Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS. Oh,
Speaker 1: now it makes sense.
Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Friday,
Speaker 2: the twelfth of September.
Speaker 3: I'm Elliott Lourie.
Speaker 1: I'm Lucy Tarsel.
Speaker 2: Starting this month, Australia's music charts will focus on albums
Speaker 2: and songs released in the last two years, transitioning away
Speaker 2: from older releases that had long been taking up space.
Speaker 2: It's the biggest change to the ARIA chart since the
Speaker 2: introduction of streaming figures over a decade ago. When this
Speaker 2: new system came into effect. Last week, a viral hit
Speaker 2: from Ossie artist Kelly Holiday jumped to the top spot
Speaker 2: on the Australian Singles Chart. On Today's podcast, I chat
Speaker 2: to Holiday, whose real name is Adam Hyde, about how
Speaker 2: it feels to go to number one with an independent
Speaker 2: release and what these chart changes mean for the future
Speaker 2: of the Australian music industry. But before we get into it,
Speaker 2: here's a quick message from responses.
Speaker 1: Elliott, You've got a really fun chat with Adam Hyde
Speaker 1: for us today. But before we get into it, I
Speaker 1: think a question a lot of people will be asking
Speaker 1: is why should we care about the music charts?
Speaker 2: That is a really good question to start with. I
Speaker 2: think personally, I've always been really chart obsessed as a
Speaker 2: fan of popular music. It's interesting to see how people
Speaker 2: are listening and what's being reflected in sort of the
Speaker 2: cultural zeitgeist on the charts. So I think a good
Speaker 2: place to start is how the charts are kind of
Speaker 2: a reflection of the culture at any given point in time.
Speaker 2: They also give validation to the artist that their work
Speaker 2: is being received well. Now, of course, there are plenty
Speaker 2: of artists that haven't seen their work reflected on the charts,
Speaker 2: but you know, it's more often than not that when
Speaker 2: a musician is being introduced, it's always as you know,
Speaker 2: so and so has five number one albums or ten
Speaker 2: top thirty hits. It kind of becomes the accolades that
Speaker 2: define their career and their legacy going on. Now, on
Speaker 2: the other side of things, chart success can also provide
Speaker 2: massive opportunities for small artists and those that are starting out.
Speaker 2: So music labels use charts as kind of a gauge
Speaker 2: to determine which acts they're going to invest more money
Speaker 2: and time into, meaning bigger budgets for future projects and
Speaker 2: also things like festival bookings, can come out of chart
Speaker 2: success as well.
Speaker 1: Now on those charts, you mentioned that Australia's charts, the
Speaker 1: ARIA charts have undergone some big changes this month. Can
Speaker 1: you walk me through what those are?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So, the last time that arias made a massive change
Speaker 2: to the way the charts are calculated was back in
Speaker 2: the twenty tens when they introduced streaming figures from platforms
Speaker 2: like Spotify. This obviously was something that needed to happen,
Speaker 2: it's where people were consuming music. But an unintended byproduct
Speaker 2: of that change was that several of the main charts
Speaker 2: then became clogged up by older hits. So think of
Speaker 2: things like albums that were constantly going back to as
Speaker 2: an Australian audience, and those sort of classic songs that
Speaker 2: will never go away. They're constantly being streamed and they're
Speaker 2: constantly turning up on the charts. Now, at the end
Speaker 2: of last month, there was only two songs inside the
Speaker 2: top ten of the Australian singles that were actually released
Speaker 2: this decade. Decade, this decade, so in the twenty twenties.
Speaker 2: Yeah so, in response, ARIA has now taken almost all
Speaker 2: songs that were released more than two years ago and
Speaker 2: rehome them on a different chart. They're called the onra
Speaker 2: Play Charts. What that means is we now have space
Speaker 2: on those main charts for new releases. And the idea
Speaker 2: behind the move was to kind of better reflect contemporary
Speaker 2: listening habits. Yeah, Ari CEO Annabel Heard told us that
Speaker 2: the changes give a much clearer and more nuanced picture
Speaker 2: of how Australians are listening.
Speaker 1: So we've got Adam Hyde on the pod today to
Speaker 1: talk us through all of those changes from an artist's perspective.
