1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Now joining me on the line right now from Central Australia. 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 2: It is the Member for Namajira, Bill Yan. Good morning 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 2: to you. 4 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 3: Bill, Good morning Katie, and good morning to ever on 5 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:11,319 Speaker 3: the top end. Bill. 6 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: There has been a lot to take in so far 7 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 1: this morning. I'm not sure if you've been listening to 8 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: the show, but mate, what do you think of this 9 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: story that's broken this morning about the Northern Territory Police 10 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: Minister Brent Potter. These historical these posts from a number 11 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: of years ago that have been shared, you know that 12 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: many would view as being racist posts. 13 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, well I was coming on this morning, Katie is 14 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 3: to talk about health. But yeah, yeah, day is a 15 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 3: long time in territory politics. But this is the third 16 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 3: integrity issue for Eva Lawler since she became a Chief 17 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 3: Ministry in December, and two of those integrity issues now 18 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 3: surround Brent Potter. This is another mess of labors own 19 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 3: making and at the end of the day, the Chief 20 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 3: Minister and the Police Minister now they need to come 21 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 3: out and I said, front territories, front the media, front 22 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 3: the media and explain themselves and explain what all of 23 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 3: this means. Because I think the people the territory deserve 24 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 3: to know what's going on because this brings in the 25 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 3: question the integrity again of government and the police. 26 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: Minister Bill Brent Potter has issued a statement to us saying, 27 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: like most people in my past, I've posted or shared 28 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: controversial content on Facebook, but that does not mean that 29 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,199 Speaker 1: I ever agreed with all the views expressed in them. 30 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: These were reposts on Facebook, were between eight and ten 31 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: years ago, when I was in my twenties, and do 32 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 1: not define my. 33 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: Views on any subject. 34 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: As a defense veteran who served for fifteen years, I 35 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: use social media as a way to connect with others 36 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: who have been through similar experiences, and that included sharing 37 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: military themed, cynical and satirical humor that would not be 38 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: understood by those who haven't served and he reckons in 39 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: my twenty I, like many people that age, have done 40 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: things on social media that I regret and I'd never 41 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: do it again with the benefit of hindsight. 42 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: Is that good enough? 43 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 3: No? Look I don't think so, Katie. It's a bit 44 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 3: of a cop out again, trying to use your previous 45 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 3: work or previous employment to justify your actions. Again. Look, 46 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 3: I think he needs to come out now, along with 47 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 3: the Chief Minister asaid front territories and explain to them 48 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 3: what's going on and explain why he should remain in 49 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 3: the position that he's in because he's made statements. 50 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 2: Do you think he should stand down? 51 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: Bill? 52 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 2: Should he stand down. 53 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 3: About racist stuff? 54 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 2: Should he stand down? 55 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 3: That'll be up to the Chief Minister to decide. I 56 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 3: think the Chief miniSTR now really needs to stand up 57 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 3: and show her leadership because I said, three integrity issues 58 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 3: in the space for a couple of months, and two 59 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 3: around Brent Potters. So I think this is now going 60 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 3: to be a test of evil law and her leadership 61 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 3: because it's falling apart there on the PIF forum within 62 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 3: the Labor Ministry. 63 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, Bill, it is it just you know, like 64 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: at the moment, the government is just taking hit after 65 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: hit after hit, and and you know, I think a 66 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 1: lot of people are just thinking, goodness me, when is 67 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,399 Speaker 1: this you know, when is this circus going to wind up? 68 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 3: Hopefully in August, Katie, I walked myself into that. Yah, 69 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 3: we'll get rid of the ring master. 70 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 2: And look I walked myself into that. I was you 71 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 2: know I did. 72 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 4: That wasn't what I meant, But yeah, mate, I do 73 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 4: want to ask Alice Springs this week, you know, I 74 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 4: mean Alice Springs has been suffering through such a difficult 75 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 4: time for quite some time. 76 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: I mean we spoke to the police Commissioner just a 77 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: couple of minutes ago. I asked him, you know about 78 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: this latest video that's come out by the Spaniard Bill. 79 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: What has been the reaction in Alice. 