1 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: Amy Torbert and coming up on today's show, Justin mckeann 4 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: is a no show again at his court hearing at Mega. 5 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: Markle's new show airs to mixed reviews. But first, as 6 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: Queensland and parts of New South Wales brace for cyclone, Alfred, 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: millennials and gen Zetters are taking to TikTok in their 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: droves to share about how they're preparing for the natural disaster. 9 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: This is such a scary time for so many people. Yeah, 10 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: and we are sending our love to anyone who is affected. 11 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: I know that a lot of our listeners will be 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: caught up in this. I have been absolutely glued to 13 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 1: TikTok because it has been so interesting to see how 14 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: this has played out online. I really think that creating 15 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: content has become a distraction for a lot of young 16 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: people because this is the first cyclone in their lifetime 17 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: to cross the South Coast. So there are so many 18 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: people who have never experienced situation like this, and I 19 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: feel like their way of connecting with other people about 20 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 1: it is to create content. 21 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 2: So we are seeing all. 22 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: Of these get ready with Me videos for cyclone Alfred, 23 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 1: and we're also seeing a lot of people posting about 24 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: mass panic buying. It's very reminiscent of COVID times, isn't it. Yeah, 25 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: because people are stocking up on toilet paper again as 26 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: well as canned foods. There is barely anything on the 27 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: shelves at the moment. I saw a Pituded Advocate headline 28 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: that said, in the Gold Coast, all of the supermarkets 29 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: have run out of fake tan and techlightning. Maybe not 30 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: the best joke right now, but there are so many 31 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: influences on the Gold Coast, and I think that's also 32 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: why we're seeing so many TikTok videos coming out. 33 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 2: You're joking about. 34 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: Teeth whitening and fake tan amy, but people are running 35 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: out of things like bottled water and torches. They seem 36 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: to be out of stock everywhere in these TikTok videos 37 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: that I'm seeing. We're also seeing how people are prepping 38 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: their houses, which I find really interesting. We live in Adelaide, 39 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,559 Speaker 1: so we've never had to prepare for a cyclone. People 40 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: are filling up their bath tubs with water in case 41 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: they run out. They're also making massive ice cubes so 42 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: that they can put them in coolers in case the 43 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: power goes out and they can't use their fridge, and 44 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: they're also tying down a lot of loose items in 45 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: their backyards. I saw someone on TikTok saying that they 46 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: almost felt fomo that they weren't part of the prep 47 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 1: going on for cyclone ALF, and I was like, what 48 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: the hell is wrong with people? Like this is actually 49 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:28,119 Speaker 1: an extremely serious incident that's ocring, And people were like, Oh, 50 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 1: I wish I was prepping for this, and I love storms. 51 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: Do you think it's because it's been five years since COVID, 52 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: it's coming up to the anniversary of when all of 53 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: the shit hit the fan, and we're sort of reminiscing 54 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: on that almost with this nostalgia because we're forgetting about 55 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: how awful it was, or we're thinking is at the 56 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: moment people like, bloody, hell, I wish I could have 57 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks at home, and oh, wasn't that 58 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: funny when everything ran out at the shops, And they're 59 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: sort of comparing the two events and thinking, oh, I 60 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: wish I could have a couple of days off, but 61 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: not facing the reality that people are potentially going to 62 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: lose their houses, They're going to get damage, people are 63 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: having to evacuate. 64 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 2: It's going to be mass flooding. It's scary. 65 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it just shows the power of 66 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: social media. People are seeing influences, for example, like Tammy 67 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: Hembro prepping for it and thinking, oh, I feel a 68 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: bit out of the loop. Yeah, I did enjoy seeing 69 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: her video. So she put up a TikTok with her husband, 70 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: Matt Szakowski, and they showed how they were getting ready 71 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: for cyclone. 72 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: Alfred. Here's what she said. 73 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 1: We're just getting the house all prepared in case the 74 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: power goes out and things like that. So I'm going 75 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: to show you guys what we get for what's worst. 76 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 2: We've got a few things at home already. 77 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: Never really been in in the middle of a cyclone 78 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: that's meant to hit right where we are. Apparently we're 79 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: on the most destructive side of it too. The couple 80 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: also popped into Target and they bought a massive cooler 81 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: as well as a lot of drink bottles and board games. 82 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: They also stopped up on wine and beer, which I 83 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: think is essentially if you've got three young kids stuck 84 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: in a house and a cyclone and also a lot 85 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: of baked beans were purchased. Yeah, I mean again, the 86 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: baked bean surprised me because if you run out of power, 87 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: how can you heat the baked beans up? But they 88 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: eating cold bake beans. A lot of people do eat 89 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: cold bake beans. Really work with a man and he 90 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: used to have for lunch a can of cold baked 91 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: beans with a piece of bread. 