WEBVTT - Can We Exclude Ourselves From Fashion? 👜👗

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<v Speaker 1>Always Sunny, Always Sunny. A flexin Frooms live show recording

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<v Speaker 2>It is Flex and Rooms the podcast. Let's not what's

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<v Speaker 2>the word I'm looking for mince words.

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<v Speaker 1>I just knew.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally, we've been so good at that. Flex and Rooms

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<v Speaker 2>have an issue with going on tangents, So let's keep

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<v Speaker 2>it tight and move straight into the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Flex and Frooms they're the best.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you cad?

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<v Speaker 1>FLEXI I saw that Ireland Baldwin.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know who she is? One more time?

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<v Speaker 1>Ireland Baldwin? Okay, yep, anybody else know Ireland Baldwin.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, Alec Baldwin, Hailey's sister, oh Halee Beaber, Hailey Beaber's cousin.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Ireland Bourwen. I think she was the one that

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<v Speaker 1>Alec Baldwin like left to really mean yeah a voicemail

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<v Speaker 1>thank you on the front, and I was like, what

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<v Speaker 1>is I think we heard that? Should we get into it? No,

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<v Speaker 1>we won't get into that, okay classic.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Ireland recently had a baby, which freaks me out, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I have this thought the other day thinking if someone's

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<v Speaker 1>my agent gets pregnant twenty four that they're like a

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<v Speaker 1>teen mum, but we're fully adults, Like if we're have

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<v Speaker 1>a baby right now, it's like not an issue anyway, would.

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<v Speaker 2>Be good for branding.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so the mummy bloger pipeline so Ireland Baldwin has

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<v Speaker 1>had a baby and she's named it Holland. Initial thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>pad up. If you think that's a good name?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well you don't, okay. Can we be a bit

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<v Speaker 2>more specific with if you think it's a good name? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>So I was thinking do you think that's a good name?

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<v Speaker 1>My query is do you think it's okay to call

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<v Speaker 1>your child a name of like a country that you

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<v Speaker 1>have no ties to? Ireland Baldwin. I'm gonna assume they're

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<v Speaker 1>from that region of the world maybe, or maybe they're not.

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<v Speaker 1>And then she's clearly not from Holland, is what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Clearly because you just found it. You were Scottish, true, true,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're doing strect impersonations long before, long before.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think it's weird? Like if you had a baby,

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<v Speaker 1>would you name it something that doesn't relate to you

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<v Speaker 1>all the country you're from?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean to be fair, I know, like people named Asia,

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<v Speaker 2>people named India. I know a people named Paris who

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<v Speaker 2>were not Parisian. I don't think I've really thought much

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<v Speaker 2>of it. I feel as though whether it is offensive

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<v Speaker 2>or inoffensive, the damage is done regardless. I just feel

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<v Speaker 2>like you're gonna it's hard enough having a name that

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<v Speaker 2>is not the norm from where you're from, but a

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<v Speaker 2>name that is so common their whole life, they're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be battling. Oh, so are you from Holland? Oh do

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<v Speaker 2>you have any family there? It's gonna be frustrating. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't feel strongly about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Do youse? It's rubbed you some kind of way round

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<v Speaker 1>that's just interested me. Holland. Hmmm, Holland. I like it,

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<v Speaker 1>Holland Holly. I guess you could shortened the Holly. So

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<v Speaker 1>if like it comes around that naming your kid Holland

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<v Speaker 1>is like a not okay thing to do, you just

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<v Speaker 1>call it Holly. Easy way out. Well, that's on that

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<v Speaker 1>controversial bab Holland. It's robbing you.

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<v Speaker 2>See, this is Fruby has a very particular face and

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<v Speaker 2>it's her bite, her tongue face where I'm like, just

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<v Speaker 2>say it, babe, because it's bubbling right here, and I

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<v Speaker 2>know you want to get it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I interject and say that if you met somebody

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<v Speaker 1>from Sydney.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I love that you probably really This is why

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to bring this up, because I want to

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<v Speaker 2>name my kids Sydney with it with I. Oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So you were frowning at Ireland here like, oh, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna name my kid Sidney.

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<v Speaker 1>It's weird.

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<v Speaker 2>It's weird.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew that i'd put this in my notes. For

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<v Speaker 1>some reason.

