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Speaker 1: And Amanda jam Nation.

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Speaker 2: We have had the pleasure of chatting to our next

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Speaker 2: guests many times over the years, and I'm so thrilled.

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Speaker 2: Keith Urban is here in the Flesh. He's got a

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Speaker 2: new album called High. Yeah, in the Flesh, I'm not

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Speaker 2: seeing I was gonna say I'm not seeing enough flesh,

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Speaker 2: but I don't think I should say that.

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Speaker 3: I know Nicole's back in Venice. She's doing dreadful, doing

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Speaker 3: spade work on Keith.

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Speaker 2: There's also a High and a live world tour that

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Speaker 2: has been announced. It's amazing. Keith Urban, Hello, Hi, you

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Speaker 2: speaking of your amazing love story with Nicole. You met

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Speaker 2: it Gooday Australia.

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Speaker 3: Is that what it was called?

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Speaker 1: Good Ala?

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Speaker 2: If you hadn't both been there that day, would your

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Speaker 2: paths somewhere have inevitably crossed? Or maybe this incredible life

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Speaker 2: story wouldn't have happened.

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Speaker 1: I think it would.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Are you a believer in fate or do you think

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Speaker 2: it's two Australians it would have happened, No idea. I

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Speaker 2: just often think that if you weren't at that event,

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Speaker 2: maybe you don't have the same friendship group. It may

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Speaker 2: never have happened.

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Speaker 1: Well never know, you never know. It's fate. It's the

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Speaker 1: universe anyway, I.

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Speaker 2: Think so, I'd like to think so.

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Speaker 3: But look at you this world too. This is fantastic.

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Speaker 3: This is the stuff you dream of, isn't it really?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nice to get back actually play finally.

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Speaker 4: I mean worked on this record for a couple of years,

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Speaker 4: so it's great to get it out and be able

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Speaker 4: to come back and play.

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Speaker 2: What are some of the motivations behind the songs? What

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Speaker 2: did you have a theme? What did what?

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Speaker 1: Would not? Really?

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Speaker 4: I made a whole album, then scrapped it in twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty two, started again and ended up with this record.

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Speaker 1: So I'm very happy that I bailed on the other

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Speaker 1: one that takes guts.

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Speaker 4: I felt like I punched myself in the guts when

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Speaker 4: I made the decision, but I've never done it before.

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Speaker 1: But it's never happened before.

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Speaker 4: So I was going to make the record I've got

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Speaker 4: to make, and I'm glad that this was the one

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Speaker 4: I waited for.

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Speaker 3: How long? How far along the journey were you when

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Speaker 3: you decided to scrab it was like you want to finished?

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Speaker 3: So record cover everything?

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Speaker 1: Yah?

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Speaker 4: Thirteen tracks didn't have the record cover, but it had

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Speaker 4: the name six one five, which is Nashvill's area code

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Speaker 4: thirteen tracks Here we go, and I went in and

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Speaker 4: played it for my team. I got four songs in

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Speaker 4: and I just hit stuff and I went, this is

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Speaker 1: And I was just it's like a gut punch.

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Speaker 4: So were your thing, like when you play music for

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Speaker 4: somebody and that's the first time that you get a reaction,

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Speaker 4: and maybe not this reaction from the people listening, but

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Speaker 4: my reaction to how I feel playing it for them.

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Speaker 4: I hadn't played it for anybody, so it was just

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Speaker 4: a dreadful feeling. And I went, I'm just gonna let

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Speaker 4: me just step away right now. I'm going to go

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Speaker 2: Because any of those songs make it onto the New.

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Speaker 1: F four of them did. Yes, oh good, yeah, yeah

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Speaker 1: there was four.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't like they were bad songs. Everything was just

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Speaker 4: a bit too same because I recorded them one at

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Speaker 4: a time, and when I put them all together, that

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Speaker 4: was the first time I realized, oh yeah, these are

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Speaker 4: great individually, but as an album, it just it just

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Speaker 3: But do you think as well, You're at a point

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Speaker 3: just want to hear Oh, Keith, that's great. You could

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Speaker 3: release rubbish.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean, yeah, yeah, I can't. I can't. I

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Speaker 1: mean you know, I mean like, I just got to

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Speaker 1: but that's why you're good.

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Speaker 3: That's why you've that's why you've.

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Speaker 2: And so this new one you could play it to

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Speaker 2: whoever needed to hear it, and you felt, Yep, this

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And at that point if someone goes, oh, you know,

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Speaker 4: the distance. I've got to go and tour all these songs,

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Speaker 4: So I got to believe in them.

