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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: the second of April. I'm Sam, I'm Billy. Yesterday, the

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Speaker 2: Chief Minister of the Northern Territory defended her government's decision

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Speaker 2: in place for another nine days and as for what

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Speaker 2: obviously quite an extreme measure and has garnered worldwide media attention,

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Speaker 2: all covering this story. On today's podcast, we're going to

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Speaker 2: go back and look at why there's a curfew and place.

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Speaker 2: first Billy What is making lines this morning.

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Speaker 1: Climate Change and Energy Minister Chris Bowen has defended taking

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Speaker 1: Tens of thousands of protesters in Israel have called for

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Speaker 2: And today's good news. The small eastern European country of

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Speaker 2: so Billy, take us back to last Wednesday. What was

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Speaker 1: So there were two things announced. The first was Eva Laula,

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Speaker 2: So you're not talking here just about like outside a

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Speaker 1: Literally, anyone inside that Alice Springs CBD would be in

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Speaker 2: So I've kind of started this discussion by talking about

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Speaker 1: To put it simply, youth crime, and that is not new.

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Speaker 2: So there's a spate of violence Allis Springs. The government

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Speaker 1: I mean, as you can imagine, people are really angry

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Speaker 2: And of course this is all against the context of

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Speaker 2: Where does the community stand on this?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as I said before, people are really angry. I

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Speaker 2: So she means there that because now there's a curfew

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Speaker 1: And she said that that contact between young people and

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know how many of those critics have

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Speaker 2: Okay, Billy, it's now been nearly a week since this

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Speaker 1: Well, the most recent update we got from police was

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Speaker 1: local communities because obviously they've done a press conference, they've

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Speaker 1: put out a press release, but not everyone has access

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Speaker 1: to the internet or to television or to the places

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Speaker 1: that the government has disseminated this information.

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Speaker 2: But I also feel like the announcements and press conferences

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Speaker 2: are often geared towards a political audience. Their policy speak,

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Speaker 2: their political speak. I mean, you went through the responses

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Speaker 2: from the opposition, for example, that's in a political world.

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Speaker 2: It's not exactly addressing the people of Alice Springs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, and that's exactly what they're being criticized for.

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Speaker 1: The government has said in response to that criticism that

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Speaker 1: there are Aboriginal liaison offices circulating to talk to community

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Speaker 1: members about the curfew. But I mean clearly that wasn't enough,

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Speaker 1: at least at the time that the ABC spoke to

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Speaker 2: And so my understanding here is that we don't yet

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Speaker 2: know what the government's plan will be once this curfew ends,

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Speaker 2: so we're going to have to keep a close eye

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Speaker 2: on that. Thank you, Billy for taking us through that,

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