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Speaker 1: Jam mission with Joins and Amanda. So exciting to catch

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Speaker 1: up with our next guest. You know him from Faulty Towers.

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Speaker 1: You know him as one of the comic geniuses behind

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Speaker 1: Monty Python, a fish Cord wander Well. John Cleese has

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Speaker 1: a new book called Creativity, a short and cheerful guide

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Speaker 1: encouraging people to find their creative selves. Who better to

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Speaker 1: talk to about this than the man himself, John Clese.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Oh, nice to see you both, because I

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Speaker 2: can see you. But this is radio, isn't it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: It is? But the zoom makes it better, doesn't it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes it better.

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Speaker 2: Because what I hate sometimes doing these interviews this is

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Speaker 2: a three second gap you finished speaking, and then the

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Speaker 2: person there there and sits there with a fixed expression

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Speaker 2: on that. I wanted to do a sketch about two

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Speaker 2: s CNN anchors who lived together and coming down to

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Speaker 2: breakfast and in the morning one of them says good morning,

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Speaker 2: the other one says good morning.

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Speaker 1: I love the idea about this book, But it's written

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Speaker 1: with a psychologist. Is that right? So it's not just

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Speaker 1: for people who write comedy. It's for anybody.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's for anybody who wants to have better ideas.

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Speaker 2: Anyone in business who's got problems, anyone who wants to redesign.

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Speaker 3: Their house or whatever.

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Speaker 2: There are ways of learning how to have better ideas

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Speaker 2: that will help you to be better at whatever it

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Speaker 2: is you're doing. You know, this is of the cleverest sportsmen.

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Speaker 2: Thing like this the whole time, which is why the

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Speaker 2: top ones get so good. But I really believe anybody

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Speaker 2: can learn this because all kids can play when they

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Speaker 2: are six or seven years of age, but by the

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Speaker 2: time there's sixteen, we've kind of educated it out of them.

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Speaker 2: And also it's harder to play when you're older, because

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Speaker 2: you can play when you're a kid because the parents

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Speaker 2: are minding the shop. You get old, you've got to

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Speaker 2: mind the shop. So what you have to do, basically,

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Speaker 2: and it's all in the book read it less than

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Speaker 2: an hour, is you've got to create a space where

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Speaker 2: you're not going to be interrupted. And where are you

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Speaker 2: going to have an hour and a quarter or an

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Speaker 2: hour and a half to just play with whatever idea

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Speaker 2: the problem you've got on your mind at the moment,

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Speaker 2: and when you start, you mustn't be interrupted. You must

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Speaker 2: stop any kind of interruption and close the door. Turning

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Speaker 2: phonel and then you sit down and have ideas, and

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Speaker 2: you know what happens.

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Speaker 3: Now you think of all the things you should be doing.

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Speaker 4: What is a problem that's on your mind at the moment, John,

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Speaker 4: What's something that you're mulling over at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm mulling over a chase scene in a movie.

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Speaker 2: I'm writing a light comedy about cannibalism, and at it's

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Speaker 2: called a Yummy And at some point.

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Speaker 3: My character.

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Speaker 2: He's trying to get his wife killed. The wife turns

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Speaker 2: the tables on him and he gets trapped, but then

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Speaker 2: he escapes and gets chased around a big hotel by

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Speaker 2: a lot of people who want to kill him. And

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Speaker 2: it's just I suddenly got realized that he if he

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Speaker 2: because I said to my wife, where can he hide?

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Speaker 2: And she's wonderful, she's so playful, she said immediately he said,

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Speaker 2: what about a grandfather clock? And then I thought that's

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Speaker 2: great because if he hides in the grandfather clock, he

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Speaker 2: can look out through the face.

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Speaker 3: Of the clock.

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Speaker 2: We can get a good shot at the clock with

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Speaker 2: his eyes, you see what I mean, And he can

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Speaker 2: watch what's going on and see what they're all doing

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Speaker 2: to try to catch him, and that idea of him

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Speaker 2: looking out at the grandfather clock came as I finished

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Speaker 2: swimming about six laps and I just stopped and it

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Speaker 2: just popped in my mind because that's what happens.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's not a spoiler alert for your movie.

