1
00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:06,680
Speaker 1: On today's show, Kerry Grubbl's tone deaf flex Sam Guggenheimer

2
00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,879
Speaker 1: sets the record straight. Sophie Keasha divides opinions by sharing

3
00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,360
Speaker 1: a charitable moment in Bali. The future of Sarah's Day's

4
00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,280
Speaker 1: holiday home is up in the air, and is Sammy

5
00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,880
Speaker 1: Robinson's single Hello and Welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose

6
00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,920
Speaker 1: that the hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week.

7
00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,840
Speaker 1: I'm Kate Torbert, and we keep having to delay recording

8
00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,200
Speaker 1: this show because we can't get off TikTok. We are

9
00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,320
Speaker 1: glued to Swift Bowl. At the moment I know most recently,

10
00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,600
Speaker 1: Taylor has just chugged down what appears to be a beer.

11
00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:38,920
Speaker 1: See I wasn't sure because there was another photo of

12
00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:40,599
Speaker 1: her with a glass of water, which would make more

13
00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,839
Speaker 1: sense because she's probably dehydrated and exhausted from flying over

14
00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,720
Speaker 1: from Tokyo. How many people are probably wishing that they

15
00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,800
Speaker 1: waited until now to copy her outfit for the Ears

16
00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,320
Speaker 1: tour because she is wearing an Australian designer. She's wearing

17
00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,120
Speaker 1: a deon lee top. It's a black corset top. She

18
00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,120
Speaker 1: also has black is at Valenciagapans and they've kind of

19
00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,800
Speaker 1: got these weird zip offs. Remind me of a pair

20
00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,720
Speaker 1: of pants you used to own back in when you

21
00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:04,960
Speaker 1: were twelve. Amy, remember those cargoes that you can nip off.

22
00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,720
Speaker 1: They're not full zip offs, they're just cuts in her jeans.

23
00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:09,960
Speaker 1: I thought that Balenciaga had been canceled.

24
00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:10,759
Speaker 2: Me too.

25
00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,720
Speaker 1: I am obsessed with her football blinged out bag. It

26
00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,040
Speaker 1: is so cute, and I'm kind of in a cocky

27
00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,400
Speaker 1: mood because I don't have my ears to her outfit sorted.

28
00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,560
Speaker 1: So I could probably maybe replicate.

29
00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,160
Speaker 2: How are you going to replicate that bag?

30
00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,399
Speaker 1: We'll get some get some gemstones. I don't know, I

31
00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,600
Speaker 1: could get crafting. I mean we haven't done our friendship

32
00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,160
Speaker 1: bracelets yet. Still. Well, so the bag, it's shaped like

33
00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,319
Speaker 1: a football, It's got eighty seven on it. She's also

34
00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,240
Speaker 1: wearing an eighty seven necklace. People are predicting that there

35
00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,400
Speaker 1: is going to be a proposal tonight if the Chiefs win,

36
00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,720
Speaker 1: because they think that this is endgame, that she's wearing

37
00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,680
Speaker 1: his number on a necklace. You sound like Dumoir at

38
00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,840
Speaker 1: the moment. They have been predicting this. No I mean,

39
00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,120
Speaker 1: welld Noir have a lot of beef with Taylor's management

40
00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,440
Speaker 1: at the moment, So there's been a real snarky vibe

41
00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,360
Speaker 1: towards and I'm not liking the tone of conversation around

42
00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,880
Speaker 1: Taylor at the moment because I heard this discussion that

43
00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,560
Speaker 1: apparently her peak was the Grammys, and then she's pissed

44
00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,920
Speaker 1: everyone off by announcing it an industry night that she's

45
00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,480
Speaker 1: releasing a new album, and apparently she was rude to

46
00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,600
Speaker 1: Seline Deonn. People are absolutely clutching at straws. It's fucking

47
00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,320
Speaker 1: bullshit talking about clutching at straws. Have you guys seen

48
00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,800
Speaker 1: all of the conspiracy theories online about how everything related

49
00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,840
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl ties back to Taylor's favorite number thirteen?

50
00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I saw someone tried to share a video

51
00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:26,840
Speaker 1: in our group saying that Taylor Swift was a witch.

52
00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:27,840
Speaker 2: I didn't approve it.

53
00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,880
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever been more excited for anything

54
00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,160
Speaker 1: in my life than this weekend when we're going to

55
00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,080
Speaker 1: see Taylor. This is getting me even more amp for it.

56
00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:38,760
Speaker 3: I love that you have a wedding coming up.

57
00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:40,280
Speaker 2: Exciting thing.

58
00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,280
Speaker 1: These fucking trumps are like, I'm joking, I'm joking. I'm

59
00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,640
Speaker 1: excited for I just think it's exciting because there's so

60
00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,880
Speaker 1: many things on. I have just organized to pick something

61
00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,760
Speaker 1: up off Facebook marketplace for my costume times it's desperate.

62
00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,679
Speaker 1: So well, my outfit is still there if anyone's looking

63
00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,840
Speaker 1: for a gold sparkly dress. Only Fans creator Carriy gribbles

64
00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,520
Speaker 1: advice to a follower has sent the Internet into a

65
00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,040
Speaker 1: spin before we get into it though, Okay, can you

66
00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,720
Speaker 1: fill us in on who Cary Gribble is well. She

67
00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,240
Speaker 1: is a sex worker from Adelaide, and she gave up

68
00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,400
Speaker 1: influencing at the end of twenty twenty two after she

69
00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,800
Speaker 1: was accused of body shaming. Fellow OnlyFans star Mikayla Testa

70
00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,840
Speaker 1: so as a refresher. During a TikTok video, Mikayla alleged

71
00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,320
Speaker 1: that a girl she met at an event called her fat.

72
00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,360
Speaker 1: On her Snapchat story, she added, if she thinks this

73
00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,160
Speaker 1: is what fat is, I'm concerned now.

74
00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:33,760
Speaker 3: While Mikayla didn't.

