1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Get a I'm Laala Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter, 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: and professional oversharer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure 3 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: because I believe it's a chance for us to learn, 4 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview 5 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as their lows, 6 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. Hello, 7 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: I've got to rip a guest for you today. The 8 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 1: Aussie legend that is George Calumbaris. He's alleged and can 9 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: I say, taught me so much about work ethic. I 10 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: already thought I had a pretty solid work ethic, but 11 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: just hearing this chat, I was like, oh my goodness, 12 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: Like I feel like I can do more. I think 13 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: if you have any kind of dream, whether it's related 14 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: to being a chef, or being a creative or literally anything, 15 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: I think you'll relate to this. He says that talent 16 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: without work ethic is like a tree without roots. I 17 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: think you're in a love it. We also talk about 18 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: conscious cooking. He's working with Blue Cookwar, so he teaches 19 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: me all about Forever chemicals. Trust me, you're gonna love 20 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: this chat. You're gonna learn loads George. You're a legend, 21 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: all right, legend. Thank you for jumping on this pod, 22 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: George Calum Barris. Do you know we probably met over 23 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: ten years ago? 24 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: Is that right? 25 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: Yeah? Do you want me to tell you where I 26 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: figured it out? I did a YouTube deep dive good 27 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: Food and Wine show, oh many moons ago. 28 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: Wow, do you remember what city that was? 29 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: Well? I toured. I toured with Toby Paddick on like 30 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: the health stage, the macro stage. But you guys always 31 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: had a better green room than us, and so we'd 32 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: always Toby would like sneak me in to your green room. 33 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: Because we tour it all over Australia. 34 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 2: You must have crossed. 35 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: Paths like a handful of times over like because I 36 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: did it for about four or five years. 37 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: There you go, there you go. Well it's not to 38 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: sit and have a chat. 39 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for doing this plot of Rooney 40 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: there is. You have such a wonderful career. You are 41 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: so celebrated. You have been described as gutsy, tenacious, creative, resilient, 42 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: and so I I want to start at that moment 43 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: when you're in year ten and you're like effort, I 44 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: think this is what I want to do. I'm going 45 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: to be a chef, And you made this deal with 46 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: your dad that you'd see out high school, but you 47 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: knew in your heart of hearts, this is what I 48 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: want to do. Can you share a little bit about 49 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: not even that much? But was it a was it 50 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,959 Speaker 1: a penny drop moment or was it like a cumulative 51 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 1: thing from watching family members? What was it for you? 52 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: I don't think it was, like you know, I just love. 53 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 3: Being in the kitchen cooking with Mum because none of 54 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 3: that happened Mum even to this day, Like she's coming 55 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 3: down on Sunday on Friday night and off flying from Sydney, 56 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 3: and she's already told me what she's going to cook, 57 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 3: and I know, don't even argue with her because that's 58 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 3: what you're getting. And I just go, you know what, 59 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 3: I'm in her hands and I love it. 60 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: But I just I don't know what happened that that 61 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: penny dropped, mate. I don't know. I was no good 62 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 2: at I wasn't good at anything. Really. 63 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 3: I was a pretty awful sportsperson. School was a disaster, 64 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 3: a training wreck. I was good at organizing, like the 65 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 3: formal after parties. You know, that's probably about it, but 66 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 3: I just loved people. I think that's the bit that 67 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 3: you know, I love I love humans. And that was 68 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 3: the moment, you know, exactly that I spoke to Dad 69 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 3: and Dad said, yeah, no worries. You got me school though, 70 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 3: which I think was a good thing because I've got 71 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 3: to have my mates and who are still you know, 72 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 3: five of us are still like that. And then you know, 73 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 3: I worked part time during eleven and twelve. You a 74 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 3: little local past the place washing pots and pans, and 75 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 3: that was the start. 76 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: And was that faster past. 77 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 2: It was in build high. 78 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I just dreamt I would look out 79 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 3: wash with my big pink gloves on plastic gaber and 80 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 3: washing the pots and pants, looking out through the window 81 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 3: the back of the kitchen. He jeez, I want to 82 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 3: one day be one of those chefs with a tall 83 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 3: hat on, and you know, and yeah, and everything I think, anything. 84 00:04:58,880 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 2: That I do to do. 85 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 3: Even still today, I still dream a bit like that. 86 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 3: There'll be moments where I'm gazing out or looking forward, 87 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,239 Speaker 3: you know. And you know, and I say it every 88 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 3: single day. I'm one of the luckiest humans on earth. 89 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 3: Not let's put aside my beautiful family that are healthy 90 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 3: and all of that, But to wake up every morning 91 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 3: and not go to work is pretty special. 92 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 2: I wake up. 93 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 3: Every morning and I just you know, I get to 94 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 3: live this incredible life that is full of your title. 95 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 3: You know, a lot a lot of falling, but a 96 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 3: lot of When you do achieve it, it tastes. 97 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: So much better. 98 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I like, I love you. Even just talking 99 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: to you now when you say, lah, I wasn't really 100 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: good at school, you do feel like and researching you, 101 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: it feels like I'm talking to a creative And it's 102 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: interesting because I think when we think of chefs, we 103 00:05:55,279 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: often think, especially with the beautiful history you've got with restaurants, 104 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: you kind of think entrepreneur as well. But I think 105 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: there's something so creative about you, and I feel like 106 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: I could be wrong, so tell me if I'm wrong. 107 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: But I feel like you're a passion driven person. Like 108 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: you said, say it's about people, But would you say 109 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: that like you're you kind of chase. This is going 110 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: to sound really hippie. I'm a yoga teacher as well, 111 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: so I love getting esoteric and hippie. But is there 112 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: like a little spark or fire in your heart and 113 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: it keeps you kind of like constantly evolving, constantly chasing. 