1 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: Sophie Torbah and coming up on today's show, Indy Clinton 4 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 1: loses thirty eight thousand followers with a single click. Martha 5 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: Califatitis opens up about her ex plant surgery, self proclaimed 6 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: tennis wag, Morgan Riddle's win for the Girls, and Channel 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: seven's controversial decision to add horoscopes to the bulletin. But first, 8 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: Sydney influencer Isabel Clark was getting set to launch her 9 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: new brand, Sunflower Avenue, when a small business owner from 10 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: Melbourne accused her of stealing her design. Now, Sophie, this 11 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: story has a few twists and tans. Let's start with 12 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: the accusations that have been held at Isabel Clark. 13 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: So these accusations have come from a small business owner 15 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: called Sarah who has been running an apparel brand called 16 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: Mindsetters for the past two years and she was inspired 17 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: to start the brand after she sadly lost her sister 18 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: to suicide. Now on TikTok, the brand describes the apparel 19 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: as comfy clothes for mental health. Now she sells a 20 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: range of jumpers and T shirts with positive slogans across 21 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: the front and back. Last week, Sarah decided to jump 22 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: on TikTok to accuse a large Australian influencer of stealing 23 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: her designs. She said she didn't intend on naming and 24 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: shaming the influencer, but pointed out they have a pretty 25 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: big following and are releasing an apparel line. Here's what 26 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: she said. 27 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 3: They posted a sneak peek of the apparel that they're 28 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 3: going to release and it uses the same slogan that 29 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 3: we released in our first collection, and I feel like 30 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 3: the design is very similar and it's really upsetting. I've 31 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 3: been sitting on it for a while, trying not to 32 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 3: let it phase me, but it's really upsetting me now 33 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 3: because when you are a little fish in a big sea, 34 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 3: you do something amazing for your brand and release this 35 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 3: tea that you're really proud of, and then there's an 36 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 3: influencer out there with a big following that just basically 37 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 3: snatches your design from you and wants to make a 38 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:14,679 Speaker 3: profit out of it. 39 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: Sarah then shared a screenshot of the two designs side 40 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: by side and commented how similar they looked now. The 41 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: first screen shot was of Isabella's design, which was a 42 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: gray jumper with a large blue sunflower on the back 43 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: with the word Sunflower Avenue across it. There was also 44 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: a black jumper with the slogan no Rain, no Flowers, 45 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: which was written up the sleeve. In the next slide, 46 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: she showed her design, which was a white T shirt 47 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: with the same slogan no Rain, no Flowers written across it, 48 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: but it was in this seventy style writing and also 49 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: had blue and green flowers surrounding it. So to me, 50 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 1: the designs looked very different. It was just the slogan 51 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: that was the same. So much for Sarah not naming 52 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: and shaming, because a quick Google search will show you 53 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: that Sunflower Avenue is Isabelle Clark's brand. Yeah, it's pretty 54 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: obvious because Isabelle has been talking a lot on her 55 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: TikTok about how she's launching a new brand. She's also 56 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,239 Speaker 1: put up YouTube videos recently, and she does have over 57 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: three one hundred thousand followers on TikTok. So these tiktoks 58 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: are popping up in people's for you pages, it's easy 59 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: to decipher who she's speaking about. Yeah, and it didn't 60 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: take long for people to connect the dots and realize 61 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: who Sarah was calling out, and this prompted isabel Clark 62 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: to address the accusations on her Instagram's story, so she 63 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: wanted to set the record straight. She wrote, hope you 64 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: know I'll never ever copy anyone's designs. My mistake for 65 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: letting this girl into the group. I tried to give 66 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: her a safe space through this group, and she's trying 67 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: to capitalize off fabricated drama. Now, this group that Isabella 68 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: is referring to is a private Instagram account that she 69 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: created a few years ago called Sunflower Babies, and it 70 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: is described as a private page where followers can talk 71 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: about mental health, anxiety, and also so health issues. Now 72 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: this private group has grown to seventeen thousand followers and 73 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: Isabelle has been doing these cute picnic meetups with girls 74 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: in the group. She says that these girls are now 75 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: her friend and she refers to them as her Sunflower Babies, 76 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: And subsequently, she has been sharing a lot in this 77 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: private group about her plans of starting her own apparel line, 78 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: and for a number of years, Isabelle has been openly 79 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: sharing the slogan no Rain, no Flowers as well as 80 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: all of the Sunflower motives. 81 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 2: If you're a Sunflower Baby, which is my little private 82 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 2: account that I have on Instagram, you will know how 83 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 2: often I say it to myself. Without bad times or 84 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 2: hard times, there are no good times or you don't 85 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 2: appreciate the good times as much. So that's why Narenda 86 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: Flowers is so prevalent to me, and that's why it 87 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 2: is also our slogan or Sunflower Avenue. 