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<v Speaker 2>There was thank you, Marty, Thanks Marty.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna call my kids Sydney. But I think I'm

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to because I spent a lot of my former

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<v Speaker 1>formery years in Sydney.

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<v Speaker 2>See, but up until this point, you're rep in Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm from Melbourne, guys. What do you call it?

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<v Speaker 4>Docklands fits right, flicks and it's Valentine's So if you're

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<v Speaker 4>in the car and you forgot that's Valentine's Day and

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<v Speaker 4>you have a partner hot foot to.

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<v Speaker 1>Your local calls, get a roach chin Bred, some of

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<v Speaker 1>that some of that good quality mayonnaise, which do you

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<v Speaker 1>know they're discontinuing Herman's. I was gonna literally say, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's Hellman's.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, sorry, babe.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you again. See this audience back up, FLEXI,

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<v Speaker 1>what are your initial thoughts? I say, Valentine's Day. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>to a word association. What's the first word you think of?

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<v Speaker 2>Romance?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? I was picturing you're gonna say consumerism?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But babes, like, even if I said that, what

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<v Speaker 2>is my name?

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<v Speaker 1>Flex Mammy?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Hair maiden of capitalism, hairmad of consumerism? Like I

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<v Speaker 2>am the ultimate consumer and the ultimate capitalist. So like,

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<v Speaker 2>when I hear these things, I'm like, what a fun

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<v Speaker 2>way to participate. That being said, though, I will say,

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<v Speaker 2>like I love the critical conversation around all of these

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<v Speaker 2>like consumer centric holidays. I think it's really important to

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<v Speaker 2>understand how you feel about the things where you position

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<v Speaker 2>yourself on these things, because there's a lot of conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of chit chat, and before you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>find yourself really emotionally influenced by thinks you just fundamentally

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<v Speaker 2>you don't care about. Like I'm so sure half people

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<v Speaker 2>in this room don't have any thoughts on Valentine's Day.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like whatever, like you're down, you're not down, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>And then the other half might feel like I have

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<v Speaker 2>strong thoughts. So I think it's important to have strong thoughts. Realistically,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's chill.

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<v Speaker 5>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Valentine's Day and other consumeris con consumer lead.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that what you call it? Consumerius?

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<v Speaker 2>Lead?

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<v Speaker 1>Holidays are actually the best because they're non denominational. Ok

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<v Speaker 1>you can get involved. Okay, that is how the world

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<v Speaker 1>heals Valentine's Day? What else is there? See? Offs off?

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas? No Christmas, Halloween, no Halloween's witchy pagan's it's your yair. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>your people, my people, but also Jesus and my people

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<v Speaker 2>gon't get it. Do you think Valentine's Day is good?

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<v Speaker 2>Paddles up?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, slowly.

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<v Speaker 2>The next quick question, do you expect to be a

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<v Speaker 2>participant in Valentine's Day? Are you expecting a gift or something?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you trying to give a gift? Pedals up?

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<v Speaker 1>So that's very few people romantics.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you be excited if your partner or crush gave

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<v Speaker 2>you something thoughtful or sweet or romantic on Valentine's say?

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<v Speaker 2>Paddles up.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>See, So what I'm seeing is a bunch of haters

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<v Speaker 2>in the room. A single.

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<v Speaker 1>Up.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I love this.

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<v Speaker 1>That's acts of facts before we start, sir, in the

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<v Speaker 1>green cap. I don't know if you like to be

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<v Speaker 1>singled out? Can we get a microphone to this, gentlemen?

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<v Speaker 2>Please already? Yeah, I've got some questions. I'm not ready

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<v Speaker 2>for the part.

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<v Speaker 1>I was waiting, So, Sir, I think you were saying

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<v Speaker 1>what what?

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<v Speaker 5>What?

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<v Speaker 1>What were we saying before? And you nodding?

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<v Speaker 2>So it was Valentine's Day, ganger present Valentine's Day?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you going to get a gift?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 5>Because it's my partner's birthday on Valentine's Day as well,

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<v Speaker 5>So that's why I'm a little bit salty about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was like, okay, so we can't have one

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<v Speaker 2>day to ourselves? Can we be sweet that my class?

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<v Speaker 1>Please?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Class for love, young love, Young love. Sir, birthday King,

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<v Speaker 1>What do you want for your birthday? Oh ah?

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<v Speaker 2>Some new headphones?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe some live music tickets.

