1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Now we know that Parliament resumes in the Northern Territory 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: next week and the Greens Member for Nightcliff, Cat macdamara, 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: is going to be moving two motions when parliament resumes, 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: both set to be debated on Wednesday. Now. One is 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: on renters rights and the other is on climate change. 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: The Member for Nightcliff, Cat Magdamara joins me on the line. 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Cat. 8 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 2: Morning, Katie morning everyone. 9 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: Good to have you on the show. Now tell me 10 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: in terms of the two motions that are set to 11 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: be debated next week, the first is around renters' rights. 12 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: What are you proposing with that motion? 13 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie. So look, we have a really huge proportion 14 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 2: of renters in the territory and in my own electorate 15 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 2: even over fifty five percent are renters. But I do know, 16 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 2: if I'm speaking to people in my electorate that renters 17 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 2: are really struggling in this cost of living crisis. And also, 18 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: you know, as with many things in the territory, unfortunately 19 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 2: we we have don't have the greatest legislation in terms 20 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 2: of renters rights in our Tendency Act, like in particular, 21 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: one issue that's been brought up again and again is 22 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: that we don't have an independent bond board, so that 23 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 2: is something that I'm going to be urging the government 24 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 2: to look at implementing now. We are the only place 25 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 2: in Australia without one, and it just makes things so 26 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,559 Speaker 2: much simpler for landlords and tenants in terms of getting 27 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: and especially the tenants getting their bond back to enable 28 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 2: them to move on to the next property. 29 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, so how exactly would it work talk us through 30 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,199 Speaker 1: this bond board and how exactly it would work? 31 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 2: Well, look, I mean there's slightly different models in each 32 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: state and territory. So first of all, we don't have 33 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 2: to reinvent the wheel. We can just look at what's 34 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 2: running now and what's going to fit best here. But 35 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 2: basically it's a central independent body that everyone's bonds gets 36 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: paid towards and so I think for most of them, 37 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 2: and how they fund the operations of that is the 38 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 2: interest that accumulates from the bond is then it's sort 39 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 2: of this circulating thing that's how it funds. And so 40 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 2: what it means is that you apply back to the 41 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: bond Board to get your bond back. And just what 42 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 2: it stopped is at the moment we've got a situation 43 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: where it's landlords or real estate agents holding the bonds, 44 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 2: which is quite unusual and really just sets us lves. 45 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: That's a lot of conflict in terms of getting the 46 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: bonds back. We just need an independent body to take 47 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 2: care of that. So you could make your claim if 48 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 2: there is any issues that can get sorted out, but 49 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: not have this. What we're seeing right now is like 50 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 2: long costly you know, anti cat tribunals to get bonds back. 51 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 2: And particularly I've heard stories from renters and this minds you, Katie, 52 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 2: people who are landlords right back in the Eastern States 53 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: who've come here for work, you know, doctors and nurses 54 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 2: or whatever, and their renters here and they say, oh 55 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 2: my god, I've never been treated so terribly as a renter. 56 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,119 Speaker 2: I've you know, fought for six months. I did nothing wrong. 57 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 2: I had to fight for six or twelve months to 58 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 2: get my bond back. So it's just it's a bit 59 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 2: of a crisis at the moment in the territory. And 60 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: it's just as simple. It's it's not that hard, right, 61 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: It's actually the work's been done. We know what needs 62 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 2: to be done. We just need a government to get 63 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 2: on with it and do it. 64 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: It's a really tough one though, I think, because you know, 65 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: there are a lot of mum and dad kind of 66 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: investors in the Northern territory as well that might have 67 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: a second property that they are renting out as a 68 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: you know, as a form of trying to get ahead. 69 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: Like they're certainly not rich, they're doing it to try 70 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: and get ahead. They end up with a bad tenant. 71 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: I've got one friend in particular who's just had a 72 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 1: tenant move out. They've coused ten thousand dollars worth of 73 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: damage in six months, you know, So it's really it 74 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: is actually really tough. 75 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and looked up. The thing is that I don't 76 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: think landlords need to be worried because there are landlords 77 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: in the rest of the country that managed to navigate that. 78 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: Right. 79 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: They've got bondboards in the It doesn't stop in those situations. 80 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 2: You know, if there is conflict damage, of course that 81 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 2: needs to be remediated and they're awaye with that. So 82 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 2: the rest of the country landlords still managed to get 83 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 2: you know, they've got their bonds and whether they if 84 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: they have damage or not. It's just that here in 85 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: the territory it's swung so far the other way and 86 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: it's just causing us long and costly delayed. I mean, 87 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 2: we look at our rates of homelessness. There are people 88 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 2: I've spoken to that have been homeless in between houses 89 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 2: because they had to fight to get their bonds back. 90 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: Eventually got through Anti cat got their bonds back because 91 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 2: they did nothing wrong, but it took them to months 92 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: to do that. 93 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: Now, talk me through some of the proposed changes in 94 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: terms of the rental freeze or a two year rent freeze, 95 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: and also the limit on rental increases to two persent 96 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: to every two years. Why is that required? 