88 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: Now, as you touched on Amy, isabel is claiming that 89 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: Sarah was a member of that account and has copied 90 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: the slogan from her. I really feel for Isabelle because 91 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: she's publicly spoken about what a rough few years she's had. 92 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: She's spent a lot of time in hospital and also 93 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: time recovering at home from ovarian cysts, and also last 94 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: year she had a number of sales removed from her breast, 95 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: and this is why she's created this community because she 96 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: wants to talk about mental health. She also wants to 97 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: talk about young people who are facing health problems like 98 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: she was, and she created Sunflower Avenue because when she 99 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: was sick, she wanted to have leisure wear that made 100 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: her still feel good about herself while she was recovering. 101 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 2: Here's what she said, brand is reflective of my state 102 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: over the last two years when I wanted to feel 103 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 2: really cute and I didn't like the way that I looked, 104 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 2: or I was in pain and I was recovering, and 105 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 2: I wanted to create clothing that makes you feel good. 106 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: When you wear it, you feel put together. 107 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 3: Eg. 108 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 2: Matching sets, but you don't have to dress. You can 109 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: wear them in bed, you can wear them to go 110 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 2: fear little snack runs, or you can wear them recovering 111 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: from surgery like I did for two years now. 112 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: This slogan at the center of the drama is very 113 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: close to Isabel Clark's heart. She has had it tattooed 114 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: on her wrist for a number of years and that's 115 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why it was so important for 116 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: her to have it embroidered onto her apparel. Yeah, she 117 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 1: said that this tattoo was really her saving grace because 118 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: when she was in hospital going through these difficult times, 119 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: she would look at it and it would remind her 120 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: that something positive was coming now. Isabel also went on 121 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: to explain why it's taken her such a long time 122 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: to bring out her brand, and that is because sadly, 123 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: she has lost so many friends during that process, and 124 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: also her brand is a one woman show, so she's 125 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: been having to do all of the logistics herself. I 126 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,239 Speaker 1: think we have this general misconception when we think about 127 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: influencer brands. We think of influencers who are in the 128 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: top echelon, who have these multimillion dollar businesses and they 129 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: have a lot of people working for them. But the 130 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: truth is that the influencer industry is so oversaturated that 131 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: quite often it's these smaller influences, mostly young women, who 132 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: were running these brands on their own, and they really 133 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: are small businesses in themselves. You're right, but they also 134 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: have a lot of advantages to other small business owners 135 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: who don't have a platform like the one they have. 136 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: They don't have these inbuilt audiences they can just automatically 137 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: see exactly. Having that inbuilt audience who you can already 138 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: market and sprint your product to is such an advantage now. 139 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: On Friday, Sarah jumped on her TikTok to provide an 140 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: update on the saga, and I think she was expecting 141 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: a different reaction, so a lot of the comments she 142 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: received were from followers or from the general public. He 143 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: basically said, we don't understand what you're on about. The 144 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: designs look completely different. So she said she ended up 145 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: having to turn comments off on her first video because 146 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: some of the commentary became quite hateful. I don't think 147 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: she anticipated so many people decide with Isabella. I think 148 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,239 Speaker 1: she thought it was going to run with this script 149 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: that we quite often see that this influencer, this large, 150 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: powerful influencer, has copied a small business owner and everyone 151 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: is outraged. Yeah. I mean when I first saw this story, 152 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: I just instantly thought, well, has this slogan been trademarked? 153 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: Because it's a well known saying. It's not as if 154 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: Isabelle or Sarah have created it. And that's the thing. 155 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: This saying is all over Pinterest. It was quite interesting 156 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: reading the TikTok comments because a few people said, I've 157 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: had this saying tattooed on me for eight years, Like, 158 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: this is not a new saying, this is not something, 159 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: this is a catchphrase that is out in the public. 160 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 161 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: Well, Sarah confirmed that she hadn't had this particular catchphrase trademark, 162 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 1: but she did say that she had elements of some 163 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: of her designs trade. It was confusing because she didn't 164 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: specify what elements had been trademarked. It was quite confusing. 165 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: It did seem like it was too expensive for her 166 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: to trademark the slogan and other elements. I mean, it 167 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: is expensive to do that, And I think there's a 168 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: lot of confusion around trademarks at the moment because we 169 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: see so many copycat or dupe brands and sometimes you 170 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: look at them and you go, how was that even legal? 