Speaker 1: For those listening who might not know much about him,
Speaker 1: what should they know going into your interview with him?
Speaker 2: So if you haven't heard the name Adam Hyde, you
Speaker 2: might also know him as one half of the band
Speaker 2: Peaking Duck. They've had a lot of chart success over
Speaker 2: the years, so he's experienced talking about this topic. More recently,
Speaker 2: he's actually taken on a solo venture under the name
Speaker 2: Kelly Holiday. If you don't know either of those names,
Speaker 2: Peaking Duck or Kelly Holiday, you maybe know him as
Speaker 2: the partner of podcast hosts and media personality Abbi Chatfield.
Speaker 2: He is now mister Abby Chatfield. So Abby is an
Speaker 2: important part of this story because Adam actually wrote the
Speaker 2: song that has gone to number one as a love
Speaker 2: letter to her, and it kind of then grew and
Speaker 2: took on a life of its own, which is why
Speaker 2: we're talking about it today. Throughout the interview you'll also
Speaker 2: hear him refer to his girlfriend, that is who is
Speaker 2: talking about in this context. Just a warning that Adam
Speaker 2: does tend to swear a bit. You may hear some
Speaker 2: curse words throughout the interview. It's nothing too crazy, but
Speaker 2: if you have kids in the car, this is maybe
Speaker 2: one that you want to come back to later. So
Speaker 2: without further Ado, let's get into it. Adam, welcome to
Speaker 2: the Daily OZZ.
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you for having me. It's a beautiful,
Speaker 4: beautiful guff you got me in here.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. That's very kind of you to say. So. Look,
Speaker 2: we're talking today because your song Dancing Too has just
Speaker 2: gone to number one on the Australian Singles charts. What
Speaker 2: does it mean in twenty twenty five to have that
Speaker 2: sort of success.
Speaker 3: It's a solid quest, my guy.
Speaker 4: It's funny because you know, in this day and age,
Speaker 4: it's quite hard to know, you know, how to kind
Speaker 4: of make a song connect in any way, you know,
Speaker 4: there's no real rhyme or reason anymore.
Speaker 3: The Old Guard is kind of out.
Speaker 4: There's an independent release, you know, there's no label backing,
Speaker 4: and to see it resonate in this way but then
Speaker 4: carry its own kind of steam and become its own thing,
Speaker 4: it's an incredible thing.
Speaker 3: I don't really have words because to me, it's kind
Speaker 3: of be on the song.
Speaker 4: Now people are soundtracking it for, you know, their babies
Speaker 4: being born, their marriages, people passing away, people beating cancer,
Speaker 4: all these things. It seems like this all encompassing scope
Speaker 4: of humanity soundtracked by this song, and I'm just I'm
Speaker 4: sitting back and watching the ride and just going, this
Speaker 4: is nice to see some wholesome positivity and joy on
Speaker 4: social media.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very special. I am personally saw it for
Speaker 2: the first time on TikTok.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: At what point in the recording process do you start
Speaker 2: thinking about social media? Like is it with you in
Speaker 2: the studio? Is it something that comes after.
Speaker 4: I think it should never come into play in the studio.
Speaker 4: And it's funny because you know, I've been grateful enough
Speaker 4: to say that music has been my job. I've been
Speaker 4: doing it for like almost twenty years now. Professionally, and
Speaker 4: you know, there's so many moments in the studio when
Speaker 4: you're making something and there'll be someone who will be.
Speaker 3: Like, oh yeah, like that'll be like a TikTok, you.
Speaker 4: Know, and it's like, as soon as that's even brought
Speaker 4: into the space, I feel like you may as well
Speaker 4: just shoot the song in the head and throw it
Speaker 4: out of the window, because I'd like, this song's a
Speaker 4: good example of that.
Speaker 3: This is this song was a love letter.
Speaker 4: I wrote this as a love letter to my girlfriend,
Speaker 4: and there was never a moment where I was like,
Speaker 4: this is going to be a song that's released. It's
Speaker 4: going to be a gift to my girlfriend that I love.
Speaker 4: And through that process, I don't think there is any
Speaker 4: space for thinking about the optics of people on TikTok
Speaker 4: or you know, the optics of radio people or anything
Speaker 4: like that that do come into one's mind when creating music.
