1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Coming up. On today's show, Kyrie Harvey sparks debate after 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 1: revealing she rehomed her family dog, Tammy Hambro's Wholesome Holiday 3 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: with Matt Sakowski and her ex Breez hawkiins, Mikayla Testa 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: declares she's in love and the latest on Aspen Ovard's 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: alleged divorce. Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose 6 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: of the hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: I'm Kate Torba and there is currently debate raging on 8 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: TikTok over how often you wash your pajamas. There is 9 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: a section of the internet who insists that pajamas should 10 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: be washed every day, and these people believe it's unhygienic 11 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: due to sweating overnight and also wearing them for eight 12 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: hours plasses gross. On the other hand, there were people saying, 13 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: you know, a couple of times a week, maybe once 14 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: a week max is normal. So if I need to 15 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: ask how often do you wash your pajamas? Well, I 16 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: don't wear pajamas every night. Usually I go to bed 17 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: with a big T shirt on and just my undies. 18 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: But on the nights I do my tan I like 19 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: to marinate in it. So I wear long pajamas and 20 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: I will wash them after every use, but that is 21 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: only because there is tan all over them. So the 22 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: big T shirt that you wear, is that just what 23 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: you've been wearing that day, so it's fresh every day? No, Well, 24 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: I actually do get a fresh T shirt out the 25 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: drawer probably every night, but it's more because usually I've 26 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: chucked I have a shower at night at time, I've 27 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: chucked it somewhere in the bathroom. So yes, I probably 28 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: do follow this and wear something fresh every night. See 29 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: when I saw this TikTok, I actually felt quite ashamed 30 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: because I thought washing your pajamas once a week was 31 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: quite frequent, because I don't really know how often I 32 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: wash mine. I usually wear winter pajama pants and it 33 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: could be a month or so before I wash those. 34 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: To make you feel better, I'm going to admit this 35 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: on the podcast. I am currently wearing underpants that I 36 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: purchase from the shop and have not washed, and that 37 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: is out of pure laziness. And I think it was 38 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: last year we did a segment about whether you should 39 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: wash your sheets or clothes before you wear them, and 40 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: I just think that's bullshit. Because who has the time 41 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: for that. I honestly think it's phobes that are washing 42 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: them every day because I cannot imagine the laundry. So 43 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: you're having to do laundry every day, or you have 44 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,679 Speaker 1: so many pairs of pajamas, like where do you store them? 45 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: Particularly in winter when it's cold and you're having to 46 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: hang them on the line or put them on the 47 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: clothes horse. How are these pajamas drying in time? Yeah? Well, 48 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: some of the people that admitted to washing their pajamas 49 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: every day also said they wash their towel every day. 50 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,119 Speaker 1: So look, I want to be better at it because 51 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: I feel like I've got a reputations being a bit 52 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: of a slob on this podcast. I have been really 53 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: good with my pillowcases because I feel like you do 54 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: need to have a consistent turnover of your pillowcase because 55 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: I have been suffering with my skin a little bit, 56 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: and I think it's down to my pillowcase. Yeah. Well, 57 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: I have to admit that when I saw this TikTok, 58 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: I actually did watch my pajamas and I probably will 59 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: be doing it more frequently. So this is everything I 60 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: did today. I started my day at about four point 61 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 1: thirty in the morning. I wanted to get some movement 62 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: in before the kids woke up. The Internet went into 63 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: meltdown when fitness influenced Tammy Hembro revealed his holidaying in 64 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: Balley with her fiance Matt Sakowski and also her baby 65 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: daddy and ex Reese Hawkins. I have to admit I 66 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: had to do a double take when I saw this 67 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: vision because Reese's in the background. They're at a beach club, 68 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: They're all with the kids. It looks very happy family. Yeah, 69 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: it was very wholesome. Everyone was saying that they just 70 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: felt so happy seeing this vision, and I think it's 71 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: because a lot of people know that Wolf and Saskia 72 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: their kids don't often get to see Reese because he 73 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: does live overseas, so it was special to see them 74 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: having family time. Now, Reese and Tammy were together for 75 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: four years and they called off their engagement in twenty eighteen, 76 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: so there has been some time that's passed for them 77 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: to co parent together and become better friends and on 78 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: better terms. I think that Tammy really has to be 79 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: commended in this situation because it does seem like she 80 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: is trying really hard to have a good relationship not 81 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: only with Reese Hawkins, but her other fiance and baby daddy, 82 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: Matt Paul or ex fiance. Yeah, I mean maybe Matt 83 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: was wondering where his invitation was. Do you think he 84 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: would go and join it? I just think that would 85 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: generate too many headlines if all three of them were there. 