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Speaker 1: We're identical triplets, but we often don't have identical opinions,

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Speaker 2: That is so fetched.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Hi guys, welcome back. We are actually recording

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Speaker 1: a little bit earlier because it is a long weekend

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Speaker 2: So if you're off to a wedding again, yes, I am.

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Speaker 1: As my nana said, it's very trendy at the moment

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Speaker 1: to get married. It was actually Daylight Savings as well,

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Speaker 2: But I feel like tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: for longer. Well, I'm just excited because I feel like

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Speaker 1: it means we can officially start celebrating Christmas. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: funny you say that, because I was just scrolling on

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Speaker 1: Facebook before that we started recording, and a friend of

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Speaker 1: he wrote, if you are ready for twenty twenty to

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Speaker 1: I actually like this sentiment because I'm all about decorating early.

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Speaker 1: I was so excited when I went into Target and

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Speaker 1: I like the whole thing of putting up a Christmas

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Speaker 1: she actually did say that she didn't care what people think,

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Speaker 1: and that she understands that people are going to have

439
00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,919
Speaker 1: a negative opinion of her because of what's happened. But

440
00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,359
Speaker 1: she actually said that the whole reason she went on

441
00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,119
Speaker 1: the show was so she could get control over her mind,

442
00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,159
Speaker 1: and it was really for herself and she's proud she

443
00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:07,560
Speaker 1: did it so good on her I don't think we

444
00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,200
Speaker 1: could get through the reality wrap without talking about Bachelor

445
00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,960
Speaker 1: runner up Bella. She was of course on Life Uncut

446
00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,760
Speaker 1: this week and Shameless, and she was very much pushing

447
00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,199
Speaker 1: to be next year's Bachelorette. Yeah, it kind of it

448
00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,920
Speaker 1: was weird to hear her on both of those podcasts.

449
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Speaker 1: I did listen to both, and they were pretty enjoyable

450
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Speaker 1: to listen to. It was kind of interesting because I

451
00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,160
Speaker 1: feel like Laura Burn's been trying to sort of play

452
00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,600
Speaker 1: down their friendship, but during the interview, it sounded like

453
00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,600
Speaker 1: they were actually really close friends. In fact, Laura even

454
00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:39,119
Speaker 1: said she called Bella after the finale ad we I mean,

455
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Speaker 1: I didn't actually get that vibe as much. I think

456
00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,199
Speaker 1: they were talking about how close they were in their

457
00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,080
Speaker 1: messaging constantly. Well, I just think because she's gone through

458
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Speaker 1: the same thing as her, it probably made them somewhat closer.

459
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I feel like Bella has a lot of powerful friends,

461
00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,960
Speaker 1: and it seems like she was using her powerful friends

462
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,919
Speaker 1: to kind of push the agenda that she should be

463
00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,880
Speaker 1: considered bachelorette. But that's what I found so mind blowing,

464
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,399
Speaker 1: because she was quite outspoken on the fact that she

465
00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,880
Speaker 1: was trolled online, which is horrendous.

466
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Speaker 2: It would be a very difficult process to go through.

467
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Speaker 1: But then I don't know why you would then want

468
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Speaker 1: to throw yourself in the spotlight again if you did

469
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,040
Speaker 1: go through such a horrendous time. I just feel during

470
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Speaker 1: both of those interviews, there was a lot of tiptoeing

471
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Speaker 1: around the motivations for Bella to go on the show,

472
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,760
Speaker 1: and I just feel like screaming she went on there

473
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Speaker 1: to increase her fame. Someone who wasn't afraid to speak

474
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Speaker 1: about her motivations was Megan Pasetto from the So Dramatic

475
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,760
Speaker 1: podcast and there was quite an interesting altercation between the

476
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Speaker 1: two of them on their social channels. So Megan posted

477
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Speaker 1: up the fact that Max Connectors, which is a huge

478
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Speaker 1: influencer agency, had announced that Bella would be joining their book.