Speaker 3: Due to the commerce side of things, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think it's connected because it was just a love letter,
Speaker 4: you know, But as far as the montages and compilations
Speaker 4: of like people having these beautiful life moments, I've got
Speaker 4: nothing to do with that. That's like, that's organic and
Speaker 4: it's also just like I wouldn't know how to orchestrate
Speaker 4: that if I tried, you know what I mean? What
Speaker 4: I do know how to orchestrate is me dancing like
Speaker 4: a dickhead in front of a camera. And I think
Speaker 4: my favorite corners of the internet, as I think most
Speaker 4: people should be other fun ones where it gets a
Speaker 4: bit silly, and it's easy to get silly on TikTok,
Speaker 4: and I.
Speaker 3: Do enjoy that a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you look at doing it, so thank you,
Speaker 2: it's working, thank you. I want to turn now to
Speaker 2: the charts. You've had a lot of chart success over
Speaker 2: the years with picking Duck for someone who isn't in
Speaker 2: the music industry. Why should anyone care about charts? And
Speaker 2: does something like a chart topping album lead to more opportunities,
Speaker 2: bigger budgets, festival bookings, things like that?
Speaker 3: Solid question.
Speaker 4: Yet again, I think any artists, where they like to
Speaker 4: admit it or not, once flower at some point, you know,
Speaker 4: you put a lot into a song or an album,
Speaker 4: into your work, and then it's nice to be recognized
Speaker 4: by the the powers that be, so to speak. And
Speaker 4: I think you know there's a lot of people on
Speaker 4: those boards, whether that's the Grammy Committee or that you know,
Speaker 4: the ARIA Board. These are people that have really like
Speaker 4: they've dedicated their lives to the music and the artists
Speaker 4: that are in the sphere in that time and what's
Speaker 4: happening within the culture, and it's kind of like, you know,
Speaker 4: it's kind of just getting that, like, you know, we
Speaker 4: see her, and we recognize that that is of quality
Speaker 4: and of substance that we want to represent.
Speaker 3: It's also just.
Speaker 4: A representative figure of the data of saying, hey, well
Speaker 4: you're up there because that many people listening to your
Speaker 4: shit right now. So that's cool in the sense of
Speaker 4: like whoa, what the fuck? That's crazy, But for me personally,
Speaker 4: it hits on the deeper level just because, like I said,
Speaker 4: I mean, I've never had a number one before and
Speaker 4: this is completely independent, there's no label, and it all
Speaker 4: happened for the people, you know, it wasn't me, you know,
Speaker 4: like it just started going crazy, Like I thought my
Speaker 4: phone was fucking glitching when I saw the videos start
Speaker 4: going and then that kind of spiraled into people really
Speaker 4: connecting with the song and that's a beautiful thing. So
Speaker 4: to see it go number one, I was like, this
Speaker 4: is insane. You know, but I mean what it means
Speaker 4: to chart. I'm not sure because it's my first time,
Speaker 4: so I still don't really know. Maybe in ten years
Speaker 4: if I get another one, then I'll have a better
Speaker 4: grasp on it, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, we'll circle back, We'll do another phone circle back.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, perfect. Well, this month we've actually
Speaker 2: seen some major changes to the way that the ARIA
Speaker 2: charts are calculated. So I'm not sure if you're sorry,
Speaker 2: but yep, starting from this week, the main charts have
Speaker 2: been limited to just focus on songs from the past
Speaker 2: two years.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The idea there being.
Speaker 2: That it is trying to better reflect contemporary music listening habits.
Speaker 2: That means that legacy acts like Crowdit House, who were
Speaker 2: number one last week now no longer on the same chart.
Speaker 3: They've been moved.
Speaker 2: Why do you think they've made those changes.
Speaker 4: I can't answer why they've done that because I don't
Speaker 4: know why. But why I think they should have done
Speaker 4: it a while ago, and now it's great that they've
Speaker 4: done it is because we all romanticize legacy and nostalgia
Speaker 4: so much so to a fault.
Speaker 3: Very Australian.
