Speaker 4: to the theater all the time and seeing you know,
Speaker 4: seeing sport portrayed artistically for the first time, going oh okay.
Speaker 4: And it was also a bit shocking, you know, the
Speaker 4: sleeping with your legless sister scene. I just remember think
Speaker 4: it was the funniest thing I ever heard, and it
Speaker 4: was a great But yeah, so the Club sort of
Speaker 4: in a way, I kind of wish I had time
Speaker 4: to see News Run again to see if it does
Speaker 4: stack up.
Speaker 1: The Club, certainly, it's a tricky one. The Club.
Speaker 2: We grew up around a time you know where there
Speaker 2: was it was a great time for the trail film industry,
Speaker 2: you know, the seventies eighties that there was an excitement around.
Speaker 2: I mean, we'mber seeing crocod I've done THEE and far
Speaker 2: Lap in the cinemas and we really wanted to go.
Speaker 1: We genuinely wanted to go see them.
Speaker 2: And I really hope I'm not sure what, you know,
Speaker 2: it probably needs you know, more government, you know, taxing
Speaker 2: centives and investment to make Australia more and more Australian films.
Speaker 2: But there was a real excitement about those films. Yeah,
Speaker 2: even something like BMX band it's you know, you know,
Speaker 2: we joke about it, but it was it was exciting
Speaker 2: to hear our voices and you know, you know, kind
Speaker 2: of a weird kind of comedy about something we love
Speaker 2: on screen. So I don't know what has to happen,
Speaker 2: but I wish there was that excitement when the same
Speaker 2: film he's released. Yeah.
Speaker 4: When when I was a kid, my dad was a
Speaker 4: school teacher and headmaster, and when he was principal at
Speaker 4: McLeod High School in Melbourne's Northern Suburbs, they used to
Speaker 4: have a film night once a month and Dad used
Speaker 4: to always feel like he should go to those things,
Speaker 4: and so it meant that I was taken to you know,
Speaker 4: you know, I was probably twelve or thirteen, and I
Speaker 4: remember I saw The Manifelt to Earth with David Bowie,
Speaker 4: really graphic stuff. The Tamar and Seed, which was Juliandrews
Speaker 4: and Sydney Portier, was kind of full front of Juliandrew's
Speaker 4: nudity and it's like, oh, very popular, what are you doing?
Speaker 4: Put your gear back on? What's going on?
Speaker 1: Pop that back employees.
Speaker 4: And I think that was the first time I saw
Speaker 4: news Front was in the environment because they sometimes played
Speaker 4: Australian films. So I think that's a you know, duty
Speaker 4: for Australians to get behind their filmmakers and do things
Speaker 4: like that organized organized screenings because I still do screenings
Speaker 4: with a merger and people go, I feel like they've
Speaker 4: just made it because I've never heard of it all.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's a duty of all the strains to
Speaker 4: if you want our stories to be made and get
Speaker 4: behind them and they come out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, But particularly there's not just the string filmmakers making
Speaker 2: you know, American films, but just yet specifically you know, yes,
Speaker 2: when we're making our stories, you know, and then there
Speaker 2: is you know, you do we have films like the
Speaker 2: Satires where there was excitement, you know, so there is
Speaker 2: there is an audience there, and I think maybe and
Speaker 2: maybe it's getting that extra funding to be able to
Speaker 2: push it and keep it in cinemas for a bit
Speaker 2: longer and different ways.
Speaker 4: It's interesting the Cans Brothers have just got a film.
Speaker 4: It's going to be part of myth. I think it's
Speaker 4: called Late Night with the Devil. Oh yes, yeah, I
Speaker 4: actually auditioned for it, so I was kind of follow
Speaker 4: it and fans of those guys they did one hundred acres.
Speaker 4: It's interesting talking to them about the process of they
Speaker 4: kind of went, oh, we wanted to make a film
Speaker 4: and obviously this is more remarkable to make it American,
Speaker 4: even though they had like the main characters they kind
Speaker 4: of based largely on Don Lane because it's about you know,
Speaker 4: the whole Don Laane was obsessed with psychics and so
Speaker 4: it's a bit like that, like taking that idea to
Speaker 4: a degree and an interesting dichotomy because it's an American
Speaker 4: in Australia. But yeah, so it's already I think attracting
Speaker 4: attention overseas because it's set you an American late night
Speaker 4: games talk show in the seventies. So but yeah, you
Speaker 4: don't want to have filmmakers to be just making decisions,
Speaker 4: economic decisions about the stories.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: Princess Brian has come up on this times many many
Speaker 2: many times, as you can imagine, and we covered it
Speaker 2: with Lloyd Langford.
Speaker 1: He watched it a fid fast time, Yes, a delight.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well just this weekend it's been playing with the
Speaker 4: moment sympathy Orchestra. Gatesy Stephen Gates from Tripod was an
Speaker 4: interview with Kerry Elwis. I don't know if you've read
Speaker 4: the book. Carry Alis has written a book about the
Speaker 4: Princess Bride and his stories, and it's inevitably great. But
Speaker 4: like carry Alis is the least interesting person in the film,
Speaker 4: and so he managed to render stories that you could
Speaker 4: tell if Christopher Guest was telling it, it would be
Speaker 4: infinitely better. Bandy Patinkin. It's just kind of written by
Speaker 4: the wrong person. But you can still kind of like
Speaker 4: theater and go, and you know, if you're a nerd
Speaker 4: fan of the film, it's certainly the film I probably
Speaker 4: watched the Most Money Path and The Holy Grail. It'd be,
Speaker 4: you know, too interchangeable. The reason I kind of chose
Speaker 4: it is I had a really beautiful moment with this
Speaker 4: film when I was teaching. I used to be a
Speaker 4: primary school teacher and I retrained to become a drama teacher,
Speaker 4: and that led to be performing into what you know,
Speaker 4: what I do? Why I do what I do now?
Speaker 4: But I always used to you know, I was very
Speaker 4: creative with my teaching, and I always used to pride
Speaker 4: myself on the rapport the kids. Would you know, kids, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I love me in Demo's class, you know, And it
Speaker 4: wasn't just me trying to be liked. I had an
Speaker 4: interesting teaching style and you know, I put a lot
Speaker 4: of work into it. Anyway that this one particular year,
Speaker 4: there was a kid in a class who I just
Speaker 4: couldn't I just couldn't bond with. He was he wasn't
Speaker 4: super naughty, but you know, it was it was a
Speaker 4: real disconnect. But I'd become friends, a lot of friends,
Speaker 4: but you know, befriended his parents because our winemakers in
Speaker 4: the Ara Valley, and like my dad was a massive
Speaker 4: wine buff and he knew them. And so there was
Speaker 4: this kind of like, you know, why can't I, Why
Speaker 4: can't I get through to Jason? What just something about it?
Speaker 4: And then I was talking to his mom about it,
Speaker 4: and she was a bit baffled to because I don't know, Damian,
Speaker 4: like we love you, it's I don't know. We just
Speaker 4: got to try and find something that he's into, and
Speaker 4: so so I just said, what he's he into? She
Speaker 4: went through some set. I really loved the Princess Bride,
Speaker 4: and I went right, Okay. So the next week I
Speaker 4: was in the classroom and I just I just got
Speaker 4: to walk past his desk and I went, my name
Speaker 4: is a Niga men Dyer. You did my father? And
Speaker 4: he just looked up and he went back to day.
Speaker 4: And then for the rest of that week, I just
Speaker 4: kept walking past his desk and he would start in
Speaker 4: shading himself. You just go ho, lady.
Speaker 3: Ah blave to blave.
Speaker 1: It was so beauty.
Speaker 4: And then we kind of cracked it. At the end
Speaker 4: of the year. I was going, I'm going to get
Speaker 4: the best present like parents and why makers I worked
Speaker 4: really hard to crack this relationship. Probably get a case
Speaker 4: of wine. I got a notebook, a blank notebook pack.
Speaker 4: It's sorry about presence.
Speaker 1: No, it's not. That's not what you teach. That's why
Speaker 1: you got out of teaching.
Speaker 4: Yeah, case of wine still be.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: A strange comedy is glad you didn't get that case
Speaker 2: of wine. Let's let's get into it now. This is
Speaker 2: the movie I hated this.
Speaker 1: Guys.
Speaker 2: Let's before we find out what you think. Let's just
Speaker 2: let's enjoy a little bit more of it.
Speaker 7: You read the Bible writ yes, well, there's this passage
Speaker 7: I got memoried physication Ezeki'll twenty five seventeen. The path
Speaker 7: of the righteous man is beset on all sides by
Speaker 7: the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny.
Speaker 1: Of evil men.
Speaker 7: Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and
Speaker 7: good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness,
Speaker 7: For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder
Speaker 7: of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee
Speaker 7: with great vengeance and furious anger, those who attempt to poison.