75
00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,080
Speaker 1: Name carry, it didn't take long for the leaks snapchat

76
00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,200
Speaker 1: story to surface. So in the video, a woman who

77
00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,800
Speaker 1: appeared to be Kerry Gribble said, Mikayla Tester is fat

78
00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,560
Speaker 1: in person. Now, Carrie Gribble ended up addressing the drama,

79
00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,520
Speaker 1: saying the only person she needed to apologize to was

80
00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,960
Speaker 1: Mikayla Tester. She then backtracked, saying that she didn't think

81
00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,200
Speaker 1: Mikayla was fat and also insisted she didn't think the

82
00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,080
Speaker 1: word fat was an insult. It did turn out the

83
00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,880
Speaker 1: snapchat was made while Kerry was drunk and it was

84
00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:04,960
Speaker 1: meant to be sent to her best friend, but ended

85
00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,280
Speaker 1: up on her story now. Last week, during an Instagram

86
00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,760
Speaker 1: Q and A, Kerry shared a message from a follower

87
00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,760
Speaker 1: that said advice for feeling lost in life. I'm twenty

88
00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,440
Speaker 1: three and feel like I'm so far behind for people

89
00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,359
Speaker 1: my age now. Kerry responded, writing, I'm twenty three and

90
00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,480
Speaker 1: I feel the same way to girlfriend. Sometimes I sit

91
00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,760
Speaker 1: back and think, fuck, I can have the air con

92
00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:27,680
Speaker 1: on for as long as I like, and I know

93
00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,200
Speaker 1: I can pay the bill for it. Then I remember

94
00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,240
Speaker 1: I'm doing pretty well. Josh and I own four houses

95
00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,080
Speaker 1: and are about to buy our fifth, and live a

96
00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,200
Speaker 1: pretty financially free lifestyle. And I feel like I'm behind too.

97
00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:39,760
Speaker 2: It's just human nature.

98
00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,839
Speaker 1: I think, Oh, what an absolute kicking the dick to

99
00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:45,279
Speaker 1: this girl who's written.

100
00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,359
Speaker 2: In humble brag.

101
00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,120
Speaker 1: Oh well, I feel behind, but I've already purchased four

102
00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,200
Speaker 1: houses and I'm only twenty three. I know. I cannot

103
00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,159
Speaker 1: get over how tone deaf this response was. Can you

104
00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,000
Speaker 1: imagine being the person who sent this question in You're

105
00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,599
Speaker 1: already feeling down about your situation? Can you read the

106
00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,159
Speaker 1: response and feel ten times worse? For some reason, I

107
00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,599
Speaker 1: just got this real insight into what being Kerry Gribble's

108
00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:07,760
Speaker 1: friend would be like.

109
00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,039
Speaker 2: Like you'd go to her with some concern.

110
00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,560
Speaker 1: And she'd make you feel take she just turns into

111
00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,560
Speaker 1: a brag about how successful she is.

112
00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:16,360
Speaker 3: I cannot believe these.

113
00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:20,599
Speaker 1: Influences actually attract followers, particularly when someone is asking them

114
00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,239
Speaker 1: for advice, and this is how they treat their audience.

115
00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,560
Speaker 1: It's like you're making so much money because of your audience.

116
00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,880
Speaker 1: Can you imagine the response in her DMS? Though, because

117
00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,279
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that this would not have gone down well,

118
00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,560
Speaker 1: not only with the person who wrote in the question,

119
00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,680
Speaker 1: but everyone else who collectively rolled their eyes when they

120
00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,520
Speaker 1: read this response. Yeah, well, it did receive a lot

121
00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,400
Speaker 1: of backlash. Kerry ended up deleting the story, and she

122
00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,160
Speaker 1: shared a follow up statement on her Instagram which said,

123
00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,719
Speaker 1: I'm saying we all feel behind it no matter what

124
00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,600
Speaker 1: situation we are in. It's human nature. Everyone's doing their

125
00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,200
Speaker 1: best to get where they need to be. Don't stress.

126
00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,240
Speaker 1: Probably could have worded what I said better, but guess what,

127
00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,320
Speaker 1: No one is actually perfect, he he as much as

128
00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,600
Speaker 1: I want to be. If you compare yourself too much

129
00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,520
Speaker 1: to people online and it gets you down, unfollowed, block, delete, remove,

130
00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,960
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera, trust me, I am very grateful

131
00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:11,960
Speaker 1: for everything I have interesting advice.

132
00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:13,159
Speaker 2: She has come out and said.

133
00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:14,880
Speaker 1: That she is no longer an influencer, and she is

134
00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:16,960
Speaker 1: a sex worker, and she has an only fans platform,

135
00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,039
Speaker 1: So maybe she genuinely doesn't care about her audience, but

136
00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,240
Speaker 1: I feel like she still needs an audience in order

137
00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,400
Speaker 1: to push them over to her only fans to monetize

138
00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,640
Speaker 1: that content. That if you're not an influencer, then why

139
00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:28,920
Speaker 1: are you putting up question and answer boxes and giving

140
00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,479
Speaker 1: out advice. Yeah, I think it's more that she got

141
00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,880
Speaker 1: dumped by brands after she called Mikayla Testa fat like

142
00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:36,680
Speaker 1: White Fox Boutique came out and said that they were

143
00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:38,839
Speaker 1: no longer working with her, So maybe it's more that

144
00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:40,320
Speaker 1: she can't actually attract brands.

145
00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:41,160
Speaker 2: I want to work with her.

146
00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,320
Speaker 1: I did love Britney Saunder's response in our Facebook group

147
00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,000
Speaker 1: to the original post that she put up, and she said,

148
00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,159
Speaker 1: is this satire? This whole thing just shows how out

149
00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,520
Speaker 1: of touch some people are. The fact that she read

150
00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,520
Speaker 1: over this thought I'm going to post this, This is

151
00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,440
Speaker 1: going to get a good response. I'm going to help

152
00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,240
Speaker 1: this person out. But it also demonstrates how Britney Saunder's

153
00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,359
Speaker 1: on top of her game in the influencing space because

154
00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,600
Speaker 1: she just gets it. TikTok is Sam Guggenheimer has set

155
00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,960
Speaker 1: the records straight. She's come out swinging, denying that cheating

156
00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,520
Speaker 1: played a part in her breakup with AFL football at

157
00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,480
Speaker 1: Caleb Polter. She's also touched on those Sofa DOPHA rumors.