80 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: I guess it's probably a matter of, you know, we 81 00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: will tell us something we don't sort of know into 82 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: resolve that video, which always goes viral when the Spanion 83 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: shares it. 84 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's right. Okay. Look at the people I've 85 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 3: spoken to, particularly yesterday, who have seen this thing on YouTube, 86 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 3: they're really upset about it, particularly our businesses, Like you're 87 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 3: looking at our tourism providers now. Small businesses are already 88 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 3: doing it really hard, and stuff like this just really 89 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 3: hurts them even more. Like I've seen some comments on 90 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 3: social media about thanks for killing my tourism business and 91 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 3: stuff like that. So it's been really really frustrating to 92 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 3: see this vision train out there and off the back 93 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 3: of labor's chaos again. I'm going back to Brent Potter 94 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 3: and the Police Minister. He promised the zero talents for 95 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 3: approach to crime in his summer plan. Well, that could 96 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 3: be anything further from the truth. Sadly from the vision 97 00:04:55,400 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 3: that we've seen. I suppose now internationally, Labor have had 98 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 3: the head in the sand over this for so long 99 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 3: and not doing anything about it. And we've had the 100 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 3: Spaniard now come out with his video. We had national 101 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 3: media a few years back again showing some of that 102 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 3: dirty laundry and some of the crime issues we've seen here. 103 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 3: Labor have not done anything about this, and the people 104 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 3: of elve Spring has been crying out for action for 105 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 3: so long and nothing is happening, and we continue to 106 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 3: see this sort of vision day in and day out. 107 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 3: And they said it's really demoralizing for our community, and 108 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 3: so many people are frustrated because I said, it's just 109 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 3: it's really really damaging our reputation at a time when 110 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 3: we need people to have confidence in al Springs. We 111 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 3: need people to be coming back to our town. We've 112 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 3: got some great events coming up, and is this going 113 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 3: to hurt those events? Are people not going to come 114 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 3: here from because of what they're seen on social media? 115 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 3: I certainly hope not, because ol Spring still has lots 116 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 3: of great things to offer, but we don't seem to 117 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 3: see that being aired publicly and nationally and internationally. We 118 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 3: only see the bad side of our town. 119 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: Bill. Let's talk about what we got you on to 120 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: talk about, and that is these code blacks at the 121 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,239 Speaker 1: you know, at Northern Territory hospitals. Now, we heard about 122 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: these code blacks a couple of weeks ago when I 123 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: actually spoke to the head of the AMA, doctor Robert Parker. 124 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: He said that there are code blacks experienced at the hospital, 125 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: but it's really not something that we hear much from 126 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: from the Northern Territory government. That's for certain code yellows, yes, 127 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: but not the other codes that can be called. Bill, 128 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: what happened on the weekend at the Alice Springs hospital 129 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: that meant that a code black was called? 130 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was earlier as a Saturday morning, so Friday night, 131 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 3: the person was in the hospital and was being really 132 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 3: aggressive to the staff. My understanding is a code black 133 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 3: was called then so that other people in the hospital 134 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 3: knew that there was something underway. So for their protection 135 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 3: and the protection of the other patients and people within 136 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 3: the hospital, security got the person out of the hospital 137 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 3: and then they had to lock themselves inside A and 138 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 3: E and that was for forty minutes. Kadi people from 139 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 3: A and E. They called the k Black, they called police, 140 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 3: and of course our police are so stretched and they've 141 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 3: got their backs against the walls here in town as 142 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 3: far as dealing with all the other stuff that's going on, 143 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 3: they weren't able to get back there to the hospital 144 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 3: and respond to nearly forty minutes. So we had a 145 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 3: period of forty minutes when the staff in A and 146 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 3: had themselves locked in A and E and there was 147 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 3: a person out the front throwing box, apparently had a 148 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 3: weapon and was attacking the front of the hospital building. 