479
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,000
Speaker 1: So the post said congrats to Bella who was just

480
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 1: signed with Australia's number one influencer agency.

481
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Speaker 2: Whoever said she.

482
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Speaker 1: Went on the show to boost her profile and social

483
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,320
Speaker 1: media presence must have been tripping, so it's made me

484
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,920
Speaker 1: laugh so much. So Bella really didn't hold back now

485
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,119
Speaker 1: that she can actually say what she thinks. She wrote,

486
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Speaker 1: I'm actually flattered that all you do is talk about me,

487
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,359
Speaker 1: Thanks for the free publicity. She then did quite a

488
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 1: passive aggressive face with love heart. So Meghan wrote back,

489
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,160
Speaker 1: my pleasure. I'm happy to be of service and help

490
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 1: you achieve your goals. Now this is when Bella must

491
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 1: have seen red. She wrote back, you mean you're happy

492
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,480
Speaker 1: to constantly bring someone down. You're lucky I'm strong minded

493
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 1: enough to look past the bullshit you've spread about me,

494
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 1: because it would really fuck with someone who had depression.

495
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 1: Everything you've attempted to spread has been completely inaccurate and

496
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 1: has zero truth through it. The only super spread it

497
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,879
Speaker 1: here is you Now that comes off the back of

498
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 1: her telling Life on Cut that she did date Cody Simpson.

499
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.

500
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Speaker 1: It was bizarre because all of the things that Meghan

501
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 1: Pissetto had said about Bella on her podcast were actually true.

502
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 2: She just clearly didn't like the tone. I thought she

503
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,119
Speaker 2: was really rude to Megan.

504
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 1: She then called her a clout chaser who and said

505
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 1: she rides off the back of New Bachelor seasons and

506
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 1: called her the laugh of the industry. Look, I do

507
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 1: think it was rude, But then again, on the flip side,

508
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 1: I can kind of see where they're coming from in

509
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 1: the point like you would actually be really pissed off

510
00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,200
Speaker 1: and you might just see red. And like I don't

511
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Speaker 1: think she should have acted, actually gone on a public

512
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,719
Speaker 1: platform and abused her at all. I think if you're

513
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Speaker 1: going to actually, if you have a problem with what

514
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 1: someone's doing, do it private. But I think that Meghan

515
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 1: had quite a good point. I mean, the Daily Telegraph

516
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 1: has written horrendous things about her. Why not have a

517
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,479
Speaker 1: goal at a big media organization like that as opposed

518
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 1: to an independent podcaster. I think people don't realize how

519
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,679
Speaker 1: small some of these independent people are in terms of

520
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 1: you know, they're doing it from their house, they're working

521
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,959
Speaker 1: really hard to get a podcast up, and then they

522
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: kind of just see them as these bigger than they are. Like,

523
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 1: as you said, why not go after the Daily Mail?

524
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 1: Why not go after the Telegraph? Well, I feel like

525
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:35,919
Speaker 1: if she'd says silent, it kind of would have been

526
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 1: a bit stronger and she would have looked above all.

527
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Speaker 2: Of the bullshit.

528
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 1: It is funny when you think about it, because Bella

529
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 1: would know that Meghan's not going to change her stance

530
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 1: on her thoughts on Bella. However, she can actually use

531
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: the Daily Mail and the Telegraph to her advantage, so

532
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be in her benefit to abuse a big

533
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 1: media organization like that. I don't think it's in her

534
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 1: benefit to abuse Megan, who's just if Bella is the Bachelor,

535
00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: can you imagine now how hard Megan is going to

536
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,439
Speaker 1: go at her? She would have just been better to

537
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: befriend her and say, hey, it was kind of funny

538
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: what you said. Yeah, being said, we're all not perfect.

539
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 1: You know, I would probably I get angry on people, right, Yeah,

540
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: that's what I meant, Like I could see how that

541
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: would push your buttons and you would just explode.

