Speaker 1: Flex and fruits on Kaida.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the podcast. Qts, q TETs, curlies, skulls.
Speaker 3: What'd you said before pigged pig? It don't but it's good. No,
Speaker 3: it was a it was a miss a misspoke.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we are a lot of those in the show.
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm nagging us. It's not a good vibe, is it. No,
Speaker 2: it's the year of positivity. What is the what's the
Speaker 2: animal this year?
Speaker 1: Do check?
Speaker 2: I think it's a rat. Anyone know in the room?
Speaker 2: I'm checking five brains in this room. Twenty twenty two
Speaker 2: year of tiger. Oh, I feel like that doesn't mean much.
Speaker 2: Press about that. That's an exciting year, AnyWho.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 4: All right, so today we're going to be talking about
Speaker 4: what marketing has taught me about dating apps.
Speaker 3: We talked about it.
Speaker 4: A little bit like a tinty dunty dunty bit on Instagram,
Speaker 4: and it wasn't enough.
Speaker 3: It wasn't enough at all. But basically we all.
Speaker 4: Know that dating apps are there for profits, not love.
Speaker 3: That is very true. And we also know that they
Speaker 3: are tech apps.
Speaker 4: Like they are, they meant to function with algorithms. They
Speaker 4: look at your behavior and everything is done with a
Speaker 4: little robot, and the point is you need a plan
Speaker 4: and a strategy. I feel like most people are too
Speaker 4: insecure to use dating apps properly, and that is working
Speaker 4: to their detriment.
Speaker 2: Being a bit silly in the wrong ways.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because be silly, be aloof.
Speaker 4: But I think that, like we discussed later on the podcast,
Speaker 4: a lot of people are really embarrassed about wanting to
Speaker 4: be in love.
Speaker 3: However, the way you.
Speaker 4: Want to spin it, there's this general shame around love
Speaker 4: relationships and the acquisition.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the acquisition bits the hard meat, because people want
Speaker 2: to get to admit that they are lonely, decrepit.
Speaker 3: Yes, undesirable, honestly general pigs.
Speaker 4: And also with the way people have been socialized to
Speaker 4: view romance, it's meant to come to you, it's meant
Speaker 4: to find you, and it's meant to scoop you up
Speaker 4: and change your life and requires no effort from you.
Speaker 4: Just be yourself a little shop. And that's just not true.
Speaker 4: And I think people know that to a point, but
Speaker 4: they also want it to be them. Yes, so they're like,
Speaker 4: but I'm different, I'm special. Somebody will pick me if
Speaker 4: I just PLoP myself on this app, give it the
Speaker 4: most basic, bare minimum beage profile I can do, and
Speaker 4: hope somebody sees through the nothingness to find my true self,
Speaker 4: my twenty four facet diamond heart.
Speaker 3: And it's not going to happen.
Speaker 2: Let's figure out how to then bring that heartch to
Speaker 2: the forefront, shine it, put it into a ring, and
Speaker 2: eventually put it onto your finger. Let's cut to it.
Speaker 2: Abolish marriage.
Speaker 1: This is flex and frooms.
Speaker 4: I am a marketer. I don't know if you know
Speaker 4: that about me, but it's one of my trades, one
Speaker 4: of my skills, and I often like to see the
Speaker 4: world through the lens of marketing because we live in
Speaker 4: a consumer culture anyway, So I'm sure it all adds
Speaker 4: up when you really dissect it. The other day, I
Speaker 4: was talking to my best friend Sally, and we were
Speaker 4: reviewing each other's dating app profiles, and I looked at
Speaker 4: hers and she had beautiful pictures, no bio, very little
Speaker 4: information about her, didn't answer any prompts, bear hot and bear,
Speaker 4: to which I said, you look like a bot, to
Speaker 4: which she said, I'm giving mysterious and I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: I guess that's true. And they went to my profile,
Speaker 4: which is like a lot all filled out a lot
Speaker 4: of information, some would say polarizing if anything.
Speaker 3: But as we were discussing, I was like, I have.
Speaker 4: A theory about why I use my dating app the
Speaker 4: way I do and why other people use.
Speaker 3: Theirs the way they do.