114 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: You seem like a passionate based person, like passion is 115 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: your key. 116 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if you hit the nail on the head. 117 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 3: I think as a chef with two types of well, 118 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 3: we're many different humans. We can be you know, psychologists 119 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 3: one day, electrician the next, and a kitchen hand the 120 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 3: next nub. But ultimately I see myself as a process 121 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 3: person because without repetition and process, a bit like a 122 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 3: great tennis player, if you don't keep hitting that ball 123 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 3: ten thousand hours, whatever it is, you're never going to 124 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 3: be great it it doesn't matter. You know, Talent without 125 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 3: hard work is you know, like a tree without roots, 126 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 3: It's just a piece of wood. 127 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: I've written that quote down. 128 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 2: And I say that constantly because I don't care. 129 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 3: If you can put the dish up once and it 130 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 3: looks sexy and it's amazing and it's creative, you've got 131 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 3: to do it every night, seven days a week, lunch 132 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 3: your dinner during sixty days year. 133 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 2: So consistency is important. 134 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 3: But there's then that art side of what we do, 135 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 3: which is something I love, and creativity of what I 136 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:41,119 Speaker 3: put on a plate comes with lots of things. Comes 137 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 3: with you know, your past, your present, the people around you, 138 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 3: the time of the year, the seasonality. It's so many 139 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 3: factors that play this part that make things super special. 140 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 3: It's just in India with Matt and Garry last month 141 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 3: cooking to an Indian audience. So you still want to 142 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 3: you want to represent who you are, but respect the 143 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 3: fact that seventy eighty percent of them are vegetarians. 144 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: Great challenge accepted, Let's go. You know, it's wonderful. 145 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: You touched on something that I love. It feels like 146 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: there's this like skill side or like technical kind of 147 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: like craft side of that, like get the hours in, 148 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: learn learn, like do your apprenticeship all of that that 149 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: like kind of like tenacity kind of piece, and then 150 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: there is this artist kind of piece. And it sounds 151 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: like you have that balance of both. But like which 152 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: came first. Was it like, Okay, when you're in your tennent, 153 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, this is the dream I'm gonna. I'm 154 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 1: gonna you know, like you said, start it faster to past, 155 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: you like go dound the skill path. And then when 156 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: this when did this kind of like creativity, like the 157 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: artist side come in for you? Was it there like 158 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 1: a moment or was it just like they developed together simat. 159 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 2: I think it's that they was sort of, you know, 160 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 2: a bit like a two horse race. 161 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 4: And even still to this day, it's a two horse race, 162 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 4: you know, because you know, I'm still discovering new techniques 163 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 4: or new ideas that I need to refine to then 164 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 4: be able to execute that artistry. 165 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: And you know, as a young chef, you know, I 166 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 2: always say to young chefs. 167 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 3: Now, you know, in a way, I really hate social 168 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 3: media for food because I love it. 169 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 2: And hate it to double edged sort. 170 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 3: I hate it because I see people following each other 171 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 3: and you know, fermenting, oh, let's all for men, we're 172 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 3: doing this, let's all do that. 173 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: We're using Barada, let's all use barata, which I hate. 174 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 3: And I keep saying to young chefs, don't be afraid 175 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 3: to fail on the plate, because through those failures will 176 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 3: come the genius, you know, and if you keep trying 177 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 3: to be you know, straight back in everything you do, 178 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 3: you're never going to have that moment where you're going 179 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 3: to hit that six, you know, and you've got to 180 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 3: you've got to have all those you know, A great menu, 181 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 3: a great chef is like a great orchestra. All the 182 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 3: instruments need to be singing in the same tone whatever. 183 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 3: You know what remember that is so. 184 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: It sounds amazing and through that you're going to have 185 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 2: some issues, You're gonna have some failures, You're gonna have 186 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 2: some burned dishes, so to speak. 187 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: You know, Oh, I love it. I love that you're 188 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: sharing that you've got to be able to willing to 189 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: like to essentially eff it up before it you get 190 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: the win. 191 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 3: But it's also important that we don't forget that graft 192 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 3: and hard work is mandatory, like everyone's to get to 193 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 3: the top of the mountain, you know, and be a 194 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 3: CEO at the age of twenty five. Just don't worry 195 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 3: about the two things I've never worried about. 196 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 2: A title and money their byproducts. 197 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 3: So their byproducts of hard work and authenticity and being 198 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 3: being you, you know, and be authentic to you and 199 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 3: constantly pushing yourself to where your greatness where you want 200 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 3: to get to. I'll never get to greatness, but I 201 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 3: will strive to get as close to perfection. We'll never 202 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 3: get there. 203 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: I love the way that you have this like in 204 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: build work ethic, and I think in some in some 205 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: cases it can be kind of rare. And I'm sure 206 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 1: you've seen people succeed and then kind of like, you know, fail. 207 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: Like there's a saying a friend of mine is an agent, 208 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: and she said, if you stand on the banks of 209 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: the river for long enough, you see the bodies float by, 210 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: as in, like, if you're in the game long enough, 211 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: you're going to watch people succeed and fail. And if 212 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: you've got that like backbone of work ethic and resilience, 213 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: you're going to be able to withstand the fire. You're 214 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: going to be able to just like watch watch the fails, 215 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: like whether they're yours, whether there are other people's, and 216 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: just like stay true and as you said, stay authentic. 