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<v Speaker 2>That the brand? So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we talking like maybe some new Sonny?

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<v Speaker 2>Perhaps?

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<v Speaker 1>Literally I'm wearing like thirty year old Sonny.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's just if I get one hundred and ninety

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<v Speaker 2>dollars they do see all real everybody here gets a

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and ninety nine dollars gifts out to dispect savers,

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<v Speaker 2>so like your thought about it dropping the secret so

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<v Speaker 2>to you anyway, I think you're gonna have a fantastic birthday.

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<v Speaker 1>Happy birthday. Literally you might be turning twenty five, like

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<v Speaker 1>for ya this year. It's very exciting. Quick caveat though,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a little paddle session we just.

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<v Speaker 2>Did, you know, this is why I am like not

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<v Speaker 2>critically thinking on the internet anymore, like I critically think

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<v Speaker 2>in my own spaces because I feel as though, like

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<v Speaker 2>it's such a hypothetical, like abstract conversation that contradicts how

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<v Speaker 2>we all feel, like below the surface. So like I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like most people in this room, people who are

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<v Speaker 2>of like a similar like level of value as us,

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<v Speaker 2>could say like.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, common people, what is the level of value? Like

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<v Speaker 1>we share common values? Oh okay, I thought you meant

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<v Speaker 1>like value in society.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, no, no, no, like we share like common values

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<v Speaker 2>like we're lack minded people, right, so we know that

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<v Speaker 2>like things.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctors and nurses, Like, I don't know if you contribute

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<v Speaker 1>that much girls, No, no, so like we can we

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<v Speaker 1>know the verb, but you'd be like, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Valentine's Day is a capitalist holiday. La la la la la.

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<v Speaker 2>But then on the surface, you would still be moved

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<v Speaker 2>if someone was to honor you in that way on

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<v Speaker 2>Valentine's Day. And I think like, obviously we had the

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<v Speaker 2>patience to be like, hey, here's the contradiction now, But

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<v Speaker 2>then on the Internet people aren't recognizing their own contradictions.

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<v Speaker 2>Conversation gets boring. Back to the point, though, who's single?

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<v Speaker 2>Paddles up? And I've actually made the paddles higher. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>not be subtled with that. I whant to see paddles

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<v Speaker 2>high up.

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<v Speaker 1>Put your paddle up. Yeah, yeah, I'm here. We're actually

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<v Speaker 1>only going to do one person because we don't have

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<v Speaker 1>that much time. I'm both to do a separate DM.

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<v Speaker 1>But who's single?

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<v Speaker 2>It has a crush.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you were the first woman with yours.

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<v Speaker 2>I told you right up.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's the enjoyment? The baron barge? The baron barge? Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>but no wetness on the boat? All right? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>want to come up on stage?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, give her a flap sage. You're bold.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at you with the disc so good?

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<v Speaker 2>Literally twin Oh my god. For those who don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I wore this to the r's. It was very hard

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<v Speaker 2>and did get best stressed.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really stressed out though.

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<v Speaker 2>Can we just include everybody in the room, single, not single, married, widow, divorced.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have a crush? Paddles up?

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<v Speaker 5>Please?

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<v Speaker 2>What was.

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<v Speaker 4>It?

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<v Speaker 2>Better be recent for mcordethorn Roses.

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<v Speaker 1>What is your name?

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Grace, Grace.

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<v Speaker 5>My middle names was Cinder actually, so yeah, wow, you taste.

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<v Speaker 2>Aquarius like Crais Moon Moon thought it was in there

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<v Speaker 2>somehe and loves.

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<v Speaker 1>It, Gracie. Okay, so what is three things about your crush? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>He likes tns and jaws, paddles up, tns, jawns and drones.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are the three I like your crush? Right George

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<v Speaker 2>un beautiful comp and a little mullet and a little star.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm hearing too many murmurs. What's going on?

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<v Speaker 1>We don't like George.

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<v Speaker 2>George Jean shorts, shorts, paddles out for a Jean short.

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<v Speaker 2>I can, okay shaddle.

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<v Speaker 1>Out for a mullet? Yeah they, Oh my.

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<v Speaker 2>God, look at you all stress for a second.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so we're just going to cut right to it

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<v Speaker 1>because time is of the essence, isn't it, Brookie. See

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the one taking the time for once he feels good,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't it. This is what I think you should say

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<v Speaker 1>to your crush, how like close you?