171 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 2: Yeah? 172 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: Well, the thing with slogans is they can be trademarked, 173 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: except they can be rejected if your slogan is too generic. 174 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: So in this case, as we said, this is a 175 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: catchphrase that is well known, so perhaps it got rejected 176 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: or either that she hasn't actually gone in trademark that. 177 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: I'm confused what all the fuss is about because this 178 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: person hasn't trade marked this slogan. It's clearly a slogan 179 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: that isabel Clark and a lot of other people have 180 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: used online. If I was Isabelle, I would be pulling 181 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: out all of the stops to ensure that this was 182 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: being trademarked this week. Look, I don't understand why this 183 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: has been made into such a big deal. It's not 184 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: as if this Melbourne small business owner had trade marked 185 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: this slogan, Isabel Clark hasn't done anything wrong. Yeah, I 186 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: don't think that she really has a leg to stand on, 187 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: particularly because the designs don't even look similar at all. 188 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: If anything, people have come out and said, Sarah, your 189 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: designs are a lot nicer, so I would opt to 190 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: choose yours. But that also opens up a different point 191 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: of conversation because some people are saying that this has 192 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: been a strategy of Sarah's all along, just to get 193 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: traction towards her brand, because we are seeing so many 194 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: TikTokers or small business owners doing this outrage posting so 195 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: they will slam someone or slam something and then suddenly 196 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh my god, what are they going on 197 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: about it? Jumping in the comb like everyone loves a 198 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 1: bit of outrage culture. It's a bit like those tiktoks 199 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: that are like, my mother has spent the last four 200 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 1: hours creating these terrible cups to sell on Etsy, and 201 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: no one's bore anything, and then suddenly people flood the 202 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: store to buy the design. It's like this sympathy act. Yeah, well, 203 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 1: I definitely think it is a strategy that a lot 204 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: of small business owners are doing. And probably as soon 205 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 1: as she saw that Isabel Clark had this slogan, she's like, 206 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: fuck it, this is going to be great for my brand. 207 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 1: What doesn't sit well with me is if Sarah is 208 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: a member of Isabel Clark's private group, it's pretty clear 209 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: maybe she's accidentally picked up the idea from Isabelle or 210 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: maybe I don't know. Like you know, sometimes when you 211 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: think you've had a brilliant idea and then you realize, 212 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: oh wait, I actually saw that online. And that's the thing. 213 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty four, it is very difficult to have 214 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: a unique business onset or a design, and I think 215 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: that it is normal for ideas or designs to overlap, 216 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: and that is why you have to be so careful 217 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: and actually trademark your design. Well, we've learnt that the 218 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: hard way, haven't we. We initially didn't trademark the word 219 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: outspoken because it's so expensive to do. But if you 220 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: are listening, let me tell you it's more expensive to 221 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: fight one of those trademarks and to get a lawyer involved, 222 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: because we ended up spending way more money in securing 223 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: our name it would have if we just trademarked it 224 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: when we started. The thing that makes me sad is 225 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: that there's two brands which champion mental health, which are 226 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: coming up against each other. If anything, they should be 227 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: supporting one another. And I mean, they still have been 228 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: respectful in their approach. It's not like they've been abusing 229 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 1: one another and name calling. But I think by Sarah 230 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: putting this on TikTok and putting a large influencer on blast, 231 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: even if she hasn't named her, it's always going to 232 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: end badly in the comment section. I think this whole 233 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: issue could have been solved by a private DM or 234 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: an email. I actually respect Isabel Clark's decision though, to 235 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: come out and actually set the records straight, because from 236 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: a pr perspective, it's not a good look for her 237 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: to have these kind of TikTok circulating. Especially changed the 238 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: narrative completely because we generally see the narrative that this 239 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: poor small business owner has had their designs stolen from 240 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 1: them by this powerful influencer. And to be honest, when 241 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: I saw this story first pop up and I saw 242 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: Sarah's TikTok, I thought, oh fuck, what's this this? And 243 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: then when I looked into it. I thought. This isn't 244 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: as clear cut as it sounds. There is more to 245 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: this story. 246 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 3: I'm not saying good morning. 247 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 4: I'm so annoyed. 