158
00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:17,320
Speaker 2: Nowkay, can you.

159
00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,680
Speaker 3: Give us a background on Sam and Caleb.

160
00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, for those who don't follow Sam, they dated

161
00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,640
Speaker 1: for two and a half years before announcing their breakup

162
00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,880
Speaker 1: in January, and their relationship was really public. So Sam

163
00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,760
Speaker 1: used to share lots of content with Caleb on her TikTok,

164
00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,360
Speaker 1: where she has over two hundred and twenty four thousand followers.

165
00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,600
Speaker 1: She's also interviewed him on her podcast Just for Girls,

166
00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,000
Speaker 1: So naturally a lot of people were really invested in

167
00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,920
Speaker 1: their relationship and wanted to know what happened now. Sam's

168
00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,280
Speaker 1: comment section on TikTok was of course rife with speculation,

169
00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,000
Speaker 1: with a lot of people asking her what happened between

170
00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,680
Speaker 1: her and Caleb, which led her to reply this to

171
00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,800
Speaker 1: one follower. I understand people are curious, but that doesn't

172
00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,240
Speaker 1: mean they need to be rude and invasive. You will

173
00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,840
Speaker 1: get your answers on my podcast on Tuesday, and that's

174
00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,680
Speaker 1: the only platform I'll talk about it on. It's not

175
00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,360
Speaker 1: about copying the heat. It's about realizing I'm a real

176
00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,520
Speaker 1: human being and I should be able to talk on

177
00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,440
Speaker 1: my own terms without people jumping down my throat about

178
00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,960
Speaker 1: it now. Sam went on to confirm the breakup on

179
00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,040
Speaker 1: the episode of Just for Girls, saying that the relationship

180
00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,800
Speaker 1: had run its course. She also said that nothing bad

181
00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,840
Speaker 1: ever happened in their relationship and no one cheated. I

182
00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,800
Speaker 1: did find it interesting that she's like, I'm not talking

183
00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,920
Speaker 1: about it except on my podcast, which I monetize it. Well,

184
00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,400
Speaker 1: it's a clever move. I'd probably do the same thing,

185
00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,199
Speaker 1: to be honest. I did see a lot of people

186
00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,920
Speaker 1: saying that that was bullshit, that she's spoken so much

187
00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,559
Speaker 1: on her social platforms, yet she'll only address.

188
00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:40,160
Speaker 2: Her on her podcast.

189
00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,560
Speaker 1: It makes sense to address her on a podcast because

190
00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,840
Speaker 1: a podcast is one of those platforms where you can

191
00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,440
Speaker 1: talk about it in more detail. Yeah, but TikTok allows

192
00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,080
Speaker 1: long form videos. She could have easily chatted directly to

193
00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,079
Speaker 1: the camera about the breakerp Now the drama all unfolded

194
00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:57,080
Speaker 1: after an influencer watchdog account on TikTok called influencer tee

195
00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:01,199
Speaker 1: Oz shared an anonymous message they received about Sam and Caleb.

196
00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:06,000
Speaker 1: The unverified message said additional information on Sam and Caleb's breakup,

197
00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,359
Speaker 1: she was the biggest control freak with him and absolutely

198
00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,800
Speaker 1: cracked it whenever he would go out. She was the

199
00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,000
Speaker 1: most col I don't know why this cracks me up

200
00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,480
Speaker 1: so much, just the fact that it's from someone anonymous.

201
00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,959
Speaker 1: She was the most controlling girlfriend to him. Also, allegedly,

202
00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,440
Speaker 1: this one isn't confirmed, but it could be said that

203
00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:26,000
Speaker 1: Sofa hooked up with Izzy's ex boyfriend Bailey Smith and

204
00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:27,559
Speaker 1: that's why they're not friends anymore.

205
00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:28,120
Speaker 2: As well.

206
00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:32,280
Speaker 1: Another rumor is apparently Izzy is an alcoholic and Sofa's

207
00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,079
Speaker 1: mum didn't want her hanging around. I do want to

208
00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:39,560
Speaker 1: reiterate here that these are completely unsubstantiated rumors. This is

209
00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,160
Speaker 1: coming from an unverified source, and easy Armitage has since

210
00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,760
Speaker 1: commented saying it's all shit that's been made up. Yeah,

211
00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:47,640
Speaker 1: I think we wanted to read it out because it

212
00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,160
Speaker 1: just shows how ridiculous it is for some of these

213
00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,360
Speaker 1: pages to share these ridiculous messages. This could be anyone

214
00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,080
Speaker 1: with a grudge sending this crap in, so as you

215
00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:58,800
Speaker 1: were reading it out, it just reminds me of this

216
00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,200
Speaker 1: viral TikTok that my sister in law sent me that

217
00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:05,040
Speaker 1: it's literally labeled me at my geriatric age, fully invested

218
00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:09,400
Speaker 1: in teenage child popcorn long oh gosh, I could definitely

219
00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,360
Speaker 1: relate to that now. In a now deleted eight minute

220
00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,800
Speaker 1: TikTok video, Sam said it was time for her to

221
00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,760
Speaker 1: set the record straight because she was sick of saying silent.

222
00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:19,160
Speaker 2: Let's throw to what she said.

223
00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,720
Speaker 4: I spoke my truth. Caleb and I had a very

224
00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,320
Speaker 4: healthy and beautiful relationship. I have nothing but love for Caleb.

225
00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,800
Speaker 4: I hope that he's doing well. Caleb and I do

226
00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,040
Speaker 4: not talk anymore. Caleb and I did not cheat on

227
00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,600
Speaker 4: each other. You guys don't know when Caleb and I

228
00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,080
Speaker 4: broke up, and there was no cheating involved. There was

229
00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:39,760
Speaker 4: nothing bad involved.

