1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Well, the day has arrived the US presidential debate, and 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: you can catch it on Channel nine from around nine 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: o'clock this morning on Channel nine and nine now. Channel 4 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: nine's US correspondent is Jonathan Cursley. Hello, Jonathan, are always good. 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 2: To talk to you guys on what is going to 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 2: be a huge. 7 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 3: Day, isn't it. 8 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: I believe there is not a popcorn kernel to be 9 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: found in the entire western world, A Colonel, there's a 10 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: lot of interest. 11 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 2: No one's microwave is free right now. I think all 12 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 2: the popcorn has been popped. It's sitting in the buckets 13 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 2: ready to be consumed. Strapping yourselves in Donald Trump, Carmela Harris. 14 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 2: It will be simulcast on nine. It's the first time 15 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 2: they've met, first time they'll be face to face, and 16 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: there's much anticipation over what's going to take place over 17 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 2: the course of the next few hours. 18 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 4: Wow, I was keen to fight. Yeah, I was keen 19 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 4: to find out what the anticipation levels are in the States. 20 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 4: I mean, is it you know, there was so much 21 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 4: focus on Biden his condition and behavior. 22 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 3: Is it? 23 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 4: Is it fever pitch now made? 24 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 2: Or is it? 25 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 3: How is it it's going to be keens of millions 26 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:01,639 Speaker 3: of people or watching this debate. It was fifty odd 27 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 3: million people who watched the CNN debate back in back 28 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 3: in June. That debate changed the course of history. Joe 29 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 3: Biden dropped out. The talk here politically for weeks has 30 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 3: been leading up to this debate, leading up to this 31 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 3: moment in Pennsylvania, in Philadelphia, a crucial city in a 32 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 3: crucial state for the presidential election, and there will be 33 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 3: tens of million devies watching how Krmala Harris and Donald 34 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 3: Trump deal with each other personally and also watching what 35 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 3: they're going to be saying. I mean, the debate format 36 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 3: is going to be largely the same as we saw 37 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 3: with the San n debate, so that there's no audience. 38 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 3: The microphones are going to be muted, so you're not 39 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 3: going to have people shouting over the top of each other. 40 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 2: It's going to last ninety minutes, and essentially this is 41 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 2: the presidential candidates with the moderators and no one else 42 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: really asking the many questions or participating in this debate. 43 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: So the atmosphere is going to be pretty tense inside 44 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 2: that room. And then elsewhere you're going to have a 45 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: spin room set up that's where you're going to see 46 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: the likes of their supporters, campaign staff, campaign surrogate's going 47 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: in there trying to convince the press of their own 48 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: take on how this debate is going to go. But 49 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 2: presidential debate can change the courses of elections. As we 50 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 2: saw back in June, this one is going to be 51 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 2: hugely important for both They both want momentum. This race 52 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 2: at the moment is essentially mechamic. There is no clear winner. 53 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: It's going to come down to a million or so 54 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: voters in a handful of states, and so this debate 55 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: can change mind, it can have an impact, and the 56 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: pressure really is going to be on both candidates. This 57 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 2: is the first time Kamala Harris has taken part of 58 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 2: any sort of presidential debate. This will be Donald Trump's seventh. 59 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: I wonder, because this is the first time they've actually met, 60 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: if that will in any way give Kamala a little 61 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: bit of an edge because of the fact that you 62 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: know what you're going to get with Donald she could 63 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: surprise everyone. 64 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 2: Well, I think this is the thing. Essentially, we know 65 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 2: what to expect with Donald Trump. The American public knows 66 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 2: what to expect with Donald Trump. It was interesting. In 67 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: the last debate, he actually was more muted than he 68 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: has been us. He wasn't as aggressive, he wasn't a standover. 69 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: He still did interject at various points, and he was 70 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 2: quite denigrading of the President Joe Biden. But this time around, 71 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: couple Arris has been a lot. By the day, She's 72 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 2: been at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, in effectively a studio setting with 73 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 2: studio lights, somebody standing in to play the role of 74 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 2: Donald Trump. She has been trying to prepare herself as 75 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 2: best she can for this role. She's been taking advice 76 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 2: from Hillary Clinton and both people who have debated Donald 77 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 2: Trump stood on that stage and confronted him. So she 78 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 2: is going to buy now have worked out what it 79 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 2: is she thinks she needs to do. She very famously 80 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 2: during the vice presidential debates in twenty twenty interrupted Mike 81 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: Pencil had interrupted her and told her to wait until 82 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: she was finished before he would then be able to speak. 83 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 2: She tried a similar thing as a senator while questioning 84 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: a Supreme Court judge Afflican. So, look, she has formed. 85 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: She is a prosecutor. She knows how to prosecute a case. 86 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 2: There's going to be plenty of attention on how is 87 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 2: she going to try and get a victory over Donald 88 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 2: Trump tonight? Is it going to be on policy? Is 89 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 2: it going to be on These are the questions that 90 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: Americans in the world will find out of the course 91 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 2: of the next few hours. 92 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 4: As you mentioned, Jonathan, we know what we're going to 93 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 4: get from Trump. However, is there a real danger in 94 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 4: him being too aggressive, too much on the front foot 95 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 4: and really attacking a woman. 96 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. It's a problem. It's a problem so 97 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 2: much though, that his own campaign staff are essentially telling 98 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 2: him that he needs district to policy. They've been telling 99 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: him this for weeks though. And the problem with Donald 100 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 2: Trump is Donald Trump only listens to Donald Trump. So 101 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 2: he could have he could have a million people telling 102 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 2: him what to do. Essentially, he's going to decide what 103 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 2: he wants to do, how he wants to do, him 104 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 2: when he wants to do it. Go back to the 105 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen debates against Hillary Quinston, and he very famously 106 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 2: infamously cut her down, suggested that he would throw her 107 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: in jail. The American public hadn't seen like that in 108 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 2: the presidential debate before, and he took up that model. 