1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: On today's show, Sophie Guidelin flips the narrative on an 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: embarrassing airport moment. Drunk Taylor starts trending on social media again. 3 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: Influencer Dietitians paid off to promote diet Coke and Sophie 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: Keisha's huge career announcement. Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's 5 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news 6 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: twice a week. I'm Kate Torbert, and I'm getting pretty 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: stressed out because I am planning two Hens parties, and 8 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: they're both very different. We've got the high maintenance Hens 9 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 1: party with your Sophie, and then we've got Amy's backyard 10 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: Hens party, which on that's a bit hard, no, but 11 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 1: it's still going to be high maintenance because Sophie, I'm 12 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: trying to deal with Sophie's expectations. I'm sorry, I refute 13 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: those claims, Kate. It is far more high maintenance and 14 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: time consuming for us to set up this extravagant party 15 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: in Amy's backyard. We've got to make it look like Wimbledon. 16 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: I'm just going to a nice venue, having a sit 17 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: down lunch or dinner five course, well five yes, it. 18 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 2: Is five course, and I've got a. 19 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: Beautiful Ladulchi vita theme. It's gonna be very nice. But 20 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: I actually think there's gonna be far more work going 21 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: into yours. You are saying that you want a pim station, 22 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: you want a strawberries and cream station, you want a 23 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 1: huge installation of balloons. We're gonna come up with all 24 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: of these games. Everyone's got to go out and buy 25 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: a tennis outfit. So sorry, I think yours is more 26 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: home maintenance. The term backyard hens. It sounds like we're 27 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,639 Speaker 1: having some barbecue. It sounds like, you know, a Bucks 28 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: part exactly. Hers is high matenance because we're having caterers in. Okay, 29 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: I will read Hat's a truck. I will rebrand it. 30 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: Amy's more of a DIY and Sophie's is more glam 31 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: Okay is that okay? Well, this is the difficulty because 32 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: there are so many moving parts to these Hens parties, 33 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: and I'm having to come up with a fee to 34 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: charge people to go. And I know that is a 35 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: bit of a controversial topic because there are old school 36 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: people that are like the bride's maids should cover the 37 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: cost of everything. But I look at a Hen's party 38 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: as you're buying a ticket to get a meal some entertainment. 39 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: I keep seeing on TikTok all of these girls sharing 40 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: their expression when they see a new email or group 41 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: message pop up, and it's like, oh, fantastic, another two 42 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: hundred dollars. I've got to spend on a special evening 43 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: for a girl and buy a present and do this. 44 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: It's a friendship test. 45 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, it gets that way, And that's why I feel 46 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: guilty because I don't want to charge my friends too much. 47 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: Because when I do go to a hen's party, I 48 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: sort of sit around and I think, if I've paid 49 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: like one hundred and fifty bucks to come here, I'm like, 50 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat all the food. I'm gonna have those 51 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: drinks right well, because I don't drink as well, so 52 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: I think, well, how else am I going to get 53 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: my money out. That's why I think there should be 54 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: different costs of people that are drinking and not drinking 55 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: at a hens, and then you can work out, say 56 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: in the diy tennis backyard thing, well, how many bottles 57 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: of wine do I buy? How many bottles of pims 58 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: do I get? I think it's a good thing having 59 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 1: a theme, though, because It ensures only. 60 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: The people that really like you will come. 61 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: Because sometimes if I've got an invite and I don't 62 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 1: know the person that well and I won't know anybody there, 63 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 1: I'm not they come dressed up to it like not 64 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: too much effort. That's when you've got something else on 65 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: that weekend. But at the same time, I agree with you, Amy. 66 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: I love a theme because as much as people say, oh, 67 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: it's annoying you've got to spend all this money, I 68 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: think it's exciting. So I've recently got invited to a 69 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: disco theme, like a last dance theme, and I have 70 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: spent so long, like looking up sequent outfits, looking up bags, 71 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,839 Speaker 1: looking up cool jewelry, and it's actually fun to me. See, 72 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: That's what I would hate, because I'd have no idea 73 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: what to wear. The tennis one. At least you can 74 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: go online. There's some cheap options. You can just wear 75 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: white to mine. It's Wimbledon theme. It's not as difficult. 76 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: I feel like disco is harder. 