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Speaker 1: Jump Mission with Jonesy and Amanda.

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Speaker 2: Since the nineteen forties, there have been thousands upon thousands

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Speaker 2: of stories and sightings of UFOs, and yet research into

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Speaker 2: UFOs is still seen as the realm of crackpots and

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Speaker 2: conspiracy theorists. Our next guest is the award winning investigative

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Speaker 2: journalist who's been intrigued by UFOs ever since his own

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Speaker 2: experience as a teenager, and lately a lot of credible sources,

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Speaker 2: including I think the US Air Force Barack Obama, have

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Speaker 2: been saying there's some very good evidence pointing the way

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Speaker 2: to UFOs.

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Speaker 3: Is Ross Coulthard a crackpot.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he is, and he joins us now, Hello, Ross.

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Speaker 1: Good morning guys. Lovely to speak to you, you too,

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Speaker 1: so tell.

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Speaker 2: Us about this experience you had as a kid.

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Speaker 1: Well. I basically covered the Kai Kora UFO incident, which

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Speaker 1: a very famous Australian cameraman, Quentin Fogerty, filmed off the

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Speaker 1: south coast of the South eis Side the coast of

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Speaker 1: the South Island of New Zealand in nineteen seven nine.

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Speaker 1: I was a sixteen year old boy. Like a lot

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Speaker 1: of people at the time, I swallowed prime Minister Peggy

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Speaker 1: Muldoon's explanation at the time that this was just squid

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Speaker 1: boat lights fishing boat lights reflected off the water. And

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Speaker 1: then later on I got to know Muldoon. I also

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Speaker 1: got to know people in the Air Force, and I

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Speaker 1: also discovered that there were people who were air traffic

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Speaker 1: controllers at Wellington Airport who'd actually seen these objects on

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Speaker 1: radar and in complete contradiction to the official explanation. It

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Speaker 1: turned that the Air Force investigators for the New Zealand

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Speaker 1: Air Force knew full well that the people who'd seen

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Speaker 1: the objects claimed that they'd seen solid objects. And more importantly,

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Speaker 1: radar operators at Wellington Airport were tracking them on their

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Speaker 1: radar at fourteen thousand feet, So whatever they were, they

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Speaker 1: weren't fishing boats at fourteen thousand feet with their lights on.

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Speaker 1: And it me And when I started investigating the phenomenon

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Speaker 1: more recently as a journalist, I discovered that a lot

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Speaker 1: of the time, when you get into these stories and

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Speaker 1: I just applied the skill set I used as a churno,

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Speaker 1: I basically went back and looked at source incidents, like

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Speaker 1: in Australia, we've got some cracker examples, the Westall incident

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Speaker 1: in Melbourne in April nineteen sixty six, where there's never

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Speaker 1: been an official government explanation for what happened, but over

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Speaker 1: two hundred school kids adults local residents looked up on

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Speaker 1: a school sports field and saw three elliptical disc metallic

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Speaker 1: shaped objects hovering over the school grand And these objects

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Speaker 1: did things and maneuvered in ways that were way beyond

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Speaker 1: known technical capabilities of human technology at the moment. And

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Speaker 1: people witnessed it, and then they were told and threatened

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Speaker 1: by the military to shut up about it and to

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Speaker 1: keep quiet about it. And as I've dug, the more

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Speaker 1: I've dug, the more I've realized, why do we put

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Speaker 1: a taboo on the subject of UFOs? Why do we

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Speaker 1: kind of giggle nervously with ridicule when we look at

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Speaker 1: the subject, Because frankly, even the Pentagon, No, the US

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Speaker 1: Department of Defense is formally admitting that these anomalous objects

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Speaker 1: are real. They can't explain them. And there's just been

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Speaker 1: a report to Congress which has admitted that, well, there's.

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Speaker 3: A bit of shame with it. My dad used to

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Speaker 3: be an airline pilot. When was a kid, I said,

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Speaker 3: have you ever seen a UFI, and he said, if

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Speaker 3: I admit that, I'll never be able to fly again.