Speaker 1: And destroy my brothers.
Speaker 5: And you will know my name is the Law when
Speaker 5: I lay my vengeance of bondy.
Speaker 1: There is some of that violence we spoke about earlier
Speaker 1: Damien Kwen.
Speaker 2: Then from nineteen ninety four Quentin Tarantino wrote also Roger
Speaker 2: Avery deserves some credit here because he came up with
Speaker 2: He had written also some of these stories for another
Speaker 2: film that he was working on. I think some of
Speaker 2: it might have been edited for True Romance, directed of
Speaker 2: course by qt a massive film wins the PALMDI or
Speaker 2: a couple of oscars.
Speaker 1: Damien Kwen, Did you enjoy pulp fiction.
Speaker 4: More than I thought I would? Yes, yeah, yeah, it start.
Speaker 4: I particularly enjoyed. It was interesting thinking back to it
Speaker 4: because I remember at the time, because there's so much
Speaker 4: talk about film, you can't help but it's collateral, you know,
Speaker 4: residue bits of brain and skull land on you even
Speaker 4: if you haven't watched pop fiction. And I remember at
Speaker 4: the time thinking, ah, suddenly John Travoltz is cool again.
Speaker 2: But the one thing that people don't talk about because
Speaker 2: Bruce willis also kind of this was a mini comeback.
Speaker 2: This wasn't a comeback in the Yeah, the guys of
Speaker 2: you know, on the bigger scale as Travolter, but he
Speaker 2: wasn't getting kind of the work that he had been.
Speaker 1: He needed a shot in the arm in a way.
Speaker 4: So did it pre date Diehard?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, Diehard is like teen year Diehard's about
Speaker 2: eighty eight or so, about six years after that, and yeah,
Speaker 2: but they both did.
Speaker 1: Look who's talking.
Speaker 2: Travolta and Brice Willis, and nobody talks about because Bruce
Speaker 2: Willis is the voice and Travolta's in there with Kirsty Alley.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it certainly was and almost became Tarantino's thing
Speaker 2: of like bringing somebody back, you know, Taren Deine was
Speaker 2: was in Kill Bill and yeah, so yeah, it certainly
Speaker 2: was a big thing.
Speaker 4: More I think he's I think he's a standout yep.
Speaker 4: And yeah, and the dynamic with Sarmon Jackson's extraordinary, or
Speaker 4: the dialogue leading up to the first executions wonderful, you know,
Speaker 4: and go and kill time down the end of the corridor,
Speaker 4: all that kind of like just that perfunctory nature of
Speaker 4: life as a hitman hitman and what.
Speaker 2: It's because what happened I think after this is a
Speaker 2: lot of filmmakers started putting in these scenes of people
Speaker 2: just chatting and talking and about pop culture and you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'm not sure if they knew what the purpose
Speaker 2: was sometimes, you know, And and Tarantino, I think what
Speaker 2: he's doing is he's just humanizing. Like most of the
Speaker 2: time you have these really violent, you know, and dangerous
Speaker 2: and tense pieces, but he's really showcasing these people are
Speaker 2: human and we kind of we kind of grow to
Speaker 2: kind of like them. We've all been like some of
Speaker 2: the conversation funny enough, it's almost Seinfeldian, you know, like,
Speaker 2: you know, is it okay? You can imagine the foot
Speaker 2: massage being and you know Unfeld episode. Yes, you know,
Speaker 2: you can imagine George coming back from you know, from
Speaker 2: Paris and Amsdam and talking about what you know, what
Speaker 2: they call the quarter pounder. Yeah, it's completely Sunfeld and
Speaker 2: so and you know it comes around that time when
Speaker 2: sun Feld you know, yeah, big, yeah.
Speaker 1: But it does humanize the characters.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, absolutely does, even though you know, if I was
Speaker 4: seeing it in nine ninety four the first time, you
Speaker 4: possibly wouldn't know that it's going to turn as well
Speaker 4: as it is. But yeah, I knew that was coming.
Speaker 4: But I still really enjoyed every think that was my
Speaker 4: most enjoyable sequence of the film was that the car
Speaker 4: and walk up the stairs and just just dropping dropping
Speaker 4: stuff here and you're learning a little bit about the
Speaker 4: characters as you go to in their background and yeah yeah,
Speaker 4: but also the dimness of Samuel Jackson's worldview. Yes, they're
Speaker 4: talking about his Oh what's Europe like? It's like he's
Speaker 4: never it's a very American American. Well what's Europe like?
Speaker 4: I've never thought about it? And talking about it from
Speaker 4: the perspective of the burger chains.
Speaker 1: Let's have a listen look because it is obviously it's funny.
Speaker 2: In a movie that has so many great set pieces,
Speaker 2: it's still sometimes the dialogue that gets coming quite at
Speaker 2: the most. Just have a little listen to that conversation
Speaker 2: with John Travolda and Samuel Jackson playing Vincent and Jules.
Speaker 4: But you know what funny thing about Europe is what
Speaker 4: it's a little differences. I mean, they got the same
Speaker 4: ship over there that they got here, but it's.
Speaker 1: Just it's just there. It's a little different.
Speaker 5: Example, all right, Well, you can walk into a movie
Speaker 5: theater in Amsterdam and buy a beer and I don't
Speaker 5: mean just like a little paper cup.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about a glass of beer.
Speaker 4: And in Paris you.
Speaker 7: Can buy a beer in McDonald And you know what
Speaker 7: they call a quarter pound orhich cheese.
Speaker 1: Parent They don't call it a quarter pound or a cheek.
Speaker 1: I mean they got the metric system. They don't know
Speaker 1: what the fuck a quarter pound is, and what do
Speaker 1: they call it? They call it Arryal, which is right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh it's you.
Speaker 5: That's what they call it, Big Mac, Big Max, big Mac,
Speaker 5: but they call it love big macin a big.
Speaker 1: Put it go.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I didn't joan to Burdick.
Speaker 1: That that reaction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it does give us great Uh yeah, we're
Speaker 2: learning a bit about it. But it is character informing,
Speaker 2: not just because you know the reason you just said,
Speaker 2: but also it tells us that Vincent has come back
Speaker 2: from you know, from being three years away and from Amsterdam.
Speaker 2: You know, it's not a coincidence that they've chosen Amsterdam
Speaker 2: because he is he's pretty sloppy.
Speaker 1: He's a sloppy hit man.
Speaker 2: He's not when they go and get the guns out,
Speaker 2: I think it is his job to kind of organize
Speaker 2: the guns. And he realized they should have had shotguns,
Speaker 2: not quite even sure how many people are in the apartment.
Speaker 1: So there's these things that kind of tell us that that.
Speaker 4: Well, it's both of them, really, isn't it, Like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you're saying it's on, it's on travol I.
Speaker 1: Think that's something that kind of they have that suggests
Speaker 1: that may.
Speaker 2: Then when he when they're in the room, Jackson Jules
Speaker 2: is he's taking charge. He's the one running the show
Speaker 2: where Vincent is in the background having a smoke, and
Speaker 2: we're happy to requote his you know, his little trivia.
Speaker 2: He's tippit about the royale of cheese like probably should
Speaker 2: have checked, you know, check the place out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, through the kitchen drawers. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And something that you may miss. Marvin, the guy who
Speaker 2: they take with him is is in on this, like
Speaker 2: he's he's their guy on the inside that they kind
Speaker 2: of refer to when they're getting the guns out.
Speaker 4: Okay, I did, I did wonder that. But there's a
Speaker 4: lot of loose.
Speaker 2: Ends anyway, and this is a movie that does allow
Speaker 2: you that gray areas. I mean, the briefcase is, you know,
Speaker 2: the biggest gray area of like what is and tearing
Speaker 2: him is happy for us to but.
Speaker 4: I agree that I reckon there is there's something about
Speaker 4: Trevalda's character that, ye, maybe he was sent to Amsterdam
Speaker 4: because he fucked up. Yeah, but he's also he's also
Speaker 4: questioned things all the time, like he's you know, he's
Speaker 4: the one who goes to you know, Harvy Cartel, to
Speaker 4: mister Wolf, you know, just please you know, like he's
Speaker 4: he doesn't quite handle.
Speaker 2: Ye, Well, it sucks up. It sucks up all the time.
Speaker 2: Like every time he goes to the toilet, it ends badly.
Speaker 2: So he goes, he goes to the toilet.
Speaker 1: Uh, basically with.
