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Speaker 1: There is obviously a difference between the generations. Current generations
Speaker 1: alive include Gen Z millennials, gen X boomers. Is there
Speaker 1: only one above boomers? What about the COVID bat oh
Speaker 1: and baby cease? Is it called gen Z?
Speaker 2: What's gen Alpha?
Speaker 1: I think that's from ages ago? When did they start
Speaker 1: bringing in these generational.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I don't. I don't. I don't
Speaker 2: like it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Rookie, our producer has sent me this video
Speaker 1: to play. It is about generational differences with rudeness.
Speaker 4: So I find the generational difference between what's considered rude
Speaker 4: and what's considered polite very fascinating, because for boomers, it's
Speaker 4: impolite to put your elbows on the dinner table, whereas
Speaker 4: if you're a Gen Z or even a Millennials, considered
Speaker 4: rude not to say, go piss girl when someone's going
Speaker 4: to the bathroom.
Speaker 3: I mean, did that give what I thought I was
Speaker 3: going to give?
Speaker 2: I thought it was going to be a boy?
Speaker 3: In depth, what do you think is like?
Speaker 1: For example, I still think it's I think it's rude
Speaker 1: to not open the door for anybody. But in a
Speaker 1: past life with a gen before boomers, I think.
Speaker 2: Let's call them old people.
Speaker 1: No people.
Speaker 2: Well, you're confusing me. You know what a boomer is,
Speaker 2: So you're saying, Jim before, what's before a boomer and
Speaker 2: boom boom? Is that older than a boomer or younger than.
Speaker 3: Boom and the boom dog? Yet older the generation?
Speaker 2: Just say older people, old elderly because it's.
Speaker 1: The fact the elderly community, it would have been rude,
Speaker 1: like to not open the door for a woman, whereas
Speaker 1: now I think it's rude to not open the door
Speaker 1: for anybody. Correct, So there's a change there. And then
Speaker 1: the elbows on the table. I still think it's when
Speaker 1: I'm with polite company, Like if I'm going to meet
Speaker 1: a partner's parents, the elbows are not on the table.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like that phrase polite company. And it's interesting though,
Speaker 2: because I feel like people would argue that, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like it's a gray area what's considered rude because
Speaker 2: we have like different social norms. But it's like in
Speaker 2: the right and I'm saying right broadly, but in certain environments,
Speaker 2: you know what will fly. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And it's right now, I'm trying to.
Speaker 2: Hold my hand, you're threading your fingers with your toes, you.
Speaker 1: Know, because that's the kind of environment that flex has created. Listen,
Speaker 1: I say politeness should be more encouraged in this crazy,
Speaker 1: crazy world. People are definitely too comfortable with speaking from
Speaker 1: personal experience. I'm happy to bear that cross for who
Speaker 1: I've decided to become as a young lady.
Speaker 2: I think there should be more politeness, but I think
Speaker 2: in this instance, like rudeness is more commonplace, and I
Speaker 2: don't think they are equal in opposites. So for example,
Speaker 2: like I think people do pretty well with being polite,
Speaker 2: especially in Australia. I don't think that, like I'm concerned
Speaker 2: that when I walk into a store, I go into
Speaker 2: an establishment, that I'm going to interact with an impolite person.
Speaker 2: If anything, people are extra paranoid about being polite, and
Speaker 2: common space is at the point where it's like, okay, relax,
Speaker 2: like lay off a little bit. But I think rudeness
Speaker 2: is a thing that has been like exponentially amplified in
Speaker 2: a way that we don't know what to do with
Speaker 2: that information. Like when somebody is rude to you, I
Speaker 2: would have thought that like back in the day, you'd
Speaker 2: be like, oh, don't you know that's inappropriate? You know,
Speaker 2: you can't speak to your elders that way, don't you
Speaker 2: know you can't speak to your teacher that way. Don't
Speaker 2: you know you can't whatever? And now it's like a
Speaker 2: free for all. That's interesting that I think is really
Speaker 2: odd because you know, and it's like not just culturally
Speaker 2: like being from Gharna. But just like I remember in
Speaker 2: primary school or in high school, you had to be
Speaker 2: mindful of how you spoke to your teachers, and only
Speaker 2: the really naughty kids spoke back. It was like damn,
Speaker 2: like you would really speak back to a teacher whoa
Speaker 2: like that is next level. And now you know, you
Speaker 2: hear horror stories from teachers being like I get threatened
Speaker 2: every day by students. There's nothing I can do about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've all got phones to record you. Oh you know.