248 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: With a single click, Indy Clinton accidentally removed thirty eight 249 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: thousand followers from her instaut This is the stuff of 250 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: influencer nightmares now. She explained that Instagram alerted her that 251 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: a number of her followers accounts had been flagged, so 252 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: it gave her the option to remove all flagged accounts, 253 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: and she didn't realize how many accounts had been flagged, 254 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 1: so she just went ahead and pressed remove all, which 255 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: instantly wiped thirty eight thousand followers from her account. I 256 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: didn't know about this feature until now. Yeah, I went 257 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: and checked my account to see if I had any 258 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: flagged accounts. So you have to have over one thousand 259 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: followers for this option to be available, and it basically 260 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: lets you know if you have potential spam accounts or 261 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: bots that follow you. So if you click on your 262 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: follower list, there will be a little exclamation mark and 263 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 1: it will say flagged for review. So it will then 264 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: list accounts that they suspect to be bots. But if 265 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: you're like Indy and have hundreds of thousands of followers. 266 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 1: Obviously you're not going to be able to see how 267 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: long this list is. And the reason Indy would have 268 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: been looking into this is because these kind of bot 269 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: accounts can affect you your overall engagement, I mean, and 270 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: that's particularly important for influencers because if you've got a 271 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: brand deal and you've got all of these bots, it 272 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: can potentially impact how many people it reaches, the engagement 273 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: on that post, and it can also stop new followers 274 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: from discovering you. So Instagram's general advice is you should 275 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: remove all of these accounts, so they give you the 276 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: option of either individually going through them all or doing 277 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: a click remove all, which Indi opted for. India doesn't 278 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: seem to be the only influencer who's been stung by this, though, 279 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: because on threads there are dozens of creators who have 280 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: spoken about losing thousands of followers after they also remove 281 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: flagged accounts. So one creator wrote, I alto removed two 282 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: hundred spam accounts and the next day I had forty 283 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: five thousand less followers. Not doing it again, whilst another 284 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: said I went through and selected three to boo removed, 285 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: I lost five hundred followers. This feature is a really 286 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: big problem. I think Indy has come out quickly and 287 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: addressed this because she would not want people thinking that 288 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: she's lost thirty eight thousand followers over the whole dog 289 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: re homing saga that we spoke about last week. I 290 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: went and looked at her Social Blade because I wanted 291 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: to see if the thirty eight thousand was reflected on there. 292 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: Because Social Blade is a great tool where you can 293 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: see how many followers influencers are gaining a day, or 294 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: what their engagement rate is like. And Indy has still 295 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: been gaining followers every day apart from the day where 296 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: her follower account went down by thirty eight thousand. It 297 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: does appear that this new feature just has a major 298 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: glitch because a lot of creators are complaining that the 299 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: flag list mostly contains real people, whereas genuine body accounts 300 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: are being ignored. 301 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 4: Sometimes my outfits are inspired by asking myself the question 302 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 4: what will piss mail fouans off the most? 303 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 3: Today? 304 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: Last night wimbled and crowned a new male champion, But 305 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: all anyone can talk about is US influencer Morgan Riddle 306 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: and her alleged feud with World Number four Alexander Sparev. 307 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: Now this is a juicy one, Amy, can you give 308 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: us a break? Done? First, on who Morgan is. Yeah, so, 309 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: Morgan is huge on TikTok. She's got over five hundred 310 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: thousand followers and her boyfriend is world number twelve Taylor Fritz, 311 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: and Morgan shares a lot of her life on the 312 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: tennis tour online. Also shares a lot about her fashion 313 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: on Instagram, so she is known for wearing a lot 314 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: of tennis core. She's recently been in British Vogue because 315 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: her outfits are that iconic. 316 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 317 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: Well, it surprised me to read that. Apparently she and 318 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: Taylor met on RAYA. Oh, I was wondering how they met. Yeah, 319 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: and they have been dubbed the new posh and becks 320 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: of the sporting world. They also made headlines for appearing 321 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: on the new Netflix series break Points, so they were 322 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: a big feature on that. Now, last week, Morgan's boyfriend 323 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: Taylor Fritz, made it to the quarter finals of Wimbledon 324 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: and he was up against world number four Alexander Zverev. Now, 325 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: during the center court match, Morgan shared an Instagram story 326 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: of Taylor alongside the caption cheer loud late. This seems 327 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: quite innocuous, but it's not so innocuous when you know 328 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: Zverev's backstory. So, just last month, the world number four 329 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: settled a domestic abuse case out of court with his 330 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: former partner, and prosecutors alleged he pushed his former partner 331 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: against a wall and choked her during an argument. Now 332 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: Zverev denied the allegations. However, he agreed to pay fines 333 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: of around one hundred and sixty two thousand dollars to 334 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: the state and around fifty four thousand dollars to charity. 