230
00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:40,960
Speaker 2: Now.

231
00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,520
Speaker 1: Sam also shut down allegations that the couple split because

232
00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:48,000
Speaker 1: she tried to control Caleb. She denied the allegations and

233
00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,520
Speaker 1: said that her ex boyfriend used to go out almost

234
00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,720
Speaker 1: every second weekend when he wasn't playing football and she

235
00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,920
Speaker 1: had no issue with it. She also added that Caleb

236
00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,200
Speaker 1: would back her up if they were speaking. Look, I

237
00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,120
Speaker 1: don't think there's anything wrong with someone being concerned that

238
00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:07,280
Speaker 1: their AFL player boyfriend is going out every single weekend

239
00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,920
Speaker 1: when girls are probably throwing themselves at them, as if

240
00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,280
Speaker 1: anyone's going to be pleased about that. These people are

241
00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,440
Speaker 1: like twenty three years old as well. It did crack

242
00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,600
Speaker 1: me up, Amy that meme that you just said before,

243
00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,480
Speaker 1: because I felt so old watching this ten minute video,

244
00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,920
Speaker 1: like it was just hilarious, especially when you see the

245
00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,680
Speaker 1: guys and they look so young and they've all got mullets,

246
00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,839
Speaker 1: and you're like, these are the hot footy players out there,

247
00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,760
Speaker 1: because they looked a lot different when we were in

248
00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:31,720
Speaker 1: our twelve The thing is, this does not make me

249
00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,040
Speaker 1: believe her at all. Though oh no, I was totally

250
00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,040
Speaker 1: fine with him going out every weekend. The fact that

251
00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,720
Speaker 1: she's specified he went out every second weekend, that's comment

252
00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,520
Speaker 1: there made me think this was a huge issue in

253
00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:45,120
Speaker 1: their relationship. Yeah, and it's also interesting that she felt

254
00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,920
Speaker 1: the need to address it when clearly the message that

255
00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,200
Speaker 1: was sent in seemed like a load of bullshit, like

256
00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,760
Speaker 1: it almost adds smoke to the fire. Yeah. I wonder

257
00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,200
Speaker 1: if this was sent in either by someone who doesn't

258
00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,240
Speaker 1: like her, or maybe someone knew that Caleb is seeing

259
00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,199
Speaker 1: I think a friend. Yeah, I think it's just someone

260
00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,160
Speaker 1: that doesn't like her. Do we think it's sort of

261
00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,680
Speaker 1: got Morgan Waterhouse vibes where Caleb's friends, like maybe some

262
00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,600
Speaker 1: of his footy player friends are riding in trying about her.

263
00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,720
Speaker 1: I think this was definitely written by a girl.

264
00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:12,520
Speaker 2: Now.

265
00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,560
Speaker 1: The second rumor Sam shut down was in relation to

266
00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:20,079
Speaker 1: her former friend and fellow influencer Sofa Dofa. So, according

267
00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,040
Speaker 1: to the TikTok rumor mill, Sam hooked up with Sofa

268
00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,760
Speaker 1: Dovera's ex, Jordan. Let's throw to what she said.

269
00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,200
Speaker 4: About that second rumor is that I hooked up with

270
00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,760
Speaker 4: my friend Jordan, And this is honestly laughable at this point.

271
00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,800
Speaker 4: Jordan and I were friends before I was friends with Sofa.

272
00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,960
Speaker 4: I have nothing but love and respect for sof I

273
00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,320
Speaker 4: don't think she's a bad person.

274
00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,319
Speaker 1: Sam then went on to confirm that she is no

275
00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,679
Speaker 1: longer friends with Sophia. She also criticized influencer watchdog accounts

276
00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,160
Speaker 1: and forums like Tea Time for spreading these sorts of rumors. Now.

277
00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,920
Speaker 1: I found this interesting because it was only last week

278
00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,480
Speaker 1: where she shared a photo aimed at Tea Time. So

279
00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,440
Speaker 1: for those who haven't seen the photo, she uploaded a

280
00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,920
Speaker 1: group photo with some friends, but she was leaning into

281
00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,680
Speaker 1: Sofa Doph's X. Jordan and wrote for Tea Time. Sam

282
00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,000
Speaker 1: went on to confirm that she is no longer friends

283
00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:16,520
Speaker 1: with Sofia. She also criticized influencer watchdog accounts and forums

284
00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,360
Speaker 1: like Tea Time for spreading these sorts of rumors. Now,

285
00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,040
Speaker 1: it's interesting she pointed the finger at Tea Time because

286
00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,720
Speaker 1: it was only last week that she shared a photo

287
00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,000
Speaker 1: aimed at them, So for those who haven't seen the photo,

288
00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,880
Speaker 1: she uploaded a group picture with some friends. However, in

289
00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,520
Speaker 1: the photo, she is leaning on Sofa Doph's X, and

290
00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:40,000
Speaker 1: she wrote for tea Time, so she's clearly baiting the forum. However,

291
00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,280
Speaker 1: then she's telling them all not to speculate about her.

292
00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,120
Speaker 1: But I'm like, you're giving them stuff to speculate about.

293
00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:49,080
Speaker 1: But it shows how powerful these gossip pages are becoming,

294
00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,600
Speaker 1: the fact that the influencers themselves are actually engaging with them.

295
00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:54,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of a silly move because so

296
00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,960
Speaker 1: many people who follow her are going to go, well,

297
00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,160
Speaker 1: what's tea Time? I'm going to follow that. It adds

298
00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,960
Speaker 1: it makes that page grow even more powerful. This is

299
00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,120
Speaker 1: my pet peeve though, when people purposely put information out

300
00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,960
Speaker 1: there that baits others and then it's like, how fucking

301
00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,160
Speaker 1: dare you comment on it? Also by her saying, oh, yeah,

302
00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,880
Speaker 1: I only have love and respect for Sophia, but I'm

303
00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,400
Speaker 1: literally posting a picture of me coosing up to her

304
00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,080
Speaker 1: ex boyfriend. Why don't you explain what the friendship breakup

305
00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:19,760
Speaker 1: is about? Then?