86 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: But it would be very handy because clearly Tammy and 87 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: Matt Sakowski they need some time away to sort out 88 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: what has been going on. And what better to have 89 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: your other kid's dads there to babysit. It's perfect, I 90 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: mean I don't know if it's perfect. I feel like 91 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: it could also generate some problems. A lot of people 92 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: were commenting that Reese looked really toned and in good 93 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: nick and he did look good. I mean, some followers 94 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: were making a few unfair comparisons between the two men's 95 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: body which was rather gross. I don't think that's right 96 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: to body shame people. I mean, I think that it's 97 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: coming off the back of people being annoyed with Matt Szakowski. 98 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: But that is so wrong. What does make it a 99 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 1: little less awkward is Reese is dating someone news, so 100 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: he is seeing an only fans star called Ruby Bisaga, 101 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: So I mean, I think it would be more awkward 102 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: if he was single and on this trip and sort 103 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: of milling around. It has been interesting to watch this 104 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: trip on fold online because Matt did take Tammy out 105 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: for her thirtieth birthday the other night, and they did 106 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 1: look very loved up, maybe a bit. They had a 107 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: few wines. I think in the bathroom at this Barley restaurant, 108 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: Tammy looked like she was about to fall over. She 109 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: didn't look in a good way. It just one thing 110 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: that didn't sit well with me was this post that 111 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: Matt put up, so Tammy was lying on a sun 112 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: bed and it was literally a photo of him grabbing 113 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: her ass cheek, and it was hopefully deleted. It seemed 114 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: a bit possessive. It is hard to watch on and 115 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: buy into this trip being such a good time for everyone, 116 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: because it's clear that they've gone away to work on 117 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: their relationship, but to also to celebrate Tammy's birthday. I 118 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: just feel awkward. This trip does seem like a bit 119 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: of a branding exercise for the couple. It's almost like 120 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: they're trying to prove something to their followers. They've been 121 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: posting a lot of very loved up Instagram reels and 122 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: a lot of declarations of love for one another. It 123 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: also seems like Matt is trying to prove his dedication 124 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: to Tammy by getting a tattoo on the trip. So 125 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: if you cast your minds back at the start of 126 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: their relationship, when Tammy was on a White Fox trip, 127 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 1: she got Matt's name tattooed on her hip. Yeah, And 128 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: it was so early on in their relationship that a 129 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: lot of people actually assumed that the tattoo had been 130 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 1: for her former fiance Matt Paul Yeah, and that it 131 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: was just convenient that they were both called Matt. Yeah. 132 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: So Matt has got Tammy's name now on his hip 133 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: with that little love heart. That seems fair. I think 134 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: that's a right decision for him to make. They also 135 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: have matching love heart tattoos that they got a couple 136 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: of months ago. I wonder if Tammy was on his 137 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: back saying, look, are you gonna get my name or what? 138 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: Because there is a rumor that he has a tattoo 139 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: on his ass of his other ex's name. It is 140 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 1: not Kira Maguire, it is another X. It's Genevieva believe Genevieve. 141 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: Oh god, that would be a long name on your ass. Well, 142 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: maybe it just says Jen, but I mean I'm hoping 143 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: maybe if he's getting it removed, it only says Jen, 144 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: because that would be quite painful. I found it quite 145 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: surprising because I had a look at Tammy Hembro's social blade, 146 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: and you would think, because she is promoting her book 147 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: at the moment, and also because all of this drama 148 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: is happening, that more and more people would be following 149 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: her and wanting to buy into her life and see 150 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: what's going on. But in the past month, she has 151 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: actually lost twenty five thousand followers. She seems to be 152 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,679 Speaker 1: hemorrhaging followers by the day. Wow, she does have seventeen millions, 153 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: so she's not really going to miss the twenty five thousand, 154 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: but that does speak volumes that people are over the drama. Yeah, 155 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: And I think that's also why she's reframing to share 156 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: a lot of content with Matt on her Instagram, because 157 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: it does seem to be him who is trying to 158 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: tag her in a lot of things. And when she 159 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: does a photo dumb, the first photo will be her, 160 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: but it won't be him. Yeah, whereas it's the reverse 161 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: on his Instagram. Well, we all know why that would be. 162 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: You gotta pet. 163 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: You got a responsibility. If your dog is lost, you 164 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: don't look for an hour, then call it quits. 