217 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 1: But I want to ask a bit about where your 218 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 1: work ethic came from, because I do think it's a 219 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 1: gift and I have a feeling it might be from dad, 220 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: the family supermarketing, Noble Park. Is there something to that? 221 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, one, And you know it's Dad passed away last year, 222 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 3: so you know he's all more than ever, he's. 223 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 2: You know the little I can hear him in my 224 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 2: head now it's even worse, which is great, which is great, 225 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 2: and just Dad And that was probably the hardest thing 226 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 2: and something I remind myself with my kids now is 227 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 2: that even on our day off, Dad would look at 228 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 2: us and go what are you doing and be like. 229 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 3: To day on, no, no it, movement, don't sit there, 230 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 3: don't burn light. You're burning light, you know. And I 231 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 3: think I've now got a bit of a balance of 232 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 3: that because also know it's okay to wake up on 233 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 3: a Sunday morning and go, you know what, I'm not 234 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 3: going to go to the gym. 235 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 2: I'm just going to stick my rug boots on and 236 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 2: sit on the couch. It's okay. 237 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 3: Don't feel guilty, George, It's okay, and have a bit 238 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 3: of you know, time for that mind to watch whatever 239 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 3: you're watching, you know, a series on Netflix, or the 240 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 3: dumb stuff, the chewing gum for the eyes that our 241 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 3: brain needs. 242 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 2: Some of us need it in different ways. 243 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 3: But you know, on Monday morning, you wake up, you 244 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 3: go and hit the squash ball, you eat well, you 245 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 3: put that structure in that you've got to have to 246 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 3: be successful. And you know, if I do I look 247 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 3: after myself first and foremost, how do I look after 248 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 3: my family? 249 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 2: And then how do I look at the team? And 250 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 2: then so yeah, we're ethics been in there since day one. 251 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 2: My brother and my sister were all the same. 252 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 3: You know, But I think there's a little bit more 253 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 3: balanced these days, that's for sure. 254 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. 255 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: Well, I also think it's so fascinating whenever I meet 256 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: someone that has had this this high intense career, especially 257 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 1: coming through the years, because that you were a sophoatel 258 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: was that where your first and and Gary got you 259 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: on board, right, But you hear these stories of like 260 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: that initial part of a chef's career, it being grueling, 261 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: it being brutal, it been like crazy hours and like 262 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: that real and I don't know if it's like euro specific, 263 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: but like that real hard us kind of like you 264 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: work until you fall in a heap, kind of like mentality. 265 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: Did you experience that when. 266 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 3: I sit between the old world and the New world, 267 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 3: probably at that sort of age where I could and 268 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 3: you know, young chefs, I can understand now, like you know, 269 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 3: twenty five year old chefs as a forty five year old, 270 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 3: but also I understand the old world. I what I 271 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 3: can say is there's a lot of conversation at the 272 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 3: moment here in I was about workplace harassment blah. 273 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: Blah blah, and a lot of it. 274 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 3: You know, I'm very very strict when it comes to 275 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 3: all that type of stuff. 276 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 2: But I have to admit, and I was saying. 277 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 3: To a group of HOSPO people friends of mine who 278 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 3: are just having a chat, We're going, guys, it's never 279 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 3: been as good like the kitchen is one of the one. 280 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 3: It's a very calm place now in comparison to what 281 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 3: it was like twenty years ago. It was horrible, and 282 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 3: then when I went to London it was just brutal. 283 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 3: It was highly abusive, high octane, aggressive testosterone, all of that. 284 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 2: And you know what I'm and I reckon. 285 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 3: You know, when I started as my first head chet gig, 286 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 3: I was probably a bit of a dick as well, 287 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 3: you know. 288 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 2: And now I'm. 289 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 3: Very very conscientious about the way we act and our 290 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 3: demeanor within within our our safe haven, which is the 291 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 3: place you come to, which is the kitchen at the 292 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 3: front of house, whatever that might be, the bar, you know. 293 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 2: It should be a wonderful place. 294 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 3: Yes, I like to have a laugh at a joke, 295 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 3: but it should always be respectful. 296 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 2: And you know what, we'll make mistakes. 297 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 3: I say something stupid sometimes to someone and I'll just 298 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 3: go ship why did I say that? For go and 299 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 3: grab and apologize, sort it out. It's okay, we're all 300 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 3: human beings and we. 301 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: Get on with That's good self awareness. That's really good 302 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: self awareness. Like a lot of people don't have that 303 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: ability to be like, ugh, shouldn't have done that, And 304 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: they like the fact that you can know if you 305 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: slip up and be like yeah, be able to call 306 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: out your own bs essentially is really that's a testing. 307 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 3: I think that's important. It's important that we're not we're 308 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 3: not robots. We're going to make mistakes. We're going to 309 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 3: say something stupid, We're going to do something stupid. 310 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 2: You know. And I get then nanny country we live in, it's. 311 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 3: Okay, guys, just talk talk, don't get me, don't condone, 312 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 3: you know, physical none of that stuff is right. 313 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 2: Talk to each other, you know, and sort of out 314 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 2: like we're human beings. But yeah, it was brutal back then. 315 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 2: But it's so much better now, that's for sure. 316 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 3: Mmm. 317 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: I from what I can gather about you, it feels 318 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: like your mo O in life in your career, should 319 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: I say, is to be of service to humans. That 320 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: kind of feels like that is kind of the thing 321 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: that wakes you up in the morning and like is 322 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: almost like you're invisible accountability, buddy. That's like, here we go. 323 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: This is why we do what we do. Would you 324 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: say that that is true. 325 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 2: I'm a servant, There's no question about. I'm a servant 326 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 2: and I love it and I love doing it, and I. 327 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 3: Love I love seeing that instant gratification and upon a 328 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 3: human that we can do as hospitality people, which is 329 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 3: pretty beautiful. You've come in, you've had an argument with 330 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 3: your boyfriend. You know we could see it. We know 331 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 3: it because we do it every day. And then we 332 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 3: suddenly take the two of you on a journey and 333 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 3: we put join. 334 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 2: To your lives and you walk out happy. That's the 335 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 2: reason why you come to a restaurant, a cafe. 336 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 3: It's to get all of those worries outside of those doors. 