92 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: It was disgusting. 93 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think he was quite an interesting character, 94 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: wasn't he. Well, he was an interesting character. But I 95 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: mean in cyclone times you have to make doo with 96 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: cold baked beans. Well, it's interesting because Tammy's house is 97 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: on the waterfront, and she explained that luckily they're quite 98 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: high up because they're worried about the water rising. Obviously 99 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: with all the storm, she said she had to reduce 100 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: the water level in her pulo to try and avoid 101 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: it spilling over and flooding into the house. So she 102 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: seems to be following a lot of precautions, which is. 103 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 2: Good to see. 104 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 105 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: Well, as She Binds is another influencer who's on the 106 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,559 Speaker 1: Gold Coast, and she received criticism earlier this week because 107 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: she flew to Sydney for a work trip with her husband, Steve, 108 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: and they left their kids at home. 109 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a bit of. 110 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: A controversial decision. She's faced a lot of judgment over it. 111 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,239 Speaker 1: Shared ahead of the flight that she was really nervous 112 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: because she's not a great fly, as she was worried 113 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: about the bumpy conditions due to the storm and the 114 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: evolving weather event, and many of her followers were confused, 115 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: why you would leave your kids home during such an 116 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: uncertain time, because what if your flight got canceled and 117 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: you're literally stuck in Sydney and your kids are back 118 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: at home having defend for themselves. I mean, obviously she 119 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: would have had somebody looking on. Yeah, I'm sure maybe 120 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: they were with their grandparents or something. Well, as she 121 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: actually had to end up returning home early, she made 122 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: an eight and a half hour drive with her husband 123 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: back from Sydney because they said they knew that their 124 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: flight was going to get canceled. They were supposed to 125 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: fly back into the Gold Coast on Thursday, which is 126 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: when the sight clone was supposed to hit. And in 127 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 1: response to the criticism, Ash ended up sharing a post 128 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: from a creator called her Successful Minds, which opened up 129 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: about their feelings about all of the fear and panic 130 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: before the cyclone. 131 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 2: And I don't know if I really agreed. 132 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,239 Speaker 1: With this sentiment because outline that this creator didn't watch 133 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: the news and they didn't engage in low frequency conversations 134 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: about the cyclone, which personally, I don't think is the 135 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: best advice. When a natural disaster is about to hit, 136 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: you need to stay informed. I don't know if this 137 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: is the journalist coming out in me, but shit response 138 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 1: to say, oh, I haven't actually been keeping abreast of 139 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: the situation that's going on because it's so low vibe 140 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: and it's sort of acting as if you shouldn't be 141 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: across all of the details. There's so many experts who 142 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: are putting out really important warnings for people to evacuate. 143 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 2: You need to stay across these issues. 144 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: The post also spoke about you know, what you focus 145 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: on grows. If you feel fear, your body will respond 146 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: by searching for more fear. So she was manifesting the 147 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: end to this cyclone by not actually taking responsibility and 148 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: realizing it was occurring. Is that well, it sounds like it. 149 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: The post finish by saying, the real devastation is the 150 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: panic before anything has even happened. And I totally understand 151 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: that there are a lot of media organizations who do 152 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: pump things up and they do try to make everything 153 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 1: seem more dramatic. But in this situation, there are a 154 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: lot of xs who were weighing in saying that this 155 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: is a very serious incident and you need to be 156 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: vigilant and actually planned for this natural disaster. And I 157 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: think it's a bit naive to claim that you're not 158 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: focusing on it because you don't want the bad energy 159 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: and you don't want to let the fear in. I mean, 160 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: that's when accidents happen, isn't it. I mean that's when 161 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: you get into a situation where perhaps your kids are 162 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: at home alone during a huge sight. Well, it was 163 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: interesting because when as she arrived home, she made a 164 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: point of pointing out that the weather was so nice 165 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: and sunny and they went for a big walk, and she. 166 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 2: Was saying before the stow and she. 167 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: Then reiterated that, oh, we didn't go out and buy 168 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: any extra food. We should be okay for the next 169 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: few days. They're running out of food. Like I'm just 170 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: putting it out that I hope that that doesn't happen. 171 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: I feel terrible that they're involved in this. There are 172 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: the people that won't have the toilet paper. No, I'm 173 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: the executive creative director, chief buyer and lifestyle coordinator. 174 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 2: I'm very important. I decide the direction. Just decision decision decisions. 175 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 3: I say, what goes in this world? 