Speaker 1: I feel like they can push teachers because they know
Speaker 1: that teachers can't like hit the more abuse them or
Speaker 1: they lose their job.
Speaker 2: Well that's it. And I also think there's this conversation
Speaker 2: about morality that comes up a lot, and I don't
Speaker 2: know if it has anything to do with like like
Speaker 2: not the lack of religion, but just like the lack
Speaker 2: of influence on religion and this idea that we live
Speaker 2: in quite like secular environments, people kind of just like
Speaker 2: do what they want, Yeah, create their own rules, create
Speaker 2: their own rules, which is good, but also in the
Speaker 2: same vein, it's like what is the norm you fall
Speaker 2: back on? Because if there's no consequence for rudeness, then
Speaker 2: there's also no motivation for politeness either, because you kind
Speaker 2: of get to this neutral point where it's like I
Speaker 2: can be polite all I want but doesn't beget politeness,
Speaker 2: and I could be rude all I want and it
Speaker 2: doesn't beget rudeness. I just get to operate in the
Speaker 2: way that I want to. And I think what's really
Speaker 2: tricky is that, like we're coming out of this era
Speaker 2: of this hyper individualism, and I think we're gonna.
Speaker 3: Be coming out of it.
Speaker 2: I think we are in some respects. I think that
Speaker 2: like we're reaching or we're becoming really aware of the
Speaker 2: consequence of this hyperindividualism. People are way more lonely than
Speaker 2: they are before, socially isolated, depressed, without their community groups,
Speaker 2: unable to you know, like people are dying and like
Speaker 2: not being uncovered. People are going missing at higher rates,
Speaker 2: and so like everyone's like, oh whatever, it's another one gone.
Speaker 2: And I think what's gonna happen is that at one
Speaker 2: point people thought it was like a government responsibility, like
Speaker 2: you need to make us feel like a community, Like
Speaker 2: you need to put in measures so like we look
Speaker 2: after each other. And then people are gonna realize, like
Speaker 2: on a day to day, you really got to like
Speaker 2: back yourself. And I think we're going to move into
Speaker 2: this like collectivism wherever I's like, no, I really am
Speaker 2: part of this community. I'm part of this body, and
Speaker 2: for that reason, how I behave impacts my other people.
Speaker 2: I gotta hold my own a little bit better. I've
Speaker 2: got to be like the role model, and I've got
Speaker 2: a model behavior that I expect from people around me,
Speaker 2: or at least I've got to encourage behavior that I
Speaker 2: want to see. Because as weird as it is for
Speaker 2: someone to call you out, as weird as it is
Speaker 2: for someone to be rude to you, it's even weirder
Speaker 2: to have someone call out rudeness. Don't you think if
Speaker 2: I was like that was really impolite for me to
Speaker 2: be like WHOA like damn, Like I didn't really know.
Speaker 2: But I think that's almost what's required in some ways,
Speaker 2: Like we've got we've like dusted our hands off this
Speaker 2: like mutual community responsibility. It's like whatever, like she's a freak,
Speaker 2: but like I don't really know her. It's like, well,
Speaker 2: like that's your coworker, or like, oh he's he always
Speaker 2: says that stuff, but like he's my my friend's boyfriend.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, he's part of your community, babe.
Speaker 3: So I just I just feel like.
Speaker 1: We are channeling all of our rudeness, so we get
Speaker 1: our little fix of being fucking rude, and then we
Speaker 1: can go and pretend to be polite in real life.
Speaker 1: I think we're getting our pent up anger out into
Speaker 1: the metaverse, if you will.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I also think people are pretending to be
Speaker 2: rude online as well. I think it was like a
Speaker 2: social currency. I don't think people want to be as
Speaker 2: salacious and as vicious as they are. I think it's
Speaker 2: just like they're following the mold.
Speaker 3: That's so true.
Speaker 2: Humor has gone to be really rude, and like all
Speaker 2: these different things have like been encouraged and amplified and
Speaker 2: like rewarded. Nobody gets extra, nobody gets top comments are
Speaker 2: being sweet? True, you get top comment by being a
Speaker 2: feral cow.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: But it's gonna change soon.
Speaker 3: I hope.
Speaker 1: So I'm ready for the new wave new wave fleck Ands.