542
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Speaker 2: Hi, and welcome back to my shull.

543
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Speaker 1: Now let's get into my favorite segment, which is the

544
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Speaker 1: influencer rap, and we're going to start off with Tammy

545
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: Hembro's new boyfriend. So she has gone public on YouTube

546
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: with their boyfriend. He they've apparently been dating for a

547
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 1: year already, but she chose now to introduce him. So

548
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 1: he is an Australian surf iron man and a restaurant

549
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 1: her His name is Matt Pole.

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00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: Well, this video went out on the twenty fourth of

552
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 1: September and has already received over seven hundred and eighty

553
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: four thousand views, which is incredible.

554
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

555
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: I love the fact that they went totally old school

556
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: and didn't meet my boyfriend tag.

557
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very old school.

558
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: They seemed to be very besotted by each other. They

559
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,239
Speaker 1: were kind of all over each other and Tammy had

560
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,199
Speaker 1: her like really long claw fingernails all over him. They

561
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: seemed like there was a bit of chemistry going on,

562
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: and fans were quick to point out that he seemed

563
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: like Reese Hawkins's two point zero and I think that

564
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 1: was merely because he was white.

565
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 2: And had tattoos.

566
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Speaker 1: I think those are the only similarities we could kind

567
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 1: of see. He's definitely not as hot as Ree Hawkins.

568
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: I feel like Reese is definitely better looking, but I

569
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: could see some similarities.

570
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 2: As you said, they kind of have the.

571
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: Same build, same skin tone, and the sort of random tattoos.

572
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: His voice was kind of similar to Reese's as well.

573
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: I feel I'm more interested by the timing of this announcement.

574
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 1: It's been only two or three weeks since London and

575
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,199
Speaker 1: Reese announced that they were having a baby together, So

576
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Speaker 1: I think that Tammy would have reflected how she appears.

577
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: You know, she probably wants to show that she's happy,

578
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 1: She's moved on with their life, she doesn't need him.

579
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 2: She yeah, bothered.

580
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was good. Good on her, Like

581
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: it would be really hard. You wouldn't want to be

582
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: cast as the sad, lonely ex with her boyfriend moving

583
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: on now. So this one, it's a little bit cheeky.

584
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 1: But there is an Instagram couple that has caught my

585
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,719
Speaker 1: attention because they have unfollowed each other, then re followed

586
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: each other, and then of course been making huge public

587
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 1: displays of affection. This is of course YouTube and Madison

588
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: Moolly and Jonathan Sower, And I feel like Jonathan Sower

589
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: was on my radar last week after we did the

590
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: podcast on Shiny Grimmin because I had been going back

591
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: enjoying their cute little videos together when they first started

592
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 1: going out.

593
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Speaker 2: You're shipping them? What you're shipping?

594
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 3: What do you mean?

595
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 2: What does that mean?

596
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 1: You know, when there's two people used to ship like

597
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: Harry and Taylor Swift, like you ship a romance. Oh,

598
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm too old to know that. Okay,

599
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 1: I'll have to start using it. So I watched it,

600
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: and I noticed how more romantic their photos, where every

601
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 1: photo of them was there making out, and I was like,

602
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: I was thinking to myself, I'm like, Jonathan and Madison

603
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 1: don't really.

604
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 2: Post like that.

605
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: You know, Madison's whole feed is just selfie of her. Well,

606
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: she's got to get the colors and tones right. So

607
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: I was thinking to myself and like, God, they haven't

608
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 1: really seemed to post for a while. And she of

609
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: course had a big secret photo shoot and a lot

610
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: of her friends were making a big deal about it,

611
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: congratulating her on social media, and I noticed that Jonathan

612
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: remained absent from that conversation, and I had a look

613
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: and noticed that she was no longer following him. Yeah,

614
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: and there was a string of photos that had been unliked,

615
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: which is usually a telltale sign that something has gone wrong.

