1 00:00:10,204 --> 00:00:13,484 Speaker 1: My Heart podcasts here, more Gold one on one point 2 00:00:13,524 --> 00:00:15,204 Speaker 1: seven podcasts. 3 00:00:14,604 --> 00:00:19,163 Speaker 2: Playlists and listen live on the free iHeart app and 4 00:00:19,364 --> 00:00:21,004 Speaker 2: Amanda jam Nation. 5 00:00:21,164 --> 00:00:24,363 Speaker 1: The new South walest government has passed legislation outlawing the 6 00:00:24,404 --> 00:00:28,764 Speaker 1: creation and the sharing of sexually explicit deep fakes without 7 00:00:28,804 --> 00:00:33,083 Speaker 1: consent following a huge rise in explicit deep fakes. To 8 00:00:33,084 --> 00:00:35,124 Speaker 1: tell us more, we're joined by the Premier Chris Men's 9 00:00:35,123 --> 00:00:37,564 Speaker 1: good morning Premier, good. 10 00:00:37,364 --> 00:00:40,364 Speaker 3: Morning there to good morning Jons minsy can we say, MINSI, 11 00:00:40,644 --> 00:00:47,084 Speaker 3: I feel like you know it's not really premierial. Absolutely 12 00:00:47,164 --> 00:00:48,203 Speaker 3: you can, of course you can. 13 00:00:48,324 --> 00:00:51,764 Speaker 1: Thank This stuff is quite terrifying, isn't it, The implications 14 00:00:51,884 --> 00:00:55,524 Speaker 1: of deep fakes, sexual deep fakes being shared about you. 15 00:00:55,604 --> 00:00:58,204 Speaker 1: I know that the implications have been tragic for children. 16 00:00:59,524 --> 00:00:59,724 Speaker 2: Yeah. 17 00:00:59,884 --> 00:01:02,644 Speaker 3: No, you're absolutely right, And I think governments sometimes are 18 00:01:02,684 --> 00:01:07,164 Speaker 3: a bit slow to the table, particularly with rapidly changing technology, 19 00:01:07,164 --> 00:01:09,284 Speaker 3: but this one is something we have to move on 20 00:01:09,324 --> 00:01:13,044 Speaker 3: as quick as possible. That the circumstances can be hugely traumatic, 21 00:01:13,124 --> 00:01:16,724 Speaker 3: primarily for women. It is a form of abuse and 22 00:01:17,044 --> 00:01:21,804 Speaker 3: sexually explicit pornographic AI generated images can be so realistic, 23 00:01:21,924 --> 00:01:24,444 Speaker 3: but if they're directed at young people in particular, can 24 00:01:24,484 --> 00:01:28,604 Speaker 3: have huge, huge implications for their mental health, their anxiety, 25 00:01:28,604 --> 00:01:30,804 Speaker 3: and their relationships with others. 26 00:01:30,284 --> 00:01:34,404 Speaker 2: And what sort of punishment of people going to get 27 00:01:34,484 --> 00:01:35,844 Speaker 2: when they distribute these. 28 00:01:36,004 --> 00:01:40,283 Speaker 3: Fakes punishment of up to three years in jail and 29 00:01:40,324 --> 00:01:43,563 Speaker 3: the fine or a fine of eleven thousand dollars or both. 30 00:01:44,044 --> 00:01:49,124 Speaker 3: Obviously the jail sentence is the big disincentive there, and look, 31 00:01:49,124 --> 00:01:53,244 Speaker 3: we believe we need it. It is already illegal to 32 00:01:53,484 --> 00:02:00,324 Speaker 3: illegally record someone in an intimate moment, but that doesn't 33 00:02:00,324 --> 00:02:03,804 Speaker 3: cover the generation of AI which in the circumstances where 34 00:02:03,884 --> 00:02:06,804 Speaker 3: someone wasn't attending, had nothing to do with it, but 35 00:02:06,924 --> 00:02:09,484 Speaker 3: could be seen to be part of it. So