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but I think it's quite
Speaker 1: common to have dreams about your partner cheating on you.
Speaker 1: I think it's in the same realm as your teeth
Speaker 1: falling out.
Speaker 2: Isn't that common?
Speaker 3: I think it's pretty common. Yeah, is it?
Speaker 2: My face? Do that? Before? Literally, when I was in
Speaker 2: a relationship, I was the one cheating in my dreams.
Speaker 2: Look Brookie, we loved that one.
Speaker 3: Brookie gets them.
Speaker 2: Stand by Brookie, like I would say, the biggest liability
Speaker 2: of the trio is Brookie, followed by Freemi and then me.
Speaker 2: But I stand by Brookie. I'm gonna follow her to
Speaker 2: the end. I didn't know it was that common. See,
Speaker 2: Like as we know, before I went to psychotherapy when
Speaker 2: I was like twenty eight, twenty seven. I'm happy to.
Speaker 3: Share the age when I was twenty eight. How old
Speaker 3: are you now?
Speaker 2: Twenty eight? But like I'm at the end of twenty eight. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I used to have nightmares every time I would sleep right,
Speaker 2: and so I was like, oh, that truly normal. Turns
Speaker 2: it's not normal. So, but the themes of my dream
Speaker 2: were always so like abstract, like the apocalypse. Not like
Speaker 2: I didn't have regular dreams like oh, I'm going to
Speaker 2: the grocery store. My partner's cheating on me. That would
Speaker 2: be terrifying, like the normal ones that make you confused
Speaker 2: about your regular life. I never thought the apocalypse was
Speaker 2: coming when I that Bondai Beach was flooding.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I had tsunami dreams.
Speaker 1: But this is all about dreams about your partner cheating,
Speaker 1: which can be upsetting.
Speaker 3: According to Wiki.
Speaker 1: How, but how has good expoundations. Number One, your partner
Speaker 1: might not be giving you enough attention, and it's very
Speaker 1: easy for them to get wrapped up in work and
Speaker 1: other commitments and not notice that they haven't spent enough
Speaker 1: time with you. But being open with your partner about
Speaker 1: how you feel is really important. Number two, be needy.
Speaker 1: You feel jealous of someone, so maybe they've got a
Speaker 1: work crush. You know, it's not the craziest thing in
Speaker 1: the world for your partner to create on you, cheat
Speaker 1: on you.
Speaker 3: To create on you. What is that?
Speaker 1: Number three, you're unsure about the future of your life
Speaker 1: a work wife?
Speaker 2: Is that what I said?
Speaker 3: You said like a work crush?
Speaker 1: No work wife? Okay, yeah, work wife. You want your
Speaker 1: partner to get along with someone. That could be why
Speaker 1: you're trying to think about how your partner will fit
Speaker 1: into your social life and dreaming that your partner cheat
Speaker 1: on you with someone important. You might be your brain's
Speaker 1: silly way of processing the hope that they'll get along.
Speaker 1: This has happened before, my friend telling me she had
Speaker 1: a dream about me cheating on her boyfriend.
Speaker 2: I think that's a warning, and she said not in
Speaker 2: the stelling, so you don't get any ideas.
Speaker 1: I did feel a bit like that, but that's what
Speaker 1: you know. I think there's a reason, so you should
Speaker 1: invest to get the reason. Don't always take your dreams seriously,
Speaker 1: as I've been saying the last few weeks. I've been
Speaker 1: writing down my dream since the start of the year.
Speaker 1: It's now three months in and the note is very
Speaker 1: long and they don't mean anything, but they definitely helped
Speaker 1: me find some separation between the waking hours and the
Speaker 1: sleeping hours.
Speaker 2: I will say, what could be a potentially very exciting
Speaker 2: but manipulative thing to do is to tell these people
Speaker 2: about the dreams that you're having and see if they react.
Speaker 2: So let's say I told you through me that I
Speaker 2: found out. No, I didn't find out, but I had
Speaker 2: a dream that you were sleeping with my crush watching.
Speaker 2: Your response could be either really validating or telling, you know,
Speaker 2: like if you were like, oh my god, which one
Speaker 2: show me a picture? No, I don't want to show
Speaker 2: your picture you had stay.
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Speaker 2: Flex and frooms. Am I the asshole for not giving
Speaker 2: my boss my first class seat? That is the question
Speaker 2: we're answering today on FLEX and frooms. Listen to this. Yesterday,
Speaker 2: my boss and I we was flying home from a conference.