337 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 3: It's to come and you know, feel your hearts and 338 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 3: souls in. Always say, I'm not here to feed your stomachs. 339 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 3: I'm here to feed your souls. You know, if I can, 340 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 3: I love that do that. 341 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 2: We won you know, we really are. 342 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 3: You know, especially now, people are definitely doing it financially tough. 343 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 3: You know, every bit of their dollar counts, and I 344 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 3: say it even more now, even more, we've got to 345 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 3: be more on give those people more, make them feel 346 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 3: more special because it's tough out there for them. 347 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, undred percent. I'm living in Los Angeles at 348 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,959 Speaker 1: the moment, and I'm like, whoa, the like the just 349 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: the cost of even a coffee here is like fourteen 350 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: dollars when you convert it back, and you're like, and 351 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: it's not as good as Melbourne coffee. I'll tell you 352 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: that much for free. 353 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 2: You go. 354 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: But obviously I can't have you on without asking about 355 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: master chef, Like I my memories of you and even 356 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: when we were both doing the good food and wine, 357 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: so you guys had this like and I mean this 358 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: in the best possible way, but like people were going 359 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: mental over you, like it was like this rock star 360 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: status almost And what an epic journey an adventure to 361 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: go on? Like was it eleven seasons over one hundred 362 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: and twenty countries, Like what a journey? I love hearing 363 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: the audition like process. I had no idea that you 364 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: even auditioned for thought somebody just was like, okay, he's 365 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: been chef for the year, like and hand plucked you. 366 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 1: But you literally had to audition. 367 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 3: I had no idea what I was getting myself into. 368 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 3: To tell the truth, I actually had no idea what 369 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 3: the show was. It was only on in the UK, 370 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 3: and funny enough, at the time Natalie, I said, I've 371 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 3: been asked to audition for the show, and she goes, 372 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 3: what is it? And I told her master Chef. She goes, 373 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 3: oh my god, I watched the UK really go anyway, 374 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 3: So I went along and there was about a hundred 375 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:35,959 Speaker 3: of us auditioning, and yeah, next minute they're moving us around, 376 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 3: shuffling of us with different combinations to see what worked. 377 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 3: And I'm with Gary, who I've known for now, you know, 378 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 3: gave me my apprenticeship, worked for him at the so 379 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 3: Hotel for four years and then moved with him to 380 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 3: Phoenix for another three years, so you know, I knew 381 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 3: him better than his wife knew him. 382 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,719 Speaker 2: And yeah, they next minute, I got this gig. And 383 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 2: I had no. 384 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 3: Idea what I was getting myself into, honest, no freaking idea. 385 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 3: And the unfortunate thing about television, no one in television 386 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 3: teaches you not about how to be in front of 387 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 3: a camera. 388 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 2: Because I was just being George authentic talk about food, 389 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 2: which I know. 390 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 3: If you start me in astronaut suit to talk about, 391 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 3: you know, the moon, I'm going to sit there and 392 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 3: choke up. I don't want to talk about talking about 393 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 3: what I are like it's yeah, and I'm with people. 394 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: I used to love watching you. You had this bounce 395 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: you if you were excited, you'd like bounce. Yeah, I 396 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: remember that. But hang on, So wasn't the show shot 397 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: in Sydney, but you the fan Bam You had two 398 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: restaurants at that stage, all in Melbourne. Yeah, so you 399 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: do Monday to Friday SIDS and then jump on a 400 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 1: flight go back to Melbourne. You did you even sleep? 401 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 2: No? 402 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 1: Like no, Yeah, that. 403 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 2: Was a wild delivering ears where I holidays where you 404 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 2: know what it was. 405 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 3: In a way, it's an evil necessity. It grabs you, 406 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 3: It's like, and that's why I'm very I'm in a 407 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 3: really beautiful place right now because I've got on this 408 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 3: hamster wheel where you know, you suddenly you're doing everything. 409 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 2: Yet I'll go and yep, we'll go, I'll go there, 410 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 2: present there, I'll go and do that. There. We're filming 411 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 2: here opening another restaurant, opening another restaurant, opening another restaurant. 412 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 2: So you get on this hamster wheel that you know it. 413 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 3: Can get on top of you. But I wouldn't trade 414 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 3: those eleven years for anything. It was bloody amazing. I 415 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 3: had the best time. And just now I see Matt 416 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,719 Speaker 3: Gary and I we've got a little project in India 417 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 3: where we go back. 418 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 2: We shoot a show over there and do some live 419 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 2: shows and stuff and we have a ball. But I 420 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,479 Speaker 2: mean we shoot. We shoot this show called The Ultimate 421 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 2: Home Chef of India and it's it's like two days. 422 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 3: Of shooting and by the end of the two days, 423 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 3: we're like, I'm so tired. You know, like people go 424 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 3: to you miss Mastership, I go, nah, I just missed 425 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 3: the people I worked with and the contestants. Sadder now, 426 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 3: like out of those eleven years, majority of them on 427 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 3: my colleagues talk to you know, Matt Sinclair is about 428 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 3: to open his new restaurants. 429 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 2: We're literally on the phone every second day for the. 430 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 3: Last month, bought in menus and giving him my thoughts 431 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 3: on stuff, and you know, being that sounding board and 432 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 3: that I really love that that that I've got that 433 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 3: real beautiful connection with a lot of them, you know, 434 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 3: Sarah Todd, I've got to shoot a show that I'm 435 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 3: called hungry, and we had an absolute ball and you know, 436 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 3: she's a superstar. And again she'll go, you know, George 437 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 3: was my mentor, and I go, can you stop it. 438 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 3: I'm not your mentor. I'm George, your friend, colleague. You 439 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 3: know that's who I am. 440 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: How nice. So that's that's a testament to how much 441 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 1: he would have felt supported by you. So I think 442 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: that that's a beautiful compliment. 