165 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: You get your ass out there and you find that 166 00:07:58,840 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 2: fucking dog. 167 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: Kyrie Harvey has sparked debate after revealing she rehomed her 168 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: family dog Socks. The influencer was forced to make the 169 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: announcement after she was bombarded with messages from her followers 170 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: after the dog disappeared from her account. Before we get 171 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: into it, Kate, who is Kyrie Harvey, Well, she is 172 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: better known by her Instagram handle Miss Kyrie Loves and 173 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: she's a Perth based influencer who has been sharing her 174 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: very aesthetically pleasing life on social media for over a decade. 175 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 3: So. 176 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: She is a photographer, children's author and mum of three. 177 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: Alongside her children's books, she also sells affirmation cards online 178 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: and she has over two hundred and thirty five thousand 179 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: followers on her Instagram account and has clocked up forty 180 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: six thousand on her home account. Now, she has stepped 181 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: back a little bit from her main account and mainly 182 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: posts about styling and home renovation projects on her home account. 183 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: As for her family dog, Socks, she adopted him back 184 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: in August twenty twenty three, and he is an adorable 185 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: Aussie doodle. Oh this dog is so cute, Like if 186 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: you wanted to buy a dog that was perfect to 187 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: fit into this esthetically pleasing social media life that Kyrie 188 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: has set up. This is the dog. Yeah, and she 189 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: did announce the exciting news with her followers by sharing 190 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: the moment her kids first saw Socks as a puppy, 191 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: and that video has two hundred and twenty eight thousand views. 192 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: It was a very touching moment because her daughter starts crying. 193 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: The family just looked picture perfect in it. It's like 194 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: they're in a Hallmark movie essentially. Yeah, and Socks was 195 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: a very big part of her content until he suddenly 196 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: disappeared from her feet, and this did prompt followers to 197 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 1: message Kyrie asking her about the dog. Some were concerned, 198 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: but I think it's clear that others felt as though 199 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: they were entitled to know what was going on and 200 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: where he was. It did feel like Kyrie was forced 201 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: to come out and reveal the news that she had 202 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: rehome Socks, and in a lengthy statement she shared on 203 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: her Instagram story. She admitted that she felt extremely anxious, uneasy, 204 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: and frightened about how people were going to react to 205 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: the news. Now, it turns out that Socks is now 206 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: living with the family who adopted one of his brothers, 207 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: so it seems like a good outcome now. Before she 208 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: went into the details about why she made the decision, 209 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: she did preface that she has become more of a 210 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: private person online over the years, and she has set 211 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: boundaries around her personal life and has been showing her 212 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: kids less online. She did, however, say that she felt 213 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: like she owed it to her audience to explain what 214 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: had happened, because so many of them had been really 215 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: gracious and given her good advice over the time. Kyrie 216 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: then went into detail about some of the reasons why 217 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: they did rehome Socks, and the main reason appeared to 218 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: be his size. So Kyrie wrote, even after all the 219 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: endless research, we thought we were so prepared, yet we 220 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: still got it wrong. We never anticipated or comprehended how 221 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: big he would get. He was thirty five kilos with 222 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: super long standard poodle legs and growing. Even with private 223 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: training at our home, his size became unmanageable for me 224 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: on my own when I also have three children. She 225 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: then also detailed how the dog's safety was becoming a 226 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: concern as they could couldn't stop him from climbing over 227 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: their fence and getting onto the road. She continued, there 228 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 1: were lots of reasons for our decision, and it was 229 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: a very depressing and gut wrenching decision to make. I 230 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: understand there will be lots of you who disagree, don't understand, 231 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 1: or who will be disappointed. We got a dog as 232 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: a lifelong commitment. We never intended this to be the 233 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: decision we'd make. My parents' dog is sixteen years old, 234 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: and I envisioned that's what we'd also have. We plan 235 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: to adopt a much smaller breed that will fit into 236 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: our family's lifestyle. I hope that you respect that as 237 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: a family, we did what's right for us and also 238 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: insured Socks was safe and love too now. She did 239 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 1: follow up with another post on an Instagram story that read, 240 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: I've seen the threads, I've seen the nasty comments. I 241 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: really hope those involved in adding to the conspiracy rumors 242 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: can put it to rest. She then appeared to get 243 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: some good feedback from her followers because she shared another 244 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: post that said, thank you for your kind words. I 245 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: was expecting it to go differently, so I really appreciate 246 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: how kind my community is. Thank you for being here. 247 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: Do you think it's fair to expect Kyrie to share 248 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: what happened to Socks with her audience. It's a tough 249 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: one because while it may not seem fair, I think 250 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: it's just a byproduct of the parasocial relationship the audiences 251 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: have with the influences that they follow. It's a two 252 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: way relationship, and audiences expect transparency in exchange to be 253 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: sold to And while it may seem like her audience 254 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: are extremely entitled, I do think it's only human, particularly 255 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: because the audience has also formed a parasocial relationship with 256 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: Socks the dog, and I think the fact that Kyrie 257 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: has used Socks in brand deals also adds an interesting 258 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 1: element into it all. What doesn't sit well with me, though, 259 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: is this gotcha moment that some followers seem to be 260 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: trying to have because there is a conspiracy that the 261 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: family has already adopted a Cocker Spaniel puppy, and some 262 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: people have spotted that Kyrie is following certain breeders pages, 263 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: and people are putting two and two together. And I 264 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: think when it's got to the level where people are 265 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: abusing you for making a decision and that's right for 266 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: your family and right for the dog, the things have 267 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: just gone way too far and gotten so ridiculous. I mean, 268 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: we've had friends who have had to rehome their dogs, 269 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: and it's one of the toughest decisions you can make, 270 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: and sometimes it's just a lot kinder to the dog. 271 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: As you've touched on Kate, they've rehomed it with the 272 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: dog's brother, like the family of the dog, like this 273 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: dog is it's going to be with a family who 274 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: understand that breed. I think where she went wrong was 275 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: actually referencing that they want to adopt another dog, because 276 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: I think it was too soon to even mention another dog. 277 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: And it does appear like the family may have another dog. 278 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: Someone has spotted a dog crate in a corner of 279 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: a photo. I got to remember that there's three young 280 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: kids involved, who I assume are distraught that their dog 281 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: has been rehomed. The parents have made the decision for 282 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: the family because the dog is too difficult for them. 283 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: They don't understand the complexities of it, so they know 284 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: that they still want a dog, but this dog is 285 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: the wrong breed for them. I think it just gives 286 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: off the impression that the dog is an object and 287 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: can be replaced, and while I'm not suggesting that is 288 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: the case in this situation, it just doesn't come across 289 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: right online. And I think the backlash is also coming 290 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: from a place of envy because Kyrie presents this very 291 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: perfect family aesthetic on Instagram and the dog really played 292 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: into this. And as we know, life isn't always aesthetically pleasing, 293 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: and there's nothing less aesthetically pleasing than rehoming your dog. 294 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people are getting pleasure 295 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: from the fact that influencers may not be as perfect 296 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: as they portray themselves online. I do think at the 297 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: end of the day, though, people are losing sight of 298 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: what really matters, and that is the dog's welfare. And 299 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: it is very clear they made the right decision when 300 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: it comes to socks. Would people have preferred them to 301 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: neglect the dog. That's why I feel a bit uncomfortable, 302 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: because people are making these sweeping judgments about this family 303 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: or and acting like they did neglect this dog simply 304 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: for rehoming it, like they haven't just dumped it at 305 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: some pound, They've actually found a nice, safe home for 306 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: it to live in. I do think it comes down 307 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: also to transparency. So I can see why some of 308 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: her followers were annoyed because they said that they would 309 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: reach out and ask how Socks was going on, what 310 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: was happening with him, and they would be allegedly blocked. 