Speaker 4: It's very Australian right, And there's nothing wrong with romanticizing
Speaker 4: the past.
Speaker 3: We all do it, we're all human.
Speaker 4: But it really becomes to a fault when we're so
Speaker 4: caught up on the past and when not looking at
Speaker 4: what's happening on our doorstep right now. And there are
Speaker 4: so many talented Australian artists that we'll never get that
Speaker 4: shine because we're so hung up on crowded House. I mean,
Speaker 4: the first of all, they're Kiwis and they're incredible, and
Speaker 4: so ACDC.
Speaker 3: They're incredible. You know, these are really really.
Speaker 4: Magical artists that have contributed great art to the world
Speaker 4: at large. But at the same time, you know, how
Speaker 4: can we have another ACDC or crowded house without actually
Speaker 4: nourishing what's here right now. So by doing that, I
Speaker 4: think it's incredible. You know, it's giving new artists a
Speaker 4: spot and a place, and I think there's a lot
Speaker 4: more work to be done in that whole space, you know,
Speaker 4: And I'm by no means the gatekeeper on any of that,
Speaker 4: but I think it's definitely a large step in the
Speaker 4: right direction as far as celebrating what's actually here right now,
Speaker 4: especially in this country. There's so many great artists and
Speaker 4: for a long time. This country has been caught up
Speaker 4: on like, you know, the old guard of it all.
Speaker 4: And that's cool, that's cool, but it ain't moving things forward.
Speaker 4: And I think there's a way that we can do both.
Speaker 4: You know, we definitely can do both. I mean, they
Speaker 4: do that in America, you know, and they do it
Speaker 4: in the UK. You know, it shows progress and even
Speaker 4: though it might be you know, a fair bit o
Speaker 4: a due, that's okay, it's good.
Speaker 3: To see the people recognizing that.
Speaker 4: And it's things like that that will really propel new music.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Those things are the things that really move the needle
Speaker 4: as far as I concern. So I'm ecstatic for new
Speaker 4: artists in sense for sure.
Speaker 2: So that's an overwhelming endorsement of the changes, which is
Speaker 2: great because I did actually reach out to Aria and
Speaker 2: the CEO, Annabelle heard told me that dancing to taking
Speaker 2: the number one spot this week is one of the
Speaker 2: strongest signs that their new system is working.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you good though, an absolute.
Speaker 2: Win, she said. Kellie Holliday hitting number one is exactly
Speaker 2: the kind of breakthrough these changes were designed to make
Speaker 2: more visible.
Speaker 3: What do you make of that?
Speaker 4: That's awesome? First and foremost, that's cool. I didn't know
Speaker 4: that you spoke to them. Yes, that's cool. I think, yeah,
Speaker 4: it is interesting because for me, I'm really ecstatic about
Speaker 4: it all as far as the charts. Back to your
Speaker 4: question before and now to answer this one, it's like,
Speaker 4: you know, this was really independent, This was a really
Speaker 4: independent release, and a lot of people when they heard
Speaker 4: the album and this song said we can't touch it,
Speaker 4: we don't know what to do with it, we don't
Speaker 4: think this is going to work here or there.
Speaker 3: And we were like, okay, you know, that's cool whatever,
Speaker 3: We're going to put it out anyway.
Speaker 4: And then just kind of see those same people come
Speaker 4: around and be like, oh no, no, no, we get it now.
Speaker 4: It's just interesting thing that it kind of proves the
Speaker 4: point that a lot of people won't know what they
Speaker 4: think is good until it's really there and in front
Speaker 4: of them, and they really kind of force to look
Speaker 4: at it a bit. And I don't blame anyone for that.
Speaker 4: I think that's human nature or human error for lack
Speaker 4: of a better term. But I think it's kind of
Speaker 4: historically cool in a way that like the first time
Speaker 4: that they brought in that new rule where they've got
Speaker 4: to get rid of the old stuff and it's got
Speaker 4: to be new. I got to swing in there with
Speaker 4: an independent release, no less, because you know, if you
Speaker 4: look at those charts, a lot of them are with
Speaker 4: major labels. So I'm really proud of that because it
Speaker 4: shows that, like grass roots level, I think the people
Speaker 4: are really dictating what's hold now more than ever, obviously
Speaker 4: with social media, but to see that kind of influence
Speaker 4: from the people bleed into these larger discussions such as
Speaker 4: charts and what have you, it's like, it's dope, it's dope.