Speaker 2: We're on the same flight, but our original seats. We're
Speaker 2: not next to each other. I'm a frequent traveler on
Speaker 2: this airline and use their credit card, so I often
Speaker 2: get free upgrades to the first class. I got upgraded
Speaker 2: on this flight. My boss didn't. After the flight, when
Speaker 2: we were collecting our bags, she said she wanted to
Speaker 2: talk to me about my lack of respect for protocol.
Speaker 2: She thinks that because the company paid for my original
Speaker 2: ticket and she is more senior than me, I should
Speaker 2: have given her the first class seat. I think this
Speaker 2: is absolutely insane. While the company paid for my seat,
Speaker 2: it's my own personal credit card spending and frequent travel
Speaker 2: that earned me the upgraded seat. Is this some sort
Speaker 2: of corporate standard I'm not aware of. Am I the
Speaker 2: asshole here? When I read that, I said, hold on
Speaker 2: a second. This is why we need to bring back
Speaker 2: the etiquette thing. I was talking about because Yeah, in
Speaker 2: some cultures, it would be seen as appropriate to like
Speaker 2: respect the authority or the quote unquote superior in this situation.
Speaker 2: But it's far more complex. Why because we live in
Speaker 2: a lawless society.
Speaker 1: It's definitely an insane scenario. I would say, E've been
Speaker 1: out there rucking up debt quite potentially to get this
Speaker 1: special privileges on the plane.
Speaker 3: They're encoroaching on your civil liberty. It's as simple as that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And either your boss doesn't understand how you cocked
Speaker 2: the upgrade and it's kind of like, oh, like it
Speaker 2: was just like a like a randomized thing where it
Speaker 2: just happened to be on your seat, but it could
Speaker 2: have been anyone on the booking. I can understand that
Speaker 2: kind of mishap where it's like, Okay, one person on
Speaker 2: this book can get to first class seat, give it
Speaker 2: to your boss. That makes sense. But in this instance
Speaker 2: that you've earned the upgrade, it's yours to keep. And
Speaker 2: I will say that's the issue with having blurredlines in
Speaker 2: the workplace. Everybody needs to be comfortable here, la la
Speaker 2: la la. And now look what happens when I used
Speaker 2: to work in pr in an office. I remember when
Speaker 2: I had my performance review, I got pulled up on
Speaker 2: not going to work outings. And if you know me,
Speaker 2: and you know, if FLEXI doesn't like for socializing, if
Speaker 2: I've got a finite amount of hours to give in
Speaker 2: a week, I want to make sure I'm doing what
Speaker 2: I want to do and hang out with people that
Speaker 2: I have to be with by default. Is not that
Speaker 2: like I want to choose to like, you know, socialize.
Speaker 2: But during this meeting, my boss was like, rapport is
Speaker 2: really really important and people want to feel connected to you,
Speaker 2: and a way that you can do that or accelerate
Speaker 2: that is by engaging in these like after work out
Speaker 2: of work activities. And then I was like, but if
Speaker 2: you're creating an environment that is naturally fun to be in,
Speaker 2: and you as a boss are focused on company culture
Speaker 2: at work, we don't have to do all these extracurriculous
Speaker 2: to make up for what the virole is lacking. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's the like not going to give you a promotion,
Speaker 1: but we will be going a holy moly, yeah, ipe one.
Speaker 1: I would think, oh, you should give it to them
Speaker 1: in case you want a promotion, But nobody likes to
Speaker 1: kiss us, So just take the flight, enjoy the lobster,
Speaker 1: enjoy the champagne, enjoy the Emirates lounge. But just know,
Speaker 1: like you just gonna say, I've been out here popping
Speaker 1: my booty, yeah, trying to get these flights.
Speaker 2: Yourself, and like I would say, take the go, buy
Speaker 2: the take the approach of like, oh didn't you know
Speaker 2: you know, like oh, like you didn't know. I had
Speaker 2: points like like as opposed to being like I'm so sorry,
Speaker 2: like I wish it na like it's quite clear what's
Speaker 2: happened here. Lack of protocol and respect. Don't do it, sis,
Speaker 2: Let's not make that kind of conversation. You want to fly,
Speaker 2: you want to fly business. You know what to do,
Speaker 2: you know what to do.
Speaker 3: Come on, mummy, please please.
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