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Speaker 2: So earlier in your career, you obviously didn't have that agency.

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Speaker 2: You've earned that agency.

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Speaker 1: No, I think I had that. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 4: I mean when I got to Nashville and someone said

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Speaker 1: I said, I getting a record deal? And I went, no,

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Speaker 4: And what's the most important thing? And they said, getting

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Speaker 4: the right record deal? Yeah, and what's the difference, And

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Speaker 4: they went, well, the right one's going to be. You

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Speaker 4: get to choose the songs. You get to have final

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Speaker 4: say of everything, because you're going to live and die

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Speaker 4: by this whatever you do. You know, even if someone

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Speaker 4: tells you what songs to do, people are going to

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Speaker 4: think that was your decision. So you probably better off

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Speaker 4: that you have the final say.

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Speaker 3: You know, I advice and I've seen this story to

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Speaker 3: the Cows Come Home because I died out of it.

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Speaker 3: But I remember talking to you when you're in the

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Speaker 1: Was at two an m.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because we're exactly the same age. But I just

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Speaker 3: remember at that time just talking about all your hopes

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Speaker 3: one country music that played country music in Australia, and

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Speaker 1: Country country music. Did I say that? Yeah, it was

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Speaker 3: But I was saying because at the time country music

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's like everything.

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Speaker 4: It's also guys like you're playing certain music to be

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Speaker 4: able to start breaking perception of what it is. When

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Speaker 1: And I said, playing music? What kind of music? I'd

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Speaker 4: They'd go, I don't like country, and I'm like, actually,

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Speaker 4: the next question should be, oh, what.

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Speaker 1: Kind of country? Would be a fairer question, because there's

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Speaker 4: You know, it's kind It's like saying I don't like

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Speaker 1: The country has always been the same.

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Speaker 3: Do you ever get into rap?

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Speaker 1: You're a rap?

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Speaker 4: When you're going to even wrap a Christmas gift? Made

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Speaker 4: I get somebody to do that, bloody hopeless. I'm going

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Speaker 4: to stick in my lane when you're well.

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Speaker 2: When you're tooling around at home on the piano or

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Speaker 2: the guitar, do you do you go out of your lane?

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Speaker 2: Do you just play other stuff that you really like?

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Speaker 4: This isn't your Oh yeah, no, I think my lane

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Speaker 4: is quite wide with even within my I feel like

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Speaker 4: some Degri've got my own little genre. It's a bit

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Speaker 4: of a mix of it's because I grew up playing

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Speaker 4: stuff's gotten in there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine going back to those days. But would you

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Speaker 2: if you could pick one early early show to smell

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Speaker 2: and feel again, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't know that smell, but.

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Speaker 4: Sticky carpets, that's right, hose out the venue at the

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Speaker 4: end of the night. Yeah, oh mate, Oh my god.

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Speaker 4: All those gigs. There's so many gigs in Brizzi. I

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Speaker 4: used to play, but I played one down here on

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Speaker 4: it was it Springfield's? Was it the name of the place,

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Speaker 4: the nightclub back in the day?

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Speaker 4: Or didn't he?

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Speaker 3: This was like, you know, when I was a kid

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Speaker 3: growing up, you go and see the Angels or Midnight Oil,

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Speaker 3: you know, any Chisel or any of those bands just

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Speaker 3: on pub corners. Now you go and see tribute bands

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Speaker 3: but it's not as big as what they used to be.

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Speaker 2: I mean you're able to create the tomacy in a

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Speaker 4: I think for me, from playing the little places first

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Speaker 4: and then growing outwards from there. I think when you

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Speaker 4: know some artists that get that fast hit playing in

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Speaker 4: massive places really quickly, I think you haven't sort of

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Speaker 4: worked your way up to it. Some are really good

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Speaker 2: Yeah you know, yeah, and the mixed grille.

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Speaker 3: Of number twenty six. Your parm's ready.

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Speaker 2: Someone's got their lights on totally.

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Speaker 3: Well, Keith, it's always great to see you in the

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Speaker 3: flesh bag. Good luck with the tour.

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Speaker 1: Thanks James.

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Speaker 3: It's at the high in the Live World. Tour tickets

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Speaker 3: are on sale from one this Friday, the thirteenth of September.

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Speaker 3: Nothing can possibly go wrong, right except for me saying possibly, Keith,

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Speaker 3: thank you.

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Speaker 1: My pleasure mate. Nice to see you you too, Amanda, I.

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Speaker 2: Love you to see you.

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Speaker 1: They always