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Speaker 1: Now we know that there's quite a bit happening in

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Speaker 1: now charged a twenty eight year old man following that

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Speaker 1: Matt Holland b Good morning to you, Good.

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Speaker 2: Morning Katie, and good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Assistant Commissioner, can I ask in terms of the

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Speaker 1: with the twenty eight year old Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Katie, as you're aware, there was a homicide recently in

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Speaker 2: an offensive weapon and possession of cannabis as well. So

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Speaker 2: that's really good work by the detectives. It wasn't immediately

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Speaker 1: Do we know where that person was located?

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Speaker 2: He was arrested at a residence in Jingly, and that

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Speaker 1: Have we got any idea at this point in time

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure they were known to each other, but

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Speaker 2: but I don't know how well.

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Speaker 1: So he's obviously now facing a number of charges expected

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Speaker 2: Why was that, Look, Katie, it was an investigation that

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Speaker 2: in a roundabout way, it was planned that way. It

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Speaker 2: it was a good plan and it was executed really

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess the concern from the community is them

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Katie, I get all of that. But again,

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Speaker 1: So, Assistant Commissioner, we now know that this twenty eight

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Speaker 1: By the sounds of it, yes, that's correct. Now, overnight

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Speaker 2: At three forty five this morning, we received several reports

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Speaker 2: destroyed by fire. It is suspicious, so if anyone has

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, we also have seen and quite extensively reported by

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Speaker 1: It seems very odd, doesn't it that there's such a

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Speaker 2: But we just simply don't know. But if you do,

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Speaker 1: Assistant Commissioner, Are we seeing a bit of a spike

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, look at these serious incidents attract a lot

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and you know, I think that rightly so

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Speaker 2: And look, that applies to all of us. We don't

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Speaker 1: first appeared in the Australian newspaper and then Channel nine

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Speaker 1: last night of a young boy being taken away from

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Speaker 1: from a family where he had been you know who

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Speaker 1: he'd been with from quite a young age from my understanding,

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Speaker 1: and then had run away from a foster home according

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Speaker 1: to the Australian newspaper and forcibly removed five and than

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Speaker 1: Territory police, what exactly has gone on here? From the

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Speaker 1: police perspective, Katie.

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Speaker 2: From a police perspective, we were assisting Territory families with

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Speaker 2: their role. It's you know, usually it's pursuant to some

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Speaker 2: court order, but it may have been pursuant to the

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Speaker 2: Care and Protect and Protection of Children Act. It's not

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Speaker 2: unique to Territory families. We help health with mental health

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Speaker 2: related incidents. So bottom line is I can't really talk

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Speaker 2: too much about it. It's a matter for Territory families

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Speaker 2: to address.

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Speaker 1: But from time to time, by the sounds of it,

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Speaker 1: the police will be called in to assist territory families

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Speaker 1: to try to help in a situation like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, if there's potential for needing police. You know,

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Speaker 2: we help a wide range of government departments. But in

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Speaker 2: this particular case, yeah, I'd ask you to refer that

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Speaker 2: one to territory families for a more fulsome comment. Again,

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Speaker 2: there's some legislative aspects about identifying and releasing information that

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Speaker 2: may identify our child, So just ask you to tread.

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Speaker 1: Carefully on that one to well, we'll see what info

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Speaker 1: we can get from territory families. I do want to

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Speaker 1: ask you though, before I let you go, Assistant Commissioner

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Speaker 1: Knife Crime and the wanding, where are things ash with

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Speaker 1: police being able to wand territorians.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, it's a work in progress. We're building right

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Speaker 2: up to it. We've received the ones and they've been

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Speaker 2: distributed to the various work units and we anticipate having

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Speaker 2: some wandering action next week. We're still getting our heads

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Speaker 2: around the affected place in the high risk area aspects

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Speaker 2: of the legislation. It's a tool and if it's if

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Speaker 2: it's a tool that we can use to keep the

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Speaker 2: community safe.

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Speaker 1: We will do that, but from potentially next week potentially, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what kind like what sort of furthest steps? I guess

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Speaker 1: you have to just make sure you've got in place

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Speaker 1: before you can start doing it.

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Speaker 2: You know, we need to train our people, we need

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Speaker 2: to make sure that they do it lawfully, and probably

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Speaker 2: we don't. You know, it's not it's not designed to

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Speaker 2: embarrass or anyone. It is designed to keep people safe

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Speaker 2: on our straight So we just want to make sure

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Speaker 2: we get it right.

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Speaker 1: As well, and our officers at this point feeling pretty

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Speaker 1: confident with being able to use those ones.

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Speaker 2: Look, I actually haven't asked that question, but as I say,

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Speaker 2: it's you know, it's new and we want to get

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Speaker 2: it right and you know it is a tool where

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Speaker 2: we can use it to keep the community safe.

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Speaker 1: Well. Acting Assistant Commissioner Matt Holland B. We appreciate your

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Speaker 1: time this morning. Obviously acting in the assistant commissioner role.

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Speaker 1: You've been over with major have you been with major crime?

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Speaker 1: Organized crime?

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Speaker 2: Organized crime? Intelligence and Capability? So I had basically three folios.

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Speaker 2: One was Drug Squad an organized crime, the other one

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Speaker 2: was tig Water Police Dogs, and horses, and the other

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Speaker 2: one was the intelligence side of the house, so very

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Speaker 2: interesting role. I really enjoyed it, but you know it's

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Speaker 2: it vast to be been asked to take over this

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Speaker 2: portfolio and looking looking forward to the challenge.

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Speaker 1: Well, no doubt we'll be speaking with you a little

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Speaker 1: bit more often. Acting Assistant Commissioner Matt Hollandby really appreciate

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Speaker 1: your time this morning. Thanks so much for coming in.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Katie, thank you.