1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,120 Speaker 1: Let's get into it because joining me in the studio 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: right now is the Chief Minister of the Northern Territory Evil. 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 2: Or a good morning morning, Katie, our chief. 4 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: Before we get into some of the issues of the week, 5 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: can I ask you head out to the supercars on 6 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: the weekend STUG. 7 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 2: It was massive. 8 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 3: I did. I actually absolutely love the supercars and I 9 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 3: mean I'm not a huge racing enthusiast, but I love 10 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 3: it because there are thousands well I think there were 11 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 3: forty thousand over the two days. Territorians there, well, not 12 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 3: just territorians. I think there was thirty six percent of 13 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 3: the people who attended. We're into state visitors, but everybody's 14 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 3: what's having a great time. The weather was perfect. I 15 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 3: will say major events have done a really good job 16 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 3: moving the focus to kids and families and so there 17 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 3: was a really fabulous kid zone there all undercover undershade. 18 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 3: Kids were playing, having activities, so really lovely feel to 19 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 3: the event. I walked around the event and everybody that 20 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 3: I spoke to, people came up to me from into 21 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 3: State just saying, you know, where else would you want 22 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 3: to be literally at this time of the year. But 23 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 3: I'm going to do one shout out to Rossi Johnson, 24 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 3: who I met a couple of weeks ago at the 25 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 3: fundraiser for cancer for the Alan Walker Clinic. So there 26 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 3: was a ride for cancer around Hidden Valley that had 27 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 3: been organized by Motorsports NT and Clive Baxter and that 28 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 3: the money went to went to Alan Walker, great cause, 29 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 3: and Yossie was there, Rossie Johnson, young young Territory driver 30 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 3: supporting that and I met him again on the weekend. 31 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 3: So he drives in the super utes and he's heading 32 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 3: to Sydney, but he's always looking for sponsorship. So if anybody, 33 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 3: any business is out there, I said, absolutely, we need 34 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 3: to support Bryce forward as well. We've got two people 35 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 3: in the and those really top levels in motorsports. So 36 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 3: Rossi Johnson amazing young guy, lovely young guy, not arrogant, 37 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 3: not brash, just a really nice young guy. I think 38 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 3: he's from Howard Springs. So if anybody wants to do something, 39 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 3: there's got some extra cash before the end of the 40 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 3: financial year, throw some Rossie Johnson's way. 41 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: I love that because you know, I love seeing young 42 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: Territorians doing really well on a national and international stage. 43 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 2: And if there is people out there that are keen 44 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 2: to support him. Give us a call. 45 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: We're happy to get you in contact through the Chief 46 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 1: Minister's office. 47 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 2: And yeah, really wonderful. 48 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: And we've got so many young, wonderful Territorians at the 49 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: moment performing exceptionally well around the place in various sports. 50 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I met So, I met his mum and dad, 51 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 3: and I met Bryce's mum. I don't know how they 52 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 3: must be nervous recks. I mean I used to get 53 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 3: nervous watching my son play game of footye let alone 54 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 3: going out in a very very fast car. So lovely, 55 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 3: lovely parents who have obviously sacrificed a lot for their 56 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 3: young or their kids to actually have a career in motorsports. 57 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 3: So great families. Well yeah, well, good on. 58 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 2: Them, Good on them, well, Chief Minister. 59 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: Look, we've had numerous Cyclone Tracy survivors contact me over 60 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: the weekend to raise concerns about this monument that Council's 61 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:55,119 Speaker 1: planned for Bundella Beach. They the worry is that there 62 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: will not be an outcome or an agreement reach by December. 63 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: It is on top of concerns already raised on the 64 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: show last week. Now I know that this is indeed 65 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: a council monument. But are we in a situation here 66 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: where maybe the government does need to step in and 67 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: say to the council, hey. 68 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 3: Look this is not appropriate. Yeah, I mean it is 69 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 3: a really difficult one. I'm a Cyclone Tracy survivor. My 70 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 3: family were here for Cyclone Tracy. I was twelve years old, 71 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 3: So you can do the maths A week at how 72 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 3: old time. The Northern Territory government, we're supporting the Remembering 73 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 3: Cyclone Tracy that team, so Richard Krezuk and his team, 74 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 3: we're supporting their memorial. We've put in about one hundred thousand. 