176 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 2: What will that be? Darling oh Pon. 177 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: Former husband of Instagram Justin McKean, is in hot water 178 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: again after failing to appear for a second time during 179 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: his fraud hearing Amy Can you tell us more? 180 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: Yeah? 181 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,239 Speaker 1: Well, earlier this year, Justin made headlines when The Herald's 182 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: Sun revealed he had been accused of stealing almost half 183 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: a million dollars from his former employer, Rocket Brands, while 184 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: working as its head of finance. And Justin's employer claimed 185 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: he had been acting erratically and sleeping in the work 186 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: toilet for up to four hours a day. And so 187 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: these allegations they rocked the Internet when they emerged because 188 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: it really gave us some insight into how not everything 189 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: you see on social media is a reality. I think 190 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: that description of him falling asleep in the bathroom really 191 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: painted a picture of how dire the situation had got. 192 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: There has been a lot of interest in this court case, 193 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: mainly due to the fact that Justin used to be 194 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: married to influencer Olivia Rodgers, and there were so many 195 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: questions left unanswered when the couple broke up in twenty 196 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: twenty two after just eight months of marriage, because they 197 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: really painted this picture of this perfect life together, that 198 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: they were the ultimate power couple in Melbourne, and they 199 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: seemed pretty squeaky clean. They're always talking about how they 200 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: were doing dry July and about you know, not drinking alcohol. 201 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 2: So this was a bit of a shock for people. 202 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it gave people more of an 203 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: insight into maybe what was going on behind the scenes 204 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: and potentially why this marriage ended so soon. Now, according 205 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: to fresh reports from The Daily Mail, Justin appears to 206 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: have abandoned his defense in this civil case after failing 207 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 1: to appear in the Supreme Court of Victoria on Tuesday. 208 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: So Justin was supposed to mount a defense to the allegations, 209 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: but he didn't show up for a second time. Now, 210 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: according to reports, Justin's no show was the final insult 211 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: to the court, so it's believed his failure to submit 212 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: a defense is being viewed as an acceptance of. 213 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 2: Guilt, which is very big. 214 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: In November last year, he also failed to appear in court, 215 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: but he then declared that he had engaged a rather 216 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: large Melbourne legal firm called Gabali and O'Brien. However, the 217 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: courtland on Tuesday that the legal firm had actually dumped 218 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: justin a day before the hearing, which left him to 219 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,839 Speaker 1: represent himself. So it makes a bit more sense why 220 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: he didn't appear, and his non appearance might have something 221 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: to do with the fact he's also moved back to 222 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: Wa So he and his girlfriend former Bachelor contestant Tany Leeson. 223 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: It appears they're living together and they recently announced they're 224 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: expecting a baby. 225 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 2: I mean, this must be a. 226 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: Very stressful time for the couple, but it doesn't appear 227 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: that way on their socials, like they have been posting 228 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: as normal. Yeah, they seem to be living quite a 229 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: glamorous lifestyle. Still, They've been appearing at influencer events. They 230 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: don't seem to be embarrassed by the situation, or at 231 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 1: least want to look publicly. 232 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 2: Embarrassed by it. 233 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: I mean they're trying to ignore it. Yeah, I mean, 234 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 1: just because you've moved to wa though it doesn't give you. 235 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 2: An excuse not to find the welbot for you. 236 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: No, not at all. And there were some very serious 237 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: allegations leveled at Justin during this new court hearing. So 238 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: his former employer tended statements to the court alleging Justin 239 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: stole more than thirty four thousand dollars over a two 240 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: day period in August last year. So according to bank records, 241 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: at the time of the theft, Justin had just one 242 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: thousand dollars in his bank account, and it allegedly took 243 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,359 Speaker 1: him just a week to spend the money on alcohol, 244 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: drugs and gambling. 245 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 2: That's really sad. It is very sad. 246 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: The court also heard on Tuesday that when Justin was 247 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,839 Speaker 1: confronted by his boss in October last year, Justin allegedly 248 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: admitted to the theft, telling his boss he had a 249 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: very serious drug habit and he'd do his best to 250 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: repay the money. Would be so frustrating for rocket to 251 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: be investing a lot of time and energy into this 252 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: court case and to have Justin really treat it with 253 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: not very much respect and not turner. Oh, it would 254 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: be extremely frustrating. And as we touched on, this is 255 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: a civil case so far, but this could turn into 256 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: criminal charges. 257 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 3: People say, like, what do you want to do when 258 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 3: you grow up? What do you want to be? Like, 259 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 3: how do you envision your life? I envisioned my life 260 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 3: like how Megan Marko is living. Okay, I want to 261 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 3: live on a gorgeous countryside property. I want to wake 262 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 3: up in the morning and be like, oh my god, 263 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 3: a friend is coming over. Let me just casually whip 264 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 3: up a fortata with all ingredients that are from my 265 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 3: garden outside. 