335 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: Now Morgan's boyfriend ended up coming from two sets to 336 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 1: love doown to win the quarter final match, and when 337 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: it came time to shake hands, Zveres gave Fritz a 338 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: lengthy ear bashing, which led to many post match questions. 339 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: Now Zverev told the assembled media that his issue wasn't 340 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: with Fritz or his two coaches. It was with Fritz's 341 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: support group aka Morgan. He said, they are not maybe 342 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: from the tennis world, They are not maybe used to 343 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: watching every single match. They were a bit over the top. 344 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 1: Now Zverev didn't actually mention Morgan's Instagram post of the 345 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: press Instead, it appears he's trying to claim that he 346 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: was offended by Morgan's cheering in the crowd. So Zverev 347 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: came out later and said that he had injured his 348 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: knee during the game and he thought it was a 349 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: bit off how everyone was cheering so much for Fritz 350 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 1: when it was clear that the outcome of the match 351 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: had a lot to do with his injured knee and 352 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: not actually the fact that he was playing badly. Now, 353 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: Morgan has become almost a feminist icon in this moment, 354 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: because following the press conference, she appeared to stoke the 355 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: fire by sharing another Instagram story, this time of her 356 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: holding a drink with the caption when your man wins 357 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: for the girls. I don't think I could love her 358 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: anymore because I became obsessed with Morgan during the Australian 359 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: Open and I've been following her ever since, and she 360 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: is just such a legend. It's quite funny because she 361 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: in Vogue, she recently spoke about how she doesn't mind 362 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 1: the term wag. She's almost reclaimed away. She's also known 363 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,719 Speaker 1: as the Barbie Doll of the tour, and she just 364 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: sort of says owns it and says, I don't mind 365 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: being called tho. Well, yeah, that's what I feel like 366 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: I am. There was a recent TikTok she did was 367 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: she said she was wearing a Barbiecore inspired outfit just 368 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: to piss the tennis fans off, like the male tennis fans, 369 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: and it did piss them off. In fact, now a 370 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: lot of people were like you, Sophie, they were celebrating 371 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: Morgan's posts. However, Morgan has since come out and blamed 372 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: the media for overblowing her social media posts. So she said, 373 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: regarding my stories yesterday, I took them down as soon 374 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: as I realized the misunderstanding and how blown out of 375 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: proportion they had become by the media. They were not 376 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: about anything that's happened off the tennis court, and there's 377 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 1: no bad blood between anyone. Super proud of Tea for 378 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 1: the match yesterday, thank you to the crowd for the support, 379 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: and looking forward to tomorrow. What do you think about 380 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: the backflip? I love a bit of wind Wooden drama. 381 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: I do think she's been forced to come out and 382 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: water down these comments by her boyfriend's team because these 383 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 1: comments were directed at Swerev. But it's not a good 384 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 1: look when you're on the tour as a player to 385 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 1: have your girlfriend causing beef in the media. And I 386 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: think the fact that Taylor Fritz was then going on 387 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: to play in the semifinals, they didn't want this story 388 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: to continue and they didn't want it to overshadow this 389 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: semi finals appearance. I mean, he lost in the semifinal match. 390 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: If he had won, he would have gone on to 391 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: play against Novak Djokovic in the final. It would have 392 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: been absolutely huge for his career. I want to if 393 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: have caused any tension between Morgan and Taylor as well. 394 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: I also think that maybe there was a legal threat 395 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: from Zverev's team. I don't think so. I think that 396 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: tennis is such a gentleman's sport and I think it's 397 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: not a good look if you're on the tour to 398 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: be making enemies of other players. And I mean Zverev 399 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: pointed out, He's like, I don't have a problem with 400 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: Taylor Fritz, but he pointed out his issue was clearly 401 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: with Morgan. Do you think it also comes down to 402 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: the tennis players not lacking the fact that a player's 403 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 1: wife or girlfriend is taking attention away from them, and 404 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: attention away from the sport. Well possibly, I mean he 405 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: might actually be concerned about the power that she holds 406 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: within the social media world. I mean, he's well number four, 407 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: he should be better known than her. But the reality 408 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: is that there probably were more people queuing up to 409 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: get a photo with Morgan Riddle than him. 410 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 5: Mars and Pluto clash in the sky today in Taurus 411 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 5: and Aquarius, and this is I'm not gonna lie a 412 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 5: tough transit, which is why I've been advising many of 413 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 5: you in your weekly horoscopes to try and avoid potential 414 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 5: blowups and not get caught in the fray. 415 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 1: Channel seven has come under fire after revealing it will 416 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: add an astrology segment to its nightly news service. Celebrity 417 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: astrologer Natasha Weber, better known as Astrotash, will front the 418 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: twenty second