77 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 2: I like it. 78 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: So where do we draw the line in terms of 79 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: how much to charge? I think that most hens parties 80 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: sit around one hundred dollar mark for each person, to 81 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: which I think that's a fair one I've been invited to. 82 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: When it's way more than that, I think one hundred 83 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: dollars is palatable. It does depend, though, If you're staying 84 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: away for a weekend, obviously it's going to be a 85 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: lot more. And then I think that's when you invite 86 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: your best friends. Well, that's when things are getting crazy 87 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: because people are planning the huge weekends away. And then 88 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: there's multiple themes. I'm seeing on TikTok. There's oh, for 89 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: the first night, we're gonna do the Great Gaspie theme, 90 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: and then the next night it's glad and then this 91 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: and that, and it's like people can't be bothered with that. 92 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: I think one theme and that's it. I saw this 93 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,799 Speaker 1: video and it was like, it can't just be Taylor 94 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: Swift's theme where people dress up as Taylor Swift. It's 95 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: like Taylor swift ears theme, What character are you from this? 96 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 2: And it's so true. 97 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: I feel like Hen's parties are just so over the 98 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: top now, especially when you compare them to Bucks parties, 99 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: Like can you. 100 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 2: Imagine the men sitting around coming up there? 101 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: The difference is that Hen's parties are performative and they're 102 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: for TikTok and social media. We want to take videos 103 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: of how cute our setup is. Maybe we want to 104 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: make a video saying how we created our Hen's parties. 105 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: But with men, it's private. No one wants a photo 106 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: of a Bucks party to get out. Yeah, none of 107 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: these Bucks parties are going on TikTok. No, so the 108 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: hens are just coffer content and Bucks are actually to 109 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: have a good time. Uh oh, your friend came to 110 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: visit and you don't wear light colors when you're getting 111 00:04:59,000 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: your period. 112 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 2: I didn't know. 113 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: It's my first time. Okie rip Sophie Gwiedland's white tracksuit pants. 114 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: In a very mortifying experience that I feel like we 115 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: can all relate to, the fitness influencer discovered that she 116 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: had leaked her period onto her tracking pants at the airport. 117 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: The worst part about this is it wasn't her that 118 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: made the personal discovery. 119 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: She didn't go into the bathroom and go oh fuck. 120 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: It was actually someone on Instagram who messaged her a video. 121 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: So this person filmed her at the airport with the 122 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: stain on her pants and decided to send it to her. 123 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: What is going through your mind as the person at 124 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: the airport who has spotted this. Instead of sending a 125 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: video to embarrass her, why wouldn't you go up and say, hey, 126 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, there's something on the back of your pants. 127 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: See I think it's probably best not to even draw 128 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: attention to it. I understand where you're coming from that 129 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: people should look out for each other. 130 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 2: But I would feel weird if. 131 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: Someone came up to me and said, oh, you've got 132 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: something green in your teeth, Like, I think it's something 133 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: that you just pretend that you don't see and you 134 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: look away. But why does she feel the need to 135 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: message her on Instagram? 136 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: See? 137 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: That's where I think it got yucky, because there is 138 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: this trend of people trying to get influencers in these 139 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: gotcha moments to send onto these influencer watchdog accounts. So 140 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if this person was trying to blackmause Sophie. 141 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: And that's why it's all come out, because Sophie Gweedland 142 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: has come out and shared this story and she said 143 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: it was in the hope to normalize period conversations. And 144 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: she was actually motivated by her physiotherapist who said, why 145 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: don't you take the power away and talk about it 146 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: and that's what she did. 147 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 2: She even shared a photo. 148 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: Of her period sat at the airport. Could it have 149 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: been that this person was too nervous to go up 150 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: to Sophie and they were actually trying to be a 151 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: good person and to say, oh, you've actually got blood 152 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: on your pants? Because I actually think sometimes as a woman, 153 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: it is nice if another woman comes up and just goes, hey, 154 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: just letting you know, like your flies under, I would 155 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: just so you know you've got some blood, because I'd 156 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: appreciate that because so many people would have seen her 157 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: at the airport. 158 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 2: And it'd be mortified. 159 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: But could you write that in a message instead of 160 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: taking a video? 161 00:06:58,480 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's weird. 162 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't think the person was trying to be 163 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: nice because Sophie ended up going into the bathroom and 164 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: crying about it. I think at its essence, this is 165 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: an experience that most people can relate to. And I 166 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: do love the fact that she shared about it on 167 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: her Instagram because it makes you not feel so alone. 