306
00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,160
Speaker 2: Or you know, there's obviously more there.

307
00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,040
Speaker 1: There's a lot of rumors that the friendship breakdown happen

308
00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:29,400
Speaker 1: because Sam is close to Jordan, Sophia's X, so it

309
00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,440
Speaker 1: just adds fuel to the speculation. I've seen so many

310
00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,440
Speaker 1: influencers recently in podcasts talking about these gossip pages, and

311
00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,160
Speaker 1: they're like, I don't understand why people care so much

312
00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,440
Speaker 1: about it. Because you're an influence and you put your

313
00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,840
Speaker 1: whole life out online. It's people care if you can't

314
00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,440
Speaker 1: take the good but not the bad. These people are

315
00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,120
Speaker 1: Australian celebrities.

316
00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,000
Speaker 2: Now and that's why people are interested.

317
00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,560
Speaker 1: I do understand where they're coming from, because I think

318
00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,560
Speaker 1: that as the Internet grows and develops, there are some

319
00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,720
Speaker 1: pages that have a little bit more validity. So we

320
00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,320
Speaker 1: Jane Dumois absolutely explode in the US. However, this page

321
00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,320
Speaker 1: that actually caused all the drama only has five hundred followers.

322
00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,440
Speaker 1: It's clearly run by some teenager that has no understanding

323
00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,040
Speaker 1: of ethics or reporting. And I think it is going

324
00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,760
Speaker 1: to take some big defamation case against one of these

325
00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,640
Speaker 1: types of pages for people to kind of back off

326
00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,960
Speaker 1: a little bit, because at the moment the Internet is

327
00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:23,960
Speaker 1: the wild West. It seems like people can post whatever

328
00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,880
Speaker 1: they want and it could have really bad ramifications, not

329
00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,200
Speaker 1: only for the person that owns the page, but for

330
00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:34,360
Speaker 1: the influencers they're speaking about. Sarah's day says she's come

331
00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,120
Speaker 1: full circle and is ready to share a lot again.

332
00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,800
Speaker 1: On YouTube, The Holistic Health Princess has stuck to her word,

333
00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,440
Speaker 1: sharing intimate details about trying for baby number three and

334
00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,320
Speaker 1: her holiday renovation plans. Now so if Sarah also said

335
00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,560
Speaker 1: her platform feels like a safe place again, yeah, that's right.

336
00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,560
Speaker 1: In her most recent YouTube video, Sarah said she finally

337
00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,000
Speaker 1: feels like opening up again after a tumultuous few years.

338
00:15:58,320 --> 00:15:59,120
Speaker 2: Here's what she said.

339
00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,240
Speaker 4: I feel like my old self would have really shied

340
00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:03,240
Speaker 4: away from this conversation.

341
00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,040
Speaker 2: I've been through a lot of seasons of.

342
00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,320
Speaker 4: YouTube where I was like when I first started YouTube,

343
00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:11,080
Speaker 4: I was super vulnerable, super open, super raw, and then

344
00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:12,320
Speaker 4: the internet went through this.

345
00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:16,040
Speaker 1: Really crazy phase of like being really intense, so I

346
00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:17,920
Speaker 1: pulled back a lot and I didn't share a lot.

347
00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,120
Speaker 4: But anyway, I'm feeling like I had kind of compound.

348
00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,080
Speaker 2: Where I want to share a lot again.

349
00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:24,880
Speaker 1: It feels nice to like bring.

350
00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,640
Speaker 4: You along on this journey and just feel really open

351
00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,320
Speaker 4: and vulnerable about what we're going through.

352
00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,520
Speaker 1: At the moment. When I watched this for the first time,

353
00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,120
Speaker 1: I couldn't help but feel really agitated that she was

354
00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,840
Speaker 1: putting the blame on her audience. That being said, I

355
00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,560
Speaker 1: understand where she's coming from because during the pandemic it

356
00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:43,160
Speaker 1: was a really weird time where people were overly analyzing

357
00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,880
Speaker 1: influencers behavior and it sort of marked this switch and

358
00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:48,000
Speaker 1: how we felt about them.

359
00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,280
Speaker 2: But I don't think that that's.

360
00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,040
Speaker 1: Solely why Sarah copped a lot of criticism. There were

361
00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,840
Speaker 1: so many problematic things that she did and said, and

362
00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,160
Speaker 1: I think it's really unfair of her to blame it

363
00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,720
Speaker 1: all on her audience and the time it was. It's

364
00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:03,840
Speaker 1: kind of like gas lighting, Like, oh, by the way,

365
00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,480
Speaker 1: everyone forget about all of that problematic stuff I did

366
00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,720
Speaker 1: because the internet it was just crazy at that time.

367
00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:09,720
Speaker 2: It wasn't anything idea.

368
00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,639
Speaker 1: It's not taking any ownership over the problematic things that

369
00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,760
Speaker 1: she did or said, and makes those apologies that she

370
00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,720
Speaker 1: issued just seems so fake. Yeah. I do think her

371
00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,520
Speaker 1: devoted audience will be so excited though that she is

372
00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,240
Speaker 1: going back to her og days of YouTube and she's

373
00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,880
Speaker 1: going to share everything. But I do wonder how she

374
00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,800
Speaker 1: will navigate this being a mum, because I think it

375
00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,640
Speaker 1: is so different bearing at all and telling all these

376
00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:36,320
Speaker 1: intimate details about yourself and your relationship when you and

377
00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,040
Speaker 1: your partner are making that decision, but when your kids

378
00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,760
Speaker 1: don't have any agency in that decision. It becomes so

379
00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,320
Speaker 1: much murder, but you just never stop doing that. She's

380
00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,880
Speaker 1: filmed both of her children's births. We know so much

381
00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,800
Speaker 1: about her kids, Fox and Malachi. I just think she's

382
00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,399
Speaker 1: pumping it up because it's quite clear that over the

383
00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,320
Speaker 1: last two years, when you look at her social blade.