report, which will air after the web. This 419 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: is an utterly bizarre decision, and I want to point 420 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: out it comes off the back of mass job cuts 421 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: at Channel seven, and that is due to the failed 422 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: Meta deal, which we spoke about in an episode a 423 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. There are reports the seven staff 424 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: members are not happy about this move because it really 425 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: does call into question the credibility of their news service 426 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 1: and it makes them look like a laughing stock. Yeah, 427 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: and I'm not surprised by the reaction from staff because 428 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: when you look at the feedback that's currently out there, 429 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: it's not good. So three aw's Tom Elliott described the 430 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: segment as a load of rubbish and said astrology in 431 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 1: the news, it's not science, it's not fact, while journalist 432 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: Tracy Spice has said that she assumed it was a joke, 433 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: and public health professor Simon Chapman suggested perhaps seven could 434 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: run a leprocorn citing segment. Next, My favorite response was 435 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: from recently sacked Brisbane news reader Sharon Goodella. So she 436 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: took a swipe at the news segment and that was 437 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: when she was addressing her recent exit. So she was 438 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: fired after seventeen years at the network, and she wrote 439 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,719 Speaker 1: on Facebook it it wasn't quite how I expected to 440 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: end at Channel seven. Here's hoping my horoscope for tomorrow 441 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: will be for brighter times ahead. What a bird? Do 442 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: you think there is place for horoscopes and news bulletins? No, 443 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: I think this is a complete joke. And when I 444 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: read it, I thought that this must be a rumor 445 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: because it just seems absolutely absurd. Horoscopes are not based 446 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: on scientific fact. It confuses things, so people are going 447 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: to be saying, well, is this news credible? Is this fact? Yeah? 448 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: It really cheapens the brand and I think it's clear 449 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: that it's a desperate attempt from seven to attract a 450 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: younger audience. So it's new head of News and Current 451 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: Affairs told media outlets the network is exploring new ideas 452 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: and concepts to bring in new audiences so that we 453 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: can showcase them this journalism. I'm sorry, but this is 454 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: not the way to get people watching every the news. 455 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: Everyone's going to be switching over to the ABC because 456 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I get that this is a commercial net 457 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: work and at the end of the day, they have 458 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 1: to sell advertising, they have to get eyeballs. But I 459 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 1: don't think that this is the way to do it. 460 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: I think this is going to upset a lot of 461 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: their loyal viewers. Or what's more disturbing is the new 462 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: head of News and Current Affairs has also claimed that 463 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: they're just getting started. I mean, I'm a bit concerned 464 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: what is next, because there are reports from The Australian 465 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: that seven is set to launch a weekly comedy skit 466 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 1: hosted by comedian Mark Humphreys, and apparently this is going 467 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: to run for three minutes on Fridays. What the hell 468 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 1: is this? Because they are getting rid of all of 469 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: their journalists that they don't have enough people to cover story, 470 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: so they're thinking, fuck, we need to fit something into 471 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: this new hour bulletin. No. I think probably what it 472 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: is is they've had a brainstorming meeting and it's involved 473 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: ten men all over fifty, and they've thought, how can 474 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: we get a younger audience comedy videos that's funny? I 475 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: mean next they're going to probably suggest doing some lame 476 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: top viral videos of the day. Is this because they've 477 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 1: been instructed to think about TikTok and not rating, so 478 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: they thinking that this clip of their horoscopes is going 479 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: to perform really well on TikTok. Their comedy skits are 480 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: going to perform really well on TikTok. It's going to 481 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 1: get more people following. I actually think that might be 482 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:11,239 Speaker 1: why they're doing it. 483 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 2: Well. 484 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: I think they're just trying to get millennial and gen 485 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: Z viewers and they think that oh, this is the 486 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: kind of shit that they're interested in. But everyone is 487 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: tuning into free to air TV, so they are expecting 488 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: millennials and Gen zetters to see this on TikTok. I 489 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,239 Speaker 1: don't understand why don't they get a focus group of 490 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: millennials and Gen zetas together and actually ask them what 491 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: they care about, because I actually think this group of 492 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: people they want to know what's happening. They're very socially conscious, 493 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: and I think what the issue has been is that 494 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: in the past, and I know this from experience having 495 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: worked there, there was a big focus on crime stories 496 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: because they rated, and I think the view was that 497 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: if people are living in fear, they're going to tune 498 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 1: into the nightly news. However, in twenty twenty four, people 499 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 1: are sick of seeing negative stories, and I don't think 500 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: the answer is bringing in lame news segment. I think 501 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: that they want to bring more light and shade to 502 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: the news service, So maybe bring in some more upbeat 503 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: stories that people aren't so depressed to watch. While they're 504 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: starting to do that, I know on Channel seven in 505 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: Adelaide before the weather called the Little Ray of Sunshine, 506 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: and that focuses on positive news. It's a really big 507 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 1: one for our clients because sometimes it's the only way 508 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 1: you can get a really positive story out there about 509 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: a lifestyle brand. And maybe they've had a really great 510 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: reaction to that segment and are thinking, what are more 511 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: ways that we can implement positive or fun news into 512 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: the bulletin. Yeah, but I think what's going to happen 513 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: is by implementing the suggested segment, it's actually going to 514 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: cut off a lot of their viewers, like their older 515 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: viewers who aren't They don't care about that shit that 516 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 1: all the older viewers are dying out. They're saying, fuck you, 517 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, but these guys want anymore. The issue 518 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: is I don't think they're actually going to attract any 519 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: new younger viewers either with this content. 520 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 2: Yea. 521 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: The more I think about this, maybe it is a 522 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: stroke of genius from Channel seven because this content is 523 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: going to perform very well on TikTok. There are going 524 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: to be a lot of send ons because we know 525 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: that young people obsessed with horoscopes, They're going to be 526 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: tagging their friends. Also, this comedy segment has the potential 527 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 1: of being very cringe and very good for viral views 528 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: on TikTok. Well, the interesting thing about Astrotash is she 529 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 1: already appears on seven's The Morning Show and has her 530 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: own horoscope segment, so kind of seems like they're just 531 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: trying to recycle that. I wonder if it has a 532 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: bit to do with her appearance. She's a very attractive woman. 533 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: I also think it would come down to that segment 534 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: being quite a popular one for them, so they want 535 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: to trial it in the six pm edition. I am 536 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 1: foreseeing not the greatest times ahead for Channel seven. If 537 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: I'm looking at my horoscope. I don't have any actual 538 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: experience or knowledge in this, but bad time seemed to 539 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: be ahead for the Mars is in retrograde. Maybe my breast. 540 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 4: Implants removed yesterday at Saint Vincent's private hospital. 541 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: Former Married at First Sight contestant Martha Califatitis has opened 542 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: up about her recent breast explant surgery. The thirty six 543 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: years or old shared a lengthy video to TikTok explaining 544 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 1: her decision to have them removed. 545 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 4: I must have wanted to have my implants removed for 546 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 4: like a few years now. I just probably around three 547 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 4: years ago, just before I got pregnant, I had this 548 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 4: feeling that I just wanted them out. I've had them 549 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 4: for about fifteen years, and I've never ever been able 550 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 4: to like feel them. They've always just felt so natural. 551 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 4: But around three years ago I started to. 552 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: Like feel them for some reason. They just I was 553 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: just aware of them. 554 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 4: I just became so aware of them, like inside me. 555 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: Martha couldn't initially go ahead with that surgery because she 556 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: unexpectedly fell pregnant with her and Michael's first son, Lucius 557 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, But now that he's a year 558 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: and a half and Martha has stopped breastfeeding, she thought 559 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: this year might be the right time to do it. 560 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: Her only hesitation was that she was worried it might 561 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: interfere with her plans to have another baby, and she 562 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: wanted to know how quickly she could safely full pregnant 563 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: following the procedure. Her surgeon did put her at ease, 564 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: saying she can try and conceive two months after surgery. 565 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: He did warn her, though, that with pregnancy, her breasts 566 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: will change. Here's what she said. 567 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 4: They're gonna like stretch out and then they could start 568 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 4: to like sag again. 569 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: But honestly, this stage. 570 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 4: In my life, I really don't give a fuck about 571 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 4: having the perkiest. 572 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 3: Boobs in town. 573 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? Like, I'm thirty six, 574 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: I don't care. That is a really good attitude for 575 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: Martha to have. I have really been enjoying her TikTok 576 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: content recently, so she's been sharing content about her living 577 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: back at home with her parents. So her and Michael 578 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: moved in around two years ago, and that was because 579 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: they had a few issues with their house. It's also 580 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: because Martha had HG during her pregnancy, so she was 581 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: bedbound for most of her pregnancy. It was a really 582 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: tough one, so she needed to be surrounded by her family, 583 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: and a lot of her content features her mum Mary, 584 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: and she is hilarious, and recently she's been reminding Martha 585 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: that maybe they should move out of the house because 586 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: she's been