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Speaker 1: Really had similar conversations with people in quantas. I've spoken

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Speaker 1: to people in commercial airlines and also people in our

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Speaker 1: military who tell me they've seen astonishing things, but they're

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Speaker 1: worried for their careers because essentially there is this taboo,

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Speaker 1: this stigma that ridicules the whole subject. Yet when I

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Speaker 1: talk to people in high levels in the US Defense

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Speaker 1: Department and the intelligence services there, they're actually saying to me, look, Ross,

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Speaker 1: it's not ours, it's not American secret projects, it's not Russian,

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Speaker 1: it's not Chinese. We're pretty sure it's not them. We're puzzled,

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Speaker 1: we're genuinely confused by the mystery of what these objects are.

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Speaker 1: Because the Americans are. They've done a double backflip with Pike,

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Speaker 1: and after fifty years of denial, they've actually admitted that

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Speaker 1: this is a real phenomenon and that they can't explain it.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things that has been happening is

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Speaker 1: as recently as last week, pilots flying fighter jets off

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Speaker 1: the east coast of the USA, I'm told, have been

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Speaker 1: has actually admitted that these are a threat to flight safety.

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Speaker 1: They've actually talked about them as being a possible national

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Speaker 1: security concern. And so now the US Congress is gearing

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Speaker 1: up for possible hearings, public hearings where military witnesses in

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Speaker 1: particular will be cross examined under oath and asked to

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Speaker 1: reveal what they know. And I think they know a

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Speaker 1: lot more than they've previously let on.

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Speaker 2: Has there been human interaction this you've seen craft? Have

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Speaker 2: there been, when I say, a human and alien interaction?

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Speaker 1: Well, one of the most fascinating examples, and there's a

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Speaker 1: film coming out about this soon, is a place in

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Speaker 1: Zimbabwe called Rua and it's quite touching. There's a school

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Speaker 1: called the Arial School in Ruha in Zimbabwe, and the

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Speaker 1: BBC happened to have a camera crew nearby when this

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Speaker 1: incident happened and these beautiful little school kids. You can

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Speaker 1: find it on YouTube. It's an amazing story because the

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Speaker 1: BBC turned up literally within ours and these beautiful little

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Speaker 1: kids there wouldn't lie, but it wouldn't melt in their

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Speaker 1: marves and they're describing seeing aliens, alien creatures that basically

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Speaker 1: came out of this metallic disc. And one of the

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Speaker 1: interesting thing is is that one of the teachers is

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Speaker 1: also confirmed they saw the craft, and these kids basically

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Speaker 1: claimed that whatever this entity, whatever this intelligence was, it

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Speaker 1: communicated with them and told them that we were screwing

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Speaker 1: up the planet and that we were poisoning our planet

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Speaker 1: and causing in incredible damage to our planet with the

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Speaker 1: way we're treating the environment. And look, you know, I

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Speaker 1: wasn't there. I don't know. Certainly, there are claims in Australia.

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Speaker 1: There's this the Kelly Cahill incident in suburban Melbourne, where

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Speaker 1: a young woman and her husband apparently experienced some kind

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Speaker 1: of intelligent life form from a craft thirty or forty

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Speaker 1: years ago. These are very frequently reported incidents, much much

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Speaker 1: more frequently reported than we care to realize and acknowledge.

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Speaker 1: And the fascinating thing is, as I started finding when

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Speaker 1: I went through our national archives, our defense departments got

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Speaker 1: a lot of these files on record. There are incredible

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Speaker 1: sightings by military personnel that have been secretly recorded and

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Speaker 1: originally very heavily classified in Defense Department archives, which show

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Speaker 1: that we've had some amazing sightings over Australian territory.

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Speaker 3: Well, this is it's amazing, Ross, and it would be

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Speaker 3: just typical to have an alien invasion right now, in

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Speaker 3: the middle of the whole pandemic. Fellas, can you come back.

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Speaker 3: We're busy right now, but Ross will be looking at

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Speaker 3: your book in plain sight. It's in all good bookstores today.

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Speaker 3: Ross Kiltad, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: It's a real pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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