311 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: So I can see how that wouldn't really sit well 312 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: with people. Again, though, we do need to remember this 313 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,359 Speaker 1: is a real family who were going through real emotions 314 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: and it would have been absolutely heartbreaking for them to 315 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: make this decision. So maybe they weren't at a point 316 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: where they felt like they could publicly talk about it emotionally. Yeah, 317 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: I definitely think that if you're in a really bad 318 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: space and someone is continuously bringing up in your DMS, 319 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: where's the dog? Where's the dog? Like, you might think 320 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: that your tone isn't aggressive, but maybe it's coming in 321 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: that way and you don't know how many messages that 322 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: they're getting are asking the same thing. Just gonna snap 323 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: be like I can't take this anymore. Hey, my besty 324 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: girl is out of town this week. So instead of 325 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: a best of girl, dat we have. 326 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 2: A Fanny Day. 327 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: Aspen Overard is still keeping her millions of followers guessing 328 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 1: over the status of her marriage. A month ago so 329 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: she allegedly filed for divorce from her husband, Parker Ferris. 330 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: The same day the couple announced the birth of their 331 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: third child. Very strange timing. The latest update, according to People, 332 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: is the couple have paused their divorce proceedings to focus 333 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: on negotiating a settlement. Now the court documents have been 334 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: cited by People and were dated April seventeen. Now neither 335 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: Aspen or Parker have actually publicly commented on the divorce, 336 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: and they've been posting as normal, which is so odd. Yeah, 337 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: it's really strange because on April the twenty second, Aspen 338 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: shared a video of her and Parker out with their 339 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: kids on what she called a family date to a 340 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: soda shop, and then the following day, she posted a 341 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: TikTok showing Parker filming content at a house, and she 342 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: joked that he was coming out of retirement to film 343 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: a morning routine. I mean, we have to point out 344 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: that these videos are shot weeks in advance, and it's 345 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: an interesting way to actually conduct your social media, because 346 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: it's almost like putting out a TV show because you 347 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: get a bit of ave you a bit of a 348 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: trailer of what we might see. Yeah, but she mean 349 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: she's still scheduling it in for it to go live 350 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: at the moment when everyone is speculating on the status 351 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 1: of their relationship. It's so weird because every time she 352 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: posts a video, I go check out the comments, and 353 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 1: she must be keeping up to date with the moderation 354 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: to the minute, because I never see anyone actually asking 355 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: her about She probably has the word marriage, divorce or 356 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: Parker just filtered out of her comments section. Yeah, so 357 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: it just automatically blops it. It's rather an interesting PR 358 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: strategy to investigate because normally an influencer at this point 359 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: would have come out and said something. They would have 360 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: acknowledged that something was going on, or they would have 361 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: denied it. However, it's been a month and they've both 362 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: been quiet and acting normal. Is this a clever PR strategy? 363 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: I think it is, and I think it's a clever 364 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: way to also share content, because if you're sharing something 365 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: that's happened months ago, you're giving yourself a bit of 366 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: distance and time to get over those things, So you're 367 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: not going to be as hurt if someone is commenting 368 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: on something that happened a couple of months ago. 369 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 370 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: Well, a lot of people are also talking about the 371 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: fact that Aspen hasn't actually said much about her third 372 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: child other than the fact that she was born at 373 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: thirty four weeks. I don't believe we know the name yet. 374 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 1: I think it's actually a refreshing move that she's not 375 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: sharing too many intimate private details about her new baby, 376 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: because she did say a year ago that she didn't 377 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: intend on sharing much about her other children and she 378 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: wanted to take a step back and not invade their privacy. 