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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily oz. It's Monday,

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Speaker 2: the twenty second of January. I'm Sam, I'm Zarah. Last week,

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Speaker 2: Awards season was in full swing as the world of

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Speaker 2: an important statement was released from production companies around the

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Speaker 2: of the money that Netflix, for example, may from Australian

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Speaker 3: A tropical cyclone is set to make landfall in Queensland

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Speaker 2: Let's get into today's episode. So Australia flaunted some huge

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Speaker 4: So it's a big week for film and TV around

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Speaker 6: Look, it's really been a big Australia first sort of

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Speaker 4: The government has released a five year plan it's called

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Speaker 4: So what do screen producers specifically want to see in

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Speaker 4: So we've talked about how screen producers want twenty percent

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Speaker 6: Look, it's a good start, and you know, I don't

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Speaker 6: There's some really incredible Australian productions coming out. I'm personally

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Speaker 5: Think really really works.

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Speaker 6: I also think we make really good reality TV, and

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Speaker 6: Master Chef, Love at First Sight. They are global hits

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Speaker 6: partly because they've been reconstructed by the Australians from what

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Speaker 6: It's a great book. People who don't know the book,

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