266 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: Meghan Markle's new show With Love premiered on Netflix this 267 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: week to mixed reviews. While some critics found joy in 268 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: Meghan returning back to her roots, others labeled the show 269 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: queasy and exhausting and an exercise in narcissism. Now, for 270 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: those who haven't seen it, Amy, can you bring us 271 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: up to speed? So this show is an eight part 272 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,599 Speaker 1: lifestyle series hosted by Meghan which is set in the 273 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: luxury estate in Montecito, California. And there's been so much 274 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: discussion online about the show not actually being filmed at 275 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: Harry and Meghan's house, which I don't even understand what 276 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: the big deal is Like, this is common practice for 277 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: Tech TV when this couple is so big on their privacy. 278 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 1: You know, there's so many jokes out South Park and 279 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: we want Priva, we want privacy. But to be fair, 280 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: they would look like complete hypocrites if they said, you know, 281 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: we really want to look after our children's privacy. And 282 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: then they're filming this huge show in their house. 283 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 2: Apparently there's eighty people on the crew. 284 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure that Megan's house is big enough to fit 285 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: them in, but they wouldn't want to disrupt their family 286 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: life like that. But it's not even just that. If 287 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: you look on more of a local level shows like 288 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: My Kitchen Rules, they don't even film in some of 289 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: the contestants' houses because it might be that the lighting 290 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 1: is not good or the setup of the kitchen doesn't 291 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: work for filming. Now, just getting back to the show. 292 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: In each episode, Meghan is joined by a different celebrity 293 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: friend and she shares personal tips and tricks in the kitchen, 294 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: as well as talking about her career and life. 295 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 2: And everything about. 296 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: This show is aesthetically pleasing, So from Meghan's wardrobe to 297 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: the ingredients she uses, to the cinematography, I don't think 298 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: we've seen a lifestyle show like this since the Martha 299 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: Stewart Show. Yeah, because it's all about her being the 300 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 1: ultimate hostess. And a lot of people have questioned whether 301 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: because obviously Meghan is a feminist, and people are saying. 302 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 2: Oh, how can she be a feminist and want to 303 00:13:58,440 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 2: be a. 304 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: Trad wife, And it's like, I want to be a track. 305 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: The whole thing is, it's like, you can still be 306 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 1: a feminist whilst enjoying hosting and cooking nice meals. I 307 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: know I was one of the people who fell in 308 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: the camp that they were really excited for this show 309 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: to drop, and I wanted to watch it instantly. What 310 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: did you make. 311 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: Of the show? 312 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 1: I don't think it is a surprise to our listeners 313 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: that we are pretty big fans of Megan Markle. So 314 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: I was really excited to watch the show. I was 315 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: a little bit nervous though, because I'd heard a lot 316 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: of the criticism about it, and I didn't want to 317 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: go into jaded because I was worried that I was 318 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: going to cringe. 319 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 2: But I thoroughly enjoyed it. 320 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: I'm one of those people who I loved watching cooking 321 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: shows growing up. In lifestyle shows, I feel like I 322 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: love the escapism of it. I loved Nigella Lawson and 323 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: get being involved in her world, and also shows like 324 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: Better Homes and Gardens. So for me, I absolutely loved 325 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: every second. One of my favorite things about the show 326 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: was the fashion. And I know everyone that's interesting to 327 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: say that when the focus was food, Well, I'm just saying, like, 328 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: I love seeing what she was wearing because she's such 329 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: a fashion icon, and everyone's like, oh, no, one where's 330 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: that when they're cooking. 331 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 2: They don't. 332 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: It's an esthetic fucking cooking show. She was wearing so 333 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: much white though, Like it was. She had one stage 334 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: this jumper over her shoulders while she was preparing something, 335 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, that looks ultra restrictive. But 336 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: so sheic at the same time, and is that When 337 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: she mentioned that her pants were Zarah, it was yeah, Well, 338 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: she said that she likes to dress high low, so 339 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: as you said, Amy, she had a Zara pants on, 340 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: but then she had a number of other high end 341 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: brands on. I'm sure some magazine has already broken down. 342 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 2: The costs of these bit somewhere. 343 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: Well. I was interested to see how TikTok would react 344 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: to the show, and unfortunately I reacted, how I thought, 345 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: quite negatively because the platform was flooded with videos of 346 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: people mocking Megan, so people called it awkward fake. They 347 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: also labeled her out of touch for some of the 348 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: tips and tricks she shared, so those who haven't seen it. 349 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: Some of those tips included adding sparkling water to scrambled 350 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: eggs to make them fluffier. I never knew that wrong 351 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: with that, transferring peanut butter pretzels from their original packaging 352 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: to a more aesthetically pleasing bag. 353 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 2: I mean, if anything, that was. 354 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: Probably the most relatable thing that she's to found it 355 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: quite funny though, because these were peanuts snacks for her 356 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: friend Daniel, who was her makeup artist on suits, and 357 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: she said, oh, he absolutely loves peanuts, but I'm just 358 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: putting some writing on there to declare that there are 359 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: peanuts in there because it can be an allergy for 360 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: some people. That's if he shares the peanuts. 