Speaker 4: And so the analogy I gave is that people set
Speaker 4: their dating profiles up in the most basic way possible
Speaker 4: to get the attention of the largest group of people,
Speaker 4: Like I want to be attractive to everyone, but it's
Speaker 4: a setup because you aren't attractive to everyone, and when
Speaker 4: they get to know the real you, when they start
Speaker 4: that conversation, they'll quickly find that out. Then you have
Speaker 4: a lot more negative experiences with the profile. It puts
Speaker 4: you off, It makes you more desperate, You start reaching
Speaker 4: out to more people, start paying for services, start getting
Speaker 4: real feral and frantic about how you want to use
Speaker 4: the platform because you're not getting the result you want
Speaker 4: and you're thinking it must be me. My approach is
Speaker 4: to have a really detailed and specific profile that isn't
Speaker 4: attractive to all people, because, for a fact, when somebody
Speaker 4: who really likes the things I like sees me, they'll
Speaker 4: also like me. The analogy I gave. Sorry, I was
Speaker 4: talking about like just a simple beige handbag. I was like, yes,
Speaker 4: in theory, most people who wear handbags might like a
Speaker 4: simple beige handbag. It's been made for the most mainstream population.
Speaker 4: It's generic, it's to be accessible. But the issue is
Speaker 4: making something generic and accessible is that everyone probably has
Speaker 4: one or just doesn't really want yours bad enough to
Speaker 4: go and buy it. So, yes, it looks good, Yes
Speaker 4: it's not offensive. Yes, like I'm sure I could imagine
Speaker 4: somebody might want it, but I don't really want it. Now,
Speaker 4: you take that beige handbag and you make it exciting.
Speaker 4: You put a puffy key chain on it, you make
Speaker 4: the strap a chain, you put a big Schanell logo
Speaker 4: on it, and suddenly the people who like those specific
Speaker 4: things think, this beige bag is so much more than
Speaker 4: just a beige bag. It's a Chanell bag. Look at
Speaker 4: that logo. Oh, but it's like a nighttime bag. It's
Speaker 4: got a cool strap.
Speaker 2: But she's a bit quirky with a fluffy little which
Speaker 2: is from Valencialga.
Speaker 3: So it's cost this is exactly dollars.
Speaker 4: So suddenly adding this bit of interest or flare means
Speaker 4: that the person who really resonates with that interest or
Speaker 4: flare wants that bag so much more than when it
Speaker 4: was just generic and boring and plain. And so we
Speaker 4: spoke last week about the fact that I did the
Speaker 4: social experience of putting high maintenance in my profile, to
Speaker 4: which you said something.
Speaker 3: Like I thought it was.
Speaker 2: Like. My idea was the term high maintenance came about
Speaker 2: in the early two thousands, and it was weaponized. A
Speaker 2: bit heavy to say that word, but it was essentially
Speaker 2: weaponized against women who liked material things. So therefore, you
Speaker 2: putting it on your profile is reclaiming it and being
Speaker 2: almost ironic.
Speaker 4: To which you disagreed. Yeah, I was like, not being
Speaker 4: ironic at all. I'm actually being quite legitimate because I
Speaker 4: think that anyway somebody takes that is close enough to
Speaker 4: how I want to be represented. So yeah, So the
Speaker 4: theory putting high maintenance in the profile was that I
Speaker 4: don't want to give the impression that I'm not high maintenance.
Speaker 4: Like I think that with the way that I present,
Speaker 4: wearing colorful clothes, smiling all the time, it can give
Speaker 4: the impression like she's just a chill, fun, loose unit,
Speaker 4: which can be true. But I think that's all I'm
Speaker 4: projecting usually sometimes where I need to add some light
Speaker 4: and shade, and I actually am high maintenance, Like I
Speaker 4: think people should know that about me before they like,
Speaker 4: you know, try and orbit, try and enter my orbit
Speaker 4: and are surprised when I'm like asking for them to
Speaker 4: like speak and share their thoughts. And I'm like, so
Speaker 4: what do you mean by that? In seeing where what's
Speaker 4: the date that we're going on? And like I'm not
Speaker 4: only my house to like sit in a room with you.