168 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: This happened to me a couple of weeks ago or 169 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: probably months ago, when I was at the hairdresser and 170 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: I was mortified and I felt really nervous going back 171 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: there because it feels like such a spectacle. You almost 172 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: feel like this messy failure. Who can't even keep your 173 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: period under wraps? Well, As Sophie Gwedland said, it is 174 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: ridiculous because so many people experience this in their day 175 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: to day life. Most time I have a period, I 176 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: will leak on some part of clothing. So I think 177 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: it is great that Sophie Guedland is saying, Look, I 178 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: was embarrassed, But why should I be embarrassed. This isn't embarrassing. 179 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: Let's normalize this conversation. I heard Mama Mia recently talking 180 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: about the phenomenon of free bleeding, which apparently is popping 181 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: up a lot on TikTok, and it's basically where people 182 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: aren't using any sanitary items and they they will on 183 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: their heavy days. They'll sit at home, basically on a tower. 184 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: And I was quite taken back by that, because whilst 185 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: I think that we should normalize periods, I think that 186 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: we have sanitary items in place so we can make 187 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: women's lives easier, so that they're not taken out of 188 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: the workforce, they're able to continue what they're doing. Yeah, 189 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: I found that whole topic a little bit confronting, but 190 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: each to their own if that's what people want to do. 191 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: It's quite funny because, in true influencer style, Sophie Gwedle 192 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: actually used the moment to promote the period underwear that 193 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: she normally wears that she wasn't wearing in that instance. Well, 194 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: it was very brave to wear white to the airport. Yeah, 195 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: on your period as well. It's so degressy, isn't it. 196 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: It's very degressy. That scene still sits with me because 197 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: at high school we had light blue school dresses in 198 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: the flimsiest material. I mean literally, if you've got a 199 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 1: bead of sweat, it would be so obvious, so imagine 200 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: having a. 201 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 2: Bloodstain on them. 202 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: Clearly the uniform was designed by a male, because no 203 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: female would put a woman in that type of material 204 00:08:58,559 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: on their period. 205 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 2: Thank god for jumpers around your waist. 206 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: I remember literally living with a jumper tied around my 207 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: waist for fear of having period blood on my dress. 208 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 3: Most popular feedback I got was hello, just normal real 209 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 3: life stuff. And the reason I don't really post he 210 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 3: is six because it's quite boring. 211 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: On Friday night, Sophie Kaisha Tea's to her followers that 212 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: she had this huge career announcement that she was going 213 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: to drop the next day, and she said that it 214 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: was going to be her biggest role ever. What were 215 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: you guys thinking it would be? Because I thought potentially 216 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: she might have a really good media gig for Women's 217 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 1: AFL or the Women's Basket because she seems to be 218 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: aligning herself with both of those brands. 219 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of people thought that. 220 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: I thought maybe it had something to do with her 221 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: Keisha pajamas. Adding to that growing speculation was the fact 222 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: that influence of Watchdog accounts of picking up on this 223 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: news and sharing it to their audience as well. Well. 224 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: The next day, she did drop what this big career 225 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 1: announcement was, and it was pretty underwhelming. It was that 226 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: she's coaching her daughter, Florence's undernins netball team, and to 227 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: make this announcement, she shared a real of her walking 228 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: hand in hand with her daughter decked out in their 229 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: netball uniforms. And I was quite surprised because the logo 230 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: was very prominent. So it doesn't take much guesswork to 231 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: realize when the game's is going to be and for 232 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: weirdos to rock up and watch these kids play. I 233 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: always find it weird when influencers make it really obvious 234 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: which school their kid goes to. They're very much opening 235 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: themselves up to a dangerous situation. They're going back to 236 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: this post, she did caption it loving this era. Dreams 237 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: really do come true. She also shared more about the 238 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: announcement on her Instagram story. Here's what she said. 239 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 2: I have taken on. 240 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 3: A very special role amongst the chaos of my life 241 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 3: is something I literally dreamt of doing forever. What's mummy coach? 242 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 3: And yeah, I was trying to find something to do 243 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 3: for myself. Even though it does involve hey, my child, 244 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 3: it still gives me so much joy and satisfaction. 245 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: So go Gladiators. It is really admirable that she's so 246 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: excited to coach her daughter's netball team. I'm guessing maybe 247 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: the fact that her dad was an AFL coach has 248 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: something to do with this excitement as well. There is 249 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: a little bit of strategy there, though, because she did 250 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: get a lot of engagement on her page and the 251 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: day after she revealed that she was dropping a new 252 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: range of Kashia pajamas, so I think it wasn't incidental. 