361 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 2: I mean, that's responsible. 362 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: I think it was almost an opportunity to show off 363 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: her beautiful handwriting because she have some calligraphy business before her. 364 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 2: It sounds familiar. 365 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: Well, apparently the other unrelatable thing, and I've seen a 366 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: lot of this online before the show aired. Was the 367 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: ice cubes that she made with flowers inside of them. 368 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: So her tip was that you shouldn't use tap water 369 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: because they'll come out cloudy, and that you should either 370 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: use distilled water or boil your tap water. 371 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't know that. It's not that hard to 372 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 2: boil the kettle. It's not that hard. But I think 373 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 2: people are. 374 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: Saying who has time to make ice cubes with flowers 375 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: in them? Is quite funny because I felt like a 376 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: lot of criticism has also been leveled at how easy 377 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 1: some of the recipes were. For instance, there was I 378 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: think in the second episode it was all about planning 379 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 1: for a kid's birthday party, and she shared herself making 380 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 1: peanut butter and jelly sandwiches as well as cucumber sandwiches, 381 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: and then using shapes to cut them out, so she 382 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: had star ones and heart ones and everyone's like, we 383 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: all know how to make a fucking sandwich, and it's like, yes, 384 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: but it's the magic of making them appealing for children. Yeah, 385 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: And I actually enjoyed the simpler recipes because I thought, oh, yeah, 386 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: this is something that I could easily do at home, 387 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: whereas in the third episode, she had this chef on 388 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: who was cooking this really intricate Vietnamese recipes. She lost 389 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: me on that episode. I have to say, I'm like, 390 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: I need the simplicity here. Well, I just find it 391 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 1: really unfair the criticism about her being awkward, because she 392 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 1: would be second guessing everything she says because she knows 393 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: that this show is going to be completely torn apart 394 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: by the media and also viewers. 395 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 2: And also like, did we really. 396 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: Expect her not to have this air of perfectionism in 397 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: the show, because if she produced some stock standard meal, 398 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 1: just slopping stuff on plates, she would have been criticized 399 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: instantly for being not the perfect royal. I'sover in what 400 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 1: lifestyle program have we ever seen someone slobbing around in 401 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: dirty clothes making unappealing food, Like no one wants to 402 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: watch that. People want to buy in to the magic 403 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: of it. And I just think, to me, she wasn't 404 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: even awkward. I thought, you know, and people calling her 405 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: a fucking narcissist. I thought she came across as pretty 406 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 1: down to earth, considering she's married a prince, She's been 407 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: on a hugely popular show. One thing that was relatable 408 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: was she was wearing no shoes in the kitchen. 409 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 2: I noticed. I think that was I mean, maybe it's 410 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 2: all the la ground. 411 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: I remember she came out and said that when she 412 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: had Prince William and Kate Middleton over for dinner at 413 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,479 Speaker 1: her and Harry's house, they came really formally dressed and 414 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: she was wearing jeans and no shoes. 415 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 2: I feel like that's her thing. 416 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: I think it was definitely a strategic decision to make 417 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: it look like she was at home, even though we. 418 00:18:58,240 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 2: Know it's not actually her home. 419 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: One of the biggest talking points that's come out of 420 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: the show is whether this type of content is outdated 421 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, because there's been a lot of 422 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 1: comparisons made about just how perfect everything appears on the 423 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: show and the curated aesthetics made popular on Instagram and 424 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: in blogs in twenty sixteen, and a lot of these 425 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: conversations have stemmed from the fat Megan had a popular 426 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: lifestyle blog called The Tig, and so she started this 427 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen. She had to close it down in 428 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen once her relationship with Prince Harry started getting 429 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: more serious. So the argument is that this type of 430 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: content appears to be disingenuous because people are saying, as 431 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: a society, we've moved on from the idea that everything 432 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: needs to be so perfect. And if you take a 433 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: look at influencers who are succeeding in twenty twenty five, 434 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: so many of them are very different to the influence 435 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: of twenty sixteen. They're very authentic, they have a personality. 436 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 2: I kind of disagree, though. 