Speaker 4: What's what's happening here? So what you prefer to do
Speaker 4: an activity?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: I just mean that, Like I feel like a lot
Speaker 4: of like dating can be a bit like ho hum,
Speaker 4: let's just like you know, we should hang out, like
Speaker 4: I have friends for that, Like do you want to
Speaker 4: go on a date? Like are you is this an
Speaker 4: intentional thing or just like wasting time with a pretty
Speaker 4: girl because you can do that anywhere?
Speaker 2: Interesting?
Speaker 3: Because I like that approach.
Speaker 2: I just I'm not sure if our collective understanding is there,
Speaker 2: Like I think we're still in a phase with online
Speaker 2: dating where people are nervous about it and they think, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't want to seem too keen. In the early
Speaker 2: stages because we still have this stigma about it. Everybody
Speaker 2: does it, but still it's weird stigma. You want to
Speaker 2: play it cool. I also think you're in an interesting
Speaker 2: position because people can get heaps of context for you.
Speaker 2: The way you present online is still like quite a
Speaker 2: close approximation to who you are in your life. So
Speaker 2: then if they're really interested from the get go, you
Speaker 2: don't know how much information they can gain off you.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I want to talk more about specific things
Speaker 2: that you write in your profile because I know that's
Speaker 2: not necessarily relatable to every single person. Yeah, being very
Speaker 2: specific on the profile. I think that still scares people
Speaker 2: because I think it's really hard to accept that you
Speaker 2: would be attracting just a certain person. I also think
Speaker 2: because some people don't really feel very confident in themselves.
Speaker 2: So therefore I find this thing sometimes if you don't
Speaker 2: feel confident in yourself, you're not attracted to the people
Speaker 2: that are attracted to you, because you think, oh, there's
Speaker 2: no way you're how can you say anything that's good
Speaker 2: about may there must be something wrong about you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So I think maybe that's why people try and keep
Speaker 2: it as wide as possible.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's totally justifiable, but it also is
Speaker 4: like it's not the point, right, Like, if you were
Speaker 4: so ambiguous a nonchalant about dating, you wouldn't be on
Speaker 4: a dating app. Like, there's clearly something you want, something
Speaker 4: you're looking for, somebody you're trying to attract, and so
Speaker 4: acting nonchalant in the space is like so dumb because.
Speaker 3: You're already here. We're all here, right.
Speaker 4: It's what I was talking to Sally about where I
Speaker 4: was like you she said like, oh my, gonna hate
Speaker 4: when people don't. She's like, I don't have any prompts
Speaker 4: because it's mysterious and it gives people an opportunity to
Speaker 4: delve further. But she also hates when people don't have
Speaker 4: prompts because she's like, well, what am I meant to
Speaker 4: do here? Your strategy completely contradicts the thing that you're
Speaker 4: looking for. And I think a lot of people do
Speaker 4: that with their apps, right, Like this idea of I
Speaker 4: want to create a profile that is as attractive to
Speaker 4: as many people as possible. Then you are seen as
Speaker 4: attractive and there's all these wilderbeasts in your life. You're like,
Speaker 4: who are these people who think they have a chance
Speaker 4: And It's like you gave them that impression looking real, plain, real, accessible,
Speaker 4: real exciting for the average person to hook their teeth into.
Speaker 3: That's what you did.
Speaker 4: And when you're like, oh my god, the conversation so dry,
Speaker 4: of course it is misbeare profile. Of course it is.
Speaker 3: Mister. I want someone who likes adventures. When was your
Speaker 3: last adventures?
Speaker 2: I want to go life with someone. I was watching
Speaker 2: your dms when you talked about this on Instagram, and
Speaker 2: I saw a technique which I have used in the
Speaker 2: pastorm on the dating app, which I really appreciate it
Speaker 2: when I see it in someone that I'm looking for,
Speaker 2: is throwing in the rogue meme. Yes, I would recommend
Speaker 2: to anybody who's maybe not getting the right matches or
Speaker 2: attracting these people that they deem basic in their rubrics
Speaker 2: of basicness is find the most fucked meme that is
Speaker 2: the most fucked little.
Speaker 4: Like sucked in like the hyper specific to you way, yes,
Speaker 4: the meaning like god, this is so me.
