WEBVTT - The changing rules on the Aussie music charts 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:05.360 Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS. Oh, 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:06.840 now it makes sense. 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:17.120 Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Friday, 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:18.160 the twelfth of September. 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:19.160 I'm Elliott Lourie. 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:20.200 I'm Lucy Tarsel. 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:23.920 Starting this month, Australia's music charts will focus on albums 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:27.240 and songs released in the last two years, transitioning away 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:30.040 from older releases that had long been taking up space. 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:32.720 It's the biggest change to the ARIA chart since the 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:36.040 introduction of streaming figures over a decade ago. When this 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:38.599 new system came into effect. Last week, a viral hit 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:41.560 from Ossie artist Kelly Holiday jumped to the top spot 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:44.880 on the Australian Singles Chart. On Today's podcast, I chat 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:47.519 to Holiday, whose real name is Adam Hyde, about how 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:49.600 it feels to go to number one with an independent 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:52.400 release and what these chart changes mean for the future 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:55.480 of the Australian music industry. But before we get into it, 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:57.160 here's a quick message from responses. 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:03.960 Elliott, You've got a really fun chat with Adam Hyde 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:06.200 for us today. But before we get into it, I 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:08.120 think a question a lot of people will be asking 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:11.200 is why should we care about the music charts? 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:13.360 That is a really good question to start with. I 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:16.200 think personally, I've always been really chart obsessed as a 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:19.559 fan of popular music. It's interesting to see how people 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:21.960 are listening and what's being reflected in sort of the 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:24.880 cultural zeitgeist on the charts. So I think a good 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:27.040 place to start is how the charts are kind of 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:29.520 a reflection of the culture at any given point in time. 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:33.160 They also give validation to the artist that their work 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:36.080 is being received well. Now, of course, there are plenty 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:38.639 of artists that haven't seen their work reflected on the charts, 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:41.920 but you know, it's more often than not that when 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:44.800 a musician is being introduced, it's always as you know, 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:48.400 so and so has five number one albums or ten 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:51.040 top thirty hits. It kind of becomes the accolades that 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:54.360 define their career and their legacy going on. Now, on 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:56.960 the other side of things, chart success can also provide 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:00.800 massive opportunities for small artists and those that are starting out. 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:04.360 So music labels use charts as kind of a gauge 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:06.960 to determine which acts they're going to invest more money 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:10.560 and time into, meaning bigger budgets for future projects and 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:13.959 also things like festival bookings, can come out of chart 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:14.960 success as well. 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:18.480 Now on those charts, you mentioned that Australia's charts, the 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:21.320 ARIA charts have undergone some big changes this month. Can 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:22.560 you walk me through what those are? 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:23.200 Yeah? 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:25.840 So, the last time that arias made a massive change 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:27.720 to the way the charts are calculated was back in 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:31.160 the twenty tens when they introduced streaming figures from platforms 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:34.480 like Spotify. This obviously was something that needed to happen, 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:38.240 it's where people were consuming music. But an unintended byproduct 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:40.640 of that change was that several of the main charts 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:44.440 then became clogged up by older hits. So think of 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:47.040 things like albums that were constantly going back to as 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.920 an Australian audience, and those sort of classic songs that 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:53.000 will never go away. They're constantly being streamed and they're 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.600 constantly turning up on the charts. Now, at the end 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:58.480 of last month, there was only two songs inside the 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:01.280 top ten of the Australian singles that were actually released 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:04.600 this decade. Decade, this decade, so in the twenty twenties. 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:08.560 Yeah so, in response, ARIA has now taken almost all 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:11.000 songs that were released more than two years ago and 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:13.239 rehome them on a different chart. They're called the onra 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:16.519 Play Charts. What that means is we now have space 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:19.239 on those main charts for new releases. And the idea 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:22.079 behind the move was to kind of better reflect contemporary 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:25.320 listening habits. Yeah, Ari CEO Annabel Heard told us that 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:28.120 the changes give a much clearer and more nuanced picture 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:29.920 of how Australians are listening. 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:32.640 So we've got Adam Hyde on the pod today to 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:35.400 talk us through all of those changes from an artist's perspective. 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:38.720 For those listening who might not know much about him, 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:41.320 what should they know going into your interview with him? 