75 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 3: I know the federal governments put in three hundred thousand 76 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 3: to that one, and that one they're looking to. You'll 77 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 3: have it at East Point. Brenta has got a petition 78 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 3: because he's been listening to the community. I think there 79 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 3: has been people talking loudly and clearly, not just Cyclone 80 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 3: Tracy survivors, but other people as well about whether the 81 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 3: memorial is appropriate or not and doesn't reflect or do 82 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 3: justice to the memory of, as we said, sadly, seventy 83 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 3: one people who lost their lives in Cyclone Tracy. So 84 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 3: it is, you know, our most significant disaster. But I 85 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 3: also do understand it is hard to get it right 86 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 3: when you come to some sort of memorial, but I 87 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 3: just and I'm sure they are. I hope counsel are 88 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 3: listening very carefully to this, you know, the outcry from 89 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 3: the community, and they even look at what they're doing. 90 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: This is the thing. 91 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: It's seven hundred thousand dollars that's been earmunked for the 92 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: monument or for the you know, for what they're proposing 93 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: there at Bundela Beach. Now, we spoke to Richard on 94 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: the show on Fridays and he had said, Look, I've 95 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: got no issue with them developing Bundela Beach and having 96 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 1: a you know, having a sculpture there, but it is 97 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: not reflective of what Cyclone Tracy survivors want. 98 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: I mean, do you think that that seven hundred thousand. 99 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: Dollars could be better directed to the monument that is 100 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: proposed for East Point because they had two options. Ee, 101 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: the one that was really really quite you know, quite 102 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: like their wish list, I guess you would say, and 103 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: then the other that they are moving ahead with because 104 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: that's what their budget is allocated to. Yeah. 105 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's as I said, it's not government, it is council. 106 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 3: But government has put money into Bundela Beach, so I 107 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 3: think we can all understand how beautiful that beach is 108 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 3: and it is underutilized and so that has been a 109 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 3: commitment of ours and I think it's about three million 110 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 3: dollars going into upgrading Bundela so we can get more 111 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 3: people there. It is a large section of land there 112 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 3: that should be used more. We see the trailer boat, 113 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 3: the ski club and the sailing club well used, but 114 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 3: that section in between not well used. So we do 115 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 3: need to do work on that. And as I said, 116 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 3: we've put money in. Yes, I mean I'm hoping counsel 117 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 3: are listening very carefully. It is a difficult one. We 118 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 3: understand that around finding something that people want, it is disappointing. 119 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 3: I think we're pushing up against time to have it 120 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 3: completed by well December twenty Christmas Day this year, which 121 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 3: is the fifty years Richard Queeswick meeting with him and 122 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 3: his team tomorrow to get an update on theirs. As 123 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 3: you say, their original design was something that was going 124 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 3: to be in the water and quite substantial. They've had 125 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 3: to modify that. 126 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: So I mean, I just wonder if we can put 127 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: all that more money towards that one at ease point 128 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: and go, let's do something that is an absolute you know, 129 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: like people travel to the Northern Territory to learn more 130 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: about Cyclone Tracy. They travel here to go out to 131 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: the museum. You know, why are we putting seven hundred 132 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: dollars seven hundred thousand dollars towards something that people don't 133 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: necessarily want. 134 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 3: A Another thing that I've had to think about is 135 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 3: I think these the Cyclone Tracy survivors have been very, 136 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 3: very circumspect, very respectful because I remember, you know, well 137 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 3: I've lived here all my life, but the twenty to 138 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 3: thirty to forty years, a lot of the cyclones of 139 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 3: survivors didn't want to be talking about it. I know 140 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 3: my mother, she never wanted to really talk about Cyclone Tracy. 