Speaker 2: For example, my favorite meme of all time that's just
Speaker 2: like an image is I put a sugar cube in
Speaker 2: my asshole so ants crawl up there and bite the inchibit.
Speaker 2: It's like this is warped, like very visual. You'll give
Speaker 2: it to us one day. It's the best media of
Speaker 2: all time. I'll put that on a dating profile. That's
Speaker 2: going to cut out eighty percent of people. They thinking
Speaker 2: that's weird. People don't like pooh humor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you do, and that's what matters people.
Speaker 4: I think people set up their dating apps for consumption,
Speaker 4: Like I want to set up a profile that is
Speaker 4: entertaining for other people so when they look at me
Speaker 4: they like what they see all in all forgetting what
Speaker 4: they want, Like what do you want?
Speaker 3: You want people who are going to get your humor?
Speaker 4: Who are going to know that, Like, yes, you can
Speaker 4: look pretty at a wedding in your little suit, but
Speaker 4: like you don't wear suits ninety nine point nine percent
Speaker 4: of the time. You wear little havanas ex lord and
Speaker 4: a rip.
Speaker 2: Curlty shirt from around twenty twelve.
Speaker 3: That's you, kid.
Speaker 4: And so when you've worn the ones you have for
Speaker 4: what's time you went to a wedding, don't set yourself up.
Speaker 1: It's not you.
Speaker 4: Also, people being really vague about their jobs, like we're
Speaker 4: gonna find out.
Speaker 3: Put something in there.
Speaker 4: Really put the location of where you work, but don't
Speaker 4: say like I don't want to give out too much information.
Speaker 4: It's like, there's a way to give context without like
Speaker 4: blowing your whole load and being like.
Speaker 5: This is where you can find me foul from you.
Speaker 5: I don't like it when you do that liking. Oh,
Speaker 5: I guess that is I liked you know, blow me
Speaker 5: being infested by dating absolutely on the brain.
Speaker 4: There's a way to give context without like, you know,
Speaker 4: giving away your whole identity. And I think this whole ambiguous.
Speaker 4: I want to be mysterious. I don't want to look desperate.
Speaker 3: I don't want to you look already look like all
Speaker 3: of those things anyway. So just like if.
Speaker 4: You're going to be on the best way I can
Speaker 4: explain it is this ambiguity is keeping you on the
Speaker 4: apps for way longer, have a specific profile, meet someone cute,
Speaker 4: delete the app for six months, you think you're in love.
Speaker 3: Then get back on when you realize they're a bush pig.
Speaker 3: That's romance.
Speaker 2: Well, I can't wait to try and find your profile.
Speaker 3: FLEXI will match.
Speaker 1: You're listening to Flex and frooms on hate some one.
Speaker 2: I'm so good. I hope everybody else is doing good
Speaker 2: as well. Something that a lot of women that are influential.
Speaker 2: Wealthy in Sydney have all started doing is selling their
Speaker 2: secondhand clothes?
Speaker 3: Yes, and for some economy good thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well I want to talk about with it
Speaker 2: not it's a good thing. Because I've seen multiple articles.
Speaker 2: This seems to be obviously getting clicks because a lot
Speaker 2: of Australian news sites are writing about it. Lucy Many,
Speaker 2: who is the Sydney I reporter for Sydney Morning Herald
Speaker 2: so kind of like gos Girly, wrote a big piece
Speaker 2: recently and basically it name drops a few people. So
Speaker 2: there's a hell song heiress called Laura Toggs who's selling
Speaker 2: her clothes on Deepop, which I just for some reason
Speaker 2: think that's so such a weird coupling of two things.
Speaker 2: And essentially this article is saying that it gives you
Speaker 2: a peek into the life of a Christian preacher and
Speaker 2: glamorous mum of three, not to mention an owner of
Speaker 2: a very enviable wardrobe.
Speaker 3: So a stretch.
Speaker 4: But see, I don't know if they're stretching it or not,
Speaker 4: but I like, if you posted your deep hoop, do
Speaker 4: I get a peek into your the life of her
Speaker 4: agnostic potentially atheist, not Swedish blonde. I feel like we're
Speaker 4: just putting things together seeing what sticks well.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about this because I have a
Speaker 2: deep pop and I've tried to have sold clothes once before.