379 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,479 Speaker 1: So I think that it's good she's actually sticking to 380 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: her word and she's not using her baby to click bait. 381 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: I mean, we've already got the potential divorce to sort 382 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: of buy into and get interested in. Yeah, but do 383 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: you think the reason that she started to pull back 384 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: from sharing her family was because things weren't going right 385 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: with her husband. I think it's probably a bit of both. 386 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: I think with her kids getting older and maybe the 387 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: constant speculation and the constant comments and I assume trolling, 388 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: she probably thought, I don't want to be sharing every 389 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: detail about my kids, and I think when kids get 390 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: to school age as well, you have to be so 391 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: careful with sharing their locations. I'm so interested to see 392 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: how this unfolds and how they actually eventually come out 393 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 1: and acknowledge the divorce, because surely there will be a 394 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: point where they have to. I think it's quite perfect 395 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: for them because they have got weeks and weeks to 396 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: make sure that they put out the perfect divorce video, 397 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: one that hits all of the right notes, one that 398 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: makes both of them look good. 399 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 2: Forty five seconds. I talked about it, right, and in 400 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 2: the video, I said, didn't check the price. It was 401 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty five dollars, right, That's all I said. 402 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 2: Didn't say it wasn't worth that, didn't say didn't deserve 403 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 2: that present. The record literally just was trying to be 404 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 2: like relatable because sometimes, like my sister, who's like really 405 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 2: socially anxious, she'll like get a bag of cherries whatever, 406 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 2: and she'll buy it and then it'll be like thirty 407 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 2: bucks and she'll like fuck. 408 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, yeah yeah. 409 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 2: It's kind of trying to be relatable, right. I'd just 410 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 2: like to shot my mouth on every platform because the 411 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 2: mean you say something like I'm just gonna start doing 412 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 2: dancing videos, hones you. 413 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: I think janty video will be easier. Three months on 414 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: from Muggate, TikTok is Sofa Dover has attempted to set 415 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: the record straight on Lily Brown's podcast Sophie for those 416 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 1: who need a quick refresher what went down Well, This 417 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: controversy dominated for you pages for weeks and people were 418 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: being asked if they were Team Sophie or Team Shelby. 419 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: And things blew up when Sophia was slammed by a 420 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: potter called Shelby Share It and she has been dubbed 421 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: the Taylor Swift of the pottery world. She has over 422 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: two million followers on TikTok and the drama went down 423 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: when Shelby called out an old video that Sophia created 424 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: which mentioned a strawberry mug from her collection, and in 425 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,239 Speaker 1: the video, Sophia said she didn't realize the mug had 426 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: two handles when she bought it. She also said she 427 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: didn't know the price of the mug before being presented 428 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 1: with the FPOs machine and was shocked to find out 429 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: the small mug cost one hundred and twenty five dollars. Now, 430 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: Sophia didn't name the business in question, but many argued 431 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: that it was obvious who she was talking about, as 432 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: that strawberry pattern is one of Shelby's signature designs. This 433 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,959 Speaker 1: is where Shelby and the chat. She accused Sophia of 434 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 1: lying about her experience at her stall and then got 435 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: emotional about the hours of work that goes into each 436 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 1: of her pieces, and she also explained that the two 437 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: handed mug was part of a Dignity range to help 438 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: people with disabilities. Now, this does seem pretty insignificant a 439 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: couple of months or now that we're talking about it, 440 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: but this was a big deal at the time. There 441 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: were think pieces written about this. We wrote one for 442 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: Mamma Beha. And you may be wondering why would she 443 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: bring this up again, But it is because Lily Brown 444 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,959 Speaker 1: asked her directly about it. Yeah, because Lily asked her 445 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: followers what are their burning questions for Sophia. And it 446 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,239 Speaker 1: seems like everyone still wants to know about Muggate. And 447 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: it's quite funny because Sophia said that mug Gate continues 448 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: to follow her around and when she attends influencer events, 449 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 1: everyone asks her about it and she's so sick of it. 450 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: She also said that she attended a recent festival and 451 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: there were doof sticks with the infamous mug on it. 452 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: What are doof sticks? So I'm trying to pretend to 453 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: be cool, like I just knew what they were. I 454 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 1: had to look up what they are. So they had 455 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: DIY signs made from cardboard with a wooden pole holding 456 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: them up. So literally, it's so someone drew a picture 457 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: of the mug. Yeah, apparently there were several ones of 458 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,479 Speaker 1: the mug around. That's pretty funny. Yeah. I also just 459 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: really enjoyed getting an insight into what actually went down 460 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 1: when this controversy broke, because it's always fun to feel 461 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 1: like you're a fly on the wall. Let's throw to 462 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: what Sophia said. 463 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 2: I'm sitting at my desk one day in the office 464 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,479 Speaker 2: and I'm just checking my recent fitcheck that I posted, 465 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 2: and all the comments are like, kys, like you're a 466 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 2: horrible person. Obviously not going to say the words, but 467 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 2: like you're a horrible person. How dare you? Like you're 468 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 2: a slot like all this stuff, And I'm like, what happened? 