141 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 3: And you know, the impact on people's lives. We understand 142 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 3: that they lost friends, they lost their houses. You know, 143 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 3: we all know that. But this year, the fiftieth, I 144 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 3: have seen people really wanting to actually acknowledge the fifty years. 145 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 3: And that's a big step for a lot of the 146 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 3: survivors because in the past they didn't actually want to 147 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 3: even talk about it, didn't want to remember it. You know, 148 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 3: we all have a quiet little think on Christmas Eve 149 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 3: around it and on Christmas Day think of our friends 150 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 3: and families, and so I think it's been a big 151 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 3: step for the cycle and Tracy survivors to this year 152 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 3: want to actually be a part of the commemoration and 153 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 3: to commemorate fifty years. So it does need to be done. 154 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 3: I think it needs to be done respectfully, and I 155 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 3: think there needs to be more conversations with the survivors 156 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 3: but also the broader community as well. That is a 157 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 3: beautiful area of Bundulla Beach. Let's try and get this right. 158 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we have to get this right. It 159 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,679 Speaker 1: is such a huge part of the Northern Territories history. 160 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: We've got to make sure we get it right. So 161 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: we will talk to convat Scalis, the Lord Mayor tomorrow, 162 00:07:58,640 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: Chief Beness. 163 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: So let's move along. 164 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: On Friday, we've revealed on the show that there had 165 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: been a fire reported at the school in what Air. 166 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police have arrested two people in relation to 167 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: that fire. We understand that nobody was in the building 168 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: at the time of the fire and the school was shut. 169 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: No injuries had been reported. Do you know how extensive 170 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: that fire was. 171 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 3: So first of all, it's the school at what I 172 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 3: is a Catholic school, so it's a Catholic education. It's 173 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 3: not a Northern Territory government school. But Paul Grieves, who's 174 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 3: the chief executive Officer of Catholic Education, I've had conversations 175 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 3: with him, so must stay so frustrating and just thrives me. 176 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 3: Spare to think that people can be so stupid and 177 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 3: so just ridiculous. So it was a trade training center, 178 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 3: so it was on the school site, but a standalone building. 179 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 3: It was, as we can all imagine, it was a 180 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 3: very secure facility. But the photos I saw was it 181 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 3: was burning under the roof, so that somehow got into 182 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 3: that ceiling area. I would presume that the damage cause 183 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 3: would mean that that building will have to be demolished. 184 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 3: I'm going to be in what I in the next 185 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 3: couple of weeks, and I will go out and obviously 186 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 3: meet with school staff. I mean, I know we're going 187 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 3: on to school holidays, but I'll meet with the community 188 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 3: as well. But you know, that's probably will have to 189 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 3: be demolished and then you've got to rebuild, so that 190 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 3: won't happen for those things don't happen instantly. You know, 191 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 3: I've been infrastructure minutes. I know, you demolish, you clean up, 192 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 3: and then you'll have to go to tender and then 193 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 3: and so independent schools will have to seek funding from 194 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 3: the federal government to build that. 195 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:35,839 Speaker 2: And so it's their asset. 196 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 3: That's all right, and so it's but you know, so 197 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,599 Speaker 3: you won't have so you know, you won't have that facility. 198 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 3: So the Department of Education are looking to support Catholic ED. 199 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 3: So is there some way that they can convert a 200 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 3: current area because that's one of the things I'm really 201 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 3: determined to see is pathways to employment. And so you 202 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 3: want to see vocational education. You want to see those 203 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 3: schools being taught in secondary school way to engage kids, 204 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 3: to get them into the workforce. 205 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: Absolutely in a community like what I on this point 206 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: in time, that's not operational, it's not going to be operational. 207 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 3: So there's I mean, I think four days left of 208 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 3: this term that will so the school will then have 209 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 3: to look at, you know, getting people in to go 210 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 3: through the process of cleaning it all up, all of 211 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 3: those sorts of things. And as I said, I'll have 212 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 3: that chance to have a look out there, but just 213 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 3: so frustrating that people would do something so bloody stupid. 