384
00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,919
Speaker 1: We spoke about it last week, she is hemorrhaging followers

385
00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,840
Speaker 1: rather than gay followers. She lost about fifteen thousand over

386
00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,399
Speaker 1: the last two years. Well that is huge because the

387
00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,600
Speaker 1: three years prior she gained six hundred. Okay, in the

388
00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,400
Speaker 1: past couple of days since our podcast went to air,

389
00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,720
Speaker 1: suddenly there's been a bit of a jump in her followers.

390
00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,920
Speaker 1: So some people are assuming maybe it's a business tactic

391
00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:18,520
Speaker 1: and perhaps she's buying them back again.

392
00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,520
Speaker 2: That is unsubstantiate. That is just speculation.

393
00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,879
Speaker 1: It's interesting timing considering she's shut down the Sunny app

394
00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,680
Speaker 1: because it looks like now she's gone, oh wait a second,

395
00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,679
Speaker 1: I actually have to put a lot of time and

396
00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,679
Speaker 1: effort into my YouTube channel again in order to be

397
00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,640
Speaker 1: able to be a stay at home mum, in order

398
00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,160
Speaker 1: to grow the channel, because as you said, the channel

399
00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,400
Speaker 1: has just dropped in popularity, and she would be looking

400
00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,480
Speaker 1: back and going, well, the time when it was most

401
00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,600
Speaker 1: popular was when I was so open.

402
00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:46,800
Speaker 2: And real and honest in my audience.

403
00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,560
Speaker 1: Would also know that she's thirty one, she's still got

404
00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,920
Speaker 1: a big career ahead of her course, and she needs

405
00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,080
Speaker 1: people to start buying back into her life.

406
00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:54,920
Speaker 2: She does, but.

407
00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,320
Speaker 1: It's interesting because she's made so many flexes in the

408
00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,119
Speaker 1: past that she doesn't need to do this since she

409
00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:00,800
Speaker 1: set herself up financially.

410
00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:01,960
Speaker 2: So maybe it's a.

411
00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,960
Speaker 1: Bit of an ego thing as well, because she's probably

412
00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:09,040
Speaker 1: so used to always just attracting new followers, and it's

413
00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:10,639
Speaker 1: probably a bit of a blow to her because she

414
00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,679
Speaker 1: has a whole team now that would be tracking her

415
00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:14,920
Speaker 1: analytics and they would have to report back and say,

416
00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,200
Speaker 1: you're actually losing followers. We need to change things up.

417
00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,280
Speaker 1: It's funny because at the start of each year she

418
00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,800
Speaker 1: always claims that she is going to change her content,

419
00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:25,960
Speaker 1: and last year she spoke about how she wanted to

420
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,959
Speaker 1: do more sort of tutorial videos. However, she's finally listened

421
00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,000
Speaker 1: to her audience. Her audience just want to know the

422
00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,040
Speaker 1: nitty gritty of her life and see her log and

423
00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,719
Speaker 1: we've got to remember she would make a large portion

424
00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:39,920
Speaker 1: of her income from all of her deals with White

425
00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,320
Speaker 1: Fox Boutique and White Fox Boutique. Although they've worked with

426
00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,000
Speaker 1: her for a long time, they're not going to be loyal.

427
00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,520
Speaker 1: If she starts bombing and stuff doesn't keep selling, that.

428
00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:50,399
Speaker 2: Will just get rid of her.

429
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,760
Speaker 1: A lot of her partnerships have fallen by the way side.

430
00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,879
Speaker 1: She had longer works with Tropeeka, who were a long

431
00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,639
Speaker 1: term sponsor of her. Well, watching this recent video, I

432
00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:03,320
Speaker 1: did I'd feel transported back to twenty seventeen because Sarah

433
00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,919
Speaker 1: was sharing very intimate details about her attempts to conceive.

434
00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:08,840
Speaker 2: So she dived into how she's.

435
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,000
Speaker 1: Very in tune with her body and those when she's

436
00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,080
Speaker 1: ovulating due to ovulation pain. She opened up about her

437
00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:18,639
Speaker 1: libido and her different discharge. It was very twenty seventeen.

438
00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,520
Speaker 1: She also revealed the length of time that her and

439
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 1: her partner have been trying for kids for so she

440
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,439
Speaker 1: specified that it was four months and she said for

441
00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,800
Speaker 1: some people that is nothing, but for her, she conceived

442
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,200
Speaker 1: her son Malachi in their first try.

443
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,240
Speaker 2: So this is very new to rain for them.

444
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:38,439
Speaker 1: While that does sound very insensitive for some people because

445
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,600
Speaker 1: for a lot of people. Four months is nothing to

446
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,440
Speaker 1: be trying. I do think she is making a real

447
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,880
Speaker 1: attempt to be more sensitive, because there were so many

448
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 1: more sort of disclaimers disclaimers, and she said, I'm trying

449
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,240
Speaker 1: to be sensitive, and I know it's really difficult for

450
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,159
Speaker 1: my followers, So I think she's trying to be better

451
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,200
Speaker 1: in that regard. And I do find it somewhat refreshing

452
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 1: to actually hear about someone's journey of conceiving, because in

453
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 1: the past, as she said, she would have never opened

454
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,119
Speaker 1: up about it. But maybe it's good that she feels

455
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 1: in a safe spot that she can see. I don't agree,

456
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,440
Speaker 1: because I find it quite disingenuous when influencers spurred out

457
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,719
Speaker 1: all of these things, but then they whack on in

458
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,440
Speaker 1: the end some sort of disclaim it that doesn't actually

459
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 1: make sense to what they've just said. It's like you're

460
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 1: literally monetizing your pregnancy journey online. Well, I guess we'll

461
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 1: have to agree to disagree, because I thought she was

462
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 1: quite sensitive. Now, over the weekend, Sarah and Kurt made

463
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 1: the last minute decision to travel up to the coast

464
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,399
Speaker 1: to visit their holiday house. Now, for some background, the

465
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,679
Speaker 1: couple purchased the holiday house last March, with plans to

466
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 1: bulldoze the current house that's there and build a luxury

467
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 1: villain from scratch that will be hired out for photoshoots,

468
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 1: events and as an airbnb. They also plan to use

469
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 1: it to holiday there as well.