having to do all the cooking, all of 587 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: the cleaning. I think they're worried about their TikTok content 588 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: if they do move away from Mary though, because even 589 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: with Michael, he is constantly doing brand deals around having 590 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: this mother in law who's always around, and a lot 591 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: of his comedic video center on her as well. Martha 592 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: recently told him Mum, She's like, I have no plans 593 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: of moving out, Like I've got it too good in 594 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: this way? Would she looks great? You've got babysitters all 595 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: the time, You've got home cooked meals. Now back to 596 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: Martha's ex plant. So she created a TikTok video following 597 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: her surgery, and she said she was surprised at how 598 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: good she was feeling. She could lift her hands above 599 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: her head and she was in no pain. She also 600 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: gave her followers a close up look of her new shape, 601 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: so she removed her pajama top to show her compression. 602 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: Bra Here's what she said, I feel really flat shame. 603 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 4: So you kind of really tell because I've got these 604 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 4: two and this is a lot. 605 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 2: Of swallowing up here. 606 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: But if you look at me. 607 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 4: On the side, you can tell that I definitely have 608 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 4: a lot smaller us. 609 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: Also, how long it's made my torso. 610 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 2: Look so long. 611 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: Her fiance Michael, wasn't thrilled about this surgery. He created 612 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: a comedic video for TikTok and he showed Martha in 613 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: her surgical gown about to be wheeled in, and he 614 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: wrote saying goodbye to my two best friends today, and 615 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: in the background, the Titanics My Heart Will Go On 616 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: was playing. That would piss me off if I saw that, 617 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: I just I know it's a joke, but I don't know, Well, 618 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: he was me, you don't know how much of it 619 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: is a joke. Yeah, it's it kind of to me 620 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: is in poor taste. A lot of people did find 621 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: it quite funny. It created a lot of engagement. There 622 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: were also a lot of questions around whether this surgery 623 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: was sponsored. Martha confirmed that she wasn't affiliated with the surgeon, 624 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: and she paid fifteen thousand dollars for the procedure. Fifteen thousand. 625 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people when they go in 626 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: to have their breast done, they don't consider the additional 627 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: cost because every ten years or fifteen years, you're meant 628 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: to go and get them replaced. And I didn't even 629 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: realize that if you wanted them removed, it would cost 630 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: an additional fifteen thousand dollars. I think it was particularly 631 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: expensive because she went with a breast specialist instead of 632 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: a cosmetic surgeon, and it was someone who had done 633 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: all of her friend's breast implants back in the day, 634 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: which made me laugh because it kind of sounds like 635 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: in your twenties, you're getting the put in in your 636 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: mid thirties, you're getting them removed. Well, it's becoming such 637 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: a popular surgery. Especially in twenty twenty four, we've seen 638 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: a huge increase in women having their implants removed, and 639 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: a lot of it's to do with some women who've 640 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: had breast implants that have ruptured. In the case of Martha, 641 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: hers didn't rupture, but she said she just felt suddenly uncomfortable. 642 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: A lot of women are also getting them removed because 643 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: they're experiencing very debilitating symptoms which are related to breast 644 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: implant illness. So some of the symptoms can include chronic 645 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: debilitating anxiety, suicidal thoughts, brain fog, joint pain, fatigue, rashes, 646 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: and hair loss. Now, there is also a condition known 647 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: as SSBI, so that is symptomatic symptoms associated with breast implants, 648 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: but that is not medically recognized yet. But currently Australia 649 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: is conducting its first study into breast implant illness and 650 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: the early finding show that seventy to eighty percent of 651 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: symptoms lesson all disappear entirely after implants are removed. Wow, 652 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: I think we're just going to see more and more 653 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: people getting their breast implants removed, especially if you look 654 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: at the celebrity well, because Tory Spelling, Black, China, and 655 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: Chrissy Teagan all had their implants removed, we're obviously seeing 656 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: influencers like Martha talking about her experience. And I think 657 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: it's also because women are becoming more aware of the 658 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: risks associated with breast implants and they're able to share 659 00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: their real life experiences online. I mean, looking at martha 660 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: comment section, it was full of women saying that they're 661 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: also getting the implants removed and talking about all of 662 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: the really severe symptoms that they've experienced since having them 663 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: in I think it is so fantastic to see Martha 664 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: using her platform to urge women to think carefully before 665 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: getting surgery, because she finished her video by saying she 666 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: wishes she never went under the knife, and she heavily 667 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: regrets it, and she wants young women to think very 668 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: very carefully about it. Now. 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