214 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 2: I agree, Chief Minesster. 215 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: The ABC is reporting that a major plans being developed 216 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: between the Northern Territory government and traditional owners to help 217 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: people move out of what following years of tumultuous social unrest? 218 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 1: Is that the case? And what does this plan include? 219 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 3: So, I mean we see that in a number of communities, 220 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 3: So the large ones like man and Greta, where people 221 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 3: were brought together literally decades and decades ago. So and 222 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 3: in what I think it's something like fourteen language groups, 223 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 3: fourteen clans that came into that community, and there's I said, 224 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 3: some of that was around well just the being able 225 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 3: to develop a community and have people move in. There 226 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 3: was also obviously the impact of missionaries in those places, 227 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 3: but that doesn't always work. We see that continuously where 228 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 3: those clans clash and they continue to clash even to 229 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 3: this day. Unfortunately, those people haven't been able to get 230 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 3: to harmonious relations around that. So one of the options 231 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 3: around that is having closer where there are homelands. So homelands, 232 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 3: we've got homelands. I think there's probably I can't remember 233 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 3: the figure, but least seventy odd homelands, reasonably sized homelands 234 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 3: across the length and breadth of the territory and so 235 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 3: being able to have people return to homelands where then, 236 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 3: as I said, there is less social unrest. They can 237 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 3: get on and have a more peaceful life rather than 238 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 3: having this ongoing feuding which literally has probably been going 239 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 3: on for forty fifty years in what. 240 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 2: I any idea how quickly that might happen. 241 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 3: So it's already been happening literally when we saw those 242 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 3: almost two years ago when the houses were burnt down 243 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 3: and there was major fighting. Some of the groups went 244 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 3: back to homeland, went back to their homelands and have 245 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,719 Speaker 3: been living there. But of course they don't have a 246 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 3: lot of facilities in those places, which is hard when 247 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 3: you've got little kids as well and you need to 248 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 3: have education. One of the things in our budget is 249 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 3: bitimizing the road between what I and Plumper so that 250 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 3: there's a government school at Plumper, so there will provide 251 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 3: that opportunity for families who may not be going to 252 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 3: the Catholic school because they're feuding or fighting or whatever, 253 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 3: and to be able to travel that forty odd kilometers 254 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 3: to Plumper. But these issues are really difficult issues for 255 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 3: government to deal with and you need to have the 256 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 3: community working as part of those. 257 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 2: All right, Chief Minister, let's move along. 258 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 1: We know that we have obviously had the parliamentary estimates 259 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: process happening last week. 260 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 2: One of the areas that you were. 261 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: Questioned about was the IKAK, the Independent Commissioner against Corruption. 262 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 1: We know that the KAC Commissioner is on leave at 263 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: the moment after a pretty bitter situation reportedly between he 264 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: and his ex wife. Have you any idea when he's 265 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: expected back. 266 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 3: No, I don't know. He's on sick leave. 267 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 2: Now tell me what does it mean that you know? 268 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: What is it going to mean in terms of the 269 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: second report into Michael Gunner's travel prior to the last 270 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: election that you were expecting overcoming weeks. 271 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 3: I think I don't think I'll have any impact into 272 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 3: that because there is I mean, there's a whole group 273 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 3: of people that work in the IKAK, So there are 274 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 3: a number of large number of staff and often with 275 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 3: those reports, with those investigations as well, they put them 276 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 3: out to a legal firms, so they don't do all 277 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 3: the work necessarily in house. So I mean, obviously I'm 278 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 3: at arm's length. I have absolutely no influence. There's an 279 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 3: acting IKAQ Commissioner. As I said, there's a whole group 280 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 3: of people. I don't think it would just be the 281 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 3: KAC commissioner. 282 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 2: So you are still expecting that, I mean. 283 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 3: Right, nobody tells you know, I'm not privy to this information. 