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Speaker 1: He's the Minister for Territory Families, Robin Carl, Children and

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Speaker 1: Territory Families. I should say, Robin Carl, good morning to

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Speaker 1: your minister. Good morning, Katie, Thanks so much for your

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Speaker 3: Absolutely so.

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Speaker 2: Over the last eight weeks so I've been traveling across

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Speaker 3: Have done this. It's not the right thing thing, but

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Speaker 2: there's a chance that we might not have been having

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Speaker 1: Robert, I'll move along. I know that the Chief Minister

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Speaker 2: I think one of the things that we have to

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Speaker 3: But the Department are actually looking at that.

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Speaker 2: Now because we're very well aware that there are situations

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Speaker 2: So we've actually made a number of referrals already to

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Speaker 2: So what happens, which is very frustrating, there has been

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Speaker 1: Minister When you say eighty twenty, what exactly are you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so people who are on get a Center Link

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Speaker 3: So where we have kids who are.

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Speaker 2: In trouble and it's really obvious that the families are struggling,

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Speaker 1: I'll just take your cross to one last thing before

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Speaker 1: I let you go. This morning, I understand you've launched

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Speaker 2: So it was great to be there with Charlie King

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Speaker 1: It's a pretty dire situation, isn't it When there is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's terrible and that we're in this situation just

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Speaker 3: The new year.

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Speaker 1: Minister. One of the things that was raised last week

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Speaker 2: It's not something that's been discussed on the table, but

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Speaker 2: I think as the Chief has said, everything is up

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Speaker 2: for discussion. Every option needs to be investigated. And one

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Speaker 1: Hey, just lastly, sorry, I'll ask you, I've got a

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Speaker 3: It's horrendous stuff.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a lady being belted with a rock

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Speaker 2: I was down to Catherine last week and speaking to

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Speaker 3: We have to stop it before it starts.

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Speaker 2: I know that that doesn't mean that we still have

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Speaker 2: to keep going if we don't focus on stopping where

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Speaker 2: it starts, so that's why we're focusing on the kids

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Speaker 2: and if we do that then the other services will

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Speaker 1: Well. Robin Carl, Minister for Children and Families here in

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Speaker 1: really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Katie, thank you