1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: Well, obviously we've spoken about the changes that the government 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: announced yesterday. Some of those are going to be pretty 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: major in terms of what it will mean to bottle 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: shops and exactly how it's going to work. There's still 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: a lot of questions around that. Now, joining me on 6 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: the show with a little bit further detail about that 7 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: announcement yesterday is Alex Bruce, who is the CEO of 8 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: Hospitality here in the Northern Territory. Good morning, Alex, Good 9 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: morning Katie. 10 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 2: Alex. 11 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: Obviously, changes announced yesterday by the Northern Territory government. A 12 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: number of those are in relation to various things when 13 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 1: it comes to security for bottle shops. Can you talk 14 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: us through exactly what those changes are. 15 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 2: Yees, so definitely need to acknowledge that there are a 16 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 2: lot in our industry that want to see a lot 17 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: more action than what got released yesterday, and we're particularly 18 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: keen to see, you know, real change in that space 19 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 2: and the feedback I've been getting since yesterday, particularly it's 20 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 2: edged weapons, but cars used as weapons for all of 21 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: those smashed into the bottle shop events that have been happening, 22 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 2: it's the rocks, the rocks in the hands of an 23 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 2: adolescent or an adult can be as dangerous as they 24 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 2: needed weapon and you know there was unfortunately that tragedy 25 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: with the chap in Central Australia going blind in one 26 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: of his eyes. So we are very keen to see 27 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 2: action in all of that space. And it is disappointing 28 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 2: when we know the concerned sector of silence of two 29 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: and a half days and now they're crawling out from 30 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 2: whatever rocks they were hiding under and they're trying to 31 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: run down change in the vail space. Again. We either 32 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: need to come together as a community and get real 33 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 2: action or this will go the same way that this 34 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: treadmill has been running for many, many years. 35 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: And that is people are feeling I think in the 36 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: community right now, Alex. Is that you know, we've like 37 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: I'd heard a little bit earlier this morning on the 38 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: news on the ABC, you know, a situation where they 39 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: have got the Australian Lawyers Alliance saying that the government 40 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: should avoid knee jerk reactions and bail restrictions may not 41 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: necessarily work. But the fact is here what's happening doesn't 42 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: seem to be working. 43 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 2: That's it. And you know this wasn't an isolated incident. 44 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: This has been that deterioration of standard of behavior in 45 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: and around the community before you're taken out of circulation 46 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 2: from that community. So you know, still that is very 47 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 2: clearly the message I'm hearing from our industry when it 48 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: comes to some of the things in our space that 49 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 2: they did announced yesterday. Ye look, there is quite a 50 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: bit of early positivity. People want to know how they 51 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: can get the verbal de escalation training rolled out for 52 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: their their key staff. They wanting to know how the 53 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: support from the government will look both in terms of 54 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: extra crowd controllers that have already started being engaged in 55 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 2: those bottle shops from Monday just past, and also what 56 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 2: does the infrastructure look like in our bottle shops going forward, 57 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: you know and locked cabinets and that kind of thing. 58 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: What have you been told by the government. When are 59 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: businesses expecting to get this level of detail, Because I 60 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: mean they came out yesterday, presumably they would have already 61 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: had the wheels in motion. 62 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 2: So we've been engaging with the department yesterday and this 63 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: morning we are fielding queries from our industry. Unfortunately, you know, 64 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: they're in a rock and a hard place where they 65 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: announce an initiative of policy via press release and now 66 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 2: the department's madly trying to put meat on the bones, 67 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: so I know they're working hard. We just asked for 68 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: people to bear with us. As soon as we know, 69 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: Morena will absolutely hit the go button and get that 70 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 2: heart far and wide. We are quite keen for the 71 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: resolution on what the government support looks like for those 72 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: additional crowd control and guards because as industry, this is 73 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 2: one of the very quick, most easy things for us 74 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 2: to bring forward, a visible change, and you're already seeing 75 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 2: that happens across our network already. You know, bail law 76 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 2: changes and others obviously aren't going to be as quick. 