284 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 3: But you know, all I have is the information that 285 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 3: was made public when the IKAQ Commissioner previously put out 286 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 3: the first report and said that there'll be a second 287 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 3: report that'll come out. You know, Katie, I want this 288 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 3: report to come out the sooner the better. It has 289 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 3: gone on far too long. We all understand that the 290 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 3: KAQ Commissioner himself even said that, and the acting KAQ 291 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 3: Commissioner spoke around time frames when she was interviewed or 292 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 3: during estimates. So it needs to come out the sooner 293 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 3: the better. As I said, I'm hoping that timeline will 294 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 3: be as soon as possible. 295 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: There has been a lot said about the fact that 296 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: there were no adverse findings for the former Chief Minister, 297 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: Michael Gunner, but reading through that report, it does not 298 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: pass the pub test that he took those flights in 299 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: the lead into an election. It was literally as I understand, 300 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: you know in his diary that they were polling days 301 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: when he was traveling there. I mean, do you think 302 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: that the labor parties should pay this money back? 303 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 3: So, Katie, as I said, this one has been a 304 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 3: difficult one and I don't think so, because there are 305 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 3: a number of things. First of all, election travel, so 306 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 3: anybody oppositional government election travel isn't part of the cap. 307 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 3: So we all have a cap around how much money 308 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 3: we can spend. So you know, the seats that we have, 309 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 3: the twenty five seats across the Northern territory, how many 310 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 3: that we can have, and how much money we can 311 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 3: spend on those. So travel isn't because in my electorate, 312 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 3: I can park my car and I can doorknock my 313 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 3: whole electric very very different to Guada or Mulca where 314 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 3: you have to chart a plane. So the actual funding 315 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 3: of that isn't in the cap anyway. 316 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 2: But the other one caretake of time. 317 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: You know, during those weeks when you're not supposed to 318 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: be traveling. 319 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 3: Don't know, so there will be local members that will 320 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 3: still travel, and wasn't his electric But again in the 321 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 3: report makes it clear that that hasn't been clear, and 322 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 3: that's why when I got in, when I became Chief Minister, 323 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 3: I have done two bits of work. One also was 324 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 3: the messiness around the shares and the conflict of interest. 325 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 3: That report will be coming out very soon in the recommendations, 326 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 3: so that was one part of work. The second one 327 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 3: was providing really clear guidelines to all of the staff 328 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 3: on the fifth floor, all of the ministers. Around travel guidelines, 329 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 3: it is confusing. You see federal ministers, let's have Albow Dutton, 330 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 3: you know Scott Morrison, they fly the whole time during Caretaker. 331 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 3: They're flying all around Australia during Caretakers. It was alright, 332 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 3: it wasn't actually clear. It was confusing around that the guidelines. 333 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 3: I can still and I've said I won't. I've said 334 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 3: I accept the recommendations and I've said I won't travel 335 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 3: during Caretakers. So when we go into Caretaker, which will 336 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 3: be the first of August, I've said I won't, and 337 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 3: I've told my all of my ministers don't. I mean, 338 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 3: of course, if there's a terrible disaster in What's of 339 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 3: course I will travel there or in Nalla Springs. But 340 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 3: I've said I won't to make it clear do you 341 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 3: want to do the right thing? 342 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 2: Do you want to do Gunner should pay that money back? 343 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 3: No, as I said, because the rules weren't clear at 344 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 3: the time, they really were. They were ambiguous around that. Again, 345 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 3: you can you could with the rules as they are now, 346 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 3: you could still travel during Caretaker if you are a 347 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 3: minister or a chief minister, out into communities or across 348 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 3: the northern territories and past the pub test. I don't so, 349 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 3: but that's why I brought in. That's why I've made 350 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 3: it really clear. I've put in guidelines. Hey, Arks, Lea 351 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 3: and Arks the opposition whether they have are they going 352 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 3: to be. 353 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 2: Traveling Springs during Caretaker because I've. 354 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 3: Said I'm not, And so I've made it really clear. 