Speaker 2: When he goes back to MEA's place, comes out, she's
Speaker 2: od on his he did not take out of his
Speaker 2: own Jaco pocket.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: He goes to the toll he's in the toilet in
Speaker 2: the restaurant, which we only find out I think a
Speaker 2: bit later when he comes back out. It's all it's
Speaker 2: almost a Mexican standoff. He goes to the toilet, and
Speaker 2: of course he gets killed when he goes to the
Speaker 2: leaves a noozy yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And yeah, having the time to process all that
Speaker 4: butt no, and that's quite deliverate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. And and he he also like he does
Speaker 1: like he makes really bad choices, which is great. This
Speaker 1: is great.
Speaker 2: You know, Like he takes the boss's wife out and
Speaker 2: does Heroin beforehand and then like takes takes her back,
Speaker 2: and even when they dance, but during during the date
Speaker 2: that he's quite good. And again there's these sin Feldy
Speaker 2: and lovely Son Feldy and kind of conversations about awkward
Speaker 2: silences and that are great, But then he goes back
Speaker 2: and they kind of dance their way through, and there's
Speaker 2: almost a moment and he knows there's videos, and he's
Speaker 2: dealing with his boss, who he believes threw a man
Speaker 2: off all the story of a building because he gave
Speaker 2: his wife a foot massage, and he's really he's dancing
Speaker 2: with the devil here, like yeah, and he's he goes
Speaker 2: to the bar through again. You know, he waits too long,
Speaker 2: but no, there there are Yeah, there are lots of
Speaker 2: examples of him that's making the Dancer.
Speaker 4: Certainly a scene that you know, the brain great brain
Speaker 4: matter had landed on me and was very familiar with.
Speaker 4: Seeing it in the context of the film was interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I really enjoyed his performance before it because I mean,
Speaker 4: obviously he's on heroin, so he's a bit out of it.
Speaker 4: But it's got a delightful male awkwardness, you know, when
Speaker 4: you've a woman's never seen your dance. Yeah, yeah, the
Speaker 4: way because she's looking straight ahead, gunbell straight and he's
Speaker 4: card looking at the ground and just kind of fidgeting
Speaker 4: with his face and stuff, which is also the heroine thing.
Speaker 4: But there is that Okay, what am I going to
Speaker 4: do here, yeah, but also playing that, as you said,
Speaker 4: dancing with the devil? How do I what's she going
Speaker 4: to do? How do I do? And then he gets
Speaker 4: more and more into it.
Speaker 1: And here, Yeah, he's confidence, you know, grows.
Speaker 2: It's an iconic scene obviously, but he's the way he
Speaker 2: asks that question when he and he knows and he
Speaker 2: knows it's a dangerous question to ask. But you know,
Speaker 2: she comes back from the tall and he promised you'll
Speaker 2: have something to talk about. I think he wants to
Speaker 2: talk about and he does it so beautiful that again
Speaker 2: maybe avoid a bit of eye contact in front of
Speaker 2: but he asks about did her husband, Marcellus Wallace throw
Speaker 2: that man off the four throat, you know, the window
Speaker 2: because he gave her a foot massage?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like we know, he believes it.
Speaker 2: And then she just says it back to him and
Speaker 2: it sounds ridiculous all of a sudden, but it's it's
Speaker 2: so brilliant the way he plays that because he knows
Speaker 2: this is kind of slightly tricky territory. But I'm feeling
Speaker 2: comfortable enough and I've maybe got some stuff in my
Speaker 2: system that kind of is boosting my Dutch courage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's beautiful.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's also he's he he's already had Samuel L.
Speaker 4: Jackson argue back that it's not a big deal. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and so it's like it's like testing it again, but
Speaker 4: he's testing it in the well, Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's right. You got to argue that Vincent. There's something
Speaker 1: really subtle that I missed. I must say that.
Speaker 2: You know, I've seen this film quite a few times,
Speaker 2: but the first few times there's a scene that you
Speaker 2: could argue kicks this whole movie off, and it's such
Speaker 2: a subtle moment, but it's Vincent. When Vincent comes into
Speaker 2: that nightclub and he's now casually dressed because and we
Speaker 2: don't know why they're casually dress at the stage. He
Speaker 2: gets explained later on because of the nonlinear format, and
Speaker 2: he goes he's there to meet Marcellus Wallace. Bruce Willis
Speaker 2: has just chatted to Marcellus Wallace about you know, you're
Speaker 2: going to throw the fight and butch Bruce Willis's character
Speaker 2: it seems to take them. He's not happy about it,
Speaker 2: and Marcellis Wallace has been got a little bit disrespectful
Speaker 2: about his career, but kind of just saying, you know,
Speaker 2: giving him enough to kind of he seems that because
Speaker 2: he only fears Marcellus, I think he also kind of
Speaker 2: respects him as well. He seems not necessarily happy that
Speaker 2: he has to do this, but he's going to get
Speaker 2: rewarded for it, and he's a reasonable piece with that.
Speaker 1: That's the way I took it. But then.
Speaker 2: A good friend, Vincent walks in and they had this
Speaker 2: exchange at the bar and Bruce Willis and he calls
Speaker 2: him mister Poluk or Joe Peluca, which apparently I only
Speaker 2: don't notice because the research was a reference to somebody
Speaker 2: who would throw I think there were books like old,
Speaker 2: really old pulp fiction kind of books about a guy
Speaker 2: who would throw fights. And so Butch walks out of
Speaker 2: that room in a very different kind of headspace because
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 1: Because of that interaction, more.
Speaker 2: So than the interaction with Marsalis, is also the theory
Speaker 2: that it's actually Butch who keys Vincent's car, which he's
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier did a drug dealer, Eric Staltz, which I
Speaker 2: love that scene they're talking about somebody keen their car,
Speaker 2: why they're about the jack up on Heroin, Like it's
Speaker 2: almost like the guy there's a chance that the guy
Speaker 2: who keeps your car may may have visited that drug dealer,
Speaker 2: you know, at some point, you know, potentially, And I
Speaker 2: think that basically kicks this whole thing off because then
Speaker 2: Bruce Willis decide he's not going to throw the fire, right,
Speaker 2: And so I think I think you're right about Vincent.
Speaker 2: I think he's the most interesting character. I do love
Speaker 2: Samuel Jackson as well, and we'll get to him, but
Speaker 2: I think he has potentially he's kind of the he
Speaker 2: kind of drives this plot. Yeah, And even though I
Speaker 2: think Jules has the biggest kind of character, as Samuel
Speaker 2: Jackson has the biggest character arc in the in the
Speaker 2: whole the film.
Speaker 4: That's interesting because apart from him saying I'm gonna quit,
Speaker 4: I couldn't say it. I couldn't see what his arc
Speaker 4: was like. It felt like he was just saying it.
Speaker 4: I didn't well to be maybe there's some things I
Speaker 4: missed along the way.
Speaker 2: I would say, for me, he literally kills a man
Speaker 2: like one of the early you know, he kills me,
Speaker 2: and he takes a man's life, and in the final
Speaker 2: scene we see him spare a life.
Speaker 1: So to me, that would be that would be yeah.
Speaker 2: I guess a big, a big shift in his philosophy,
Speaker 2: and the fact that he's not with Vincent when Vincent
Speaker 2: gets taken needs that he has walked away. He has
Speaker 2: walked away, so he has been genuine about it in fact,
Speaker 2: and that is why died. Why died there's nobody with him.
Speaker 2: But also it's also Marcellus Wallace's fault because people talk
Speaker 2: about the coincidence that Bruce Willis kind of comes up
Speaker 2: and there's Marcellus Wallace at the lights. The theory is
Speaker 2: that Marcellus Wallas he spoke was was what also because
Speaker 2: it happens just outside Butch's apartment. So Marcellus Wallace was
Speaker 2: carrying donuts back with two cups of coffee, so he
Speaker 2: probably again if Vincent was thicking correctly one take the
Speaker 2: oozy with you. But he's gone to the toilet, not
Speaker 2: waiting for Marcellis to get back. There's also a thing
Speaker 2: about constipation being linked with heroin, which I yeah, so
Speaker 2: it's these are like the little tiny touches that Tarantino
Speaker 2: has in the even to the point where there's the
Speaker 2: drug deal with Eric Staltz, there's talk of balloons and baggies,
Speaker 2: which this is all over my head.
Speaker 1: I only noticed through research, I promise you. Yeah, same, yeah,
Speaker 1: So when so when?
Speaker 2: So, basically, cocaine is often I mean balloons or bags
Speaker 2: or in the vice versa for heroin. So when Emma
Speaker 2: Thurman finds it in his pocket, she assumes it's cocaine
Speaker 2: because it's in a bag or whatever whatever matches up
Speaker 2: with and then it's you know, it's it's chaos because
Speaker 2: she's just snorted heroin. So it's yeah, but yeah, I
Speaker 2: think Vincent is. I think Vincent and Jewels are certainly
Speaker 2: the most interesting characters.
Speaker 4: So it's the key moment for so Jackson at the
Speaker 4: bulletsmiss then yes, that's it, Yes, the only that's the
Speaker 4: only epiphany that's coming and going, you know, I need
Speaker 4: to give this up.