470
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 2: Now. Luckily, at the very last minute.

471
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 1: They found a luxury holiday house to stay in whilst

472
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 1: they were up there, and it turns out the owner

473
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,719
Speaker 1: of the holiday home is a Sarah's Day fan and

474
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 1: even had.

475
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,200
Speaker 2: A copy of her book at the accommodation.

476
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 1: It was very confusing though whether this holiday was gifted,

477
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 1: because on Sunday night, Sarah shared a carousel of images

478
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,120
Speaker 1: on her Instagram of her family at the accommodation and wrote,

479
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 1: to accommodate our quick trip up here, we found this

480
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 1: gorgeous Hampton style home to stay at and wow, I

481
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,199
Speaker 1: could not recommend enough for young families. We loved it

482
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 1: and the boys legitimately cried when we had to leave.

483
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 1: She then proceeded to tag the account called Magnolia House

484
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,879
Speaker 1: in her post and subsequent stories. She also heavily praised

485
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,400
Speaker 1: the accommodation, saying she highly recommends it for young families

486
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 1: and thanked them for the stay. This was really over

487
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 1: the top because the previous night she was even plugging

488
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,160
Speaker 1: the accommodation and at first I thought, oh, she's been

489
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 1: quite genuine, But then when she started to drop that

490
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 1: the person had her cookbook there and then started tagging

491
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 1: it and sharing all these photos, I was like, there's

492
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 1: no way that she is just doing this. Yeah.

493
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:57,919
Speaker 2: Well, clearly this did.

494
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 1: Result in a lot of foot traffic to the account's

495
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: page because the owner said that there were so many

496
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: people on the website and she kept telling people to

497
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 1: be patient with trying to lock in different dates, and

498
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,360
Speaker 1: she also thanked them for the overwhelming amount of support

499
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: and love she was receiving on her account. See. I

500
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 1: was confused also because I know that Sarah's days home

501
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 1: is a long way off being finished, but it was

502
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,679
Speaker 1: almost like this person will probably be a competitor for her,

503
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: because I noticed that the house also is available for

504
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: photo shoots and all these different things.

505
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 2: Either there is some.

506
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: Personal relationship going on between the pair and maybe they're

507
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: going to work together, like maybe they might get this

508
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 1: person to rent their property out and they're taking advice

509
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 1: for them, so maybe they'll offer it up if one

510
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 1: of their houses isn't available.

511
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 2: The thing is the woman said it was a.

512
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 1: Pleasure hosting Sarah and her family and that she was

513
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: feeling very grateful. So either Sarah has posted this out

514
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: of the goodness of her heart, or because there's some

515
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: new working relationship that she's drummed up with this person,

516
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 1: or it was gifted.

517
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 2: I'm just so confused, and Sarah.

518
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: Might have done something nice, but I just get so

519
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 1: annoyed when I see something that looks a lot like

520
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: an ad that is not disclosed. Also, I do notice

521
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,880
Speaker 1: that influencers will now say, oh, by the way, this

522
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: is not sponsored, but there wasn't any sort of disclaimer

523
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: there either, And it just shows how important it actually

524
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 1: is for influencers to properly disclose their partnerships because then

525
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 1: there is so much animosity when people genuinely do share things,

526
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: because there's so much confusion.

527
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 2: You're like, did you get this a free or not?

528
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. There also seems to be some confusion over the

529
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 1: future of their new holiday home, so in the same post,

530
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: Sarah wrote, as most of you know, we purchased a

531
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: pretty special piece of land last year that we will

532
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 1: build an equally special Mediterranean inspired holiday villa. On After

533
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: meeting with our architect last week and reviewing the most

534
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: recent design, Kurt and I just wanted to stand on

535
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 1: the property and get a feel for the proposed design

536
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: and home flow, she continued, saying, we may be driving

537
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: home now with more questions than we have answers, haha,

538
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: but I'm excited to get stuck into this new venture.

539
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: See to me this this is another baiting of a

540
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: new topic that she'll be exploring on her social media.

541
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 1: I did laugh at her describing it as a holiday villa.

542
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 1: It seems like they're not convinced though about their architect's design,

543
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: so I wonder what that means. Are they thinking we're

544
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 1: not going to be opening this up for events. Are

545
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: we going to be switching to maybe just a holiday

546
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: house that we can rent out as in AIRBNBA.

547
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 2: Just sounds like rich people problems.

548
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: I's got so many more questions the moment. Personally, do

549
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: not care about her renovation videos like she do, don't.

550
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 2: I greatly do.

551
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: The one about her office was so boring, and also

552
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: she tried to share this whole series when she moved

553
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: into a new house and they changed everything and we

554
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: never got a tour at the end of it hanging.

555
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 2: It needs to be timely.

556
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 1: The reason I wasn't interested in the House of Grom's

557
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: renovation is because we'd already seen it.

558
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 2: We'd already seen photos, had already been there.

559
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: If she's going to do this renovation series properly, it

560
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: needs to be done in a timely fashion when we're

561
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: all buying in.

562
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 2: And I don't think it will.

563
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: I think she gets excited at the start and then

564
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: it's never followed through properly. I think what happens is

565
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: they want to do a really fancy walkthrough and it

566
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: involves Kurt or Kurt star filming it, and it always

567
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: seems to be obviously for their business, it's probably the

568
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: last thing that they actually whereas most people would probably

569
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: just prefer to see Sarah shooting it organically and not

570
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 1: worrying about the fancy shot exactly. It appears Sammy Robinson

571
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: is single. The fashion designer has dropped hints that her

572
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: relationship with rugby player Harrison Mattel is over before we

573
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: get into it. So can you tell us about Sammy

574
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: and Harrison? Well, Sammy hard launched her relationship with Harrison

575
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: in September, sharing very loved up pictures of the couple,

576
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: including a personalized key chain with their photo on it

577
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: that must have gone in the bin by now. It

578
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 1: is likely that they started dating before July twenty twenty three,

579
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: as Sammy mentioned that he joined her at a birthdate dinner. Now,

580
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: everyone was really excited about this relationship because they wanted

581
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: to see Sammy move on from Jordan Simmy because they

582
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: kept getting back together. He had that whole boxing match

583
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 1: fighting for her. It was all very odd, but there

584
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: was some skepticism because Harrison was also a rugby player

585
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: and they don't always have the best rap no, and

586
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: it is clear that Sammy agreed to do a bunch

587
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 1: of Valentine's Day promotions while she was in a relationship

588
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: with Harrison, but it seems like she's majorly regretting it now.