77 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's exactly right. They're not going to be 78 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: by the sounds of it. And also it's a review 79 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: to begin with, so it is going to take quite 80 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: some time. And that was the point the opposition leader 81 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: was on the show making just a short while ago. 82 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: She's got her own proposal, which we'll let our listeners 83 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: know a bit more about through the morning. But Alex 84 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory government, you know, saying that they are 85 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 1: going to fit the bill obviously for those security for 86 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: the security on bottle shops, so has there been any 87 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: real detail exactly how that's going to work, how much 88 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: money there is going to be provided, so we get 89 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: a better idea of whether it's every single sort of 90 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: bottle shop or whether it is just a select few 91 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: based on who gets in quick enough, what's the go No, 92 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: we haven't. 93 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 2: Got any of that detail. So obviously we appreciate that, 94 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 2: you know, the cart was put before the horse a 95 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 2: little bit. But because they wanted action in this space 96 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 2: and we were getting calls from within our industry to 97 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 2: see support for more crowd controllers, verbal de escalation the 98 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 2: cats it can spray for our for our crowd controllers. 99 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: So you know, credit that the government has looked at 100 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 2: what they can announce and push out quickly and we've 101 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 2: just got to work together to get all the detail 102 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 2: out there and implement it as quickly as possible. 103 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: So by the sounds of things, you know, having to 104 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: undergo that de escalation training and there refresher courses in 105 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: responsible service of alcohol, it is something that the industry 106 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: has been calling for. 107 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: A look, we've had previous support for particularly I think 108 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: our our guards, our bounces on a nightclub to do 109 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 2: verbal de escalation training. You know, any tools that you 110 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: can provide, particularly to that kind of cohort in our 111 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 2: industry that assists them stay out of violent situations. Obviously 112 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 2: we should be doing that almost ongoing. And if government 113 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: can help support some of the smaller businesses in our sector, 114 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: and if this is going to be a wider conversation, 115 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 2: then you know, bounces out the front of late night 116 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 2: venues and it's now unfortunately the little grocery store that's 117 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 2: dealing with really violent behavior for both adults and kids. Yeah, 118 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 2: we're keen to see that cracking. There are some good 119 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 2: local trainers out there, so I know they've been dealing 120 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 2: directly with the government already. The Capsican training is another 121 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: one that we're looking forward to getting more detail on 122 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 2: how that will be shaped. 123 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: But it's I guess, you know the situation is right 124 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: now is by the sounds of it, there is quite 125 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: a bit of detail still to come. So it's you know, 126 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: we don't know exactly when that training is going to 127 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: kick off. 128 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 2: Look, that's it. And a comment I got from one 129 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 2: in my industry yesterday was here we are putting more 130 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 2: bricks on the wall without ever dealing with the issue 131 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: that keeps smashing through so we do want to see 132 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: real changed policing in terms of how long they take 133 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: to attend our premises when we call them. We want 134 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 2: to see them a lot more visible out on the street. 135 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 2: We know that they're looking on how to do that. 136 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 2: And the thin blue line is stretched incredibly thin. And 137 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 2: I'll leave it to people that know that space a 138 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: hell of a lot more. But you know, this bale stuff, 139 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 2: we can't just let it fall on the back burner. 140 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 2: And you know what Katie like, we don't want a 141 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: teen a idea to so salute solve it or a 142 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 2: team b's one teammation match team B. I just let's 143 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 2: get together for us. We're hearing its edged weapons. It's 144 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 2: the rock throwing, and it's the cars, the ram raiding. 145 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 2: Let's really be fit up. We want the failure to 146 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 2: quit when we've kicked you out of our venue and 147 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 2: you're trying to get back in. It used to be 148 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 2: four penalty units under the previous government. These guys made 149 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 2: it one penelid units. So the difference is about six 150 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty bucks has become one hundred and sixty dollars. 151 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 2: In Queen Clan, the equivalent fifteen hundred dollars fine, And 152 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 2: this might be more about anti social behavior in our 153 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 2: on premise activities versus the bottle shops. I'm sure. But 154 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 2: you know, if you've got to make there, it's being 155 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 2: a turkey and you can collar him and drag him 156 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 2: home and save him a sixteen hundred dollars headache. That's 157 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 2: just something that should be happening. We don't need any 158 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 2: of these social justice warriors to oppose any of this 159 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 2: stuff anymore. They've been driving the bus for two decades. 160 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 2: And this is where we're at. Alex have had. 161 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: We've seen a situation over the last twenty four hours 162 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: or so where the Lord mayor Combat Scarlets is calling 163 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: for the money raised by minimum floor price taxes to 164 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: be used to fund police auxiliary liquor inspectors outside top 165 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: end bottle shops. What do you make of that comment? 