97 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 2: Look, this is just a mechanism. And look I'm not 98 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 2: the first one. This has been floated in other states 99 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: and territories and also overseas. I think there are some 100 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 2: European countries that have looked at and actually implemented rent freezers. 101 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: But particularly here in Australia, we've just had this. You know, 102 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: we've got this housing bubble. Housing here, unlike Europe, has 103 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 2: been looked at at a way to accumulate personal wealth 104 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 2: at the cost to most other people. And we've just 105 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: got this cost living crisis that is biting everyone hard, 106 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 2: but particularly renters. And it just it's a way that 107 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: we can try and just even things out for a 108 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 2: little while, let people catch up, kind of put it. 109 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: You know, people shouldn't be getting rate increases for no 110 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: reason every six months. It's just not fair. 111 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: I've got a message that's just come through that says, Hi, Katie. 112 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: Can you please ask kat magnamara how she thinks it's 113 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: a fair practice to freeze rent for two years? What 114 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: gives her the right to tell us what we can 115 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: and cannot do with the property that we worked bloody 116 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: hard for. Why not work towards a body that here's 117 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: the grievances of tenantss. Oh wait, we have one, says 118 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: this person. And we already have little to say about pets. 119 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: And don't get me started about the damage that they 120 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: can do tier six hundred thousand dollars investment. We've sacrificed 121 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: a lot, and we worked tirelessly to be where we are. Yes, 122 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: my partner and I still have to go to work. 123 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: We cannot afford to retire, says that text. 124 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 2: And look, I'm not this is a thing too that 125 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 2: it's not this either or right, black or white. You know, 126 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 2: like there are some landlords out there that are great landlords. 127 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 2: That's great what I'm trying to do is even it 128 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 2: up a bit. And look, the thing is I'm putting. 129 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 2: What I'm putting is I've done research, spoken to people 130 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 2: across the country. I'm putting things on the table that 131 00:05:55,040 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 2: are innovatives, like visionary things to really help bring down 132 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 2: that cost for people. And look, if the government doesn't 133 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 2: want to get on board with it, that's fine. But 134 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 2: like what I'm doing is I'm going to be emailing 135 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 2: every single member of the government to say, look, I'm 136 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 2: really encouraging your input on my motions. So you know, 137 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 2: I know I've put a lot of things in this motion, right, 138 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: but you know, if you just want to say pick 139 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 2: three things, okay, you know, if you really do care 140 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: about renters, if you really do care about the cost 141 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: of living and the impact that's having on families and pensioners, 142 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 2: like meet me at the table with this, let me 143 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: know what you think is doable and what you think isn't. 144 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 2: Because i want to start improving things with people here 145 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 2: in the territory and I'm always going to just aim 146 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 2: high and see what i can get done. 147 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: In terms of the minimum standards for energy efficiency and 148 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: heating and cooling requirements. What would they look like if 149 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: you were able to, you know, to get the government 150 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: to come to the table on this. 151 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, that one is tricky because a lot of 152 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 2: that's in the details. And that's why i'm kind of, 153 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 2: you know, once again, because I'm on the cross bench. 154 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 2: I'm not the government. I don't have ministers and departments 155 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: and whole teams that can research this. This is just 156 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 2: something that's saying, like I want to put to the government, like, 157 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 2: this is something you need to look into, right that 158 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 2: there are minimums standards in other places, So particularly places 159 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 2: that are really cold, you need to have minimum stands 160 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 2: for heating because it's just not feasible to have people 161 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 2: freeze in the death and how the same in a 162 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: hot place like here, you need to have minimum stands 163 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 2: for cooling. So I haven't got into the details of 164 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 2: what that would look like because that's an enormous body 165 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: of work. What I'm trying to do is to say, hey, government, 166 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 2: this is an important point that has not been investigated 167 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 2: and has not been covered. Can you come to the 168 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: table and can you start looking into that. 169 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: I definitely get what you're trying to do, and I 170 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: can understand it, you know, there is no doubt that 171 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: there are plenty of people that are struggling if they're 172 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: trying to get a rental property. You know, it can 173 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: be really bloody expensive. But then on the other side 174 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: of things, I guess there's a bit of irony there 175 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: in the sense that you know, you're pushing for a 176 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: rental freeze for two years and that two percent, but 177 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: then also expecting people that have those properties to have that, 178 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: you know, to up the anti I guess when it 179 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: comes to you know, cooling and heating those homes. So 180 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: it's a tough one. You know, like if you're investing, 181 