253 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 2: Timing. 254 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. After she made this announcement, she responded to 255 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: a poll that she did the night before, asking people 256 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: what they wanted to see more of, and people voted 257 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: that they wanted to see more of a personal life, 258 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: and she said, well, it's quite boring, so I don't 259 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: really have much to share. She has revealed earlier that 260 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: she didn't want to share about her personal life due 261 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: to her breakup with Maddie Garrick and it causing a 262 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: lot of drama. So I think that this was a 263 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: strategic way for her to get a lot of engagement 264 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: to her page because it must have been recently, which 265 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: isn't good for her pajama brand at all. I wonder 266 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: how the mums of the other kids in the netball 267 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: team feel about Sophie plastering this all over social media. 268 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be rather interesting. 269 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: It always shocks me when influencers ask their followers what 270 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: they want to see and then they're surprised that they 271 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 1: want to know about their personal lives, because literally, that's 272 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: the whole reason they've got a following. I've noticed recently, though, 273 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: a lot of influencers have been using this same strategy 274 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: of teasing this big announcement and then it being completely 275 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 1: and utterly disappointed. It's all about working with the algorithm, 276 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: and we've seen that Instagram really is dropping off in 277 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: terms of engagement. 278 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 2: However, if you do create. 279 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: A big storm and you get a lot of eyeballs 280 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: on your page, generally the post you share afterwards gets 281 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: a good traction. We've seen that with Anna Paul as well. Recently, 282 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: a lot of people have been speculating that she's doing this. 283 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: Maybe Sophie Kesha has seen the success of that and thought. 284 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 2: I'm going to do it too. 285 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: Well. Someone else who did it this weekend is Anna macavoy, 286 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: who was a former Love Island contestant, so her and 287 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: her partner shared a real with the caption we have 288 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: news coming the real We see them getting tattoos matching 289 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: tattoos done of the word honey, and a lot of 290 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: people are guessing in the comments section that they're either 291 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: having a child that they're gonna call honey, or they're 292 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: getting a dog. And they've even gone to the extent 293 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: of doing a countdown timer. So at the time of recording, 294 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: we don't yet know what the announcement is. Is this 295 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: kind of like the boy who cried wolf though, like 296 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: everyone's gonna start teasing all this stuff and then people 297 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: are not going to engage with it because they're like, 298 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,719 Speaker 1: this is just crap, and it's like. 299 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 2: Actually, I'm having a baby. 300 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my godness, hot, oh oh, we're Taylor Swift 301 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 1: made history at the MTV VMA's last week, winning nine 302 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: out of the eleven categories she was nominated for. However, 303 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: all anyone could talk about was her chaotic aed was 304 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: caught on the audience camera. I am living for these 305 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: antics and drunk Taylor was trending across social media and 306 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: it's not the first time either. So back in twenty nineteen, 307 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: the hashtag went viral on Twitter after photos and videos 308 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: emerged of Taylor celebrating at a party she threw. She 309 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: later brought up the incident on The Tonight Show and 310 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: said this, Okay, So. 311 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 2: I was at a party like a couple months ago, 312 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 2: and I had like two and a half motos and 313 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 2: then the next day drunk hashtag drunk Taylor was like 314 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 2: number one training on Twitter. 315 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: Yeah I saw that because because you know, I go 316 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: like from zero to legitimately thinking I'm a wizard within 317 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: like two drinks. 318 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 2: She's definitely not wrong. 319 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: There. At the VMA, she danced the night away during 320 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: the four hour show. 321 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 2: It was very impressive. 322 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: She seemed to know every single lyric to every song 323 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: that was played. The best bits for me were when 324 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: I saw her fanning herself when she was getting really hot, 325 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: because I swear every single one of us has done 326 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: that before. Did you guys see her with the plastic 327 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: cup trying to get her out in the wholder. There's 328 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: also this classic clip where her publicist comes up to 329 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: her and it's obvious she's trying to calm it down, 330 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: and she's like, oh, can you take some water? And 331 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: Taylor basically refuses it. I really felt for her publicist 332 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: because it's not like Taylor was just sitting there and 333 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: able to enjoy the music. She was going up excepting 334 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: nine different awards. There's this classic moment where she was 335 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: fanging in sync as well. 336 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 2: It was so fun. 337 