616
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Speaker 1: And it's not the first time this has happened, is it. Well.

617
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Speaker 1: They actually addressed it in a YouTube video book Bunk,

618
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: which they seem to be their favorite videos to make,

619
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: and Madison said that she went out for a night

620
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 1: on the town, Jonathan hadn't got back to her, so

621
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: she decided to delete him. I think there were a

622
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: few details that were missing from that. It's funny because

623
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: it just reminds me of being that age, Like we

624
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 1: didn't actually have Instagram when we were twenty two. But

625
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: I feel like it's just that immature thing that you

626
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 1: do when someone pisces you off that you unfollow them.

627
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: And then I suppose when you've got eagle eyed people

628
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: like ourselves looking at your social media and spot these things,

629
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: it makes something that's probably a minor argument into a

630
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: bigger deal. To be honest, I love the drama this week,

631
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: and I've been loving watching them get back together. They're

632
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: romantic evenings, them calling each other mum and dad. It's

633
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: been classic to what I actually predict. They'll put a

634
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: video out with each other in it, because that seems

635
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 1: to be the usual pattern. They unfollow each other, they

636
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: go mia on each other's channels, and then suddenly there's

637
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: an influx of posts about themselves posts. Yeah. I just

638
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: think let's just be real with it. Everyone fights with

639
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: their partners. You know, it was good that they did

640
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: address it in that other video. Let's hope they address

641
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: it again because I'd love to have known what went

642
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 1: down what I read?

643
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: Huh.

644
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: Over the weekend, Divisive mummy blogger Sophie Kasha was caught

645
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: out on Instagram flouting Victoria's lockdown restrictions for the third

646
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: time in the space of a month. Frustrated Victorians blew

647
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: up her comment section, questioning why she believes she is

648
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: above the rules. Sophie, can you tell us what happened

649
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 1: this weekend? Well, on Saturday, it's a let that Sophie

650
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: actually traveled into regional Victoria to spend the day with

651
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: a friend. Now the friend isn't an influencer, but people

652
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: have been monitoring her page because she appeared on a

653
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 1: podcast recently with Sophie the friend took to Instagram to

654
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: share a story about spending the day in the sunshine

655
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: because it was very hot over the weekend. Now I've

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Speaker 1: hear that eagle eyed fans or followers, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if they're actually fans, have spotted controls have spotted the

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Speaker 1: reflection of Sophie in this friend sight. That's right, and

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Speaker 1: they have matched it up with the fact that the

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Speaker 1: reflection was a woman with a black bikini top, and

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Speaker 1: then went to compare it to Sophie's instat story, which

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Speaker 1: also showed her wearing a black bikini top. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: end there, though, Sophie's voice was also audible in the background.

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Speaker 1: Now I've had a look and it's fairly obvious that

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Speaker 1: Sophie was there, so she has flouted the restrictions of

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Speaker 1: staying within the five kilometer radius of her house. Celeb's

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Speaker 1: Spelcheck were hot onto this. They screened mirror the inst

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Speaker 1: story before it got taken down, so if anyone wants

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Speaker 1: to check it out, you can go and have a

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Speaker 1: look at on there. Wow, so who actually took it down?

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Speaker 1: Was it Sophie or her friend?

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Speaker 2: The friend took it down?

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Speaker 1: Oh well, doesn't I just say guilty allways, exactly exactly,

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Speaker 1: And what reeks of guilt even more is the fact

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Speaker 1: that so many people were commenting on under Sophie's photo

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Speaker 1: saying this is disgusting. Why do you think you're above

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Speaker 1: everyone basically demanding answers from her, and she has deleted

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Speaker 1: every single one of those, so she's clearly trying to

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Speaker 1: control the narrative around this lockdown situation. Well, this isn't

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Speaker 1: the first time Sophie's been accused of flouting the rules.