437 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: I think in recent times we've really enjoyed creators like 438 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: Nara Smith. They've had a huge surge in popular because yes, 439 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: it's not relatable her cooking in a ball gown, but 440 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: we love the magic of it all, we love. 441 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 2: The theater of it. 442 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 1: I mean I agree with it in some aspects, especially 443 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: when it comes to Instagram, because in twenty sixteen, it 444 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: was all like flat layer asthetic images and most of 445 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 1: the influencers garnered a following for being hot and also rich. 446 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: But now because Instagram has moved away from just photos 447 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 1: like people have to actually put out video content and 448 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 1: have more of a personality, and this narrative has of 449 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: course continued. When critiquing her show. One of the biggest 450 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: gripes from critics seems to be this rainbow fruit platter 451 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: that she created. She has been slammed across the media 452 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: and also TikTok for it being something that we'd see 453 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: on tumbler in the early two thousands. I don't see 454 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 1: why everyone has such a problem with this. I thought 455 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: it was something really cute that you could make for 456 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: a kid's birthday party. 457 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 458 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: And if you look at the content that's popular on 459 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: TikTok these days, it is people reorganizing their pantries in 460 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: their lavish mansions. I mean, I regularly watch asthetic dinner 461 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: party content. I remember used by on the podcast recently 462 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,959 Speaker 1: about how you watched a woman who made a candlelarbra 463 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:04,959 Speaker 1: out of butter? 464 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 2: Would you ever do that? 465 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: No? 466 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 2: But do you enjoy watching it? Fuck? 467 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: Yes? Well it's the more ridiculous that gets the views. 468 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 469 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: And I've seen a lot of commentary from people saying, well, 470 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: not everyone has their own beehive like Megan, and we 471 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: don't have time to make bee wax candles like she 472 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 1: did on the show. And there's this rhetoric that's formed 473 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 1: that this show is only for the elite. No, this 474 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: show is about escapism, and I, for one thoroughly enjoy it. 475 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: I mean, for example, I watch Real Housewives of La. 476 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: Do I relate to any aspect of their life? 477 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 3: No? 478 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 2: But do I enjoy watching it? 479 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: Yes? Of course, Perstly I would love to go to 480 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: someone's house and make candles. That sounds fun to me. 481 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: We're seeing a lot of girls now creating. You know, 482 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: come paint candles with me at my house. It's an 483 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: opportunity to actually get your friends together and do something 484 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: creative and have a themed night. Well, I think TikTok 485 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: a korra lak. You put it so well. Let's have 486 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: a listen to what she said. If you don't like 487 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: Megan Markle's new show, you're a miserable process. 488 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 2: One had to say it, and. 489 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 3: This is coming from someone who has a major chip 490 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 3: on her shoulder, and listen, my life is falling apart. 491 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 2: I mean this is literally my setup currently. 492 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 3: I'm not exactly in a Santa Barbara estate myself. 493 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: But what I love about the show is that it's escapeism. 494 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 3: Okay, it is bringing cennema up back to the food space. 495 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: We haven't had this really since Martha Stewart, and Meghan 496 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: is giving it to us and more with Santa Barbara 497 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: fabulosity and I. 498 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 2: Don't care if it's perfectly curated. It absolutely is, but 499 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 2: give the girl a break. What is she supposed to do? 500 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: I completely agree with this sentiment. This show wasn't created 501 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: for everyone. It was created for people who like lifestyle shows, 502 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: cooking shows, and who want to entertain and get some 503 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: ideas and some inspiration. Yeah. Well, we touched on Megan's 504 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: blog site The Tig before and you really can see 505 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: how important this still is to Meghan because as part 506 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: of the launch of her show, she actually surprised a 507 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: group of fans who had supported her since her blogging days. 508 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: So some fans had been invite added to a screening 509 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: of the show. Let's have a listen to what went down. Okay, 510 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: we have a big surprise in story for girls would 511 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: have been following a Tig and everything else were sawn 512 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: found damage. This was very Taylor Swift of her. I 513 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 1: feel like this was right out of her playbook. It 514 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: was really cute how she surprised everyone and how she 515 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: immediately went and hugged a lot of her fans. 516 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 517 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: Well, Meghan shed some photos with some of the girls 518 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: and there were two who had gone to the extreme 519 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: of getting as ever, which is Meghan's new brand name 520 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: tattooed on their arms. 521 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 2: I mean, if that's not commitment. 522 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: I saw that, and I was hoping that they were 523 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: like temporary tattoos, because unfortunately I couldn't actually make out 524 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: what they said. Like I was thinking, did they do 525 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: it at the event because they looked really fresh that 526 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: they had. I thought maybe they were handed their tattoos 527 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: they handed out. No, they were not. They were real tattoos. 