443 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I love them dearly. The great thing is 444 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 2: about the show. 445 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 3: Matt Garry and I weren't told to get that contestant 446 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 3: on because they fit a certain demo vision. 447 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 2: It was like, we're like the fucking Parfia and if 448 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 2: you're a dickhead, you're going to get clipped around the ears. 449 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 2: And it was great. 450 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 3: All the camera boys were our mates, so in some 451 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 3: of them would go and do the morning wake ups. 452 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 2: Don't see them in the morning, and I'd know if 453 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 2: blah blah blah was being a dick to someone being 454 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 2: a bit of a bully, they'd get a little sit 455 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 2: down from Uncle George. 456 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 3: So just don't tolerated. Don't tolerate bullies. I don't tolerate 457 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 3: nasty people. And the show was always about, Yeah, push 458 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 3: each other. 459 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 2: I'm going to beat you. I want to beat That's okay. 460 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 2: Competition is great. 461 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 3: Be respectful of that person, and you know you support 462 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 3: your fellow you know your fellow combatant in ways. 463 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: Still be a good fear. At the end of the 464 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: day you had, Yeah, like it was eleven years of that. 465 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: I've got to ask, was there like a fate? Is 466 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: there a moment that sticks in your head or just 467 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: like there are so many beautiful clips on YouTube of 468 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: like and and so much of it felt like you 469 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: would like as the show got bigger and bigger, you're 470 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: all over the world, You're getting the chefs in from 471 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 1: all over the world, you know what I mean? There 472 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: is so I imagine you probably can't pinpoint one moment, 473 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: But is there a memory that was just a highlight 474 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: for you that you could share? 475 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 2: She says. I think that's the problem is too many. 476 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 2: You know, we're standing film with the Dalai Lama. I mean, 477 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 2: what one incredible human and I'm I wouldn't say I'm religious, 478 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 2: but I you know, I love all types of faith. 479 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 2: You know that means, you know, standing there with. 480 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 3: King Charles at the time he was he wasn't the 481 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 3: king back then, but you know, regardless of what you 482 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 3: think about the monarchy, and. 483 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 2: It was pretty cool. 484 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 3: But you know all the incredible chefs globally that are 485 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 3: now my mates, you know, you know, it's that's the 486 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 3: master chef gave me. This created this new friendship group 487 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 3: that I never in my wildest dreams I thought I'm 488 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 3: going to now be. 489 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 2: You know, I was Marco. 490 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 3: P a white who was idol as a young chef 491 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 3: and then meeting to then becoming a friend to then. 492 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 3: You know, recently I've had to go and do a 493 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 3: tasting for him in Sydney of a range of meals 494 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 3: because he can't be here, you know, and he's gone 495 00:26:58,920 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 3: to them. 496 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 2: I want, I want, I want my boy to go 497 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 2: and taste them. And it's like, oh, that's pretty cool, 498 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 2: Like yeah, so many you know, I'm on a boat. 499 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 3: We raised money for a chef called Macalinski who lost 500 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 3: his family and a fire, and Antonio Carluccio, the late Antonio, 501 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 3: a legend, you know, to travel on the you know, 502 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 3: on a boat trip from Amsterdam to Budapest raising money 503 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 3: for a great cause but also hanging out with a legend. 504 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 2: There's so many omens. 505 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 3: Yes, this is so many cools that I go, Yeah, 506 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 3: that's pretty cool. 507 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty amazing. 508 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: Oh my friend, thank you for sharing. I have to 509 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 1: ask you as somebody that I feel like you wear 510 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 1: your heart on your sleeve. You've had so many highs, 511 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: but you've also taken hits and publicly as well, Like, 512 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: is there any because I always think, and that's why 513 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: this part is called phils failing because I think it's 514 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: such an opportunity. The failures suck, like obviously when you're 515 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: in them, but they are also opportunities to like kind 516 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: of like face the music, learn grow, remedy that failure 517 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: in some way, whether it's skill up, whether it's like 518 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: change a team, whether it's like bringing on people that 519 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: can help your remedy stuff. What's something you're comfortable sharing 520 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: that felt like there's. 521 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 2: Nothing to high? 522 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I mean public public knowledge is public knowledge, 523 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 3: you know. 524 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 2: I guess the only. 525 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,959 Speaker 3: Bit I hated about that the whole events of twenty seventeen. 526 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 2: I think it was with the. 527 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 3: With when we when we reported the underpayments and over payments. 528 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, right's about because it's not you. 529 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 3: Know, the headline of wage thief sounds better than a 530 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 3: George and his team found a problem and they fixed it. 531 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 3: You know, they paid, They paid for it out of 532 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 3: their pocket. And why are five hundred and fifty of 533 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 3: his team still with him? 534 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 2: You know? 535 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 3: I mean that, but in saying that, and it's easy 536 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 3: now after the storm, but it's was probably one of 537 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 3: the most important. 538 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 2: Lessons in my career thus far. 539 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 3: You know, failure was something I didn't really get. I 540 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 3: understood it from not getting the dish right because that 541 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 3: was me judging me and the consumer judging me as well, 542 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 3: which I love because that's the business on me, either 543 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 3: you like my music or not. 544 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 2: You know, no, very quickly. 545 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 3: But that was brutal because that effected not only me massively, 546 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 3: but my team, my family, you know, the growers, the producers, 547 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 3: the families that place was feeding. It was five hundred 548 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 3: and fifty eight teen members, you know, so it did. 549 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 3: But what you do is come out of it. You 550 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 3: walk through that storm, there's no question about it. You 551 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 3: accept you've got to purge, you pull, you pulling new levers. 