hugely 36 00:02:09,483 --> 00:02:13,484 Speaker 3: worried about what they call sexploitation, where someone could be 37 00:02:13,603 --> 00:02:18,003 Speaker 3: shaken down for money or even worse, in circumstances where 38 00:02:18,603 --> 00:02:21,604 Speaker 3: these images and these videos are generated. And look, it's 39 00:02:21,603 --> 00:02:25,684 Speaker 3: appalling behavior. It's despicable that someone would even contemplate doing it, 40 00:02:25,724 --> 00:02:29,444 Speaker 3: but we know the implications once the images in the 41 00:02:29,524 --> 00:02:32,123 Speaker 3: video are generated are hugely traumatic for people. 42 00:02:32,444 --> 00:02:36,284 Speaker 1: It's interesting that and the punishments for the creators of 43 00:02:36,324 --> 00:02:39,244 Speaker 1: the content, but those who also share it. So if 44 00:02:39,284 --> 00:02:41,404 Speaker 1: that's on your phone and you send it to your mate. 45 00:02:42,363 --> 00:02:43,564 Speaker 4: You are also liable. 46 00:02:45,084 --> 00:02:49,684 Speaker 3: That's right, and I understand that that may not be 47 00:02:49,844 --> 00:02:53,524 Speaker 3: commonly understood. But the generation of these images needs to 48 00:02:53,564 --> 00:02:57,644 Speaker 3: be shared by somebody. Often this is done. I don't 49 00:02:57,884 --> 00:03:01,203 Speaker 3: noted for it, but people have to understand that, Yes, 50 00:03:01,244 --> 00:03:03,604 Speaker 3: these are serious penalties, but on a moral level, on 51 00:03:03,644 --> 00:03:06,404 Speaker 3: an ethical level, you shouldn't be generating. You shouldn't be 52 00:03:06,404 --> 00:03:09,844 Speaker 3: sharing this kind of These kind of images grossly unfitter 53 00:03:09,964 --> 00:03:13,364 Speaker 3: the people involved and without their consent. It's appalling behavior. 54 00:03:14,803 --> 00:03:19,043 Speaker 2: Away from that, Anthony Albanese is off to visit meet 55 00:03:19,084 --> 00:03:19,803 Speaker 2: with Donald Trump. 56 00:03:20,043 --> 00:03:22,684 Speaker 4: If you were the prime minister of this country, which. 57 00:03:22,483 --> 00:03:25,524 Speaker 2: He could well be, Chris, Uh, what would you you 58 00:03:25,603 --> 00:03:26,844 Speaker 2: walk into the White House? 59 00:03:27,244 --> 00:03:29,923 Speaker 4: What would the first thing you say to Donald Trump? 60 00:03:31,483 --> 00:03:34,044 Speaker 3: I suppose so well, I love the goal, love, love 61 00:03:34,084 --> 00:03:40,644 Speaker 3: what you've done, because fantastic, that's right. Talk about I 62 00:03:40,684 --> 00:03:42,684 Speaker 3: don't know, I don't know what it's actually approve your 63 00:03:42,724 --> 00:03:45,084 Speaker 3: tongue card. Maybe i'd tell it. Maybe I'll give him 64 00:03:45,124 --> 00:03:46,364 Speaker 3: my Donald Trump impression. 65 00:03:47,404 --> 00:03:48,884 Speaker 4: Huge rum, This is. 66 00:03:48,844 --> 00:03:51,884 Speaker 3: A huge drum. It's good to see you, Buss. You're 67 00:03:51,884 --> 00:03:54,084 Speaker 3: both losers, but congratulations. 68 00:03:55,604 --> 00:03:56,404 Speaker 4: I think that's good. 69 00:03:56,404 --> 00:04:00,324 Speaker 1: I think I want to keep you here. 70 00:04:01,844 --> 00:04:05,083 Speaker 4: I think he's doing a great job like this, I 71 00:04:05,284 --> 00:04:05,604 Speaker 4: like this. 72 00:04:06,404 --> 00:04:09,044 Speaker 2: Are we over the protests or anymore crazy protests on 73 00:04:09,084 --> 00:04:09,644 Speaker 2: this weekend? 