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<v Speaker 5>So he's actually best friends with this guy that was

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<v Speaker 5>on and off with for like a year, same social circle,

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<v Speaker 5>but it's like we're good friends, but like he's friends

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<v Speaker 5>with the Eggs and it's just a bit like I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know how to cross that boundary.

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<v Speaker 2>Classic homie hop have we all been there? Are the

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<v Speaker 2>homie told you are bringing back reckless energy? Just try it?

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<v Speaker 1>Agreed? Okay, So this is how I think you should

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to say his name's Jordan. It's not, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'll take it, okay, Dylan, No, hey Jordan, it's Grace.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though you could see that from my handle? Is

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<v Speaker 1>it an em? I went to a party the other

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<v Speaker 1>day and I thought you were going to be there

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<v Speaker 1>because I know you love tens and mullets, the concern

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<v Speaker 1>on your face. The party was actually in Fitzroy, but

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't see there. I was wondering if you were

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<v Speaker 1>at the fitz Troy. That's a good one. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>then he's like, classic Grace, let's go sis, what's yours?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to phone a friend for this one. And

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<v Speaker 2>my friend, I mean, one of one hundred people in

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<v Speaker 2>the crowd today, what is an effective DM slide?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, not too nice. Once I was asked what I

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<v Speaker 1>was out to and I just sent my address as

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<v Speaker 1>the reply.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what though, that's bold? I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I want to see, Okay, my treasure.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's something I would do, honestly every time through.

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<v Speaker 2>Me and I have a conversation about dating, I find

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<v Speaker 2>that like our approaches are so extreme because I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how to be subtle or coy, and I can

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<v Speaker 2>only do what one would refer to as a corporate

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<v Speaker 2>DM slide. It's like, here is the context, here are

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<v Speaker 2>the options A or B. Please let me know at

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a realistic time. So like how I would

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<v Speaker 2>DM slide is I would say, and this is one

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<v Speaker 2>from the archives. I would say, this is me shooting

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<v Speaker 2>my shot. So if that's not a vibe, let me know, babe,

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<v Speaker 2>success right one hundred percent, because realistically, you don't shoot

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<v Speaker 2>your shot when it's lukewarm. I feel like too many

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<v Speaker 2>people like to select sit in ambiguity with like, oh

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like is there tension? Babes, they were nice

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<v Speaker 2>to you, there's not tension. I feel like if you're

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<v Speaker 2>in an environment where it's flirty, there's no way you

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<v Speaker 2>can lose because nobody is immune to lattery, nobody, not

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<v Speaker 2>one person, So anything goes.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a crush, just a crush.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just like friends. I don't know a great question.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm definitely more of a froom's listener vibe, so I

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<v Speaker 5>definitely princess era, sit back on them, come to me.

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<v Speaker 2>They have to impress me. So I feel like I

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<v Speaker 2>know that he's currently I don't think he knows he's there.

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<v Speaker 5>I simmering, like kept the flirting going, but like the

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<v Speaker 5>whole like friends with the X thing is like I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know if I can cross that line.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm trying to figure out how to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>But I like this window of time, will you give

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<v Speaker 2>yourself until you're like I'm done? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like a good like if you message me

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<v Speaker 5>when I was out and was like, oh, where are

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<v Speaker 5>you at a bit, Oh my god, come to this party,

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<v Speaker 5>and it'd be like, you know, a fun like chill,

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<v Speaker 5>like I'm just amouting a friend like you always say,

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<v Speaker 5>you know you could have an out right gotta be like,

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<v Speaker 5>oh it's just amouting a friend to a pod right

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<v Speaker 5>in case it's rejectionniability, So I always say so that

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<v Speaker 5>way if it doesn't work out, just friends. But if

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<v Speaker 5>it does, it's like, well we're a party and then.

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<v Speaker 2>I can do that. You know, you look so cute.

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<v Speaker 5>And if he's like, oh, like not about it, just

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<v Speaker 5>a friend, just friend calling, what are you doing about?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>So possible diability for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So see you in twenty twenty six. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>longest game, every long list.