Speaker 3: It feels like a bit of a I don't.
Speaker 4: Want to use the word revolution, that's a bit heavy,
Speaker 4: but it feels like a pleasant change, a new eraror so.
Speaker 2: I think the idea that they had with the changes
Speaker 2: was that it would give more visibility to new releases
Speaker 2: like Dancing Too and other songs that are on the chart. Now,
Speaker 2: how do you think that turning up on the charts
Speaker 2: trickles down to the everyday listener like me?
Speaker 3: Solid quest?
Speaker 4: I think, I mean, I don't know, I guess if
Speaker 4: something is up on the charts, then streaming services and
Speaker 4: radio you would hope at least they would then be like, Okay,
Speaker 4: we should probably give this a spin. You know, we
Speaker 4: should probably give this a bit of shine or a
Speaker 4: bit of time in the sun, which would then trickle
Speaker 4: down to.
Speaker 3: The person who.
Speaker 4: You know, we all use streaming services in this day
Speaker 4: and age, but I think it's representative of what's happening
Speaker 4: within pop culture as well as you know now it's
Speaker 4: like TikTok and Instagram, those things dictate pop culture fully.
Speaker 4: You know, there's memes made about you know, what happened
Speaker 4: to the VMA's, and that's all part of it. And
Speaker 4: then through that those songs get streams and it kind
Speaker 4: of trickles back and it's all just part of the
Speaker 4: discussion around pop culture.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I can't answer what a chart position would do in
Speaker 4: that sense. I just think it's more so representative of
Speaker 4: where that piece of music is sitting in the zeitgeist
Speaker 4: of culture.
Speaker 3: And that's cool.
Speaker 4: Like if that's a marker for that, then fuck yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, so be it, because there should be little
Speaker 4: markers I think. You know, even though it's cool to
Speaker 4: be airy fairy about things, I'm a pretty strong supporter
Speaker 4: of like, yeah, we should have a bit of a bit.
Speaker 3: Of a system somewhere. You know.
Speaker 4: That kind of just is like, let's talk about sales
Speaker 4: because you know, speaking of ACDC, they had the second
Speaker 4: highest selling record of all time with Back in.
Speaker 3: Black, which is fucking wild.
Speaker 4: I only found that out like a year ago, and
Speaker 4: I'm born and raised Camber, Australia. It's like, we should
Speaker 4: be talking about that shit more, you know, which is
Speaker 4: interesting because we're so in love with legacy, yet we don't.
Speaker 4: If I was taught that shit in school, I'd be
Speaker 4: fucking angus young junior ten years ago, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. Like, but these are the things that are
Speaker 4: super important, and like stats like that do make things
Speaker 4: more believable.
Speaker 3: You know, you kind of need a number every now
Speaker 3: and then to be like, oh shit, that's legit. We're
Speaker 3: in a weird time with music in general.
Speaker 4: It's an exciting time, but a strange time nonetheless, because
Speaker 4: nobody really knows where to pick it. You can't really
Speaker 4: you know, everyone's pissing in the wind and in the
Speaker 4: dark at the same down time, which is fun.
Speaker 2: That's what I think is interesting about this whole discussion
Speaker 2: is that bodies like Aria grappling with habit measure. What
Speaker 2: is popular right now. It used to be a lot easier.
Speaker 2: What's on the radio? What are people buying physically in stores?
Speaker 2: So it is like one that we will continue to
Speaker 2: watch as it changes. Just to your point about people
Speaker 2: discovering your music through social media, Yeah, can I ask
Speaker 2: how do you personally discover new music?
Speaker 3: Ah?
Speaker 4: Word of mouth seems to be the one way I
Speaker 4: discovered in many ways, but the one way that I've
Speaker 4: found I really listened to that piece of music and
Speaker 4: I go, you know, I'll give it my all is
Speaker 4: word of mouth through people that I really fuck with,
Speaker 4: like people that I love, or you know, people that
Speaker 4: I look up to, or people that I really I
Speaker 4: know that their taste level is like their reference points
Speaker 4: are fucking bang on because I know they're not going
Speaker 4: to give me a dud.