166 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: Completely misleading, con pretends to be misinformed. We requested a 167 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 2: briefing and he's unavailable for us till Monday. While he's 168 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 2: out there throwing his ill informed two cents worth in 169 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 2: in an average bottle shop that might have four different 170 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 2: four hundred different products, minimum flow is a handful to 171 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 2: about twelve products. Our bottleshop prices and our on premise 172 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 2: prices go up every six months because a federal government tax. 173 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 2: So you know, even to our local federal member that 174 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 2: weighed in, if there are rivers of gold that are 175 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 2: flowing through into the local industry, it's ending up in 176 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 2: federal government coffers and ultimately back into the hands of 177 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 2: MTG public servants and NGOs. 178 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: Go out there and do your job, please, So you're 179 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: saying that, you know that they're being a bit sort 180 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: of cute here by saying that we'd be able to 181 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: use that money for. 182 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 2: Police absolutely, And you know, it wasn't that long ago 183 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 2: we were talking about how the council should have a 184 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 2: mature approach to its bylaws and this is just his 185 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 2: you know, misinformation that you like to do from time 186 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 2: to time and again, teammate Team bad Home and counsel, 187 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 2: we just want to get together and have a mature conversation. 188 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 2: We will do our part. We're trying to do our 189 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 2: part of the industry. But let's just all put down 190 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 2: the game playing for a while please before I let 191 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 2: you go. 192 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: You know, we know that part of this announcement as well, 193 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: yesterday is more more businesses being able to access more 194 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: funding to secure their buildings, to safeguard alcohol stock from 195 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: theft and damage. What kind of safeguards are we talking here, 196 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: because we've already got a situation where we've spoken to, 197 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: you know, to one of the bottolos in Catherine. They've 198 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 1: obviously got these massive concrete ballards they're putting out. You know, 199 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: we spoke to Tony out there at the Neudamar. He's 200 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 1: got his own initiative where he's stopping people from ram 201 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 1: rating the place. What exactly are we talking about here? 202 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 1: And just how sort of kitted up do some of 203 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: these bottle shops need to become well? 204 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,719 Speaker 2: And so through government they have been supporting through the 205 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 2: biz Secure and then the Alcohol Secure, the hardening of 206 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 2: businesses right across the spectrum, but then specific focus on 207 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 2: alcohol businesses that we're just getting broken into more and 208 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 2: more and more after hours for alcohol best. And now 209 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:42,719 Speaker 2: what we're saying is okay, if for whatever reasons, we're 210 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 2: not going to address the lowering of the standard of 211 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 2: behavior on the streetscape, we need to take actions as 212 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 2: an industry to protect our staff and our customers. That 213 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 2: we'll see more locked cabinets more staff potentially picking the 214 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 2: product for you, more closed off cool room rooms, those 215 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 2: kinds of things, protected barriers for staff. You know, unfortunately 216 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 2: in our Springs is not in any way, shape or 217 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 2: form new for them, and some of the clubs down 218 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:15,839 Speaker 2: there were almost implementing panic rooms to protect their staff 219 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 2: from violent incidents that are occurring. So this is where 220 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: we're going, and if the governments can support those those 221 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 2: smaller ones, given that it's not just us, it's the 222 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 2: little grocery stores, it's the retailers they don't even sell alcohol. 223 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 2: It's the cafes, they don't even sell alcohol. There won't 224 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 2: be a cookie cutter approach that we're just going to 225 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 2: have to go through business by the business, obviously, with 226 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 2: a particular focus on the takeaway alcohol outlets first of 227 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 2: the priority, and see how we can put physical changes 228 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 2: into those businesses to protect their staff and their customers. Well, 229 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 2: and you know where they's got on Monday. We'll go 230 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 2: along that path, Katie. But isn't that an indictment that 231 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 2: were that we've defeated on the streets. 232 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: Well, Alex Bruce, I appreciate your time. I know it's 233 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: been a really tough week for the industry and continues 234 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: to be. You know, I think you and I both 235 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 1: agree nowhere near as tough as what it's been for 236 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: the family of young Declan. But mate, I know it's 237 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: been a tough week, so I appreciate you coming on 238 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: the show again this morning. 239 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, John, Okay, there's a lot of people 240 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 2: in our industry herding as in the broader community, but 241 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: yet not all focus on Declan any team. 242 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks mate, I appreciate your time this morning.