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: It's pretty classic. There's another video doing the rounds, where 338 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: people are doing a voiceover of what they think Taylor 339 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: is saying in particular moments. It reminds me of those 340 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: Alps Stuart Ones. I love the slurping noise as well. 341 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: It has been reported that during all of this chaos, 342 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: Taylor lost the massive diamond in her Van Cleef ring. 343 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: So she was wearing this beautiful, vintage twelve thousand dollar 344 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: ring and she was seen wearing it on the pink carpet. However, 345 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: when she got up on stage to accept the awards, 346 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: it wasn't there, and vision has emerged of Taylor looking 347 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: really distressed as people around her. 348 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 2: Search for the ring. 349 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: I wonder if this was her ring or she'd been 350 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: lent the ring, because can you imagine a few of 351 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: the brand watching this all unfolowed. They're probably like, oh, 352 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: there's the ring. Oh wait a sec, it's going to disappear. 353 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: And we paid a lot of money for her to 354 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: wear the thing is actually the diamond that went missing 355 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: off the ring? I mean twelve thousand dollars. It's nothing 356 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: to her, though I'm sure she could cover the cost 357 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: of that ring. I am really relieved how this is 358 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: being perceived from a PR perspective, though, because I feel 359 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: like ten years ago the news. 360 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 2: Coverage would have been very different. 361 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: It would have been about how sloppy Taylor Swift was 362 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: and she's out of control. However, I think everyone saw 363 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: it for what it was. This girl has been working 364 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: really hard and she was letting her hair down and 365 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: having a lot of fun. Yeah, she's clearly letting off steam. 366 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: And I think it was so relatable. We're getting to 367 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: the end of the year when everyone is overwork, they're 368 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: over their jobs, and people just want to let their 369 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: hair down and have a good time. Yeah, the publicists 370 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: didn't need to tell her to stop. Everyone wanted to 371 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: see more of drunk Taylor. If anything, they should have 372 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: been giving her some more drinks. I love. At the 373 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: end of the night, she had to do the walk 374 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: to get to the car with all of the varakee 375 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: and there's this moment where she starts walking out but 376 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: does that little lean on the wall and push herself back, 377 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: and everyone's like, that is so damn relatable. It looks 378 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: like it was all fun and games, but it was 379 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: one of the hardest things I've ever done. Bachelor Royalty 380 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: Anna Heinrich and Tim Robards have announced their expecting their 381 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: second child in the cutest way. On Sunday, they shared 382 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: a hilarious video of their two year old daughter Elle, 383 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 1: walking around with a balloon under her jumper. So in 384 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: the vision, she says my mummy is going to get 385 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: a baby soon. Just in case the video wasn't clear enough, 386 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: Anna followed up by sharing a photo of the family 387 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: of three. 388 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 2: With the caption. 389 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: Turns out l was right, bringing another Rascal into the 390 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: world in twenty four. I'm enjoying seeing these more normal 391 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: baby announcements because I think we had this period where 392 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: people are taking these very curated photos of little mitten 393 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 1: or little booties and you know, mitten and the scan 394 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: and everything was and I don't like that. I mean 395 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: even we saw Victoria Devine recently and ounce that she 396 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: was pregnant, and all she did was share a photo 397 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: of a bump with a baby Chino, and I thought 398 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: that she had a coffee and all the coffee and 399 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: she said, oh, we need a baby Chino. Yeah, And 400 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: I just thought that that was a really nice, simple, normal, 401 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: relatable way. That being said, this is Tim and Anna's 402 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: second announcement. I feel like people are a bit more 403 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: relaxed the second time round. That's true. I do love 404 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: the Anna reference that she's getting another Rascal because I 405 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: love following Anna to see the l videos because she 406 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: is the most adorable little girl. She looks like an angel. 407 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: But she does have a rascal side to her. The 408 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: other day, Anna shared how Elle had given herself a 409 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: haircut before a birthday party and she'd lopped off two 410 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 1: big chunks, so they ended up having to put one 411 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: of those material headbands around her head to hide it. 412 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 2: It was hilarious. 413 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: Now, going back to your comment Amy about maybe because 414 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: it's a second child, it's not as grand an announcement, 415 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: I disagree. I think at the moment people are being 416 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: more sensitive towards those who can't conceive, and you know, 417 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 1: everything's clumbing with a disclaimer or a trigger warning, so 418 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: I think the people don't want to look like they're 419 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: rubbing in others' faces. I mean, we're seeing the death 420 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: of the gender reveal. I think there's nothing more naff 421 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 1: at the moment than attacking gender. We're seeing people. I 422 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: saw an article recently of a pilot who was killed 423 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: because he flew over to reveal the pink. There does 424 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: seem to be a lot of gender reveal related deaths. 