Speaker 2: I think so yeah, because people will talk about pulp
Speaker 2: fiction and say it's it's it's got no structure, you know,
Speaker 2: like you throw a structure out the window.
Speaker 1: It's that classic thing.
Speaker 2: And you know this because you know you've written films
Speaker 2: that you need to know the rules before you break
Speaker 2: the rules. And and Tarantino is aware of the rules
Speaker 2: in order to break them, but he also doesn't break
Speaker 2: them as much as people think like this false kind
Speaker 2: of story is going on. There's there's the Vincent story,
Speaker 2: there's a Jewel story, there's the Butch story, and there's
Speaker 2: the smaller story is the honey bunny. And yeah, at
Speaker 2: the start, but they've all got like an inciting incident,
Speaker 2: they've all got a climax. You know, they've all got
Speaker 2: everything that you need to make a story work. It's
Speaker 2: just the non linear kind of gives it, you know,
Speaker 2: a different.
Speaker 4: Not set off the trails.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jaws is a flashier character than Vincent.
Speaker 2: I think he's better at his job and he's more
Speaker 2: focused on his job. I think it's great that you
Speaker 2: have that mix. You know, you don't want two people
Speaker 2: nailing their job. You want to have that kind of
Speaker 2: you know, you want to make two characters who work
Speaker 2: together exactly the same. But it's a great performance and
Speaker 2: he I do love the quoting the Bible, which apparently
Speaker 2: is only like half it's accurate and the other half
Speaker 2: is kind of not.
Speaker 4: Ven twisted to Yes, okay, but I like that.
Speaker 2: And I'm not sure if Jawles is supposed to kind
Speaker 2: of if he knows, if he knows his had living
Speaker 2: or if he's got that from somewhere else and believes
Speaker 2: it it actually is. And I do like the fact
Speaker 2: that he acknowledges I just thought it was something cooled
Speaker 2: to say before I knock somebody else.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I must submit that I did like that moment.
Speaker 4: That's his that's his spiel. Yeah, but there's nothing behind it,
Speaker 4: like as part of you when you hear it the
Speaker 4: first time is has he somehow use the scriptures to
Speaker 4: justify the heinous things that he does? But then later
Speaker 4: on he's going, now it just sounds cool. It's the
Speaker 4: sound of his own voice.
Speaker 1: He's living in the gangs's paradise or.
Speaker 4: Almost to build himself up to the moment too.
Speaker 1: What do you the briefcase? Do you have thoughts? Did
Speaker 1: you want to know? Where you?
Speaker 2: Did you like this kind of ambiguous that we never
Speaker 2: really found. It is the mcguffin of the story. For
Speaker 2: those who don't know mcguffeity is something that he's almost
Speaker 2: an object that he's helps strive the plot forward, but
Speaker 2: doesn't end up having any kind of impact on the
Speaker 2: multie Falcon is a.
Speaker 4: Famous well, it does in the sense that you know
Speaker 4: he's not prepared to give it up at the end.
Speaker 4: So drives his drives their decision making rather than the
Speaker 4: pluri suppose. But now I was happy not to know
Speaker 4: what it was. I mean, you know, the the glowing
Speaker 4: gold obviously goes to the obvious, but you know, did
Speaker 4: you have thoughts of what us it could be?
Speaker 2: Well, when I first saw it, not really, and then
Speaker 2: pretty quickly after seeing it, there was this theory that
Speaker 2: I quite like. And the Tarantinia has said everyone can
Speaker 2: make up their own mind, which I love. You know,
Speaker 2: there's there's theories that it was because Tarantinia likes to
Speaker 2: kind of build this like universe.
Speaker 1: These movies are a little bit linked.
Speaker 2: So it could be the diamonds from Reservoir Dogs, it
Speaker 2: could be it could be this gold jacket.
Speaker 1: Worn in true romance.
Speaker 2: I like to think there's a lovely theory that it's
Speaker 2: actually Marcellus Wallace's soul. So the idea is that the
Speaker 2: combination is six sixty six and Marcellus Wallace has his
Speaker 2: band aid at the back of his neck, which I'm
Speaker 2: we were going to say is where his soul was
Speaker 2: kind of extracted from, and that the when they go
Speaker 2: to that apartment, that they are the Devil's kind of
Speaker 2: henchmen and and hence the divine intervention.
Speaker 4: You know, so is this your theory?
Speaker 1: That's not my theory. This is a pretty big theory
Speaker 1: out there.
Speaker 2: And yeah, Avery, Rod Dravery and grittin Tarantino have not
Speaker 2: you know, I think they kind of kind of light
Speaker 2: the theory, but I don't think it's necessarily what they
Speaker 2: had in mind. Apparently the band aid at the back
Speaker 2: of Marcella Was's head having Raim's of course, is he
Speaker 2: had like there's some kind of scar that he has
Speaker 2: and they're just covering it up.
Speaker 4: I mean, all right, he's my theory. Yeah, the band
Speaker 4: aid he shows, he shows his own skull with a
Speaker 4: razor strop and keeps sneaking it. And in the briefcase
Speaker 4: is a golden razors trup that he's he's imported from Amsterdam,
Speaker 4: a golden Epple lady and he's just waiting it's getting
Speaker 4: it delivered.
Speaker 1: It could be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not a strong theory. Let's be frank, it's
Speaker 4: a theory.
Speaker 1: It could be a Hawthorne jumper.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Wallaby's jersey from twenty two years ago when they
Speaker 4: were good to Golden signed Golden Bee, Golden Egg. Yeah,
Speaker 4: signed signed by good players.
Speaker 1: The last time we beat the All Blacks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I do love I do love that Tarantino
Speaker 2: doesn't He's confident enough not to answer all the questions.
Speaker 1: I like.
Speaker 2: You know a lot of people think and I'm not
Speaker 2: sure it's happened when you've written films where producers have
Speaker 2: gone what you're asking these questions? What are the answers
Speaker 2: to these questions? And I always think movies should be
Speaker 2: more about asking questions and answering them.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of things when you're writing
Speaker 4: film that you sometimes you leave side past to things
Speaker 4: that no one's ever going to ask questions about. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and that's part of the fun of it, you know.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Bruce willis again great, loved it. What do you
Speaker 2: think of Bruce Butch.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting hearing that Jerry Paluka theory because he
Speaker 4: was definitely completely subjugated in that first scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: With Wallace, he's he's he's like a dog that's rolled over. Yeah, completely, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I feel like he's he's completely on. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 4: sure he has and I missed that moment, but yeah,
Speaker 4: that the moment which on Travolta, it's like the Fighter,
Speaker 4: the Fighter re emerges.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there's a theory with the go about the
Speaker 2: Vincent and the kind of in that scene at the
Speaker 2: point of that that Vincent is sent Marcellus likes Vincent
Speaker 2: is almost like a mascot. He's a fun guy to
Speaker 2: hang out with. He's not the best sit man necessarily,
Speaker 2: but he's a fun guy. And all of his jobs
Speaker 2: are kind of there for him. That's to keep somebody company,
Speaker 2: you know, Like and that scene, don't see me, they're
Speaker 2: talking about royal with cheese. He's the Jewels is going
Speaker 2: to take care of the job. That's go along with him.
Speaker 2: You just go along with him. So yeah, he's driving
Speaker 2: that conversation. You know, he's keeping Jewels company.
Speaker 4: Until the next appointment exactly, and it's very much out
Speaker 4: it's like an appointment.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and then take my man out of town. Can
Speaker 2: you keep my wife company? Just be entertaining, just be
Speaker 2: he's the guy. Yeah, he's the guy who is here
Speaker 2: to entertain. So when he goes there, you know, Marcellus
Speaker 2: is the one who breaks it up by kind of saying,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, Vincent get over here and there's
Speaker 2: and it's like it's like we actually be Marcellus like
Speaker 2: that with anyone else. It's almost like Jovi, You're like,
Speaker 2: great to see him hugs. So I got to like
Speaker 2: that when you when you view Vincent like that, he's
Speaker 2: kind of there. He's a fun guy to have around, and.
Speaker 4: All bullies are like that. There's a I lived it.
Speaker 4: We went to the same school, Paraye College, and you know,
Speaker 4: there was more more bullies than school counselors.
Speaker 1: And there was there was.
Speaker 4: There was one going in particular I remember is the
Speaker 4: two at our school. The junior schools came together, you know,
Speaker 4: and thel the Elfhington School and the Bundura School combined
Speaker 4: and Alfington were definitely the alphas and we've bunder a
Speaker 4: kids like oh jeez, I go on the first camp.