469 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: Like this is that feeling broy So I'm. 470 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 2: Like, I checked my mentions straight away. I've been tagged 471 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 2: in like a million times on this one video and 472 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 2: it was this lady obviously now, but I realized the 473 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 2: owner of for Sure saying that I lied and I 474 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: knew the price, and she talked to me about the price, 475 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 2: and we talked through the whole Strawby collection. Didn't happen, right. 476 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 2: You want me fat, you can call me ugly, you 477 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 2: can call me a slight. I don't really care, but 478 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 2: don't want me to lie, Like, don't lie, that's so annoying, 479 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 2: crossing the line, don't. I don't care if people like 480 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 2: your eyebrows, sock. 481 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: It's pretty interesting because Sophia admitted that she does usually 482 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: run things past her mum before she responds to any drama. 483 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: Seems like a smart idea considering her mother is a lawyer. 484 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: But in this instance, she told her mum that she 485 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 1: didn't care what she had to say and she was 486 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: sick of people making up fake narratives about her. It 487 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 1: was awful to hear the comments that she received, because 488 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 1: you've got to remember, Sophia is only twenty years old. 489 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: It's a young girl who's getting this volume of hate 490 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,479 Speaker 1: directed at her, and you would be so confused thinking 491 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: what have I done? What is this even about? Yeah, 492 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: I mean a big part of the debate was the 493 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: fact that this mug was a part of the inclusivity 494 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: range that the brand was selling, and Sophia and Lily 495 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: did fail to touch upon this important fat which I 496 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: think it would have been nice to hear Sophia actually 497 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: speak about it. Yeah, let's throw to what Lily and 498 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: Sophia said about it. 499 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 2: So I said, I bought this mugg, and I was like, 500 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 2: I don't know who I'm going to give it to you, right, 501 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 2: Because when I left the market, I went home, pulled 502 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 2: the mug out of the bloody bag. I saw it 503 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 2: two handles, mark had two handles. 504 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: So is it a pot? What an actual mug that 505 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: you drink at it? 506 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 2: It's actually a mug, So when you so when I 507 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 2: bought it, I didn't see it because they're all like 508 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 2: stacked on top of each other, like going, a bunch 509 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 2: of handles going yes. 510 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 1: It was like, well, maybe like the other one was 511 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: facing the back, right. I found these remarks a bit awkward. 512 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: It seemed like Lily was very clueless about the mug, 513 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: and it almost felt as though they were throwing shade 514 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: at the mug for a second time and smirking about 515 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: the fact that it had two handles, And I felt 516 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: like it wasn't a full picture of what the actual 517 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: controversy was about, because a lot of people were offended 518 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: that Sophia seemed to be making fun of the fact 519 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: that it had two handles when it is actually to 520 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 1: help people with disabilities. Yeah. I don't think it's the 521 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: best look to then reiterate the negative comments about the 522 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: cup m It doesn't really make sense. Yeah, it doesn't 523 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 1: really make sense. I know. Lily Brown has been criticized 524 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 1: for her interviewing style. There was a thread in our 525 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: Facebook group where people are saying, is anyone sick of 526 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: the way Lily talks over all of her guests. Yeah, 527 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: she makes all of the interviews about herself because she 528 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 1: does get some good guests on there. And I was 529 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: interested to hear what Sophia had to say, but Sophia 530 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: was having to fight to get a word in. Lily 531 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: kept interrupting her and bringing it back to all of 532 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: the controversies that she'd had, and I felt like saying, 533 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: we've already heard about this, we want to hear about Sophia. Yeah, 534 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: but I'm also not a big fan of listening to 535 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: influencers interview other influencers. It just ends up being an 536 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: echo chamber, Whereas I would like to hear some of 537 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: these people speak, but to be interviewed by someone that's 538 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: a bit more partial, Yeah, someone who will actually hold 539 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: their comments to account or question them or dig a 540 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: little bit deeper. 