149 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 3: I went there on Saturday morning and had a little 150 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 3: bit of a look at the front of the hospital 151 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 3: and there's a couple of broken windows that were reasonably 152 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 3: obvious to see. But it's a horrible situation for our 153 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 3: health professionals to be in because we and the reason 154 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 3: we asked about code blacks originally, we know about the 155 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 3: assaults that have been happening in our hospitals against our 156 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 3: health professionals, other patients and visitors because we got those 157 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 3: figures back late last year. So off the back of that, 158 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,679 Speaker 3: we actually asked Territory Health, we sent some written questions 159 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 3: to the masking about how many code blacks are happening 160 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 3: in our hospitals. We asked for January to December twenty 161 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 3: three and January to December twenty two, and the response 162 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 3: we got back from NC Health and government was code 163 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 3: black is not a term used consistently in NC hospitals 164 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 3: and healthcare facilities in the risk manager reporting system, so 165 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 3: they couldn't tell us. We know that they're happening. Robert 166 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 3: Parker said to happen. There was one call the Elsbriggs 167 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 3: Hospital on the weekend, so they're definitely happening. But either 168 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 3: the Northern Territory government are incompetent in recording this data 169 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 3: or they're trying to cover it up so that we 170 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 3: don't know what's really going on and what's really happening well, 171 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 3: and we deserve tonight the reporting standard. 172 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, we all deserve to know what's going on. 173 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, we might 174 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: not like some of what's happening in the Northern Territory, 175 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: but we all actually deserve to know what is happening. 176 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 2: Bill. 177 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: I do want to also ask you about this situation 178 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: with the palis on their pathway to becoming constables. We 179 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: just heard from the Northern Territory Police Commissioner Michael Murphy 180 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: that those licensing inspectors are going to step into that 181 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: role or certainly going to step in to support that 182 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: transition so that the palies can obviously go on the 183 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:33,719 Speaker 1: course to be constables. What do you make of that? 184 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: Do you think it's going to be appropriate and adequate? 185 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 2: I suppose, well, so we've. 186 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 3: Had police or palis on our bottle shops here in 187 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 3: Central Australia and Tenant I suppose cap for quite a 188 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 3: long time. There's sort of a regular feature and in 189 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 3: some respects are a little bit of a calming feature 190 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 3: to those shops and particularly the larger complexes. But what 191 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 3: we're seeing now with the palis going away to be 192 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 3: trained is said he's a cohort and there's nothing nothing 193 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,119 Speaker 3: wrong with him going to be trained and to become constables. 194 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 3: But we've lost that cohort of palies now here in 195 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 3: Central Australia. Police are already short and hard pressed to 196 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 3: attend all the things that are happening now, so we're 197 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 3: already seeing instances where there are no palis or police 198 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 3: on the bottle shops. And I spoke to one manager 199 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 3: at a supermarket over the weekend, and I believe it 200 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 3: was Friday night. There was no pally, said, no one 201 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 3: arrived and he was told look after yourself. So he's out. 202 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 3: The manager's out the front pretending to be the pally 203 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 3: of the police officerherfts and people for their ideas, which. 204 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: Can put him in a dangerous situation, like that's the 205 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: you know, that's exactly and that's. 206 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 3: And that's the issue. Okay. So here is the manager 207 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 3: out there. He's already struggling for staff for his supermarket. 208 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 3: So he's out the front trying to do the job 209 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 3: of the palis or the police. And of course work 210 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 3: gets out pretty quick around town that there's no police 211 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 3: on a bottle of it. So he said, he said 212 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 3: it went crazy. He said it was like a swarm 213 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 3: of people. I think his words were, it was like 214 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 3: a Taylor Swift concert. You come from. 215 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: Everywhere, but not in a good way. 216 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, he had all sorts of issues. There was all 217 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 3: of problems at the front of that bottle shop. And 218 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 3: we're going to see this when we're not having anyone, 219 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 3: particularly police or Pali's on those bottle shops he's putting. 220 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 3: It's putting the staff at risk, that's for sure. 221 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 2: Bill. 222 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time this morning. We 223 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: will catch up with you again very soon. 224 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Katie. I think I'm coming up to visit you 225 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 3: on Friday. 226 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 2: Awesome in for the week that. 227 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 3: Was, it's going to be. That'll be a hell of 228 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 3: a week, that's for sure. 229 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: Sure will be good on you, Bill. We'll see you Friday. 230 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: Thanks mate. 231 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 3: We've still got two days to get. 232 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: Exactly anything could happen. Thanks Bell.