589
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: She begrudgingly promoted Max Valentine's Day sale by saying this

590
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: speak of Valentine's Day so good. What we do well, however,

591
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: is that mac is run a promotion for Valentine's Day,

592
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: and then in another Valentine's Day promotion for Dyson, she

593
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: confirmed she doesn't have a date, saying this around the corner,

594
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:03,479
Speaker 1: I don't personally have Valentine's Day this year. Now, it

595
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: is clear it's still very fresh as when Sammy said

596
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 1: that her sister Kate, who was in the video with her,

597
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: hugged her. Now a week ago, Sammy was also miming

598
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: to this song on TikTok. I want to answer that question, Sammy. No,

599
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: there is absolutely nothing wrong with you. I would love

600
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: to be your Gallentine Sammy Robinson.

601
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: I'm just joking. I'm just joking.

602
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: There's absolutely nothing wrong with her. I think the only

603
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: thing that's wrong with her is her choice in men.

604
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 1: Do you think all the brands that picked her to

605
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: do Valentine's Day promotions are annoyed because in the MAC

606
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: video it seemed like it was really painful for her

607
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: to even mention Valentine's Day. I would be wrapped if

608
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: I was this brand, because I'm thinking, well, there's probably

609
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: more people sending this on because they're speculating what has

610
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: gone on, and also people enjoy seeing people being broken

611
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: up with just putting it out there.

612
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: No one loves seeing people so loved to heart. I do.

613
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: And you are a professional of her to actually, you know,

614
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: actually do the ad. Yeah, exactly, absolutely pro professional at

615
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: work there.

616
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 2: She is getting her jobs done.

617
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: I despite this heart wrenching breakup, I do have to

618
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: admit I actually did buy from the sale after seeing

619
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: her video, so it did work. I am so interested

620
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: to see who Sammy moves on with, because surely she

621
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: can't make the same mistake twice in terms of she

622
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: needs to go for a different type of guy. Is

623
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: Nick still about the place, because I still have a

624
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: soft spot for them. I don't think we want to

625
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: go back to him. We want a new guy. Maybe

626
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: not an athlete, Yes, I think move away from the athletes.

627
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: Sophie Kasha has shared an emotional video of her embracing

628
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: a Balinese nanny after she gave her money. In the video,

629
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: the nanny, who has looked after Sophie's children in Bali

630
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: over the last six years, broke down in hysterical tears.

631
00:29:53,880 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: Let's throw to the video. I can.

632
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: It's okay, I do as I want to thank my family.

633
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 2: I'll see you next time. When I got back, I'll

634
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: be back. So I'll be backin Oh you can call us.

635
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 3: Now.

636
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 2: Sophie captured the video.

637
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: One of the greatest privileges I have as a mother

638
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: is to teach the power of giving, for it is

639
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: in giving that we truly receive. Kadik has given me

640
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: the greatest gift by showing my children unconditional love and

641
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: protection in Bali for six year. Is now, what did

642
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: you guys think about this? I just found it uncomfortable.

643
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: I do love the sentiment that she's trying to share,

644
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: but it doesn't feel right with me.

645
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: To film that moment.

646
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: It just seems like you're trying to prove how generous

647
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: you are, and to me, charity is about doing something

648
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: nice but not having to seek a reward from it,

649
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: because she's being rewarded by everyone going wow, good job,

650
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: hard back. It just a matter of one of those

651
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: TikTok parodies where there's always that rich Instagram girl and

652
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: they're like filming themselves handing out money to the homeless

653
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: just to get a reaction, and also to share this

654
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: woman in such a vulnerable moment. Obviously, whatever Sophie gave

655
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: her she really appreciated, and we're not trying to take

656
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: that away from her. But just put your phone down

657
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: and enjoy the moment. You don't have to share with

658
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: your followers how generous you've got. It seems like a

659
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: humble brag and this is something that you know she's

660
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: saying here, Oh, this is I'm teaching my daughter about,

661
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: you know, giving and privilege. Have that as a private discussion, Yeah,

662
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: obviously had the discussion with your daughter.

663
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: We don't necessarily need to hear because.

664
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: She says, oh, the greatest gift is giving, but you're

665
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: actually receiving yourself. You're receiving clout and also admiration because

666
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: of your generosity. I remember years ago when an influencer

667
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: had to film themselves handing out a banana to a

668
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: homeless man and they included his face in it, and

669
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: it just makes you feel sick to my stomach because

670
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: it's such an invasion of privacy. It would be different

671
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: if she wanted to promote this woman's services on her channel,

672
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: which I think she has done in the past. Yeah,

673
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: but yeah, and it just it made the relationship seem

674
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: really you know, I'm up here and you're down yeah,

675
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: which I didn't like. An imbalance of power, and it

676
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: kind of takes away from the charitable act as well.

677
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: Definitely.

678
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: Well, I think that is all we have time for today.

679
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us for this episode.

680
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: If you have enjoyed it, could you please make sure

681
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: you are subscribed to on Apple podcast and also Spotify,

682
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: and if you do want to hear more from us,

683
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: we do have some debscriber episodes that drop every Thursday

684
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: where we discuss influences, different dileammas. We do deep dives

685
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: a bit of everything, and this podcast was recorded on

686
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: the traditional land of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Plains.

687
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 3: We pay respect to elders past and present,