Speaker 4: There was one bully who was like you know, he
Speaker 4: was you know, he'd sit down quadrangle every front. People
Speaker 4: go to the touch shop for him, like a like
Speaker 4: a Marthia Kingpin. That was hilarious. We're watching it from
Speaker 4: the outside and ended up on camp. His glass and
Speaker 4: mine came together and so I'm either going to be
Speaker 4: a victim or anyway. I did something funny in front
Speaker 4: of him and he loved it, and he just kept
Speaker 4: like I just get someone to knock on the cabin.
Speaker 4: I won't give him his name. He wants he wants
Speaker 4: you to come and entertain him. And I'd have to
Speaker 4: go out and just be funny again just to take
Speaker 4: out to Princess Brighte. So even those people get lonely,
Speaker 4: you know, it's part of the power too. But he
Speaker 4: just loved, he loved having me around. You're is Vincent
Speaker 4: Vager until a few years later, but that's another story
Speaker 4: we won't go. But yeah, I like I like that
Speaker 4: reference to him being when everyone loves to be around.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and probably me or too. It's like like
Speaker 4: him on him over Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's known within the organization has been that the
Speaker 2: fun guy, good company. I do like about this film
Speaker 2: that that you know, you can kick things off by
Speaker 2: straight away by there's been a crime instantly. But the
Speaker 2: fact that it is like Vincent's words to Butch to
Speaker 2: kick this things off. I like it when small things
Speaker 2: become big things. Yeah, you know, and there are you know,
Speaker 2: there are coincidences in this film, you know Butch running
Speaker 2: in their marselves. Like I said, I think it's maybe
Speaker 2: it's less coincidence and then then people realize if once
Speaker 2: you realize that he may he probably should have been
Speaker 2: with with Vincent. But they do go into a porn store.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not sure if every porn store has
Speaker 2: a gimp at the back. Yeah, yeah, I mean I know,
Speaker 2: I usually go to cash converters and I always check
Speaker 2: which Yeah, I always go in the back way, just
Speaker 2: to make sure.
Speaker 1: What do you make? What did you make? I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the big choice.
Speaker 4: That's the worst coincidence in it. Yeah, yeah, I think
Speaker 4: so as far as I want to have this set
Speaker 4: piece in here, and I mean it does it does
Speaker 4: work as a plot device because it brings and whiles
Speaker 4: together and a moment of atonement, So it works on
Speaker 4: that level. But yeah, it's like it was a give
Speaker 4: in the cage. Just it's funny. But yeah, but what's
Speaker 4: the game?
Speaker 1: What's the game's purpose? Because he's kind of the other two.
Speaker 2: Take Wallace in and you know, the awful stuff happens,
Speaker 2: but then the game's kind of chained up still.
Speaker 4: I think it's a yeah, he's supposed to watch him,
Speaker 4: but to watch him. I think it's just part of
Speaker 4: their kink that they've got a pet pet and someone
Speaker 4: who's gets off on it. Yeah, right, Channing him up
Speaker 4: is interesting because like if he does get away, as
Speaker 4: as proved, he couldn't do anything, Yeah, because.
Speaker 1: Is pretty quickly in the end he does give me
Speaker 1: one you know, smack him in the mouth, and then
Speaker 1: and he's done.
Speaker 4: Yeah, which which also shows that this guys like, yeah,
Speaker 4: he's you're physically useless. He's just a cowd Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: you're appendage to the disordered ship that they do in
Speaker 4: their basement.
Speaker 2: And which goes to leave and then decides which is
Speaker 2: maybe the most likable character, the most like a character
Speaker 2: in the film, You think, Yeah, I think so, I
Speaker 2: like that the because you know, we do like Vincent,
Speaker 2: but he has the better morals, I think in the film.
Speaker 1: He goes to leave and decides not to.
Speaker 2: This film is little with people kind of reacting slowly,
Speaker 2: which I find kind of funny. Like he goes decides
Speaker 2: to go back whilst Whilas is still being in Let's rape, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and the sides slowly come of the size. He picks
Speaker 2: up a hammer first case, and that probably would have
Speaker 2: got the job done, and then he got he finds
Speaker 2: a baseball bat, and then he finds the change the
Speaker 2: mini chainsaw, and then he sees the saurai.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just get And also it's also Tarantino exploring, Oh,
Speaker 4: they're in a porn shop, so of course there's gonna
Speaker 4: be all these options. What else was you know, a
Speaker 4: medicine ball? What else is? Yeah the comic and me
Speaker 4: would have liked something that completely useless and him summing
Speaker 4: it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's have it all. Listen to how that all
Speaker 1: ends with Marcellis and Butcher. Right now, what there? Let
Speaker 1: me tell you whatn't there.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna call a couple of hard pitting the niggas
Speaker 6: to go to work on the homes here with a
Speaker 6: pair of pliers and a blow torch. You hear me
Speaker 6: talking here, Billy boyd, I ain't dough with you, my
Speaker 6: damn sight.
Speaker 1: I'm'a take medivil on your ass.
Speaker 4: And what now between me and you?
Speaker 6: Oh that wasn't now?
Speaker 1: I tell you what now?
Speaker 4: Between me and you?
Speaker 1: There is no me in you?
Speaker 6: Oh not no more?
Speaker 4: So we call.
Speaker 1: Yeah we cool?
Speaker 6: Two things. Don't tell nobody about this. This ship is
Speaker 6: between me, you and mister soon to be living the
Speaker 6: rest of his short ass life and agonizing pain rapist.
Speaker 6: Yet it ain't nobody else's business. Two, you leave town
Speaker 6: tonight right now. And when you're gone, you stay gone,
Speaker 6: or you be gone. You lost all your l a
Speaker 6: privileges deal. Yeah, get your ass out of here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna get made, even on your ass. It's
Speaker 4: one of my favorite minds.
Speaker 2: Americans do love that on your ass kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Your ass is mine, you're you know, there's a lot,
Speaker 2: a lot of.
Speaker 4: Thoughts to put together there. So like he knows, he
Speaker 4: knows that that was that was the time. They're really
Speaker 4: good at that ship. Yeah, Mediev great, great line. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but this this is interthing I was thinking about yesterday.
Speaker 4: I think you're right. Bruce Bill Is probably is the
Speaker 4: most likely. But he still has a violent scene with
Speaker 4: a woman. Yeah, and every woman in this film is subjugated.
Speaker 4: She's a patsy to a violent man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even me, who seems empowered is still Yeah, and
Speaker 2: you never see her and while it's actually talking, and
Speaker 2: the only time you see it, I think them together,
Speaker 2: You see them together when he's on the phone there
Speaker 2: obviously in some kind of resort or their own home
Speaker 2: by the pool, but you know he's on the phone,
Speaker 2: Jesus there, so yeah, absolutely that I'm some think of
Speaker 2: the other women in the.
Speaker 1: In the movie.
Speaker 4: Bruce Will's part of that, the French. It's a character, Fabian, Fabian.
Speaker 4: It's beautiful character and a lovely dynamic. But and you know,
Speaker 4: at least he walked back his aggression, like he realizes,
Speaker 4: not it's not your fault. It didn't make it clear enough.
Speaker 4: And yeah, the whole Christopher walkins scene.
Speaker 2: As a as a history history in war buff What
Speaker 2: did you make of the the what story from Christopher
Speaker 2: wa Look?
Speaker 4: You know it was it was it was convenience to it.
Speaker 4: I don't know, it felt it felt a little gratuitous.
Speaker 2: The thing I remember watching it kind of go almost
Speaker 2: feeling the exactly the same thing, and I thought, why
Speaker 2: you know, but he pays off and you kind of go,
Speaker 2: you do need What is something that brings Bruce Willis
Speaker 2: back to the most dangerous place in the world for
Speaker 2: him right now.
Speaker 1: He needs that.
Speaker 2: It needs It probably can't even be I mean, it
Speaker 2: could be a large amount of money, I guess, but
Speaker 2: it's more fun and more humanizing, human humanizing that it's
Speaker 2: something that it's a family that's been passed from generation
Speaker 2: from generations and has gone through wars to be in
Speaker 2: his possession and he needs to protect that. Absolutely, I
Speaker 2: And it's probably this And in the end, it's you know,
Speaker 2: in the moment, you might be going, this just seems
Speaker 2: a bit weird and you know, but it's in the
Speaker 2: end it's well, ut least they've.
Speaker 1: Told it in an entertaining way.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah, And I must have been when when he
Speaker 4: has that meltdown with her, I was like disappointing another
Speaker 4: scene where but then as he walks it back and
Speaker 4: then even right to the end with her coming downstairs
Speaker 4: and her just being worried about the stuff, and he's
Speaker 4: just like, we just need to go. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: our lives are imperilled and you're worried about Yeah, but
Speaker 4: he's still.
Speaker 1: It's okay, it's okay, you know, yeah, even as the
Speaker 1: audience you are going.