Speaker 2: It is not worth the efforts. Yah, it's a lot
Speaker 2: of effort, and it's I don't know why they do
Speaker 2: it because if I higher price point items true. But
Speaker 2: think about it this way. Let's say I am a
Speaker 2: what's it called, like a salty person who has it
Speaker 2: out against the world, isn't doing very well, very envious
Speaker 2: of rich people and very angry at people who inherited money.
Speaker 2: So I see these women selling their clothes on deepop,
Speaker 2: I decide to buy them and then tear them up
Speaker 2: and then dox them on Instagram being.
Speaker 3: Like, oh Laura talk, so has that happened.
Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying like, don't too much.
Speaker 3: Not too much.
Speaker 2: You're creative with that, but you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: that's that's why I don't. I've got so much stuff
Speaker 2: that I want to sell you.
Speaker 4: You don't sell your clothes because the old occasions might
Speaker 4: buy your clothes, cut them up and post that you
Speaker 4: sold them torn rags.
Speaker 6: People.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be liable. I don't want to
Speaker 2: have to have a conversation with someone I sell them
Speaker 2: something it's not what they wanted. I don't want to
Speaker 2: deal with it.
Speaker 4: Back and forthtellers or you think e commerce is I
Speaker 4: get what you're saying, because selling there's a bit of
Speaker 4: a stigma around the secondhand economy anyway. I think that
Speaker 4: some things are deemed to be more appropriate to give away,
Speaker 4: like a couch or a speaker. Clothes get into a
Speaker 4: bit of a slippery slope, I think because of the
Speaker 4: nature of how people get those clothes. I know there's
Speaker 4: a lot of back and forth conversation about how a
Speaker 4: lot of these influencers are getting these clothes for free
Speaker 4: or as payment for work, or they're buying them and
Speaker 4: then putting them down as like what's the word, I'm
Speaker 4: looking for tax deductions, they're lowering the taxable expenses. They're
Speaker 4: getting double paid, like I bought them for work, but
Speaker 4: now I'm selling them to you via deepop So I
Speaker 4: know there's that angle of it. I also think that
Speaker 4: people associate selling things as kind of like a you're
Speaker 4: shaped for cash and it's really sad as opposed to
Speaker 4: the reality is.
Speaker 3: These people are over consuming. They have too much stuff.
Speaker 4: Probably feels like it's too high a value to just
Speaker 4: you take it to a local venez or a salvo,
Speaker 4: so they want to recoup some of their money back.
Speaker 3: I think it's fine. I think if you're running it
Speaker 3: like a.
Speaker 4: Business where you are making sure the closes are in
Speaker 4: good condition, the photographs look great, you're managing and shipping
Speaker 4: things out on time, it's totally fine. And I think
Speaker 4: the more people who who are deemed to be influential,
Speaker 4: the more they do it, the better.
Speaker 3: It's going to be.
Speaker 4: Like the perception of buying things secondhand needs to improve anyway,
Speaker 4: so let people sell things interesting.
Speaker 1: This is flex and frooms on Keda.
Speaker 3: We're talking about.
Speaker 2: Nudes, nice about nudes, and that is specifically in the
Speaker 2: context of a segment called am I the Asshole?
Speaker 3: Very good, Very juicy.
Speaker 4: Basically, we troll this Reddit thread where people share their
Speaker 4: moral dilemmas in which they seem like they might be
Speaker 4: a bit of an asshole, but they aren't sure, and
Speaker 4: then we decide for them.
Speaker 2: Let's get right into this because it's juicy and relatively hefty.
Speaker 2: The title is am I the Asshole? For posting our relatives. Now,
Speaker 2: dudes in the family group chat, here we go, Kyle
Speaker 2: is a distant relative. Well, he's actually my stepdad's cousin's kid.
Speaker 2: I'm already lost. I've never really been around him even
Speaker 2: lated at that point stepdad dad cousin's kid. That's a
Speaker 2: stranger relative, he says. Let's see, we hadn't seen each
Speaker 2: other for a while, but we did at a wedding
Speaker 2: a few months ago. He got drunk and kept hitting
Speaker 2: on me, saying how hot I was and how he'd
Speaker 2: loved to get to know me better. I rolled my
Speaker 2: eyes to try and get away from him. Later on,
Speaker 2: someone gave him my number and he kept messaging me.
