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Speaker 1: Let's get straight into it, because joining me on the

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Speaker 1: line right now is the Opposition leader Leah finocchi Ara. O.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Leah.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, Leah.

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Speaker 1: Since we last spoke, there's been some more detail revealed

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Speaker 1: the Center for National Resilience, we now know that there

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Speaker 1: is further damage. Leah. Do you think that the government

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Speaker 1: needs to disclose the cost of the damages out.

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Speaker 2: There without questioning Katie? And this is an absolute cover

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Speaker 2: up from the tash of files she has lied to

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Speaker 2: I'm you know, need to tell your listeners Katie that

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Speaker 2: last week on the seventeenth, this government opened up a

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Speaker 2: for thirty thousand dollars. What the supply labor yeap, So

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Speaker 2: we've got it. So we had last week I told

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Speaker 2: that went out for new mattresses. Well, just last week

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Speaker 2: to do an assessment of the damage. This is still

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Speaker 1: Hang on a second, Hang on, so just let me

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Speaker 1: take a step back there, So thirty thousand dollars to

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Speaker 2: Just to scope it out. And now, if you don't

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Speaker 2: won that tendicating. So if you're sending in a construction

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Speaker 2: Be significant. And that's a week before Natasha Files could

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Speaker 2: And don't forget we've had Nicole Madison and Kate Warden

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Speaker 2: the bill's already one hundred and thirty grand. Katie how Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know the damage must be unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's just incredibly disappointing. You know, at the end

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Speaker 2: And that is the question. And the fact that this

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Speaker 3: Leah.

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Speaker 1: We did have the Chief Minister on the show earlier

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Speaker 3: If you look around the world, post COVID, people's behaviors

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Speaker 1: So what are you doing to fix it?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Sorry, no, no, I'm there. Look, I mean, what

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Speaker 1: Let's move along to another really large announcement that was

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Speaker 1: Blee, do you reckon that it's going to that this

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean the shiplift has been impacted by a

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Speaker 2: again it's another significant project that may be impacted by

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Speaker 2: this review that you know, the territory, more than any

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Speaker 2: You know, we know that work is trickling down to

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Speaker 2: And so this government, both territory and federally need to

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Speaker 1: Leah, before I let you go, this one's so I

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Speaker 1: this morning. It's this proposed v park there at Bundilla Beach.

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Speaker 1: saying that the Darwin community, they're inviting people to have

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Speaker 2: if it means we're going to get more tourist to

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Speaker 2: I was thinking, and your listeners will love this, maybe

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Speaker 1: No thank you, no, thank you? That idea, no thank you.

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Speaker 1: Another really quick one, now this is one that I

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Speaker 2: Ridiculous. I mean, you know this, if that goes through,

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Speaker 2: And so I think it's going to be a disaster

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Speaker 2: if Natasha Files doesn't show leadership when it comes to

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Speaker 2: weeds grow. Maybe the weeds from her guard, and that

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but well great in the right message.

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Speaker 1: Leaf and Occhio, the opposition leader for the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 1: Always good to speak to you. Thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: No worries, take care everyone.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.