528 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: Meghan posted Tostagram story and she had the right explaining 529 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: that they said as ever, and I'm like, God, that's 530 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: a sign of a. 531 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 2: Bad tattoo and you have to explain what it says. 532 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: Well. One of the biggest viral moments of the show 533 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: was a scene where Meghan revealed to her friend Mindy 534 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 1: Kayling that she no longer goes by the last name Markle. 535 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 2: Let's have a listen to what she said. 536 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 3: I don't think anyone in the world knows that Megan 537 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 3: Michael has eaten shack. 538 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: In the Marx and loves funny too. 539 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 2: That you keep saying, Megan Mirkele, you know him Sussex. 540 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 2: Now you have kids and you go, no, I share 541 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 2: my name with my children. Yes, And that feels. 542 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: So I didn't know how meaningful it would be to me, 543 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,959 Speaker 1: but it just means so much to go. 544 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 2: This is our family name, our little family name. 545 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 1: This seemed to cause a lot of confusion because the 546 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 1: royal family's official last name is Mount Batton Windsor, and 547 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: everyone was like, she doesn't even know her last name. 548 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: But they're actually incorrect because when Harry was growing up 549 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: at school, for instance, and his family were under the 550 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: Wales family. So when Prince Charles was Prince of Wales, 551 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: his last name was Wales, so he was known as 552 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: Harry Wales and it has evolved throughout his life. 553 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 2: So when Meghan and Harry got married, they were given 554 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 2: the title. 555 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: Of Duke and Duchess of Sussex by Queen Elizabeth in 556 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, so that is officially their last name. I 557 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: think I think she knows her last name, Like, I 558 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 1: don't think she's getting confused. Yeah, I was lapping up 559 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: any sort of details about Harry and I really wish 560 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: that he was one of the guests who came to 561 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: visit her. 562 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 2: Well he was in the last episode. 563 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't get much of him, but one thing 564 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: we did discover is that she has to undersult her 565 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 1: food constantly because apparently Harry loves. 566 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 2: A bit of salt. 567 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: What do you mean undersaulted? Well, so she said she 568 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: undersaults everything because she knows that her husband immediately tosses 569 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 1: soul on before even trying the food. So I am 570 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,719 Speaker 1: guessing the food at Buckingham Palace is quite tasteless, like 571 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: he has. 572 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 2: Grown up with shit food. 573 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: It sounds like, well, Prince Harry is the man after 574 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: my own heart, because that is literally me. I put 575 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: salt on everything. Dale was like, how can you eat 576 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: so much soul? 577 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 2: Now? 578 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: A lot of critics are also focusing on the fact 579 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: that Megan and Harry received a huge amount of money 580 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: for this deal with Netflix. So they got one hundred 581 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: million dollars as an overall deal to produce a number 582 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: of shows, including With Love, and people are saying, well, 583 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: was this a good financial decision for Netflix? And there 584 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: has been a lot of negative press about With Love 585 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,360 Speaker 1: receiving terrible viewer ratings, but it's all focused on platforms 586 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: like IMDb and also Rotten Tomatoes, which I wouldn't say 587 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: were the most highbrow publications. So again, these are people 588 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: who don't like her, who don't like lifestyle programs who 589 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: don't like cooking programs. Yeah, and I saw one TikToker 590 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: saying I wonder if Netflix is relying on people hate watching. 591 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: I did see that the show is in Netflix top ten, 592 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: so obviously a lot of people have tuned in, which 593 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 1: results in it being a success. So when it came out, 594 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 1: it was in the top ten in the US and 595 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: the UK. It has dropped out since, but I would 596 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: think that this was a big success for Netflix because 597 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: so many people are talking about in the press, so 598 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: many people are talking about it online. As you said, 599 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: a lot of people might just be hate watching it, 600 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: but it's bringing people to that streaming service. Clearly, it 601 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: must be financially viable for them, considering they've signed on 602 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: as a partner to sell Megan's products with her on 603 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: their platform. Yes, so they have partnered with her as 604 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: ever brand, and she has dropped eight products, which include 605 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 1: Raspberry preserves. Now, so for you were saying to me 606 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: earlier that there's a reason why she calls them preserves 607 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: are not jam Yeah. I found this so fascinating because 608 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 1: again I was on hire alert with everyone being so 609 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: critical of her, and I'm like, is she just being 610 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: a wanker by calling them preserves instead of jam. But 611 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: I learned through the show that in order for something 612 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: to be jam, it has to be fifty percent sugar 613 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: fifty percent fruit. And we learned that Megan doesn't really 614 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: like sweet things. She doesn't have a huge sweet tooth 615 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: because she's salted. 616 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 2: She didn't. 617 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, she admitted that she didn't like honey, even though 618 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: honey featured a lot, but. 619 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 2: She she has her own Beehi. 