552 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 2: On your body and your mind. You know. 553 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 3: I spent I spent three days, night and day with 554 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 3: Johnny Pollard, who taught me how to meditate, and it 555 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 3: was one of the really one of the most incredible, 556 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 3: and I say it to all young chefs now, I 557 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 3: learn how to go and learn how to meditate. 558 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 2: Not not the app go and get you know, learn 559 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 2: how to do it. 560 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 3: And that was you know, even though at the moment, 561 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 3: I'm being a bit slack with it, and it's okay 562 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 3: to be but you know, I feel that's one of 563 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 3: the most important, especially when you start gaining things called anxiety. 564 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 2: I never had anxiety until all these events. Yeah, you know, 565 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 2: we're human, we're human beings. You know, there's only so 566 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 2: many smacks you can take. 567 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 3: But what I do love now is the noise doesn't 568 00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 3: bother me anymore. I just I've become that fucking resilient. 569 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 3: And don't get me wrong, I'll have a sook to 570 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 3: my inner sanctum, but. 571 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 2: They're my But yeah, you know, I know, I wake. 572 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 3: Up in the morning and go I've got another opportunity. 573 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 3: The sun's come up, I'm breathing. 574 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 2: I can go out there and influence now, especially with 575 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 2: all the what what happened, I can influence all of 576 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 2: these young chefs to look out for this worry about that, 577 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 2: how do you check that have you done this? 578 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 3: And also surrounding yourself with super users, people that are 579 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 3: better than you in certain areas. That's something is being 580 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 3: really really really important because I can't do it all, 581 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 3: and I thought I could. I thought I had a 582 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 3: cape on the back of my. 583 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 4: Back, and you know from T George H Well, I'm not. 584 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 2: I'm George the human being, and I make mistakes, you 585 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 2: know that's lot. 586 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: I love that you shaid about Johnny Pollard and meditation, 587 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: though I did not know that about you, and I 588 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: think I'm lucky. I've cross paths of Johnny pod many 589 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: a time being in the health and wellness world. 590 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 2: Ah. 591 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: I just think you two now knowing that you tube 592 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: like he did that with you, because that's TM meditation, right, 593 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: you're doing the twenty minutes morning, twenty minutes evening when 594 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: you're on. I'm also trained under his little fan Bam 595 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: as well. And it's such a great thing to having 596 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: your toolkit to help you stay balanced and calm when 597 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: you do feel like you're in those stormy moments, because 598 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody gets to skip the stormy moments 599 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: of life, like things are gonna go pair shaped every 600 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: now and then, but having that kind of like you 601 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: were probably already a very resilient person, you feel super resilient, 602 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: but like also having that like away to look after 603 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: your mental and emotional health when it feels like your 604 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: back's up against the wall is a probably I imagine a 605 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: game changer to moving through something uncomfortable. 606 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 2: And I'll never forget that third day. 607 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 3: It was like someone had taken a soft drink and 608 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 3: it was just it just and then it just went 609 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:10,959 Speaker 3: and I just literally cried. 610 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 2: I was I was crying, not. 611 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 3: Even knowing I was crying, and it was just all 612 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 3: coming out, you know, and it was it was a 613 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 3: pretty powerful moment. 614 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 2: The moment I won't forget, you know. And and you know, 615 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 2: it's taught me also that it's okay to be roulnerable. 616 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 2: It's okay to you. I've always been. 617 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 3: An emotional human, you know, I'm you know, I'm an 618 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 3: emotional type of person, right, But I think that was 619 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 3: the moment where I've gone, yeah, I know I'm a resilient, 620 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 3: but it's okay to put your hand up. It's okay 621 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 3: to have some of your belt to get through your 622 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 3: ship times because you're going to go through, especially those 623 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 3: that hang out in the arena. There is that in 624 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 3: the bleachers, throwing, you know, boys at others. You keep 625 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 3: doing that, my friend, I'm glad I can keep you 626 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 3: busy doing that. 627 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: I'm not going to Yeah, ah, my friend, you're so inspiring. 628 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 1: I have to ask you about conscious cooking. And I 629 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: have been lucky enough to be sent a bunch of 630 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 1: amazing blue products and we're obsessed. Not only does our 631 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: food taste better? Can I say I'm so lucky. I'm 632 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: dating an Italian, so he is the main cook of 633 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: our household, and we were like, oh my god, our 634 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: roast veggies taste so much better. So I have to 635 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: ask you what made you want to get involved? Share 636 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,280 Speaker 1: a little bit about blue And I've got a million 637 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: questions about it because I am like a health nerd 638 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: with this kind of stuff, So I know. It's been 639 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: a seven year prob. 640 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it sort of got ramped up during COVID 641 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 2: because we had nothing else to do. And I've always 642 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 2: been obsessed with. 643 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 3: The blue zones of the world, been one of them 644 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 3: obviously in Greece and Okinawa and dinner and blah blah blah. 645 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 2: I love that. 646 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 3: But the why do these people live for so long? 647 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 3: And you know, food is definitely part of that. 648 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 2: And I love the idea of an eighty twenty diet, 649 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:17,720 Speaker 2: eighty percent plant, twenty percent you know, seafood, meat, whatever 650 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 2: that might be. 651 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 3: But you know, I just look at and it was, okay, 652 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 3: how do we we're all talking about, Oh my god, 653 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 3: I went and got this grain fed a sixty day. 654 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 2: Dry blind blah blah blah blah blah. Make it. 655 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 3: Only you throw it into a grill pan that's full 656 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 3: of chemicals, you know, bad chemicals, and then you're just 657 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 3: ingesting it into the food and then you're digesting it. 658 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 3: I've always been when I come from, you know, obviously 659 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 3: growing up in an ethnic family. And I'm not saying 660 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 3: just ethnic, but you know, I look at my in 661 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 3: laws and we were there yesterday for Father's Day and 662 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 3: they're three sixty in their house, chickens in the backyard, vegetables, honey. 