355 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 3: You know, July is a busy time for us, we're 356 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 3: all at the shows, so Catherine TenneT Creek, Alice Springs. 357 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 3: But I've said after you know from Caretaker. 358 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: No, and so do you think it was appropriate as well? Though, 359 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: that you know that he'd travel with his family at 360 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: that time like that was you know, That's another part 361 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: of it. I think that like the people are sort 362 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: of quite furious at the use of taxpayers dollars. 363 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely understand that, Katie. But I mean 364 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 3: politicians travel all the travel across the Northern Territory all 365 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 3: the time, and you can take family members. You know, 366 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 3: I don't have my children are growing up. You know, 367 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 3: I don't have my husband passed away, so I travel 368 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 3: by myself and so I know, but there are times 369 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 3: when people do take their partners when they travel, and 370 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 3: you know, that's just a factive life at times. And 371 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 3: I mean I think we're a government that's actually had 372 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 3: less and less of our partner's traveling. I think, you know, 373 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 3: Gary Higgins. 374 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: I don't have an issue with it, but I think 375 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: that the line's got absolutely crossed. You know, when you 376 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 1: when you're in care taker mode and you've got somebody 377 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: traveling out to remote communities on polling days and that's 378 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: where people are going hang on a sick This is 379 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 1: not appropriate. 380 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 2: That money should be paid back, right. 381 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 3: And that's why I've bought in very clear guidelines, Katie, 382 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 3: and I've said ladling clearly to all of my staff, 383 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 3: all of my ministers. No nobody is traveling, and so 384 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 3: you know, I have to look forward, Katie, I can't 385 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 3: wit backwards at what happened pre right, chief a. 386 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: Couple of really quick ones Tiger Brennan visit. How far 387 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: off are we from this fully opening. 388 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 3: Fully openings a while, as I said, probably later in 389 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 3: the year. But so what we're opening today is the 390 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 3: east of the lane inbound, So we did outbound recently, 391 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 3: so you'll be able to if you're coming from Palmerston Rural, 392 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 3: you'll be able to go underneath the overpass inbound. That 393 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 3: then obviously frees up that section where the road was 394 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 3: to do that final work for the ramp up and 395 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 3: over towards Barrama Road and then out to well the 396 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 3: link ups to Stuart Highway, I mean the link ups 397 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 3: to Tiger Brennan. So yeah, fantastic to see that project continuing. 398 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 3: What people don't understand is East Arm is going to 399 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 3: get very very busy. So we've we've got the fuel 400 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 3: tanks there. Those fuel tanks will provide avgas obviously to 401 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 3: defense at the airport. There will be more and more 402 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 3: trucks going from those fuel tanks to the airport. That's 403 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 3: number one. We've also got the ship lift. So people 404 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 3: say to me, it's a lot of you know, it's 405 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 3: a big It is a big build. It is a 406 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 3: big build. We know that's been a really dangerous intersection, 407 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 3: but East is going to get substantially more busy. And 408 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 3: you used to see that previously where you had loaded 409 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 3: fuel trucks that would be turning, the lights would change 410 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 3: and the fuel trucks would still be going through. So 411 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 3: it does need to be done because you know, into 412 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 3: the future easter with the maritime industry out there as 413 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 3: well with the ship lift, but with those fuel tanks, 414 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 3: we are going to have lots of trucks traveling that section. 415 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 3: In the budget also is the double laning of Berrima, 416 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 3: that Berrima Road between the Stuart Highway and Middle Arms 417 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 3: me sorry Tiger Brennan as well. 418 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: Now, one of the other areas that I know you 419 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: are hoping that we grow is obviously the gas industry 420 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: gas hearings in Canberra today. 421 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 2: What are you hoping happens? 422 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 3: I am hoping it will be much better than the 423 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 3: probably the worst, one of the worst things I've ever 424 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 3: done in my political life. So the Middle Arms Senate 425 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 3: inquiry was an absolute debarkle. You had Lydia Thoughpe wearing 426 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 3: a T shirt saying stop Middle Arm. I thought a 427 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 3: Senate inquiry was one step down from a royal commission. 