620 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: Well she said she likes it now that it's top 621 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 1: quality honey anyway, So basically, she doesn't like it when 622 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 1: jam is ultra sweet because she likes to be able 623 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: to taste the fruit in it, So that is why 624 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: she calls it preserves. 625 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 2: Okay, thank you for clearing that up. 626 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: Well, we also found out because remember when she sent 627 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: out all of her jam to influencers and she labeled 628 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: to say the other week that jam is her jam. Well, yes, 629 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: well she still likes jam, not as catchy as preserve. 630 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: Is my presentment? 631 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 2: Well exactly. 632 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: Well, when Mindy was on the show, she pointed out 633 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: that she was one of the influencers to receive Megan's 634 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 1: first batch, the first fifty jams that she sent out. 635 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 1: I remember they were numbered, and Mindy was like, I 636 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: hope you didn't rate people like as in terms of 637 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: her how good a friend they are, because I think 638 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: she received the number in the forties and Meghan was like, no, no, no, 639 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: I didn't even think about that in saying that, though 640 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: I did give my mum number one. Jam. Oh, so 641 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: this is like her MySpace top friends again back to 642 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: the early two thousands. Yeah. So. The other products she's 643 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: got on her website are three types of herbal tea, 644 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: honey create Mix, short bread cookie mix, as well as 645 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: edible flowers, So Sophie, if you do want to make 646 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: the flower ice cubes at home, you can. I was 647 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: interested that there was nowhere that you could download the recipes. 648 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you could have done the old school thing 649 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: and had your notebook out and written them down on 650 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: the show. But I thought it would have been really 651 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: lucrative for Netflix or Megan to have set up a 652 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: website which listed all of the recipes that's coming, because 653 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: even with these products, when I went on the website, 654 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: I was interested to see how much she would be 655 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: charging for each product, and there are no prices listed, 656 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: and on the website it says available Spring twenty twenty five. 657 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 2: What's bizarre. 658 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: I think you want to strike while the iron is 659 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: hot and there's a call to action. Yeah, well, it 660 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: prompts you to sign up for a mailing list and 661 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: apparently you will get set out an email when it's available. 662 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: And it's actually not officially spring in the US yet. 663 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: So Spring is officially on the twentieth of March, so 664 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like we have to wait long. But 665 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: as you said, if I was Netflix, I would want 666 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: those products out right now. I wonder if they haven't 667 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: put them out purposely because perhaps they're expensive and they 668 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: think that the bad publicity will overshadow over the show. 669 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 2: It's going to be interested in the products. 670 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: Once they've gone through all eight episodes, they'll forget about it. 671 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: And lots more bizarres. This show was held off until March. 672 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: It was supposed to air at the end of January, 673 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: but because of the la fires, they didn't put it out, 674 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: so they've had extra time to make sure that everything 675 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: is available. It's a very strange zoo. Maybe they've got 676 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: Megan in the kitchen trying to pump out all the preserves. Well, 677 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: that's all we've got time for today. If you have 678 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: missed our Friday debrief because we chose to add in 679 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: a few more influencer topics this week, make sure you 680 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: are subscribed to Outspoken Plus because we have done some 681 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: big debriefs in recent episode. We had a massive debrief 682 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: on Thursday show. I feel like it was quite cathartic 683 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: for us. Amy. People will have noticed that Kate has 684 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: been absent this week from the podcast. That isn't over 685 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: any drama relating to the Carpa click, which I shall 686 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: not be mentioning going to that is a joke. It 687 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: is because her son Jack, he's had his first cold, 688 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: so she has been staying away because Amy and I 689 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,479 Speaker 1: have a very low immune system at the moment, so 690 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: we so it's been sad not having her on. Hopefully 691 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: she'll be back next week. I'm pretty sure she is 692 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: dying to be involved in the episodes. 693 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 694 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: Actually that's a good point. Our episode will be dropping 695 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: on Wednesday though, because here in Adelaide it's a public 696 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: holiday on Monday. 697 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 2: Isn't it a public holiday everyone? 698 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: No, it's Adelaide Cup Day. 699 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 2: If it was Labour Day for some reason, it might. 700 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: Be Labor Day for some of the other states, but 701 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: not for everybody. Yes, so keep an eye out for 702 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: that episode dropping on Wednesday. Thank you so much for 703 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: joining us, though, if you have enjoyed today's show, could 704 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: you please make sure you ask subscribe to Apple podcast 705 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: and also Spotify, and please leave us a five star review. 706 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on the traditional land of the 707 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. 708 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 2: We pay respect to elders past and present,