109 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: Go to twenty twenty COVID presidential debate styles. They're isolated 110 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 2: there alone. But he said she did the same to 111 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 2: Joe Biden. Now this time around, he is once again 112 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 2: against the female candidates, and he is once again going 113 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: to be scrutinized on how he talks to women. One 114 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 2: of the big problems his campaign has had is how 115 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 2: is he coming across the female voters. Kamala Harris is 116 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,679 Speaker 2: miles ahead when it comes to that, so far ahead 117 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: of the moment that there is just such gender divide 118 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 2: between the two candidates. Donald Trump performing well among white males, 119 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 2: Kamala Harris is performing well among black and Hispanic voters 120 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 2: women in particular, So there is going to be much 121 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 2: scrutiny on how he talks to her, how he deals 122 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 2: with her arguments. Tonight, as I mentioned his campaign, it's 123 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: telling him, Donald, you need to focus on the detail 124 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 2: of the policy, not on the personal attacks. We've heard 125 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 2: what he's called her already. He's called her dumb as 126 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 2: a rock, He's called her all sorts of various denigrating terms, 127 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 2: calls a comrade, commonist. It's just extraordinary language to hear 128 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 2: from somebody who wants to be leader of the free will. 129 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: But again, when it comes to Donald trumple this kind 130 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 2: of language is no surprise. 131 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: Oh, his body language alone must be confronting for anyone 132 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: trying to deal with him. What will the key issues 133 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: be though in the debate, Well, there's going. 134 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 2: To be a number of key issues, mainly the economy 135 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 2: that is front and center of the minds to the 136 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 2: American voters at the moment. In his kitchen table economics, 137 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,679 Speaker 2: so it is things like your gas prices, your grocery prices. 138 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 2: Are people able to have a job that afford their 139 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 2: mortgagure payments and afford their rents? All of these sorts 140 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 2: of fundamental cost of living aspects right now are front 141 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: and center of this campaign. The Republicans are also going 142 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 2: to try and make it about immigration, and they're going 143 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 2: to try and tie Kamala Harris's existing record as vice 144 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 2: presidents to any sort of candidacy she has to the 145 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 2: candidacy she has to be America's commander in chief. I 146 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 2: think from Kamala Harris's perspective, though, and from the Democrat's perspective, 147 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: it is going to be very much about It is 148 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 2: also going to be about the economy, but it's going 149 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 2: to be about democracy as well. It's going to be 150 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: about women's rights, it's going to be about access to abortion. 151 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 2: This is something that they see as a very strong 152 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: point for them, particularly among female voters. But again, it's 153 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 2: going to come down to personality. How are they going 154 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 2: to both come across. How effectively can they not only 155 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: win their arguments but also win over the public. Remember 156 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 2: this is a televised debate, so a lot of it 157 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: comes down to showmanship. So let's see, we've got a 158 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 2: couple of hours left to go on the clock now 159 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 2: until they're both standing there on that debate stage, not 160 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 2: so far from independence. Let me just give you a 161 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 2: quich sort of griff history lesson if you like Philadelphia. 162 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 2: It is the birthplace of American democracy. Independence. All across 163 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 2: the road from where this place is this debate is 164 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 2: being held is where the US Constitution was effectively ratified. 165 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: So what they are doing is taking this debate back 166 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 2: to the birthplace of American democracy. Democrats will be saying 167 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: right now, they're fighting for the future of that dury 168 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 2: democracy itself. 169 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 4: And we're only a couple of months away from the 170 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 4: big day or the d of the process. So this 171 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 4: is a pivotal day that might get bums off seats, 172 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 4: but people of ton't. 173 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:35,599 Speaker 2: Know absolutely right. November five is presidential election day in 174 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 2: the United States a couple of months away now, and 175 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 2: it is of a fat it's going to be incredibly typed. 176 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: The polls are already saying that this is a mecan 177 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 2: neic race, not just nationally but essentially in the key 178 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 2: swing states as well. So hold on your hats. It's 179 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 2: going to be a very busy and very bumpy ride 180 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 2: to November five. 181 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, I realize this is happening on Tuesday night, 182 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: September ten in America, but of course it is happening 183 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: on a very important day for America for US, September eleventh. Certainly, 184 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: America is in our thoughts today, Jonathan, Yeah. 185 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 2: Thanks us. It's obviously September ten here, September eleven tomorrow, 186 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 2: and in fact, after this debate actually wraps up, you'll 187 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: be seeing the Vice President and the President both making 188 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:21,719 Speaker 2: their way to respective September eleven commemoration services that are 189 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 2: going to be held. They are the same services that 190 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 2: have been held every year since that fateful day some 191 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 2: twenty three years ago. Now, So this what we'll watch 192 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 2: the atmosphere around this transition gently once we get out 193 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 2: of the debate tonight here in the United States will 194 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 2: be it'll wrap up at about ten thirty eleven PM 195 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 2: on the East Coast, that is just a matter of 196 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 2: hours before that very anniversary falls in New York, on 197 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 2: the day that so many people here in America remember 198 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 2: so many lives lost. 199 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: All right, well, Jonathan, thank you for finding some time 200 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: for us on this very busy day for you. 201 00:09:58,440 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for the wrapmown brilliant. 202 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 2: I am always good to talk to you guys next week. 203 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 4: Jonathan explained. 204 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 2: To take care. 205 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 3: Bye.