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: if you're not seeing any return on your rental, well, 182 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: why would you then be spending that additional money on it? Well? 183 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 2: And I think that's the question. Look this, Katie, it 184 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: really enters into a much bigger conversation. So I think 185 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 2: Australia hasn't had enough. And that is the whole question 186 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 2: around what do we see around that we are using 187 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 2: housing right? Housing as a human right, But in Australia 188 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 2: we have been allowed to use housing as a mode 189 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 2: for personal wealth production. And I mean, look, what's the 190 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: worst thing right if a rental can't you know, s 191 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 2: freezing death in a house or heating overheating, or can't 192 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 2: give roof of ahead. What's the worst, They're going to 193 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 2: be homeless, a landlord doesn't find it financially viable to 194 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 2: keep their investment property. What's the worst, They're not going 195 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 2: to have an investment property. Like, those two things are 196 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 2: not equal, and I think it's time that we face 197 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 2: up to the reality of that. 198 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: You do you get those that a lot of people 199 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: that have an investment are not rich, you know, like 200 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: you know, like for a senior for example, they might 201 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: have an investment property as part of their superannuation plan, 202 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: so that then they're not reliant on the government when 203 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: they retire, and they're not actually you know, they're not 204 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: sort of yeah, they're not needing the system. They're trying 205 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: to make themselves self sufficient. 206 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, sure, Katie, I know that. You know, it's 207 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 2: I think about seventy percent. Unfortunately, most rental properties are 208 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 2: actually owned by investors that own more than one property. 209 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: But I hear what you're saying, and that The question, though, 210 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: is that do they still have the right I mean, 211 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 2: if people are living in houses with black mold and 212 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 2: no cooling, I mean I don't know. 213 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: Are there examples of that in the Northern Territory? Like 214 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: do we have an issue with it? I guess is 215 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: what I'm asking as well? Ish we going to change it? 216 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: Do we? Yeah? 217 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, this is something that we've had, like dcls, 218 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 2: there's the advocates for renters that've got oh my gosh, 219 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 2: the cases that I have heard are just horrific with 220 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: things Katie myself, Okay, I have had the entire last 221 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 2: wet season a skylight that poured water for an entire 222 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 2: wet season. I had a six literre bucket under my 223 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 2: skylight for an entire wet season that wasn't getting fixed 224 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 2: as the rentery. So and this is the thing is 225 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to make you know, We're not trying 226 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 2: to make all rental houses become you know, mansions. There's 227 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 2: just a bear standard that needs to be met. And 228 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 2: like if you're a landlord that's already maybe like great, 229 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 2: then this has something to do with you. 230 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: Okay. One of the messages just coming through saying Katie, 231 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 1: who would pay for the bond board and who would 232 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: be on a board like that? 233 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 2: So from my understanding, it's that the the interest that 234 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 2: a cruise from the bond sitting there goes back into 235 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 2: funding the ongoing maintenance of that board, So it's kind 236 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: of like a circular thing that sort of funds itself. 237 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 2: But look, this is one of the things too, and 238 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 2: I believed that the previous labor government actually looked into this. 239 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 2: So there is a report sitting somewhere on someone's in 240 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: someone's department entirely about implementing a bonboard. So like the 241 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 2: work's being done, we can just look into state get 242 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 2: it going here. 243 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: Hey, the second motion that you are going to be 244 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: pushing forward next week is around climate change. What are 245 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: you calling for in this space? 246 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, So look, this is something that I'm just 247 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 2: seeing as such a gap that's missing here. It's been 248 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 2: with the previous government and this government. Is that we 249 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 2: are on the front lines of climate change, right, and 250 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 2: this happens climate wise everywhere in sort of the center 251 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 2: tropical regions of the planet. We get higher sea rise, 252 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 2: we get hotter temperatures, we get longer droughts, we get 253 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 2: more increased storm severity. We are on the front lines, 254 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 2: but our government are doing absolutely nothing to mitigate for 255 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 2: these risks. So what I'm doing is putting up a 256 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 2: motion that's just calling the government to a bunch of things, 257 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 2: looking at identifying what the key risks are to our 258 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 2: communities and importantly our economy and our infrastructure, analyzing those risks, 259 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 2: putting up costing the adaption and mitigation measures, looking at like, 260 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 2: for example, in our latest budget, right, there was no 261 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 2: climate risk adaption framework anywhere in that budget, when all 262 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 2: other states and territories have one to some degree. So 263 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 2: that is that, you know, you look at our economy, 264 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: look at our landscape here environment you go right, climate 265 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 2: change is coming, whether you want to believe it or not, 266 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 2: it's here, it's happening. How are we going to protect 267 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 2: our citizens? And I just think it's such a missing 268 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 2: piece of the territory government up here for both sides 269 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 2: of the major parties for so long, and it's negligible. 