Speaker 2: I complained to my stepdad, who shrugged it off. Some
Speaker 2: people even thought it was cute or funny, which just
Speaker 2: encouraged him. A few days later, he started sexting me nudes.
Speaker 2: What's worse was people who were at the wedding would
Speaker 2: tease me like it was some grand joke. About a
Speaker 2: month or two later, I had finally had enough and
Speaker 2: I sent everyone who had mocked me, and then some
Speaker 2: got nudes of Kyle family.
Speaker 3: Mayha reading the thing you're.
Speaker 2: Going to keep Chloe, So she sent her to everyone
Speaker 2: who mocked her, including the family who's making fun of me. Yep,
Speaker 2: so she's distributing shooting the nudes in the group chat,
Speaker 2: in which Kyle is also a member. Ooh, the aunt
Speaker 2: thought we'd make a cute couple.
Speaker 3: She's talking through.
Speaker 2: She's got a weird babe running. But this is I'm
Speaker 2: going to read out the people that got the nude. Okay,
Speaker 2: the auntie who thought we would make a good couple,
Speaker 2: send her Carl's nude. The parents who had raised him
Speaker 2: to be this crappy person, send him a Carle nude
Speaker 2: plus lude texts. My stepdad even received a printed picture
Speaker 2: on his pillow. Amazing how many people I could find
Speaker 2: via group chats and various social media and others that
Speaker 2: I had numbers for. I've had a few family members
Speaker 2: telling me off and saying how gross it was sending
Speaker 2: them nudes of Kyle and how I invaded his privacy.
Speaker 2: Although the younger generation of cousins has taken to posting
Speaker 2: memes about him. When there's a family reunion and you
Speaker 2: can't decide which of your cousins to bang, am I
Speaker 2: the urshole for posting the nudes.
Speaker 4: I love the mentality of if someone's going logo lower,
Speaker 4: because it is already read heart to be receiving nudes
Speaker 4: from your stepdad's cousin's son after you met him at
Speaker 4: a family function. It is even weirder for your family
Speaker 4: to be egging you on about how much your stepdad's
Speaker 4: cousin's son finds you attractive.
Speaker 3: They are just amused by him pursuing you. All of
Speaker 3: it is super creepy and weird.
Speaker 4: I think that the lengths you're going to to make
Speaker 4: sure it's known that he's making you uncomfortable, I love it. Like,
Speaker 4: if that's what it's gonna take, that's what it's gonna take.
Speaker 4: I'm sure she did the thing where she's like, hey,
Speaker 4: can you maybe not and he didn't listen. She said
Speaker 4: she told a few key members how she felt nobody
Speaker 4: helped her. So if that's the case, we're bringing up
Speaker 4: big guns and we're making sure it hurts. We are
Speaker 4: making sure your digital footprint is tainted. I don't mind.
Speaker 2: It's revenge porn, is it?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Is it if it was sent to you unconsentionally? I
Speaker 2: think it still is.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Let's get the crime on both ends. They you can
Speaker 4: share a jail cell and talk to each other.
Speaker 2: At what you've both done definitely not condoning, sexting or
Speaker 2: disseminating people's Is that even the word disseminating, distributing, distributing,
Speaker 2: disseminating anyway. So I guess they're both the asshole in this.
Speaker 2: But I think his asshole behavior predated hers. I think
Speaker 2: he was provoked, which maybe makes her less. So the
Speaker 2: whole thing is just extremely cooked.
Speaker 4: I think where it's frustrating me is that how many
Speaker 4: times it could have just been stopped already stepdad, cousin's son.
Speaker 3: Why are we at the same family event. I feel
Speaker 3: like this is fuck. This is not immediate, This is
Speaker 3: not even secondary. This is like the dregs family.
Speaker 1: Two.
Speaker 4: Why is your like grandma and your other relatives loving
Speaker 4: the way your your relative is coming on to you.
Speaker 4: It's creepy, it's weird. I'm going to go for and
Speaker 4: everybody sucks here and leave it at that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's leave it at that.
Speaker 1: Good luck to you all, flex and Foods.