Speaker 4: Please, it doesn't matter where it came from.
Speaker 2: But again that you mentioned that you mentioned the conversation
Speaker 2: I had earlier where it's it's it's just again it's
Speaker 2: a very humanizing conversation about she she wants to pop belly.
Speaker 2: And again you know, like the silences and the you know,
Speaker 2: the royale of cheese. This is another example, between these
Speaker 2: kind of horrific moments, these people are humans, living lives,
Speaker 2: having silly conversations. That'll be producers, no doubt, who would
Speaker 2: fight Tarantino, for example, on that do you need that scene?
Speaker 2: Can we shorten that scene? And the fact that he
Speaker 2: kind of commits to it too long, I'm not listen.
Speaker 2: I'm not somebody as much as I am concerned every
Speaker 2: Oscar season, every you know, every film that's for the
Speaker 2: best Oscar scenes to be two and a half three hours,
Speaker 2: And I kind of go, I want to see all
Speaker 2: these films, but this is going to take me a while. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's sits a right with me, Yeah, it's right with me.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think what you would lose. You'd lose
Speaker 2: some of those magical moments, I think, yeah, And I
Speaker 2: don't want to lose any of that tension of Bruce
Speaker 2: willis creeping back across those empty car yards to get
Speaker 2: through his house, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to keep those So I.
Speaker 4: Think there's a surprise. I think that because that last
Speaker 4: scene is so long. Yeah, that's where I started to go.
Speaker 4: And I was also a bit toy and gay, I
Speaker 4: have to go and see another Violet film. Quite soon.
Speaker 4: So so maybe it was that I started.
Speaker 1: Come on that was coming off Asteroid City and then
Speaker 1: kick this along.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 1: I really, I really like this film.
Speaker 2: I I understand why it's become And I think because
Speaker 2: I saw I was over in London when I first
Speaker 2: heard about at least spoke to somebody who had seen it.
Speaker 2: I didn't see it over there, but I think they
Speaker 2: maybe saw it at Kahn and they said it is amazing.
Speaker 2: And then you know, won the Pandi or over there,
Speaker 2: and I really liked Reservoir Dogs, so I was like
Speaker 2: really curious to see what he was going to make next.
Speaker 2: Reservoir Dogs is largely shot first Dogs. It's largely shot
Speaker 2: in the warehouses. There are some outdoor scenes, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it's you know, obviously it's it's a great lesson
Speaker 2: and you know, I've got I've got a million bucks. Yeah,
Speaker 2: how do I make this work? It's not a violent
Speaker 2: breakfast club. And then to see him have a bit more.
Speaker 2: I think this was shot for eight million dollar budget. Yeah,
Speaker 2: a little bit of that went to Bruce Willis, and
Speaker 2: the biggest expense they had was the creating the building,
Speaker 2: the jack Rabbit slims.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, which is great and such fun.
Speaker 2: Steve Ashimi is buddy hole, which I must say, I
Speaker 2: only doing a bit of deep diving.
Speaker 1: Did I realized that.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I looked at kind of headshots of casp before
Speaker 4: her Man, and I was expecting that the Garadal would
Speaker 4: do more of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great that this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what do you think of mister Wolf Harvey
Speaker 2: Cattel and he's his presence and he's.
Speaker 4: I really liked it. Yeah, I really liked the idea
Speaker 4: of instantly Samuel L. Jackson recognizes their imperiled. Yeah, you
Speaker 4: know that this mistake because most of the time there's
Speaker 4: a there were there appears to be a fearlessness about
Speaker 4: him and them, and then all of a sudden, because
Speaker 4: of that, he just went, Okay, we're in trouble hill,
Speaker 4: this is out our realm. We need we need some help.
Speaker 4: And it was it was actually really interesting thinking about that,
Speaker 4: going okay, it's about not telegraphing.
Speaker 1: What they do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the two guys in black suits, they could be
Speaker 4: in they could be funeral directors. But all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: blood all over the car, We're in trouble. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I liked it. I liked you know, I like the
Speaker 4: detail of mister Wolf. Times times not on our side,
Speaker 4: but I've got time for a down, find coffee, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I liked I liked it.
Speaker 2: There's another little bit where he has a sip of
Speaker 2: his coffee and he can gives him a nice little
Speaker 2: and this is nicely remember getting a laugh in the cinema.
Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, just yes, I was what I was waiting for,
Speaker 4: what the reaction of me, because their reaction was so
Speaker 4: big and it was I really liked it.
Speaker 1: It was just a.
Speaker 4: Eyebrows up, so grateful.
Speaker 2: You know, again, just to add a little bit of tension,
Speaker 2: you know, let's talk to me about respect and you know,
Speaker 2: and and and I think it's a great response for
Speaker 2: mister Wolf just to kind of go, I'm sorry if
Speaker 2: I'm not, but the time is of the essence, and yeah,
Speaker 2: we need to get moving.
Speaker 4: Also liked when he when he kind of went through
Speaker 4: this is what we're going to do. I kind of went, oh,
Speaker 4: I could have done that. They could have thought of
Speaker 4: this themselves, but it wasn't until you saw the car, Yeah,
Speaker 4: with the with the those blankets around, you go went, oh,
Speaker 4: this suddenly just transforms this into something utterly harmless like
Speaker 4: an old couple's car or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was the visual at the end of it. Ah, okay,
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got Tarantino in that scene as well, and
Speaker 2: he's he's passable as an actor. It's clearly like, yeah,
Speaker 2: the you know, the the worst performance in the you know,
Speaker 2: and like I said, it's not it's not terrible, but
Speaker 2: it'd be interesting to see if you had it had
Speaker 2: a been I.
Speaker 4: Think the jokes would have landed better with a comic actor.
Speaker 4: But yeah, he was better than I thought he would be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's dogs and I think he's more passable.
Speaker 4: Is that one of his longer cameos or yeah he did.
Speaker 2: He didn't austrain accident in I think they hateful late
Speaker 2: or Django unchained one of them and it was it
Speaker 2: was awful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was kind of awful. Yeah, he's just a
Speaker 1: bit thin with the acting. I don't know, he just
Speaker 1: doesn't you know, he's kind of fine, but you know,
Speaker 1: you put another actor in there, maybe.
Speaker 4: Performances around him. Yeah, that hold it together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely doesn't fall apart. Yeah, not at all. I've
Speaker 2: got some fun facts before we wrap it up. The
Speaker 2: character of Vincent Viga was originally going to be Vick Vega,
Speaker 2: which is a character from Reservoir Dogs played by Michael Madisden,
Speaker 2: and he decided to do wider instead with Kevin Costner,
Speaker 2: so they just kind of re tweaked it and made
Speaker 2: it a new character, Vincent Viga.
Speaker 1: The idea was that they were brothers.
Speaker 2: And Tarantina had an idea for later on to do
Speaker 2: a film with the call the Vager Brothers, which never eventuated.
Speaker 2: Made for eight million dollars, grossed over about two hundred
Speaker 2: and thirty million, which is very impressive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good day. Steve. Have we mentioned Steve
Speaker 1: his buddy Holly in the Jackrabbit Slims.
Speaker 2: It's just kind of ironic because mister Pink's a great
Speaker 2: bit of dialogue that opens Resturt Dogs, but mister Pink
Speaker 2: refuses a tip. There's not tip waiters, So an ironic came.
Speaker 2: He over there the word fuck, he says two hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty five times yep. One of the first films
Speaker 2: to use the Internet advertising seems like a long time ago.
Speaker 1: John Travolda.
Speaker 2: Is a non drug user and said to spoke to
Speaker 2: some recovering addicts about what it was like to be
Speaker 2: on Heroin. Is there something he could do to kind
Speaker 2: of experience something like it without actually doing Heroin? They
Speaker 2: suggested doing some shot of tequila in a warm bath
Speaker 2: or a hot bath.
Speaker 1: So he did that with his wife Kelly Preston to.
Speaker 4: Get the ideo of how to act. Yeah, not directly
Speaker 4: before the scene.
Speaker 1: Actually, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: Actually would have been interesting if if I assume he
Speaker 2: probably did it away because his wife Kelly Presson apparently
Speaker 2: also joined him. And you know, so, yeah, okay, anybody
Speaker 2: wants to know what it's maybe we can try that.
Speaker 2: Let us know how you go, don't you hear? But
Speaker 2: was originally gonna be played by Matt Dillon because he
Speaker 2: was going to be younger, and then Willis was pretty
Speaker 2: keen to play Vincent and was knock back because obviously
Speaker 2: a pretty hot.
Speaker 4: And Tarantino with a fading aging boxer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2: I love Matt Dylon, but I think I think you're right.
Speaker 2: Shortshank Redemption open on the same date. Wow, it's a
Speaker 2: good day for movies and both nominated for If it's Barbenheimer.
