1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: This is jam Nation with. 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 2: Well. Our next guess is a true national treasure. Considered 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 2: one of Australia's most iconic comedians and stars, she's now 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: in a role that's a far cry from Sharon Strezleki 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 2: from Kath and Kin. She's on a journey to uncover 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 2: our physical and mental health challenges as a nation in 7 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 2: Magda's Big National Health Check. Magda Zubanski, Hello, Hello, how 8 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 2: are you right? 9 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 3: A national treasure? 10 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: You are a national treasure? So many people describe you 11 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 2: as that. 12 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: Hey, can I just quickly say read the mandatory national service? 13 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: Oh my god? Like we already burden young people with 14 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: massive student debt. Would it be better if it was 15 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: voluntary and they could do something that was really about 16 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: their future, like working to transitions from fossil fuels, but 17 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: instead of some old dude's fantasy about the past, just 18 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: the thought maybe voluntary. What they did, well, it was 19 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: voluntary and it actually worked to reduce their student debt. 20 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I said. That makes sense. That makes sense. 21 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: I know I came from an era and you probably 22 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 2: did too, Magda, where tertiary education was free thanks to 23 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: GoF Whitlam. It's hard to see young people start their 24 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: new lives crippled with dead already. 25 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so if they wanted to do I mean, yeah, exactly, 26 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: And it's the benefits of it. You know, I really 27 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: feel like I haven't wasted that. You know, I've paid 28 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: a shipload of tracks. Yes, I feel I've well and 29 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: truly repaid that. But I just think that's a nonsense 30 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: from the past. Anyway, moving on. 31 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 2: Yes, I know, I like it. 32 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 1: Thank you. 33 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 2: So what were some of the things you uncovered? What 34 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 2: was the most shocking thing you've discovered on this journey. 35 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: Look, there were a whole lot of things, Like I 36 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: didn't realize the extent of illness. I have chronic illnesses 37 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: like it's migraines and and I have an automyonastritis, which 38 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: is mild enough that I can manage well. But thisty 39 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: percent of austrains that have some form of chronic illness, 40 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: which means one too. If it's not you, it's someone 41 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: your love. Wow, But yeah, I know, I know, it's 42 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: a real lot. So the other thing is that it's 43 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: about the way because we don't have mandatory food labeling, 44 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: it's hard to know how many hidden sugars like there's 45 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: something like I tweeted about it today that George Institute 46 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: publisher things there's like eight hundred different terms or something 47 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: for sugar, so you can't It's like whack a mole. 48 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: Just when you think you've got to handle on what's 49 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 1: the hidden sugar, it changes its name. So in terms 50 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: of trying to control your sugar intake and that if 51 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: your kids, it's really hard. So what we're pushing for 52 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: is mandatory labeling so that at a glance, you know, 53 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: you can look at a product and know how much 54 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: sugar it's gotten it so you can calculate that into 55 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: your day. And the other thing is there was really 56 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 1: quitting well a couple of things. We're seeing heart disease 57 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: in kids as young as eleven and brand recognition among 58 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: three year olds, so you know, there's this kind of 59 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: indoctrination into a certain way of eating that is beyond 60 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: parents control. And some of the programs to Night with 61 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: some mothers whose eyes were really opened and they are 62 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: quite shocked to discover the things they thought were sort 63 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: of organic and healthier actually fifty per cent sugar. So 64 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: it's really, you know, this is important stuff. 65 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 2: When you say brand recognition are you meaning like fast 66 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 2: food chains and things like that. 67 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and food. Yeah. Absolutely. There's this fantastic experiment devised 68 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 1: by cats from Backhold, which they use these combat blasts 69 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: that we use for in the army for recognizing threat. 70 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: They can put them on a child's eye and see 71 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: recognized from their ipatents how much they're noticing advertisements for 72 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: usually fast food outlets or you know, junk foods. They 73 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: can actually time how much time kids spend looking at 74 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: those and how distracted they are and how focused they 75 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: are on those ads. But there's lots of research indicating 76 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: that building that brand loyalty. You know, you get them young, 77 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: you get them for the rest of their lives, and 78 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: it takes away that sort of you know, we think 79 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: we have freedom of choice when we go into a supermarket, 80 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: but there are a whole lot of unconscious things that 81 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: are being used to you know, placing things at the 82 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: end of the line or putting them on the supermarket 83 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: islet cheap level. You know, it's when you've got fifty 84 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: percent of the population with chronic illness, and a lot 85 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: of that can be modified through lifestyle changes. These things 86 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: are really important to believe the chronic. 