541 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 3: He's so handsome, gorgeous, ripped and amazing that one of 542 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 3: these days soon one of these girls of the gym 543 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 3: muscle Mummies, whatever the fuck, is going to. 544 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 1: Steal him from me. Only Fans. Creator Mikayla Tester is 545 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: finally over her ex Adams Paul, declaring she's in love 546 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: after hard launching her new boyfriend on TikTok. I need 547 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,239 Speaker 1: to know how long ago was this breakup because I 548 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: feel like all the years have been merging together ever 549 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: since COVID. So they broke up, if you'll believe it, 550 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 1: almost two years ago. So it was June twenty twenty 551 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: two when news broke that they'd split. That blows my mind. 552 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,719 Speaker 1: It freaks me out how quickly time is flying. I 553 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: suppose it makes sense that it would take two years 554 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: to get over a serious relationship like that. It is 555 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: nice to see her happy with someone else. So, Sophie, 556 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: can you tell us more about who this guy is? 557 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: So his name is Max Kraus and he is also 558 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 1: an influencer. So on both TikTok and Instagram, he has 559 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: over three hundred and ninety thousand followers. He is a 560 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: gym Shark ambassador. He's ultra ripped. He almost looks like 561 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 1: an anime character, which is quite funny because Mikayla loves 562 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 1: anime and she said that she allways falls in love 563 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 1: with the anime characters, so he is definitely her type. 564 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: Let's throw to what Mikayla said about him. 565 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 3: I woke up this morning and I looked at the 566 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 3: man that was asleep next to me, and I sighed. 567 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 3: I sighed because he's so handsome, gorgeous, ripped and amazing guys. 568 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 3: I'm in love like I'm in love for real. 569 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 1: It is really nice to hear Mikayla sounds so genuinely happy. 570 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: You can just hear it in her voice that she's 571 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: beaming about this guy. It is really nice and I 572 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: can see why because he is her absolute type. Tuite. 573 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: It's quite cute because they've actually known each other for 574 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: two years. They've just been following each other on socials, 575 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: but they first met up in Japan only recently and 576 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: really hit things off. I do wonder what the longevity 577 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,719 Speaker 1: of this relationship is though, because Max is American and 578 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: they are going to face some serious issues actually spending 579 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: time together. Because Mikayla can't enter the US. She has 580 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 1: been detained and deported twice from America. 581 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 3: Now. 582 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: The most recent time she was to ported was due 583 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: to an accidental violation of her esther and that was 584 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: because she listed her employment as self employed rather than 585 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: lifting her job as an OnlyFans creator. And she did 586 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: end up being questioned by officers and she was asked 587 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: about who she was visiting in the US, about their businesses, 588 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: their money, and if they do anything illegal yeah, And 589 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: she was also asked if she had collaborated with anyone 590 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: in the US before, and she confirmed that she hadn't 591 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: and then moments later, the officer pulled up a Twitter 592 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 1: photo of Mikayla topless with a number of girls from 593 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 1: the US and then accused her of lying. And this 594 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,479 Speaker 1: is where things really escalated because she was then strip 595 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: searched and brought into another holding room where she was 596 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: kept for forty two hours. And at this point Mikayla 597 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: assumed that she was going to be deported and banned 598 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: from the US, and she'd heard stories about other sex 599 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: workers being banned for twenty years, so she was terrified. 600 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: And this is such a serious story, but I did 601 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: have to laugh because at the time, Mikayla admitted that 602 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: she started spiraling at the thought of no more American boys. 603 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: So she clearly has a type which is American guys. 604 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: Can you imagine flying all the way over from Australia 605 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: to the US and then just being denied entry. It 606 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: would be the absolute worst feeling. Well, particularly because it 607 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: was this time last year and she was supposed to 608 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: be going to Coachella and her pa ended up taking 609 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: her place and going along instead. Good for the pa. Yeah, 610 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: well that is where we're going to end things today. 611 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: But if you do want to hear more content from us, 612 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: we did drop a special subscriber episode yesterday, and there's 613 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: just been so much to talk about on the influencer front. 614 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: We decided to basically run it like our normal shows, 615 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: so we discussed Emma Clair's update on whether or not 616 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: she's coming back to social media. 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