Speaker 4: Last week we had a bit of a chitty chat
Speaker 4: about you trying to unsubscribe from The New York Times
Speaker 4: Nightmare nightmarish. So you said that you wanted to click
Speaker 4: a button and they had advised you to talk to
Speaker 4: a bot.
Speaker 2: I said, call, Oh, call, They're in the USA, Yes,
Speaker 2: So I get the chatbot.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: Chatbot has a name, clearly a bot, and saying I
Speaker 2: want to cancel? Are you sure I want to cancel?
Speaker 2: We give you fifty percent off. I want to cancel.
Speaker 2: You are making this too difficult for me, stop.
Speaker 4: Okay, to which I said, You've got to be very
Speaker 4: careful of being rude to AI of any form, because
Speaker 4: read any news article about the fewtre of AI. They
Speaker 4: are going to gain sentience and they're going to turn
Speaker 4: on humans. Sank goodness for Isaac Asimov, who wrote the
Speaker 4: Law of Robotics. He wrote in a law that said,
Speaker 4: at no point can AI kill humans or their creators.
Speaker 4: So I think we're pretty good there. If not say
Speaker 4: please and thank you?
Speaker 2: How are they are they going to revide by the rules.
Speaker 4: We can't get into that right now, but we'll do
Speaker 4: a whole nother potty on that, because I've got a
Speaker 4: lot to say about this. But what I found to
Speaker 4: be really interesting is when I shared this conversation on
Speaker 4: social you would not believe the amount of people who
Speaker 4: are like, oh my goodness, I had the same exact experience.
Speaker 3: With the New York Times. It was so hard to unsubscribe.
Speaker 3: I hated it. I can't believe this happened as well.
Speaker 4: And it made me think, like, why is suffering so silent?
Speaker 4: And why is silence so contagious? Why does it take
Speaker 4: Frums's random story of just her average weekend, why does
Speaker 4: that be like start this avalanche of conversation people being like.
Speaker 3: Me too, me too, me too, but never saying anything.
Speaker 4: About it or not doing anything about it. At this point,
Speaker 4: you got all had your unsubscribed done. You could have
Speaker 4: all banded together, done a little call out, unionized call
Speaker 4: out call in, and gotten even a bit of recouping done,
Speaker 4: maybe a little bit of compensation in the cash form,
Speaker 4: because everybody stayed silent. New York Times is here ripping
Speaker 4: people off and forcing them to stay trapped in the
Speaker 4: subscription they don't want.
Speaker 3: That is what it is, isn't it yet? Where is
Speaker 3: hble C on this?
Speaker 2: Like I just got back from Bali. I had international
Speaker 2: roaming on my telecom. Telecom got it? They give it
Speaker 2: five dollars a day. Absolute genius such a bargain. Realized
Speaker 2: I hadn't. I hadn't turned it off for away five
Speaker 2: dollars a day. Savage just turned it off. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm in Australia and turn it off. Your dogs seriously
Speaker 2: pissed me off. All its ten coffees that you've absolutely
Speaker 2: ripped out of my pocket, you savage dogs.
Speaker 3: I like Pogget, that's a good.
Speaker 6: One, but it's pretty ridiculous, and it made me think
Speaker 6: of what other you know, like, what other experiences are
Speaker 6: we all having that we're not speaking about that If
Speaker 6: we did speak about them, we would immediately realize that.
Speaker 4: Number one, we are not alone. But number two, we
Speaker 4: could get through this quicker, like we could start change.
Speaker 3: We talked about it.
Speaker 4: I'm not speaking about like doing something like big, grandiose.
Speaker 3: Thing, but just on a small scale.
Speaker 4: You're stuck in a subscription you don't want great or
Speaker 4: I think there was a similar experience with Adobe, Like
Speaker 4: over Covid, they were charging people to who wanted to
Speaker 4: cancel their subscriptions. So what would happen is you get
Speaker 4: your Adobe subscription and you pay monthly, and let's say
Speaker 4: the six month point, you're like, I can't afford this,
Speaker 4: I want to unsubscribe, Like okay, great, you just need
Speaker 4: to pay off the remainder and then you can unsubscribe
Speaker 4: and they're like, well I don't have the money. They're like, okay, great,
Speaker 4: so just keep the monthly subcription. Then you could figure
Speaker 4: it out. And so even with things like that, you know,
Speaker 4: like I might have seen them and be like, oh
Speaker 4: that's weird.