Speaker 4: What's the pulp Redemption?
Speaker 2: Yeah, pop sh sure, pup sure, pup shop pop. I
Speaker 2: think short pop works. Yeah, we discussed s prefiction, rolls
Speaker 2: off the tongue. Did you did you enjoy the whole Barbenheimer,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if you've seen either first seen Barbie.
Speaker 2: I've seen both, and I I love this kind of
Speaker 2: It felt like a celebration of movies and getting back
Speaker 2: into the cinema to see something that wasn't necessarily I know,
Speaker 2: I know Barbie's his ip for Mattel and all.
Speaker 1: That, but something that was a marvel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, two movies that were quite different, but
Speaker 2: the encouragement for people to go see them in cinemas,
Speaker 2: I know. I kind of felt like the way we
Speaker 2: can do this a bit more like, yeah, where we
Speaker 2: can have movies that aren't necessarily in competition with each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the studios can actually work together.
Speaker 2: I think studios do need to work together to try
Speaker 2: to get people back into the cinema.
Speaker 4: And I think it. I was reading a bit about
Speaker 4: that opening weekend and Barbie quite one everywhere. Both films
Speaker 4: gross incredibly, but interestingly the cinemas in Australia. Where Oppenheimer
Speaker 4: didn't was whether they're playing in seventy mil and I've
Speaker 4: just moved to Yarravil, just near the same cinema, which
Speaker 4: is where I saw Varby and so they were playing
Speaker 4: in seventy mil and the projectionist there has had the
Speaker 4: busiest busiest couple of weeks he's had in a decade.
Speaker 4: He's pulled the twelve hour days because they're doing three
Speaker 4: sessions of it and it's bringing it and he says
Speaker 4: it's about eighty eighty five percent male or the nerds
Speaker 4: coming out, because I've both heard like if Nolan says
Speaker 4: it has to be seen in seventy then I've got
Speaker 4: to see it. And then the blacks so much blacker
Speaker 4: and all that sort of stuff. So I kind of, yeah,
Speaker 4: I really like that it's this different ends of the
Speaker 4: film loving spectrum. And people tried, I know people who
Speaker 4: tried to pull both films in the one day, and yeah,
Speaker 4: I think I agree. I think it's good for film.
Speaker 4: Be great if it was to Australian.
Speaker 1: Films, But absolutely it is.
Speaker 2: It occurs to me that Ryan Gosling may get nominated
Speaker 2: for an Oscar for his role as Ken, which is
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not the only one saying it.
Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily sure it's going to happen. But there's
Speaker 1: a you know, I thought he was he's amazing in that.
Speaker 2: And but it does if he gets nominated for an
Speaker 2: Oscar Margo Robbie doesn't, it goes against the machine of
Speaker 2: the film completely. It is it is a war cry
Speaker 2: against the patriarchy. And if he gets nominated over Barbie, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, but.
Speaker 4: If he doesn't accept the award on a horse, he
Speaker 4: really Yeah. Interesting, I thought they were both great.
Speaker 1: They were great.
Speaker 4: I mean, he is just the most surprising. I think
Speaker 4: it's just a yes, it's a well, well both of them.
Speaker 4: It's a real balancing act to pull off.
Speaker 2: I kind of thought of I loved and I've spoken
Speaker 2: the guy Pierce about this, that he went back into
Speaker 2: the phonal EPI Seven Neighbors and appears that he's doing
Speaker 2: a little bit more but with so much commitment and
Speaker 2: gusto and enthusiasm for his old character of Mike, and
Speaker 2: you know, has every reason not to do it. And
Speaker 2: you know, other biggest stars, you know, probably there's not
Speaker 2: too many are the biggest stars than Guy Piers. But
Speaker 2: you know, Kylie's I think this went back did the
Speaker 2: minimum amount. That's not even having a go at Kylie
Speaker 2: for that amazing that she appeared in it, But my
Speaker 2: guy just went back into so much enthusiasm and lack
Speaker 2: of ego, and I kind of thought Ryan Gosling, like
Speaker 2: Oppenheim is happening at the same time, probably been filmed
Speaker 2: around the same time. At some point you would have
Speaker 2: realized they've been released at the same time, Like deep down,
Speaker 2: Ryan Goslin, there's probably a part of it is like
Speaker 2: would probably preferred maybe be Christopher Nolan film in Oplenheimer,
Speaker 2: but it's just attacked that role so much, lack of ego,
Speaker 2: lack of vanity, and this like smashed.
Speaker 4: It's beautiful nuance, it really is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's it was such a surprise.
Speaker 4: To remain likable even in that transition the two dimensional
Speaker 4: patriarchy're taking over. To remain likable through that was an
Speaker 4: incredible achievement.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and really admire Margo Robbie for the project she's
Speaker 2: getting off the ground and she is fantastic and has
Speaker 2: remained so down to worth. Yes, Mickey Rock also passed
Speaker 2: on Butcher because he was focusing on his own boxing
Speaker 2: career at the time, so he would have liked been
Speaker 2: that older style boxer and He later regretted that Daniel
Speaker 2: day Lewis was in talks to play Vincent. In fact,
Speaker 2: Roger Avery and I think Laurence Bender, the producer, wanted
Speaker 2: him to play Vincerbit Tarantino was hell bent on using
Speaker 2: John Travolda, and Jennifer Anderston narrowly missed out in the
Speaker 2: role as Miya, and Julia Louis Drayfer said no to
Speaker 2: the role of Miya on account to hearst Seinfeld commitments.
Speaker 4: There you go, there you go.
Speaker 1: You have an idea, Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: Amy Sherman nearly played Barbie. Yes, well, there was a
Speaker 4: previous script.
Speaker 1: Yes, I tried to get up a few times.
Speaker 4: I think it was the last kind of genuine effort.
Speaker 4: She didn't like where the script had gone, and because
Speaker 4: also and then had then the rights were relinquished and
Speaker 4: Robbie picked him up.
Speaker 2: Well another I'm not sure if it's the same project,
Speaker 2: but Diablo Cody, who wrote Juno Great Writers, she also
Speaker 2: walked away from it. I'm not sure how far she
Speaker 2: got into it, whether it was this in talks or
Speaker 2: a script that had been written. So this was a
Speaker 2: not an easy production to get off the ground, and
Speaker 2: Greta Girlwig. As soon as I heard Greta Gerwig was
Speaker 2: involved and they were bambosh, it was like, okay, well
Speaker 2: this is I'm seeing it because I'm fascinated to see
Speaker 2: what they do with it. And yeah, and even if
Speaker 2: it's just pissing off Sky News and Fox and got
Speaker 2: on all of them. But mate, this podcast comes with
Speaker 2: homework and you have nailed it. Let's talk about You
Speaker 2: mentioned news front earlier and I'm excited to know that
Speaker 2: you are going to be in season two of The Newsreader. Correct,
Speaker 2: that is one of the I have The Newsreader series
Speaker 2: one very high in the Australian TV productions. I Frontline,
Speaker 2: Blue Murder high level. With that, I've alwaysaid those are
Speaker 2: the best two things I've seen on the Strain TV.
Speaker 2: And The Newsreader was so bloody brilliant. Must be exciting
Speaker 2: to be involved in the second.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. It's going to play a recurring character
Speaker 4: in a much loved Austrain production. But my character is
Speaker 4: like it's he's entirely functional. But it was fun to
Speaker 4: play that day. I played the floor manager, so nearly
Speaker 4: everything I do is just clear out numbers or delivering
Speaker 4: a message to the desk from a phone call from
Speaker 4: upstairs from Bill mcinness's character or you know. So it's
Speaker 4: very perfunctory, but it was still fun playing around with
Speaker 4: that and playing the guy who's just doing a job
Speaker 4: in the middle of this he has no truck with
Speaker 4: the egos of the presenters, and being able to play
Speaker 4: that without any dialog to say it, but just you know,
Speaker 4: just by looks and you know, remaining calm. So I
Speaker 4: enjoyed it. Never Freeman, who directed, was a joy to
Speaker 4: work with.
Speaker 2: I've only heard amazing things about the experience people have
Speaker 2: on stage with Emma Friedman. I cannot wait to see
Speaker 2: season two of The News Real. If you everything season one,
Speaker 2: catch it. It's probably on iView Imagineers on the ABC.
Speaker 4: Look out for Frank Reeves.
Speaker 1: Frank Reeves is coming. He's coming. All the performances on
Speaker 1: that show brilliant.
Speaker 2: And you have an event coming up at the Comedy
Speaker 2: Republic for celebrating book week.
Speaker 1: Tell us about that.
Speaker 4: We're doing a bookwork gala. You and I fall into
Speaker 4: the category of dirty comedians sneaking in on a patch
Speaker 4: of actual children's authors. So I decided I'd create an
Speaker 4: event to celebrate that and Karen from Comedy Republic was delighted.