663 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 3: Garage is full of food in jars, you know, done 664 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 3: at the right time, and you know, simple things like 665 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 3: we all know if you've used a jar that you 666 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,399 Speaker 3: might have had pickles in it, wash it and keep 667 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 3: it aside. 668 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 2: Because my father in law uses it like. 669 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 3: Everything gets used and it's just you know, I don't 670 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 3: know why we're so we've got to recycle. 671 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 2: Well shouldn't that just be part of our lives? 672 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 3: The way we do things, Like we don't write it, 673 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 3: you know, like plastic annoys me, noise the shit out 674 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 3: of me. 675 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 2: And that was one thing about Blue. 676 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 3: With the packaging, there's no plastic. It's all fits him, beautiful, 677 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 3: it feels nice. I wanted to look sexyer. I want 678 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 3: it to look good. 679 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 2: You know, like take a leaf out of the Italians. 680 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 3: They make everything frickin' amazing, so beautiful, and you know, 681 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 3: having some incredible other chefs around supporting it, you know, 682 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 3: Curtis down your way, he's been a massive supporter of Blue, 683 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 3: and you know, so, yeah, we're really proud of it. 684 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 3: It's taken a long time, but it's it's beautiful. It's 685 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:14,760 Speaker 3: really beautiful product. 686 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,319 Speaker 1: Can you teach me a bit about so I being 687 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 1: a nutritionist, I have, I'm pretty anti like yucky chemicals, 688 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 1: but I loved reading about like not love. I guess 689 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: I loved educating myself. But this idea of like forever chemicals, 690 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 1: so they're using things like BPA's correct me if I 691 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: say any of this wrong. By the way, PF, pfos, 692 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: PFA's o's like there's all these abbreviations, but that stuff 693 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 1: is like super toxic, right, And that's what's in so much, 694 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:46,360 Speaker 1: so much cookware. 695 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 2: It's at that moment, you know, I say it to friends, 696 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 2: They go, do you reckon? This is good? Is it 697 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,320 Speaker 2: in a packet? I go, yeah? Has it got words 698 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 2: on the back that you don't understand? Yeah? Well they 699 00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 2: don't eat it. 700 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,399 Speaker 1: I mean I always yeah, I already did. 701 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 2: I'm with it. 702 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 3: You can go down the organic group, or you can 703 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 3: go down the route that is mass produced obviously got pesticides, 704 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 3: blah blah blah. 705 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 2: That's your choice, which way you want to go? What 706 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 2: you Yeah, right, I'm not going to knock. 707 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 3: But yet, like I can't believe some of the start 708 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,359 Speaker 3: in in this teplon. 709 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 2: Bake wear products. And I won't lie it's taken. 710 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,399 Speaker 3: It's probably in the last you know, five years, I've 711 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 3: really learnt about it. When the past I had was 712 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 3: a bit oblivious to it and didn't really know. As 713 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 3: you're scraping the bottom of your pan with your wooden spoon, 714 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 3: you're just scraping all that. 715 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 2: Junk, you know, that that yuckiness into into the. 716 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 3: Cook So in a way, in Layman's terms, with blue, 717 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 3: what we what we wanted to try and do is 718 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 3: create a non stick. 719 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 2: And this morning I took it the little pan out, 720 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 2: I sprayed. 721 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 3: It with little olive, all two eggs in there and 722 00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,399 Speaker 3: gently cooked, you know. 723 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:06,800 Speaker 2: To eggs. It's an avocado toast and some uh sour crowd. 724 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 2: I love sour crowd. 725 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 1: Ah, same, it's super food. 726 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 2: Super food. 727 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 3: But you know, if you put the blue under a microscope, 728 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 3: you look at the actual you look at the actual surface. 729 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 3: It's based on the lotus leave. 730 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,239 Speaker 2: If you take a load really drop water on it, 731 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 2: it beeds correct because. 732 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 3: Slight concaves low to release. Now, obviously you've got to 733 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 3: care for it. It's not something like it's natural, so 734 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 3: you know you've got to care for it, look after it. 735 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 3: But jees it's it's it's such a good feeling as 736 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,399 Speaker 3: I tiped those two eggs onto onto my toast and went, 737 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 3: oh that's a good frypad. 738 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,720 Speaker 1: Oh no, you have fully converted us. At our family 739 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 1: here in La, we're just we're so excited. This is 740 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,360 Speaker 1: all we cook on now. We've we literally gave away 741 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: all our other pots and fans as soon as it arrived. 742 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 1: So thank you so much. I have to ask you 743 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 1: for the listeners that this might be new to them 744 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 1: hearing about blue. Do you have a favorite product or 745 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 1: a hero product? If if someone's like, I want to 746 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: make a switch. I've heard you say before. It's not 747 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,399 Speaker 1: like you need to buy like twenty different. 748 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 2: Things set of stuff, but you don't need, you know, 749 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,880 Speaker 2: invest in the fry pan first. I think it's centimeter 750 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 2: the tell the tell. Yeah, start with that one. Get 751 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:36,879 Speaker 2: confident with that, feel it. 752 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 3: The other thing is, yeah, it needs most people go 753 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 3: and put gas or I don't cook on gas. 754 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 2: I'm off the gritty here at home, but you know, 755 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 2: cook on induction. 756 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 3: I only put mine to like number five out of 757 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 3: ten because it so much better get your cot and 758 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 3: stuff like that. 759 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,359 Speaker 2: And then because it will be a change to what 760 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 2: you're normally used to. 761 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,920 Speaker 3: You know, you normally used to pulling out that you know, 762 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 3: chemical late and teflompan, and it's it's easier with this. 763 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 3: Just takes a little bit more adjusting just to where 764 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 3: you cook. So yeah, I'd kick off with the fry panthers. 765 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,880 Speaker 1: That is a riper tip. Thank you so much for 766 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:22,360 Speaker 1: sharing that. 767 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:22,879 Speaker 2: I love. 768 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 1: I love that you've got this passion for conscious living, 769 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 1: for conscious cooking. I think that that is such a 770 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,919 Speaker 1: sustainable way to be. I don't know, I just find 771 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 1: it really inspiring. I think we live these fast paced 772 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 1: lives and if you can make a little change like 773 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 1: this that looks after you, looks after the planet at 774 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 1: the same time, I just think, what a win. 775 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 2: It's exactly that we can all do our part. 776 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,839 Speaker 3: And I think, you know what, I just spent two 777 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 3: and a half three weeks in India and I've never 778 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 3: seen so much rubbish on the ground. 