Speaker 3: And if it's something I haven't heard of, I'll run
Speaker 3: to that.
Speaker 4: Piece of music and I'll sit there and absorb it
Speaker 4: all with my eyes closed, and then I'll be like yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: and then I'll fucking hyper fixate on it for a week.
Speaker 4: And that's a good way to digest music. I mean,
Speaker 4: that's my way of digesting music. Everyone's different.
Speaker 2: What's going Number One on Adam Heade's phone right now.
Speaker 3: Well, it's funny.
Speaker 4: Right now, I'm just listening to Lennar Cohen back to
Speaker 4: back to back. I think Lennard co I'm pretty convinced
Speaker 4: Lennar Cohen is the closest thing we have to God.
Speaker 3: Big call, big call, but a true call in my eyes.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to.
Speaker 2: Wrap up by talking about the future. The ARI CEO
Speaker 2: also told us that it can be difficult for local
Speaker 2: artists to break through and what she called a competitive
Speaker 2: global music landscape. So there's probably teenagers listening to the
Speaker 2: podcast today that might be considering a career in music.
Speaker 2: Any advice about overcoming barriers such as a competitive global
Speaker 2: media landscape.
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, anyone that is listening that is
Speaker 4: creating music, I salute you. The pursuit of creativity is
Speaker 4: never anyone. A torturous one and a very rewarding one,
Speaker 4: and it don't get any easier. It's always hard, but
Speaker 4: it is fun when you have those breakthroughs. And I
Speaker 4: think it gets harder and harder in the sense that, yes,
Speaker 4: it feels like if you're in Australia creating music right now,
Speaker 4: you're up against you know, the world literally, But what
Speaker 4: I will say is, never stop because of that, because
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, good art will always
Speaker 4: penetrate and will always get sometime in the light.
Speaker 3: It always will.
Speaker 4: And I know it feels like you're falling on deaf
Speaker 4: ears and your music's getting thrown in the dark, or
Speaker 4: your art or your movies or whatever it is that
Speaker 4: you're creating. But it sounds so corny, But the actual
Speaker 4: journey of the creation itself is the pleasant part. That's
Speaker 4: where you get all the joy and all the beauty
Speaker 4: out of Once you've done that, it's out of your control,
Speaker 4: it really is. You know, you can do a million interviews,
Speaker 4: you can sign to a big record label, or you
Speaker 4: can do a stunt where you jump off the Sydney
Speaker 4: Harbor Bridge naked to promote your music. You can do
Speaker 4: whatever you want, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: it's really up to the people you know that will
Speaker 4: really decide what happens from there. If you enjoy what
Speaker 4: you're doing, keep doing it because you should never be
Speaker 4: discouraged by algorithms or you know, data or numbers or
Speaker 4: what people tell you, because you know, some of the
Speaker 4: greatest pieces of art have been made by people that
Speaker 4: were constantly pushed down, you know, but they kept going.
Speaker 4: And I think perseverance is the most potent antidote to
Speaker 4: those kind of mentalities.
Speaker 3: You know, if you just keep going, it'll work itself out.
Speaker 4: And it is hard, you know, I'm not saying it's
Speaker 4: a walk in the park by no means, especially people
Speaker 4: ain't got cash.
Speaker 3: It costs money.
Speaker 4: Shit's hard, But what's harder is sitting there wishing that
Speaker 4: you did that shit. You know, there's always a way,
Speaker 4: and you find that way, pursue that way, you can
Speaker 4: get it all day.
Speaker 2: Well, that's a beautiful message turned on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a poem.
Speaker 2: Adam Hide, Kelly Holiday, thank you for joining the Daily.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. It's a pledge treasure.
Speaker 1: That was a fabulous interview, Elliott. Thanks so much to
Speaker 1: Adam Hyde for joining us, and thank you for joining
Speaker 1: us too on the Daily OS. We'll be back again
Speaker 1: with this evening's headlines and then once again on Monday
Speaker 1: coming into your feed with another deep dive. Until then,
Speaker 1: have a great weekend.
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