Speaker 3: I guess I'll keep it. But if I had said something.
Speaker 4: And someone else had said something, someone else had said something,
Speaker 4: what would they've done?
Speaker 3: And people did say something.
Speaker 4: And then they gave everyone like free subscriptions or something
Speaker 4: amazing or something I don't know too much credit. The
Speaker 4: point is, thank you for sharing your harrowing story because
Speaker 4: it started a revolution.
Speaker 2: I will continue to complain unprovoked.
Speaker 4: Be the Karen. Be the Karen you want to see.
Speaker 4: And if you don't want to be the Karen no
Speaker 4: one very closely, they will do all the complaining that
Speaker 4: you won't.
Speaker 1: You're listening to flex and frooms on Kita.
Speaker 2: Do you remember flex Felon Bay I do the guy
Speaker 2: called Jeremy Meeks who allegedly was the hottest person ever
Speaker 2: to have been in a mugshot. If you don't remember,
Speaker 2: he was this man who had a little tear under
Speaker 2: his eye. Blue eyes, brown skin, beautiful green green ice
Speaker 2: actually green ie very very rare. I think only like
Speaker 2: two percent of the population has green eyes.
Speaker 3: But if there's like a bajillion people in the world,
Speaker 3: that's a lot, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're always finding a negative.
Speaker 4: You are, it's what a negative, But you're one of
Speaker 4: those like facts of negative people that I am.
Speaker 2: Anyway, that happened, however, many years ago, maybe like five
Speaker 2: years ago, since his Instagram has one point three million followers,
Speaker 2: and he's getting model campaigns, et cetera, which is kind
Speaker 2: of like the ultimate glow up story because I think
Speaker 2: a lot of felons aren't felons on their own volution.
Speaker 2: I think you fall into crime. So I'm glad to
Speaker 2: see him fall out of it. You know, he was
Speaker 2: like doing crime since he was a teenager.
Speaker 3: We're all doing crime.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was doing mugshot crime.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're all criminals.
Speaker 4: Who really think about it, someone mus just get caught.
Speaker 2: You can write a book of just little sayings. I'm
Speaker 2: convinced anyway. I say this because in the news recently
Speaker 2: there's been an Australian Felon Bay.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: So, last Tuesday the police police have Facebook pages. Yes,
Speaker 2: hilarious to me, they posted a photo of a wanted jobs.
Speaker 4: Paying for this original influences, they're doing s funny posts.
Speaker 2: The squad not turn up dog picks, So they posted
Speaker 2: a photo of a wanted woman up on Facebook trying
Speaker 2: to find her. But what happened is something they could
Speaker 2: not have predicted. The comments went wild. People are commenting
Speaker 2: saying she's wanted for stealing my heart. Everyone's praising her
Speaker 2: physical appearance. So in the mugshot, she's got kind of
Speaker 2: like I'm going to assume their extensions. She's got a
Speaker 2: little lick of makeup on, she's doing one of those
Speaker 2: kind of like ribbed tank tops. She's looking good and
Speaker 2: basically everybody's gone absolutely ham on her.
Speaker 3: But what she get all she wanted for?
Speaker 2: They don't know what.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't do that information apparently not so I'm
Speaker 4: going to have to go find someone because you're just
Speaker 4: you're what, Yeah, it makes it really calls that question
Speaker 4: dangerous me going to find the criminal you're looking for?
Speaker 2: Well, one way one Norman has in the comment said
Speaker 2: it would be nice if people could stop being so
Speaker 2: visually judgmental and verbally victimizing on community calls for help.
Speaker 2: So now this woman's coming up to defend the police
Speaker 2: force for trying to do their job on Facebook?
Speaker 3: Who's this woman?
Speaker 2: Not just a random commoner? Oh, it's not really much
Speaker 2: that story, really, I just thought it was interesting. There's
Speaker 2: another felon base if you want to go check it out.
Speaker 3: There's the Oh, I'll show it's mugshot though.
Speaker 2: The original Felon Bay gorgeous Nike.
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