Speaker 4: So we've got a great lineup of comedy funny people.
Speaker 4: Claire Hooper is coming, Fronna Harris how from the Ski House,
Speaker 4: David Lawrence, Penny Tanky, a couple more to be announced,
Speaker 4: and Andy Griffiths is going to make an appearance on
Speaker 4: behalf of Few Authors.
Speaker 2: Second, if Andy, I mean, that's yeah, must if you
Speaker 2: need anyone else, to be honest, but exactly, Andy Griffiths
Speaker 2: is what well an icon.
Speaker 4: Well Interestingly, Andy and I met doing raw comedy and
Speaker 4: we've been friends ever since. Break back in the day
Speaker 4: we did a heat together and I ended up winning
Speaker 4: and winning, getting to the national final and blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: But Andy came to my school not long after that
Speaker 4: when I was teaching, and I booked him and when
Speaker 4: I saw him went oh, I didn't realize it was
Speaker 4: him on the day, and we're stayed friends ever since.
Speaker 4: He asked me to launch one of his books not
Speaker 4: long after that. Yeah, he comes to all the shows.
Speaker 4: He launched my book Weird School.
Speaker 1: Weird School available now well now.
Speaker 4: So he's great sports, so he's he's more than happy
Speaker 4: to come along and pretend We're going to make him
Speaker 4: comedian for a day Badge because he's always had these illusions.
Speaker 4: He's just given up on that. I would what if
Speaker 4: I'd become a comedian. You wouldn't mean it when you're
Speaker 4: as rich as you are now, is what I would
Speaker 4: tell you. So great?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really I must.
Speaker 2: I really hate it when children's authors, you know, getting
Speaker 2: the stand up comedy.
Speaker 1: I've had enough.
Speaker 4: I've had enough.
Speaker 1: I've had a goufall, to be honest. Yeah, back of.
Speaker 4: Is our chance. As we speak, there's some children's authors
Speaker 4: who are chaining themselves to microphones and try it nights,
Speaker 4: just trying to trying to get in our gear. So
Speaker 4: they'll be fun at Comedy Republic August twenty sixth, and
Speaker 4: then I'm going on national tour with my show Double Feature.
Speaker 1: After that Double Feature and that's around I mean when
Speaker 1: you to, you to you to a large.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is mainly regional VIC, regionally South, and then
Speaker 4: next year it'll move into Tassian all other capitals.
Speaker 2: Fantasy and like I said, the Paul Canley of comedy
Speaker 2: put them on a poster. And also you work with
Speaker 2: my poor Colesia, tell us about you the.
Speaker 4: Wine Bluffs one of our great side indulgences.
Speaker 1: It's been going on for years now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're coming up to February will be our ten
Speaker 4: year anniversary, so we're going to release Premiership Port. I
Speaker 4: think we're still going. We're doing doing a couple of
Speaker 4: shows in November, a long lead in Merchison and then
Speaker 4: we've got a couple of Barron Bay in January. So yeah,
Speaker 4: were still battle on, but we're not really plugging it now.
Speaker 4: We're just keeping there's a bit of a I don't
Speaker 4: know if you've noticed a bit of resurgence in wine comedy.
Speaker 4: Merck's out there doing The Idiot's Guide and Ethan Cavanaugh
Speaker 4: has got a show, so yeah, we're just keeping keeping
Speaker 4: them on us. We're the original hear that, guys, Yeah,
Speaker 4: Weather Grange of wine comedy shows. Your boys have just
Speaker 4: been one two nine.
Speaker 2: Damien callenman, it's always a pleasure to catch up, mate,
Speaker 2: And as I said earlier, you are the Paul Kelly
Speaker 2: of comedy, keep it up and if you get a chance,
Speaker 2: if Damien's coming through your town, your city, do you
Speaker 2: have a favor and grab a ticket, and particularly if
Speaker 2: you're in Melbourne during book week on that satellite that
Speaker 2: runs off bookquake. Get to the Comedy Republic for a wonderful,
Speaker 2: wonderful day celebrating books.
Speaker 1: Is that all ages?
Speaker 4: Is that? Yeah? I mean at middle ragers like to twelve.
Speaker 4: You know there'll be ribes and arms. Braying Mole will
Speaker 4: deal with them.
Speaker 1: Excellent.
Speaker 4: Now, I ain't giving it to him, Vincent. I'm buying
Speaker 4: something for my money.
Speaker 5: I want to know when I'm buying, Ringo, what your life?
Speaker 5: I'm giving you that money so I don't have to
Speaker 5: kill your ass.
Speaker 1: You read the Bible, Ringo?
Speaker 5: No, basically No, Well, there's this passage I got memorized
Speaker 5: Ezekiel twenty five seventeen. The path of the righteous man
Speaker 5: is beset on all sides by the inequities of the
Speaker 5: selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who,
Speaker 5: in the name of charity and good will, shepherd's the
Speaker 5: weak through the valley of darkness, For he is truly
Speaker 5: his brother's keeper and the Finder have lost to children.
Speaker 5: And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance
Speaker 5: and furious anger, those who attempt to poison and destroy
Speaker 5: my brothers.
Speaker 1: And you will know I am the.
Speaker 5: Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you. I've been
Speaker 5: saying that shit for years, and if you heard it,
Speaker 5: that meant your ass. I never gave much thought to
Speaker 5: what it meant. I just thought it was some cold
Speaker 5: bloody shit to say to a motherfucker before I popped.
Speaker 1: A cap in his ass.
Speaker 5: And I saw some shit this morning made me think twice.
Speaker 5: See now I'm thinking, maybe it means you're the evil man,
Speaker 5: and now I'm the righteous man, and mter nine millimeter
Speaker 5: here he's the shepherd protecting my righteous ass in the
Speaker 5: valley of darkness. Or it could mean you're the righteous
Speaker 5: man and I'm the shepherd and it's the world that's
Speaker 5: evil and selfish, and I like that.
Speaker 4: But that shit ain't the truth.
Speaker 1: The truth is.
Speaker 4: You're the week.
Speaker 5: And I am the tyranny of evil men. But I'm trying, Reno,
Speaker 5: I'm trying real hard.
Speaker 4: To be the shepherd.
Speaker 1: There we go.
Speaker 2: I felt pulp fiction was our white whale. We needed
Speaker 2: to find somebody who hadn't seen pulp fiction. I really
Speaker 2: enjoy watching it again. It's a movie I've seen a
Speaker 2: few times, like many of us have. It's also a
Speaker 2: movie that if it's on I'd tend to watch if
Speaker 2: not to the end, but certainly you know, up until
Speaker 2: the next kind of chapter point.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I really enjoyed that. That was really fun.
Speaker 1: That was really fun. Damien is great company.
Speaker 2: I've always you know, we don't bump into each other
Speaker 2: as much as we used to, but it's always very
Speaker 2: comfortable when we do.
Speaker 1: So thanks for doing your homemak, Damien.
Speaker 2: One thing what you mentioned that about pulp fiction is
Speaker 2: is probable often ask the title the title does refer
Speaker 2: to a soft, shapeless, massive matter, and that that kind
Speaker 2: of is what the movie kind of is what you
Speaker 2: think you're watching, this kind of shapeless thing. People talk
Speaker 2: about pulp fiction not having a structure, but the genius
Speaker 2: I think of pulp fiction is it reveals itself to
Speaker 2: have a beautiful structure that makes complete sense eventually.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: Another thing is that Vincent is often reading pulp fiction
Speaker 2: on the toilet because he's constipated because of the heroine.
Speaker 1: Great film. Great film. There's so much the deep dive
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 2: I'm sure we miss some stuff, but I hope we
Speaker 2: entertained you guys today, particularly pulp fiction fans, and if
Speaker 2: you're not a fan of though it's not for everyone.
Speaker 2: You know, Tarantina is not for everyone, but maybe if
Speaker 2: you hadn't enjoyed it, maybe we gave you some new insights.
Speaker 2: Also the suitcase glowing, there's a film called Kiss Me Deadly,
Speaker 2: which people think it's an old film which has a
Speaker 2: suitcase which glows.
Speaker 1: People in that film kind of react.
Speaker 2: They're almost mortified, as opposed to in pulp fiction where
Speaker 2: they're almost super impressed. Tarantino has said that despite seeing
Speaker 2: that film, it's not the tour not connected in any way.
Speaker 1: So thank you.
Speaker 2: Next week on the show, we haven't there's a few
Speaker 2: guests I'm talking to, so I haven't got an announcement
Speaker 2: for the next week. I'll put it on Twitter or
Speaker 2: Instagram PJ Hallier, and I'll let you know who the
Speaker 2: guest is and what movie will be covering. I should
Speaker 2: be able to hopefully confirm that before this even episode
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