425 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: But the thing is, I don't think that they are dying. 426 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: I have seen them all over my TikTok, and it 427 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: must be a particular algorithm for me. But I'm seeing 428 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: multiple birth gender reveals. There was this great one where 429 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: a woman was having triplets and they just kept bringing 430 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: up more balloons. 431 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 2: To pop and everyone's like, what is going on? 432 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: I would you have a gender reveal? Like, quite honestly, 433 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: I think I would be a bit embarrassed to invite 434 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: people to a gendera I actually would want one. Maybe 435 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: I would keep it private and have it just with 436 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: close friends and family. I think if I found out 437 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 1: I was having triplets or something, you'd have to do 438 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: something big for it. So if I do do a 439 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: gender reveal, I think you guys will know what's coming. 440 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: There's this couple having quads and I couldn't believe it 441 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: because they have the scan and they just show people 442 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 1: the scan. 443 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 2: People are like, you can see them trying to wander what. 444 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, So apparently drinking this diet coke is going to 445 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: give me cancer because it contains asparteine. A disturbing new 446 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: report shows registered dietitians are being paid to promote diet 447 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 1: soft drinks and artificial sweetness on Instagram and TikTok. The 448 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: paid promotions are being funded by a group called American 449 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: Beverage Now. Critics have slammed the promotion as unethical and 450 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: misleading and say it's mudding the water sophy. 451 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 2: Can you tell us more? 452 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, you will remember. A couple of months ago, the 453 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: Internet went into meltdown when the World Health Organization linked 454 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: a spar tame to cancer. Now, a spar tame is 455 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: the sweetness that is found in diet cokes and other 456 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: diet products. Now, just as these concerns were being raised, 457 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: the hashtag safety of a spar Tame started spreading on 458 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 1: the social media accounts of health professionals. Now. A registered 459 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: dietitian called Steph Grazo, who has attracted two point two 460 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: million followers on TikTok, used the hashtag and told her 461 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: audience that the warnings about artificial sweetness were clickbait and 462 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: based on low quality science. Another dietitian called Kara Harpstreet, 463 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: who is from Kansas City, She also told her followers 464 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 1: that the headlines were fear mongering and said that the 465 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 1: evidence didn't suggest reason for concern. This was followed up 466 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: by another dietitian called Mary Ellen Phillips, and she specializes 467 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: in diabetes. She appeared on camera sipping a glass of 468 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: soft drink and told her followers that artificial sweetness satisfy 469 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: the desire for sweetness without affecting blood sugar or insulin levels. Now, 470 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: what these dietitians didn't make clear is they are being 471 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: paid to post this content by a group called American Beverage. Now, 472 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: American Beverage represent. 473 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 2: The likes of Coca Cola and Pepsi co So it. 474 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: Seems like these dietitians are a part of this orchestrated 475 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,160 Speaker 1: marketing campaign that has been developed by this GRIP grou 476 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: to play down the World Health Organization's recent claims about 477 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: a spartan being castinogenic and ineffective in weight loss. In total, 478 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: twelve health professionals were paid to promote this message, including 479 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: ten registered dietitians, a physician, and a fitness influencer. At 480 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 1: this stage, it's not clear how much they were paid, 481 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: and it wasn't really clear that they were being sponsored 482 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: to begin with. While it did say paid partnership, there 483 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: was a lot of confusion about who was actually paying 484 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: for these ads. It's not until you clicked through and 485 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: came across the American Beverage website and had to do 486 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: a bit of digging to find that they were actually 487 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 1: associated with cocon pepsi. Now, the Washington Post and the 488 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: examination broke this news and the publication revealed that this 489 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: is a tactic that has not only been used by 490 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: American beverage but the broader food beverage and dietary supplements industry. 491 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: And the report basically analyzed thousands of posts and found 492 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: that the companies paid dietitians for content that encouraged consumers 493 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: to eat laws and ice cream and downplay the risks 494 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: of highly processed foods and also push unproven supplements. It 495 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: is so disturbing the way that these registered dietitians are 496 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: being used like pawns in a game, and pretty shocked 497 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,479 Speaker 1: that there wouldn't be any regulations in this area. Yeah, well, 498 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: they do actually have rules. So there's a trade group 499 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: that basically oversees the dietitians, and there's a code of ethics. 