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<v Speaker 1>This is flex and frooms.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a question for you, through me, but also

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<v Speaker 2>everyone in our live audience today. Can people exclude themselves

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<v Speaker 2>from fashion? Can you really live this life and claim

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<v Speaker 2>that you are not impacted or affected by fashion? Paddles

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<v Speaker 2>up Throumy's got one paddle up, We've got two paddles

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<v Speaker 2>three for context of like one hundred and twenty people

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<v Speaker 2>in this room. So through me to clarify five paddles.

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<v Speaker 2>Not putting words in your mouth, but you believe that

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<v Speaker 2>people can earnestly exclude themselves from fashion and not be

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<v Speaker 2>impacted by it at all? Well, there are two different things, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>please clarify the first one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you can exclude yourself from fashion, you reckon, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>what does.

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<v Speaker 2>That mean to you? If I said I've excluded myself

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<v Speaker 2>from fashion, what does that say?

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<v Speaker 1>I can imagine you just having like one outfit that

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<v Speaker 1>you always wear and it's not a political statement or

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<v Speaker 1>is it. And you're not reading fashion magazines, you're not

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<v Speaker 1>engaging in fashion. You're not thinking about what other people

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<v Speaker 1>are wearing. I think that's the key, is not engaging

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<v Speaker 1>and even thinking about it. And I think some people

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<v Speaker 1>really don't. I think it's a luxury. I think some

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<v Speaker 1>people have to think about fashion more than others. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think some people I'm imagining someone like like a

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<v Speaker 1>busy mum, Like I think about my mom when I

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<v Speaker 1>was growing up, Like she's a busy mom, she works

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<v Speaker 1>full time, not thinking about sinoea. She never buys clothes,

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm picturing, So she's not in that cycle.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, paddles up if you agree or like you you're

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<v Speaker 2>of a similar vein kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Yeah, because you're saying I think.

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<v Speaker 2>People can kind of exclude themselves from like the superficiality

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<v Speaker 2>of fashion. Definitely, But I think as a concept, the

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<v Speaker 2>way you look, the way you present yourself, even if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't think that you're act participating, well everyone who

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<v Speaker 2>gets to observe you gets to say that you are,

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<v Speaker 2>like you picking one outfit to where every day is participating.

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<v Speaker 2>That's your form of participation. But when we were discussing

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<v Speaker 2>this topic briefly a couple of years ago, Brookie, a producer,

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned the devil wes Prata and she's got us a

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<v Speaker 2>little exerpt from this. We can all be on the

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<v Speaker 2>same page for the second half of this conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>Love this one.

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<v Speaker 3>Both those belts look exactly the same to me.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I'm still learning about this stuff and this stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, I see. You think this has nothing to

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<v Speaker 3>do with you. You go to your closet and you select

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know that lumpy blue sweater, for instance, because

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<v Speaker 3>you're trying to tell the world that you take yourself

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<v Speaker 3>too seriously to care about what you put on your back.

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<v Speaker 3>But what you don't know is that that sweater is

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<v Speaker 3>not just blue, it's not turquois, it's not lapist, it's

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<v Speaker 3>actually and you're all so blithely unaware of the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that in two thousand and two, Oscar de la Renta

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<v Speaker 3>did a collection of Cerulian gowns, and then I think

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<v Speaker 3>it was Eve sin Laurent, wasn't it who showed Cerrillian

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<v Speaker 3>military jackets. I think we needed a jacket here, And

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<v Speaker 3>then Cerulian quickly showed up in the collections of eight

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<v Speaker 3>different designers.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to filter down.

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<v Speaker 3>Through the department stores and then trickled on down into

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<v Speaker 3>some tragic casual corner where you no doubt fished it

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<v Speaker 3>out of some clearance spin. However, that blue represents millions

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<v Speaker 3>of dollars and countless jobs. And it's sort of comical

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<v Speaker 3>how you think that you've made a choice that exempts

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<v Speaker 3>you from the fashion industry when in fact you're wearing

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<v Speaker 3>a sweater that was selected for you by the people

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<v Speaker 3>in this room.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, one of the all time great saints.

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<v Speaker 2>Really. Now, you mentioned before that you believe people can

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<v Speaker 2>exclude themselves from the fashion conversation, and you reference your mom,

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<v Speaker 2>who you said, I don't want to like say.