428 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 3: I thought the panel would be neutral, that they would 429 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 3: listen and then they would write their report, and of 430 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 3: course if you don't agree with it, you can put 431 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 3: in a dissenting report. It was shocking, It was absolutely 432 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 3: just ridiculous. I spent, you know, time preparing for that. 433 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 3: I had my staff, Louise McCormack people preparing. It was 434 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 3: just a political grandstanding by the Greens. It was absolutely shocking. 435 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 3: As I said, it was just it was probably one 436 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 3: of the probably the worst couple of hours of my 437 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 3: political life, because I just could not believe how bad 438 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 3: the behavior were of Pocock, Lydia Thorpe Cox from so 439 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 3: the Senator Cox from Wa. They were just terrible. 440 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 2: Do you feel that they were just being totally unfair 441 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 2: or was just ridiculous? 442 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 3: They didn't, they wouldn't they would ask questions, they didn't 443 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 3: want to know the answers. It was purely political, absolutely 444 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 3: purely political. And so I'm hoping and as I said, 445 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 3: all the Green groups, all in mental groups, all got 446 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 3: their opportunity to talk in Darwin, the proponents, none of 447 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:10,719 Speaker 3: them got the opportunity. Even the Independent EPA Paul Vogel 448 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 3: was supposed to speak, he didn't get an opportunity, so 449 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 3: to me, they made sure that the Green Group's got 450 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 3: our chance up here and as I said, all of 451 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 3: the proponents now will be in Canberra, so. 452 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 2: And that clearly wasn't fair from your perspective, think. 453 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 3: You need to give everybody a fair go. You know, 454 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 3: that's one of the things one of the values of 455 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 3: mine is around I don't mind people that you know. 456 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 3: I know the on toil and gas industry has arguments 457 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 3: on both sides, and I've listened to all of those 458 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 3: over the eight years that I've been a minister. But 459 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 3: this was just an absolute debarcle and as I said, 460 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 3: just a shocking behavior from Lydia Thorpe and Sarah Hanson 461 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 3: Young as well. You know, they just actually it was 462 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 3: just ridiculous. And people who were there, I thought most 463 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 3: of them would probably would have well, the Green groups 464 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 3: that were there obviously would have thought it was fine, 465 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 3: but even then I think they might have been embarrassed 466 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 3: by how just how biased and poor it was. 467 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: How are you going, like, how is the party going 468 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: at the moment in terms of the gas debate, because 469 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: you're obviously quite pro gas, and you can see that 470 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: the impact that you'll have in the territory in terms 471 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: of the economy and creation of jobs and industry for 472 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: the NT. I know that there's some within the Labour 473 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: Party that can barely bring themselves to say that they support. 474 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 3: Gas and labor. You have obviously a continuum of people 475 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 3: around the left and more centralist, and I'm obviously as 476 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 3: centralist and as also being a treasure in the Northern Territory. 477 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 3: I understand the value to the economy, the need for 478 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 3: jobs in the territory, and as I said, this was 479 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 3: one of the things that I sent said at the 480 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 3: Senate inquiry and I got booed loudly, Katie. But you 481 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 3: cannot complain around the quality of schools, You cannot complain 482 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 3: around wait times at hospitals, you cannot complain about the 483 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 3: roads in the Northern Territory. If you do not want 484 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 3: us to grow our revenue. Otherwise I have to keep 485 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 3: going with a begging bowl to Canberra and rely on 486 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 3: more GST than the whims of Canberra. We have to 487 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 3: grow our industries and the onsoil and gas can be 488 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 3: an industry that can be done well. It can be 489 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 3: done carefully and it can balance that economic and ecological. 490 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 3: But as I said, we do need to see more 491 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 3: money coming to the territory. We need to develop our 492 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 3: own source revenue and that is an absolute fact. 493 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: Well, Chief Minister evil Ala, we better leave it there. 494 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: Thank you as always for your time this morning. 495 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 3: Thank you Katie, thank you