270 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 2: This is they are putting their heads in their sands. 271 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 2: So what I've done is I've put forward a motion 272 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,599 Speaker 2: and it lists a bunch of really achievable things that 273 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: they can start doing to start working on mitigating climate 274 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 2: risks in the territory. You know, you cannot talk about 275 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 2: wanting to improve a territory economy without looking at the 276 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 2: risks that climate change posess to our economy. 277 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: It's just bonkers, Kat, Do you reckon you're going to 278 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: have the support of labor or other independents or even 279 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: members of the colp on these. 280 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 2: Look I always go in hopeful, Tavy, because if I 281 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 2: want and hopeful, then how could I be here at 282 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 2: the end of the day. I'm always coming in here 283 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 2: in good faith. I'm looking at stuff that's worked in 284 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 2: other places. I'm speaking to people on the ground, I'm 285 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 2: looking at the evidence, and I'm going what are the 286 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 2: gaps here? What do we need to improve things here 287 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 2: in the territory. So I would hope like hell that 288 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: the government opposition could meet me at the table and 289 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 2: even entertain a conversation with me about this. Obviously, they 290 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 2: voted down my last two motions. My motion to implement 291 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 2: a proper lobbyist register they voted against, and my motion 292 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 2: to help regulate the gambling in the street they voted against. 293 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 2: Because I'd rather work for gambling companies than everyday people. 294 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 2: But you know what, I'm going to keep trying, Kat, 295 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 2: just very quickly. 296 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: I know that we contacted your office about this, and 297 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: you've already given us a response. But during the week 298 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: we had claims coming through that from some listeners that 299 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: you and also the member for Drysdale obviously him out 300 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: in Palmerston, you and Alice Springs that you were counsel 301 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: will you were campaigning for that council election. Were you 302 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: handing out how to vote for the Greens candidate or 303 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: for for the Allice Springs mayor for Asta, who is 304 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: believed to be Greens aligned. 305 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. So I was in Alice Springs 306 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 2: for the voluntary sister Dying inquiry. So I've been traveling. 307 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 2: I sit on that committee. I've been traveling to all 308 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 2: remote locations do that. I had about ten minutes of 309 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 2: my trip to go in between leading that and heading 310 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 2: to the airport, and I ducked by to say hello 311 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 2: to Astor, who I knew from as you know, she 312 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 2: was a previous candidate for the Greens. And I had 313 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 2: my child there with me. So no, I was not campaigning. 314 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: Well, I know we've certainly been asking as well whether 315 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: it is appropriate. You've said obviously you weren't, but we've 316 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: sort of been asking whether it is appropriate because, as 317 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: I said, there was also claims that Clinton Howe who's 318 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: obviously the member for Dryster was doing something similar, I guess, 319 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: or he may say as well that he was out 320 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: there talking to one of the candidates in Palveston. I mean, 321 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: do you think it's appropriate to have for any kind 322 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: of political involvement in those council campaigns? So I will say, 323 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: you know, I actually thought with the Greens having somebody 324 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: run and being pretty open and honest about that, I 325 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: would prefer that, like I'd prefer actually no whether somebody's 326 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: party aligned and didn't have a big issue with it, 327 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: But like, what are your thoughts on politics in councilation? 328 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: No, I agree, Katie. I don't understand why in the 329 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 2: territory because I know other places in Australia the council 330 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 2: candidates do get endorsed by their parties. So I've actually 331 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 2: been confused about what I do think that it probably 332 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 2: would be better so people to know who they're voting 333 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 2: for it you say, are and then there's a party 334 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 2: absolutely for some reason that's not allowed here. And you 335 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 2: know what, I was very conscious of this when I 336 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 2: dropped down past the center because I was in town 337 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 2: getting some drinks and food for the plane ride back. 338 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 2: You know, and we said, oh, we'll take a photo 339 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 2: with asked to say hi, And I mean anyone that 340 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 2: was down there can see I was running around after 341 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 2: my eighteen months old. There was absolutely no fliers being 342 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 2: handed out, but I was really conscious of it because 343 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 2: we've got to be really careful as electing representatives, especially 344 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 2: the last election. You heard there was a lot a 345 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 2: lot of upset from people who thought that people you know, 346 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 2: members who were on the clock handing out polling booths, 347 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 2: doing party work. That's a very difficult line to walk 348 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 2: and I'm high for hyper conscious of it. So no, yeah, 349 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 2: I hear you, Katie. I think it's reasonable to ask 350 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: those questions. I mean, anyone who actually saw me down 351 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 2: there would know that that was not the case. But yeah, 352 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 2: I think it's a reasonable reasonable to be careful about that. 353 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, kat mag Damara, good to speak with you 354 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: this morning. Appreciate your time and we'll find out. We'll 355 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: see how things go next week in Parliament. We might 356 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: talk again. 357 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks so much, Key, thank you 358 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: Thanks for your time.