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Speaker 3: No no, no, no no no.

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Speaker 2: It's a very very what he felt. But the point

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Speaker 2: is the idea came to me just our first stop swimming.

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Speaker 2: And that's like when you're coming up with anything that's

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Speaker 2: genuinely new. I know people are you surprised like this,

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Speaker 2: but it's got to come from the unconscious, because the

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Speaker 2: playful people are the ones who can be in touch

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Speaker 2: with their unconscious, because if you're in a playful mood,

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Speaker 2: your unconscious can feed your little ideas or feelings or images,

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Speaker 2: and that's.

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Speaker 3: Where it comes from.

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Speaker 2: If you're very highly intelligent and brilliant and articulate, you

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Speaker 2: can make very small improvements, but you never come up

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Speaker 2: with anything radically new, So you have to learn it's

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Speaker 2: nothing to do with IQ. Anyone who can play. Does

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Speaker 2: that give you a general idea.

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Speaker 1: Because you've also said that writing some of your most

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Speaker 1: famous sketches, you've gone to bed trying to work out,

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Speaker 1: not at out, and you've woken up after a sleep

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Speaker 1: and you have the solution.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. That's how to me.

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Speaker 2: At Cambridge when I first started to write stuff, when

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Speaker 2: I discovered I could be.

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Speaker 3: Creative because no one had ever told me I could.

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Speaker 2: And I used to discover that overnight my unconscious would

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Speaker 2: be thinking obviously, because in the morning I have the

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Speaker 2: answer in about ninety seconds, whereas the previous night I'd

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Speaker 2: spent forty minutes trying to think of it, and I thought,

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Speaker 2: how is this possible. It happened several times and I

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Speaker 2: realized my unconscious has been working on this during the night,

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Speaker 2: and then I began to understand.

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Speaker 3: Noel card we had a.

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Speaker 2: Great playwright, and he wrote one of his very best plays.

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Speaker 2: He was always proud to say this in two days.

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Speaker 2: Well sounds impossible, but it's not impossible if you've been

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Speaker 2: thinking about it for twelve months, because it can all

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Speaker 2: be forming in your mind over those twelve months and

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Speaker 2: being adjusted, like I've got the plot now of this

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Speaker 2: cannibal comedy, and it's I got the plot now because

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Speaker 2: I've just been thinking about it every time. You know,

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Speaker 2: if I'm having bread and just think about it for

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Speaker 2: two or three minutes, and that means you're constantly priming

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Speaker 2: your unconscious and it then gives you these little gifts

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Speaker 2: every now and again.

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Speaker 1: I hope you can include the joke where it said,

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Speaker 1: what about the cannibal who? How's it going? Something about

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Speaker 1: what happened to the cannibal who.

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Speaker 4: Saw that Ada clown? Cannibal Aida clown? And he said,

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Speaker 4: what do you think of that? And he said I

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Speaker 4: didn't like it? It tasted funny.

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Speaker 1: That's a different one. I heard that he passed his

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Speaker 1: friend in the street.

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Speaker 4: Ah okay, So John, anytime you wait, anytime you want

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Speaker 4: to get us in a riding gig on this.

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Speaker 1: Where we're happy, we're ready to go.

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Speaker 4: We can go to sleep and we'll come up with

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Speaker 4: some ideas. John, it's always a treat to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: Creativity.

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Speaker 4: A short Cheerful guide is available online and in bookstores today.

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Speaker 4: John Cleese, it's always a treat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I come to the studio when together.

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Speaker 1: I know that'd be great, it would be brilliant.

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Speaker 4: Amanda is buying a man?

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Speaker 1: Just buy sure you gonna put some money?

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Speaker 2: Sure?

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Speaker 3: Where are we going to be? Can we go to

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Speaker 3: a space?

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Speaker 1: Space spic Temple. There's another one Chin Chin that I

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Speaker 1: think is very nice too, in the same Facinita and

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Speaker 1: Sailor's Sailors not there anymore, but we'll find somewhere. John,

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Speaker 1: just hurry up and break curfew and get here.

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Speaker 4: Yes, all right, Thank you John.

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Speaker 3: Later, thank you, with join Z and Amanda