87 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 3: Disease, and I hate when they do that at the 88 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 3: supermarket where they move everything around, because I like to 89 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 3: go in and out. I'm like Matt Damon and the 90 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 3: Born identity when I go shopping, and you can't be 91 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 3: that if they move all the stuff around. 92 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: And it's hard, isn't it. You try your best, but 93 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 2: this is a big system we're fighting. 94 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: That's right, And that's the thing is that the sort 95 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: of objective of the show is looking at things of 96 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: trying to make the healthy choice the easy choice, instead 97 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: of actually having all of these obstacles. There's a lot 98 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: of things. I mean, you know, I'm trying to ram 99 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: this into a couple of minutes talking to you, but 100 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: the shows are now long and it really goes into 101 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: this stuff. And then there's lots of ancillary things that 102 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: people can look at following the show to get more 103 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: informed about it. But you know, there are great I've 104 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: always thought it's like it's totally my fault, and of 105 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: course like a scept individual responsibility, but when you're trying, 106 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: it's like if you were a problem gambler and you're 107 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: seeing gambling ads all the time, it's how can you 108 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: ever not have that present in your mind, and the 109 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: food and the junk food ads and the presence of 110 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: junk food and fast food. I'm not totally against it, 111 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: you know. I love me bit of macas, don't get 112 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: me wrong. But you know, when, for example, a new 113 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: suburb is developing, the first things that go in are 114 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: the fast food chains, before parks, before you know, post 115 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: we can buy fresh fruit and vegetables, all that stuff. 116 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: So it's about border things too. Like there's some great 117 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: initiatives in Manfield. They got there of these tests that 118 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 1: showed that their kids were really unhealthy and just not 119 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: eating crude in vegetables and the number of kids it's 120 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: only like four in one hundred kids are getting a 121 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: daily recommended amount of fruit and bench four out of 122 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: one hundred every hundred percent. So that's sort of what 123 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 1: shows about showing how there's structural things, and that means 124 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: that as a society we have to come up with 125 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: initiatives to try and address that. 126 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 2: That's interesting because we see ourselves as having this healthy 127 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 2: outdoors life that would be shocked by this profile of 128 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 2: who we actually are. 129 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: Yeah we're not that. We think we're that, but we're 130 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: really not that. And it works. You know. I mean 131 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: when I was young and I was fat, I really 132 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: was an outlier. And now I'm just it's sort of normal, 133 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: you know. And I'm not using fat as a derogatory term. 134 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: You know. I think we need to stop sat chaming. 135 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: I think that's also part of the thing that really 136 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: doesn't help. But by the same token, you know, you 137 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: don't want to be seeing a eleven year old kids 138 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: beginnings of disease. That's insane. 139 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. Well, mag this is all good stuff. 140 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 3: Magda's Big National Health Check tonight a thirty on ABC 141 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 3: TV and ABC I View. It's great to have a 142 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 3: National Treasure on as well. 143 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: Yes, thanks, and can I just say too, it's not 144 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: all negative. It's very much about community. It's some fantastic 145 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: community solutions. So it's actually quite inspiring, certainly inspired me. 146 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 3: Do we discover that the plumb Rose hot dogs in 147 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 3: the can are actually healthy? Because I love those things? 148 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: No, it's things like in Mansfield they get the excess 149 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: produce that home gardeners get from there, you know, when 150 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: you've got your veggie patch, and then they go to 151 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: market the tree and give it to people who can't 152 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: afford vegetables. Oh, good. That's amazing, right, I know, because 153 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: you've always got more than you need when you grow 154 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: your own you know, true man. Yeah, yeah, so there's 155 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: really great inspiring stuff like that. 156 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 3: I've always got too much homegrown at home, but that's that's. 157 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: For another story and time. Officer. Thank you, Thank you, Joctor. 158 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: Always great to talk to you. Thank you.