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<v Speaker 1>Busy, you know, maybe would have once once in a time,

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<v Speaker 1>like thought about fashion, but had different priorities. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And then after us we just played this little

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<v Speaker 2>exerpt from devilwz Prata and they were saying that, like

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<v Speaker 2>you know even now, right, let's say you've been wearing

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<v Speaker 2>the same clothes for the last ten years, and so

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<v Speaker 2>for all intents and purposes, you don't feel as you're

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<v Speaker 2>participating in the fashion conversation because look, it's just these

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<v Speaker 2>this is functional, I had it forever. What people are

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<v Speaker 2>kind of infairing is that, well, at one point in time,

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<v Speaker 2>ten years ago, that item that you bought was directly

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<v Speaker 2>influenced by what was trending. It was at one point

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<v Speaker 2>in time maybe the center of the conversation around fashion.

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<v Speaker 2>It was pinnacle, it was necessary. And so even if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't attribute your almost like relationship to it as.

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<v Speaker 1>Being fashion, does that mean that it's not? Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>think fashion is kind of like a language. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>you can be fluent in something, or you can have

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of like it's like digital literacy. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you fully understand the Internet, or like if you're gen

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<v Speaker 1>z and you're on TikTok constantly, then you you become

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<v Speaker 1>fluent in like certain sounds or certain kind of trends

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<v Speaker 1>or as. Then you get like someone a millennial, say,

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<v Speaker 1>coming onto TikTok for the first time and they're usingth

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<v Speaker 1>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Do do do do do Do Do Do do do do

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<v Speaker 2>do do that?

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<v Speaker 1>Like monkey spinning music?

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<v Speaker 2>How come I don't know that one because.

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<v Speaker 1>You're obviously more on the gen Z side because you're

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four. What's the sound? Don't don don't don't?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh the first time that comes on when you okay

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<v Speaker 2>y y yeah yeh yeh okay yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah. I think that like, for example, Miranda Priestley

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<v Speaker 1>and that has this encyclopedic knowledge of fashion, which I

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<v Speaker 1>like the idea that you can exclude yourself. You cannot

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<v Speaker 1>speak a language of fashion, say, and totally remove yourself

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<v Speaker 1>from the conversation, because I think also fashion can be

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<v Speaker 1>quite like give you a lot of anxiety. Like think

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<v Speaker 1>when I was in school, I wouldn't go to hasual clothes,

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<v Speaker 1>say I just wear like my uniform because it was

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<v Speaker 1>so much pressure and I felt like I didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>access to the clothes that actually expressed who I was,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I just didn't participate. That's huge.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I ask a question to you and also to

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<v Speaker 2>our audience, if from today and I post this on

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<v Speaker 2>my Instagram, so if you you're on there, you've experienced it,

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<v Speaker 2>But if from this moment forward, for the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>the year, you had to be dressed up in an

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<v Speaker 2>aesthetic that you hated, right, Like, if you love color,

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<v Speaker 2>it's all monotony. If you love clothes that fit you well,

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<v Speaker 2>nothing fits you well. If you love accessorizing, no accessories,

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<v Speaker 2>That's where I'm going. Would you still feel like yourself?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think you could do that every single day?

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<v Speaker 2>Go to your regular environment, do you know, make your

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<v Speaker 2>regular friends and still feel like you can show up

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<v Speaker 2>in the world as yourself paddles up? If you could,

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<v Speaker 2>that's one paddle for through me. We got two, three, four?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that is that our boot down made? All right?

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<v Speaker 2>We got six seven, So maybe like six percent of

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<v Speaker 2>our audience could do that, Which is a fascinating conversation

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<v Speaker 2>because like, I think there is a lot of merit

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<v Speaker 2>in getting to choose how you express yourself. But maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of wonder the more that we do it

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<v Speaker 2>become really attached to this level of expression that without

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<v Speaker 2>it were like wait a second, Like now I have

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<v Speaker 2>to fill in the gaps with my personality. I've got

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<v Speaker 2>to fill in the gaps with what I believe. I've

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<v Speaker 2>got to fill in the gaps of you know, how

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<v Speaker 2>I can how I can shop for myself without all

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff telling you that I'm like hot and sexy.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi bag, I like your hat, be nice anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>I could talk about that forever, but we actually don't

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<v Speaker 2>have time, So thank you for humoring us. Love you,

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<v Speaker 2>baby cat. Flex and Frooms, Flex and Frooms, you've been

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<v Speaker 2>live at the Island in Sydney. For more Flex and Frooms,

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