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Speaker 1: During the Stage four lockdown in Melbourne, she actually celebrated

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Speaker 1: her thirtieth birthday and it didn't seem like she only

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Speaker 1: celebrated with her household, did it?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: And I will never understand this. If you're breaking the rules,

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Speaker 1: just stay off Instagram?

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Speaker 2: Is it that difficult?

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Speaker 1: So she brot up an Insta story and showed this

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Speaker 1: table bursting with food and all these different hands reaching

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Speaker 1: in having a meal, and she muted the clip so

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Speaker 1: that clearly the voices weren't audible in the background. So

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Speaker 1: she went to the extent to do that. But it's

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Speaker 1: just like, just don't post it. Yeah, Well, she was

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Speaker 1: supposed to be celebrating in Las Vegas, for a thirtieth

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Speaker 1: which and really imagine that would be really shit having

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Speaker 1: to stay at home instead. I can sympathize with it,

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Speaker 1: but at the same time, if everyone else is doing it,

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Speaker 1: it just angers people even more who are missing out

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Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 2: Oh, exactly right.

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Speaker 1: And what I found quite interesting was that she showed

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Speaker 1: a video of herself putting kind of like a media

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Speaker 1: wall up at her own house with little logos about

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Speaker 1: it being in a Vaguas celebration.

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Speaker 2: Now would you really.

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Speaker 1: Do this if it was only you and your kids

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Speaker 1: and immediate family at the house, So you wouldn't. And

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Speaker 1: now for those who aren't in Victoria at the moment,

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Speaker 1: and cross all of the restrictions in place in regards

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Speaker 1: to Stage four lockdown. No visitors were allowed to go

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Speaker 1: into another person's house unless it's for the purpose of

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Speaker 1: giving or receiving some care. So clearly she broke these

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Speaker 1: rules having people over for dinner, and it doesn't stop there.

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Speaker 1: Some people have pointed out that it appears that Sophie

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Speaker 1: has got feelers.

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Speaker 2: In her lips during the lockdown.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, she posted up this instant story of herself

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Speaker 1: with her lips quite poudy, which I didn't understand the

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Speaker 1: picture myself. Now, she wrote, if one more knob writes

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Speaker 1: me saying lipphil is in lockdown.

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Speaker 2: Interesting.

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Speaker 1: Then she went on to say, if Coal's or Woolies

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Speaker 1: or seven to eleven are handing out liphillis, then sign

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Speaker 1: me up.

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Speaker 2: Baby.

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Speaker 1: Guys, sometimes you question my integrity when I think you

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Speaker 1: really need to reflect on your basic common sense. This

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Speaker 1: angered a lot of people, the fact that she was

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Speaker 1: bringing up integrity when she has so blatantly flouted the rules.

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Speaker 1: It just it just makes no sense to me. I mean,

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Speaker 1: obviously it's absolutely crap that someone like this is flouting

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Speaker 1: the rules. But as you said, why put all of

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Speaker 1: this on social media? Not only does it make yourself

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Speaker 1: look bad, but it also incites other people to not

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Speaker 1: take the rules seriously and copy her bad behavior.

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Speaker 2: Why did you leave school, Michaud? That just can be

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Speaker 2: fucked and I wanted to do YouTube? Really you're about

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Speaker 2: school because on.

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Speaker 1: YouTube, well, like I knew I wasn't going to need

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Speaker 1: school for something. I think that's all we have time

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Speaker 1: for is today. Thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry that Amy went a little bit m i

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Speaker 1: A in this episode. She had to leave and we

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Speaker 1: thought it was simpler just to move on. We wanted

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Speaker 1: to get the podcast out at a reasonable time.

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Speaker 2: We didn't want to be a day late. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: sorry for those that wanted to hear Amy's opinion on it.

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Speaker 2: She did have a little bit of a cameo in

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Speaker 2: the first strip.

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Speaker 1: Now, I'm super excited to hear everyone's thoughts about Christmas

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Speaker 1: decorations and the price you should spend on a Christmas tree.

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