500 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: So the code says that dietitians should disclose conflicts of 501 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: interest and they should avoid accepting gifts or services which 502 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: potentially influence or which may give the appearance of influencing 503 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: professional judgment. So the Academy has a board of ethics 504 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,719 Speaker 1: and they basically review any allegations that are brought forth 505 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: and if dietitians are found to breach these rules, basically 506 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: they have the power to evoke a dietitian's license. However, 507 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: in this case, the Washington Post contacted the board and 508 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: basically they claim that they so far haven't received any 509 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: complaints about the social media activity. But what is really 510 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: crucial here to know is is that the academy in question, 511 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: they actually accept millions of dollars in donations from leading 512 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 1: producers of soft drink, lollies and ultra process foods. They 513 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: are even sponsored by American Beverage, So no wonder they 514 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: aren't punishing any of these dietisians. 515 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this isn't a new thing. 516 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I've listened to so many podcasts and health 517 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: experts and they all tell the tale of there's always 518 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: these new studies coming out which they find out later 519 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: is you know, oh, they say that chocolate milk is good, 520 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 1: and then you find out that it's been funded by 521 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: a chocolate milk company. You feel like Cereal is the 522 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: biggest one because I remember growing up and it was 523 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: always about how breakfast is the most important meal of 524 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: the day. And funnily enough, that was funded by cereal companies. 525 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: It just makes it really hard to know what is 526 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,719 Speaker 1: actually the truth. And it is so unethical and so 527 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 1: appalling that health professionals are allowed to accept money to 528 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: put out information that is possibly dangerous. Actually so clever 529 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: of the food industry because they know that TikTok has 530 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: become a very trusted source of information and it's almost 531 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: somewhat of a search engine for a lot of gen 532 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: zetters and millennials. Yeah, particularly if you just do a 533 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: bite sized piece of information, because let's be honest, everyone 534 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 1: wants to drink diet coke. People want to know that 535 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 1: diet coke is fine to drink, So if they see 536 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: it by a doctor on TikTok, they're going to be 537 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: like cool, whatever. 538 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 2: And that's the thing. 539 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 1: What is so disturbing about this new strategy is I 540 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: feel like we have been on guard for so many 541 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: years now about unqualified influencers spooking health and diet advice. 542 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: But we've had it drummed into us that we should 543 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: trust health professionals. However, the fact that they are accepting 544 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: paid promotions is really mudding the water, and the food 545 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: industry is now basically harnessing the credentials of these experts 546 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: and they're using them to deliver a commercial message so 547 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 1: that the messages don't trust anyone online. Yeah, pretty much. 548 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 2: But it shows you. 549 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: How worried the big beverage companies are the fact that 550 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: they actually have sat down and they've strategized, oh shit, 551 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 1: how are we going to get the message out there 552 00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: that it's actually safe. 553 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 2: I don't think they're that worried about it. I think 554 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 2: that this is just something that they do all the time. 555 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: I think they are because when the World Health Organization 556 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: did reveal their findings about the cancel link between a 557 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: spar tame soft drink, sales went. 558 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 2: Down by twelve percent in the US. I mean this 559 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 2: is massive. 560 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: So it's clear the beverage companies thought, how are we 561 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: going to change this view of diet soft drinks. Now, 562 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: the American Beverage Group did provide a response to the story. 563 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: A spokesperson said that the Dietitians who participated in the 564 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: campaign had adequately disclosed their relationship to the group by 565 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: flagging the post as paid and using the paid hashtag. Now, 566 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: they claim that it was clear that the post had 567 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: been paid for by the American Beverage group because the 568 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 1: Dietitians had listed the aspartame dot com website, which includes 569 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: the American beverage logo at the bottom of the page. Now, 570 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: out of the thirty five videos, eleven specifically named the 571 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 1: Association or Amery Beev. 572 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 2: As the partner. 573 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: The group claims, Now, I think that's all we've got 574 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: time for today. Thank you so much for listening to 575 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: another episode of Outspoken. If you did enjoy it, we'd 576 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: love if you could leave us a five star review 577 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: and make sure you are subscribe to the podcast. This 578 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: podcast was recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana 579 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: people of the Adelaide Plains. We pay respect to elders 580 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: past and present.