779 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,440 Speaker 2: You know. It irks me, you know, But anyway, I 780 00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:58,760 Speaker 2: can't change the whole country. 781 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,360 Speaker 3: But I know here in my backyard, if I'm walking 782 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 3: down the street and there's something on the ground, just 783 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 3: pick it up, like and. 784 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:06,840 Speaker 2: We're pretty good here. 785 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:11,279 Speaker 3: We're pretty good, you know, in comparison to in comparison 786 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 3: to other places. But then I go I go to 787 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 3: Japan and there's no not even a rubbish bin on 788 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:16,320 Speaker 3: the street. 789 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:22,279 Speaker 1: There's mate, don't come to La. That's rubbish everywhere. 790 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 2: So why and. 791 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,160 Speaker 3: Plas we've all got a part to play. You know, 792 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,359 Speaker 3: I'm at home. We try and you know we're off 793 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 3: the grid where we live off. 794 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:37,400 Speaker 2: Tank order, got no gas. You know, we've got to 795 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,800 Speaker 2: bore that feeds all the plants. You know, we're trying 796 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,279 Speaker 2: to do our bit. Can we do all? 797 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 4: Am I? 798 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 2: You know? Am I one hundred percent? You know? I no, 799 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,360 Speaker 2: but I try and we try and do something. We 800 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:52,280 Speaker 2: try and do something. 801 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,880 Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I think all it 802 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,240 Speaker 1: all adds up, like if you do something, I do something, 803 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,320 Speaker 1: the next person does it. All it all counts. Final 804 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 1: question for you, I could talk to you all day long. 805 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,719 Speaker 1: What is your advice for a chef or a creative 806 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 1: or artist starting out that might like have this like 807 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 1: passion that doesn't really know where to start or your 808 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:16,400 Speaker 1: advice My. 809 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 3: Advice is whatever that genre is that you're you're forging 810 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,600 Speaker 3: forward to do. Go and put yourself in the hardest 811 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 3: place possible and do two things or do two words 812 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:34,920 Speaker 3: work hard, that's it, and and absolutely be obsessed by it. 813 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 3: And you know, I think now you know, there isn't 814 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,480 Speaker 3: a month that goes by where I don't purchase myself 815 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,279 Speaker 3: a cookbook. I did it when I started my apprenticeship. 816 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,719 Speaker 3: Every month I buy a cookbook, you know, I love 817 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,319 Speaker 3: even if I'm not reading them, I'm flicking through them 818 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:52,839 Speaker 3: and I'm getting inspired. 819 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,239 Speaker 2: And I've got to you know, I've got to. I've 820 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 2: got to. 821 00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,920 Speaker 3: I feel no pads up of books. We're willing starftment. 822 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 3: Everyone has their ways, you know, use their phones to 823 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 3: not write notes. But I've got boxes and books like 824 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,719 Speaker 3: that full of the thoughts, ideas. Doesn't matter what it 825 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,879 Speaker 3: might be. I just feel whatever you do, if you've 826 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,719 Speaker 3: woken up and you really love it, you are on 827 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:22,120 Speaker 3: the right track. The next bit is just go and put. 828 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:26,480 Speaker 2: Yourself under pressure, because pressure is a privilege, all right. 829 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,279 Speaker 2: Not everything can be you know, Oh man, it's it's 830 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,480 Speaker 2: all good. It's going to come to me and I'm 831 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,359 Speaker 2: feeling it. No feeling shit. Just get up and get 832 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,520 Speaker 2: cracking and put yourself under pressure. 833 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:43,800 Speaker 3: Go and work in that the best you know, jewelry 834 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,080 Speaker 3: place that you want to learn how to be comfortable, 835 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 3: Put yourself under pressure and work that extra hour a day. 836 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 3: Is that extra hour a day at the end of 837 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,600 Speaker 3: the year will make a big difference to you. 838 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,399 Speaker 2: Do not do it. Yes, we've all got to earn 839 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,600 Speaker 2: money to survive. I'm not knocking that, but don't make 840 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,799 Speaker 2: that your priority because that all there are undoing. It 841 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:06,919 Speaker 2: will just it will undo. 842 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,480 Speaker 3: Money's a by product of hard work. 843 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,240 Speaker 1: You're the best. I'm gonna whenever I need a little 844 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,839 Speaker 1: bit of inspo, I'm just going to listen back to 845 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,360 Speaker 1: this part. You're so inspiring, George. I could talk to 846 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,400 Speaker 1: you all day long. Honestly, I really appreciate you sharing 847 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,239 Speaker 1: your your morning, my avo with me all the way 848 00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,440 Speaker 1: from across the world. So thank you, so so. 849 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,279 Speaker 3: Much, Absolutely, thank you so much, and congratulations on all 850 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,279 Speaker 3: of your success. We're following you from Afar and we're 851 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:41,480 Speaker 3: so proud of you and can't wait to come wait 852 00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,879 Speaker 3: to come to La and catch up. I learned when 853 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:49,319 Speaker 3: I was in La last I went to one of 854 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,239 Speaker 3: my favorite sushi places. 855 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,359 Speaker 2: Well there's two. There's Sushi Park, which I love. 856 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,960 Speaker 3: Ah, I love that place and I love that you 857 00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,240 Speaker 3: can't use your phone side. 858 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,520 Speaker 2: And I was Muchisa, which is nobody's original restaurant. 859 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,440 Speaker 3: Yes, and for those of you that are a little 860 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:11,960 Speaker 3: rice conscience conscious, you can ask the easy rice on 861 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,920 Speaker 3: your sushi and it means you get half the amount 862 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,440 Speaker 3: of rice to the Nagiri and I'm just like. 863 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,120 Speaker 1: Only in La. I'm gonna that's so good. That's on 864 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,040 Speaker 1: our goal list to go to. But I have been 865 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,160 Speaker 1: to Sushi Park before and it was incredible, so good. 866 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,120 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, my friend. I cannot wait till 867 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:38,200 Speaker 1: the next time we get to cross paths. That's a 868 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:43,839 Speaker 1: wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always, thank 869 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,960 Speaker 1: you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation on Instagram. 870 00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:53,680 Speaker 1: I'm at Gyumo Lollerberry. This potty my word for podcast 871 00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:58,040 Speaker 1: is available on all streaming platforms. I'd love it if 872 00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,359 Speaker 1: you could subscribe rape and of course spread the laugh