74 00:04:09,803 --> 00:04:11,003 Speaker 4: Is that we're done with that? 75 00:04:12,164 --> 00:04:15,324 Speaker 3: Well, I think they're still continuing. And you know that's 76 00:04:15,363 --> 00:04:18,524 Speaker 3: a balancing act for New South Wales police. We recognize 77 00:04:18,524 --> 00:04:20,284 Speaker 3: people got a right to protest, but you've also got 78 00:04:20,284 --> 00:04:23,044 Speaker 3: a right to enjoy the city and spend time with 79 00:04:23,084 --> 00:04:26,564 Speaker 3: your family and friends in the city CBD. I mean 80 00:04:26,724 --> 00:04:29,324 Speaker 3: sometimes police are left with this impossible task where they've 81 00:04:29,324 --> 00:04:31,404 Speaker 3: got to balance both things at the same time. I 82 00:04:31,884 --> 00:04:34,764 Speaker 3: think they've done a really good job. I know that 83 00:04:34,844 --> 00:04:36,964 Speaker 3: others have criticized them, but can you think about how 84 00:04:36,964 --> 00:04:39,924 Speaker 3: impossible that job would be to try and maintain a 85 00:04:39,964 --> 00:04:42,724 Speaker 3: city of millions and millions of people with very different 86 00:04:42,764 --> 00:04:44,964 Speaker 3: and divergent views, while at the same time letting people 87 00:04:45,044 --> 00:04:49,644 Speaker 3: enjoy this beautiful weather. So look, we're getting there, but 88 00:04:50,324 --> 00:04:52,964 Speaker 3: sometimes it's hard as them. It's harder than not. 89 00:04:53,244 --> 00:04:55,324 Speaker 2: You've got a lot on your plate and that's keeping 90 00:04:55,404 --> 00:04:58,524 Speaker 2: the old statue of Bruce Lee nicely shined. 91 00:04:58,684 --> 00:05:00,564 Speaker 4: I went pasted it in Conger the other day. It's 92 00:05:00,564 --> 00:05:01,123 Speaker 4: looking good. 93 00:05:02,644 --> 00:05:06,044 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's still perplexing and most people don't understand why 94 00:05:06,084 --> 00:05:10,364 Speaker 3: it's there, but it has become an institution and when 95 00:05:10,444 --> 00:05:12,484 Speaker 3: it's not going anywhere. I mean, I think that's the 96 00:05:12,484 --> 00:05:15,204 Speaker 3: big message out of today. I know that there's haters 97 00:05:15,244 --> 00:05:18,404 Speaker 3: out there that want to rip it down, but we will, 98 00:05:18,484 --> 00:05:21,124 Speaker 3: we will go to the wall. All that Bruce Lee, 99 00:05:21,244 --> 00:05:24,404 Speaker 3: don't you, even though he never came to Australia, never 100 00:05:24,444 --> 00:05:24,884 Speaker 3: came here. 101 00:05:25,124 --> 00:05:27,084 Speaker 1: I like that people look at them think that's perplexing. 102 00:05:27,404 --> 00:05:29,964 Speaker 2: That's perplexing, and you know what, there'll probably be a 103 00:05:30,004 --> 00:05:32,324 Speaker 2: protest about it on both sides anyway. 104 00:05:32,644 --> 00:05:34,844 Speaker 4: Chris, it's always great to talk to you. Thank you 105 00:05:34,884 --> 00:05:35,564 Speaker 4: for joining us. 106 00:05:36,764 --> 00:05:39,124 Speaker 3: Thanks guys, I appreciate you having me on our premiere. 107 00:05:39,204 --> 00:05:39,924 Speaker 4: Chris Min's there.