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Speaker 2: No, that doesn't sound right. Deeper this Week in Parenting?

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Speaker 2: How about that? That sounded very triple lamb? Didn't it very

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Speaker 2: No, We're just gonna get on with the podcast. We've

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Speaker 2: got two big stories to talk about this week in parenting.

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Speaker 2: The first one is the egg crack challenge. The second

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Speaker 2: one is Spain soccer and kisses on the lips and

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Speaker 2: being thrown over your shoulders and having you bumparaded in

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Speaker 2: the air. Which one should we start with? Missus Happy Families.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with the egg challenge.

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Speaker 4: If you spent any time on social media recently, you've

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Speaker 4: likely seen the egg crack challenge. Sounds like some kind

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Speaker 4: of contest, but it's actually a prank. It's viral on

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Speaker 4: TikTok because it has the element of surprise, and of

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Speaker 4: course it's something you can try on your own kids.

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Speaker 1: But is it all.

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Speaker 4: Harmless entertainment or is it abusive to your child?

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Speaker 2: What is it with stupid quote unquote challenges on social media?

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Speaker 2: This one parents get their unsuspecting toddlers, they're two year olds,

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Speaker 2: they're three year olds, and they say, hey, let's bake

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Speaker 2: a cake. And so as the toddler's standing on a

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Speaker 2: pick up the egg that's going to go into the cake,

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Speaker 2: and instead of tapping it on the bench to crack

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Speaker 2: the egg, they wack it on their child's forehead and

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Speaker 2: then drop the egg into the bowl to mix it up.

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Speaker 2: And some of the toddlers laugh their heads off like

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Speaker 2: they're like, what did you just do? The shock of it,

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Speaker 2: and they see the smile on their parents' face and

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Speaker 2: they crack up. It's very very funny from that point

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Speaker 3: Over the ones I've seen, the toddler's actually literally sitting

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Speaker 2: The overwhelming majority of them respond really really badly name.

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Speaker 2: According to Kelly Scott at the ABC, she's got an

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Speaker 2: day a child development expert on the egg cracking challenge.

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Speaker 2: But before we talk about that expert, which is really

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Speaker 2: really interesting, this is the history of it. The challenge

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Speaker 2: apparently started between a married couple who have a history

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Speaker 3: So I've seen that. I've seen that.

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Speaker 2: Video, and so the critical thing here is they implicitly

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Speaker 2: have a consensual relationship where they prank each other. It's

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Speaker 2: who they are and it's what they do. But even

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Speaker 2: when you've got that knowledge, you can still get upset

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Speaker 2: by a prank. Right, we're bringing in toddlers with no

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Speaker 2: which hurts. I just don't think that it's a fair

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Speaker 2: thing to be doing so anyway. Doctor Kristen Summer is

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Speaker 5: Don't crack an egg on your forehead?

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Speaker 3: No, do you want to crack an egg on my forehead?

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Speaker 2: So the top was crack it on my head? So big?

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Speaker 2: But I think there's a couple of really important things

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Speaker 3: The thing that I struggle with with these kinds of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and to kind of blindside our two year old

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Speaker 2: Then post it on social media and go a whole

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Speaker 3: I was my fifteen year old that's another story.

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Speaker 2: Maybe have some fun, but I still think you want

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Speaker 2: to just check in, Hey, do you want to do

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Speaker 2: a fun challenge. I'm not going to tell you what

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Speaker 2: and bake a cake and we'll find out as we go.

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Speaker 2: Like when you're older, you get it, and if you've

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Speaker 2: do this. I was asked on Channel nine by the

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Speaker 2: ramifications here? And I don't think that there is, like

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Speaker 2: that could absolutely create some problems. Now, I guess there

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Speaker 2: I guess if I was to sum up this whole

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Speaker 3: Be kind?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't remember details, but I have some

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Speaker 3: done nothing. They've just reacted, yeah.

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Speaker 3: That's right, And yeah, I just think we need to

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Speaker 2: So if you have done this with your kids, you

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Speaker 2: I saw something recently on social media where there's this

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Speaker 3: So I shouldn't do that to you tonight, not until

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Speaker 2: I'd actually be up for it if you checked and

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Speaker 3: Number two, you've primed us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the second story is all about what's happened

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Speaker 2: with the Women's World Cup at the end of Spain's

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Speaker 2: Rubialis has made headlines when he gave Spanish footballer Homosa

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Speaker 5: The president of the Spanish Football Federation has been slummed

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Speaker 5: for this. Luis Rubilla's kissed World Cup winner Jenny Homoso

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Speaker 5: she did not enjoy that, but Rubilla's rejected suggestions it

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Speaker 2: Now this has been blowing up for a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: It's big, big news.

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Speaker 3: Now, this has been all over my social pages.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so where do you want to go with this?

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is probably continuing in the consent conversation,

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Speaker 3: I think so we can go down a big black hole,

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Speaker 3: because there is a lot of things that come out

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Speaker 3: of the things that we've read, but I think that

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Speaker 3: consent has to be at the top of the list

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Speaker 3: of things that we could talk about.

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Speaker 2: As parents, women's sport over the years has really been derogated.

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Speaker 2: It certainly has not been elevated even close to where

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Speaker 2: the men's games are, regardless of cycling or soccer or

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Speaker 2: I don't care, which I.

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Speaker 3: Don't understand though, I don't know stand why we've belittled

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to play a clip for you here

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Speaker 2: where Serena Williams is talking to David Letterman about what

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Speaker 2: would happen if she took on Andy Murray on the

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Speaker 5: I'm like, if I were to play Andy Murray, I

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Speaker 3: This isn't about her competing against him.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right, That's exactly the point that needs to be.

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Speaker 3: Why can't we enjoy women's sport? Yes, for the very

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Speaker 2: We sported it exactly.

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Speaker 3: It's not a competition against men.

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Speaker 2: So a lot of people will say, well, the game

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Speaker 3: So why are we competing?

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Speaker 2: We've moved away from the consent as a conversation, but

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Speaker 3: Start this research with me, and it's staggering how many

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Speaker 2: I'm watching my sister who is a world class dancer

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Speaker 3: It's devastating that it's happened, but the fact that it

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Speaker 3: It's optimistic in that we're recognizing and seeing that this

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