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:43.760 So if you haven't heard the name Adam Hyde, you 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:46.560 might also know him as one half of the band 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:49.400 Peaking Duck. They've had a lot of chart success over 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:52.400 the years, so he's experienced talking about this topic. More recently, 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.640 he's actually taken on a solo venture under the name 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:57.800 Kelly Holiday. If you don't know either of those names, 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:00.120 Peaking Duck or Kelly Holiday, you maybe know him as 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.720 the partner of podcast hosts and media personality Abbi Chatfield. 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:07.960 He is now mister Abby Chatfield. So Abby is an 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:11.600 important part of this story because Adam actually wrote the 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:13.280 song that has gone to number one as a love 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:15.200 letter to her, and it kind of then grew and 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:17.240 took on a life of its own, which is why 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:19.760 we're talking about it today. Throughout the interview you'll also 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:22.440 hear him refer to his girlfriend, that is who is 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:25.320 talking about in this context. Just a warning that Adam 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:27.320 does tend to swear a bit. You may hear some 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:30.200 curse words throughout the interview. It's nothing too crazy, but 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:31.880 if you have kids in the car, this is maybe 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:34.200 one that you want to come back to later. So 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:38.080 without further Ado, let's get into it. Adam, welcome to 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:38.680 the Daily OZZ. 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:40.560 Thank you, thank you for having me. It's a beautiful, 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:42.479 beautiful guff you got me in here. 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:45.320 Thank you, thank you. That's very kind of you to say. So. Look, 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:48.320 we're talking today because your song Dancing Too has just 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:51.600 gone to number one on the Australian Singles charts. What 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.240 does it mean in twenty twenty five to have that 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:55.000 sort of success. 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:56.960 It's a solid quest, my guy. 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:01.560 It's funny because you know, in this day and age, 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:03.680 it's quite hard to know, you know, how to kind 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:06.120 of make a song connect in any way, you know, 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:07.799 there's no real rhyme or reason anymore. 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:10.000 The Old Guard is kind of out. 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:13.159 There's an independent release, you know, there's no label backing, 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:16.760 and to see it resonate in this way but then 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:20.360 carry its own kind of steam and become its own thing, 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:22.320 it's an incredible thing. 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:25.560 I don't really have words because to me, it's kind 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:26.320 of be on the song. 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:29.320 Now people are soundtracking it for, you know, their babies 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:34.279 being born, their marriages, people passing away, people beating cancer, 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:38.040 all these things. It seems like this all encompassing scope 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.520 of humanity soundtracked by this song, and I'm just I'm 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:42.320 sitting back and watching the ride and just going, this 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:47.280 is nice to see some wholesome positivity and joy on 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:48.039 social media. 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:51.000 Yeah, it's very special. I am personally saw it for 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:52.359 the first time on TikTok. 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:53.040 Yeah. 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.720 At what point in the recording process do you start 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:57.800 thinking about social media? Like is it with you in 0:05:57.839 --> 0:05:59.760 the studio? Is it something that comes after. 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:03.200 I think it should never come into play in the studio. 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:08.800 And it's funny because you know, I've been grateful enough 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:11.440 to say that music has been my job. I've been 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:15.080 doing it for like almost twenty years now. Professionally, and 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:17.600 you know, there's so many moments in the studio when 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:21.200 you're making something and there'll be someone who will be. 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:23.920 Like, oh yeah, like that'll be like a TikTok, you. 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:25.720 Know, and it's like, as soon as that's even brought 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.200 into the space, I feel like you may as well 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:29.840 just shoot the song in the head and throw it 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:32.480 out of the window, because I'd like, this song's a 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:33.360 good example of that. 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:34.640 This is this song was a love letter. 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:36.640 I wrote this as a love letter to my girlfriend, 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:38.560 and there was never a moment where I was like, 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:40.280 this is going to be a song that's released. It's 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:42.200 going to be a gift to my girlfriend that I love. 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:45.640 And through that process, I don't think there is any 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:49.920 space for thinking about the optics of people on TikTok 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:54.960 or you know, the optics of radio people or anything 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:58.719 like that that do come into one's mind when creating music. 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:01.240 Due to the commerce side of things, I don't know. 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:03.640 I think it's connected because it was just a love letter, 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:06.599 you know, But as far as the montages and compilations 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:10.360 of like people having these beautiful life moments, I've got 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:13.440 nothing to do with that. That's like, that's organic and 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:16.680 it's also just like I wouldn't know how to orchestrate 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:19.200 that if I tried, you know what I mean? What 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:21.080 I do know how to orchestrate is me dancing like 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:23.000 a dickhead in front of a camera. And I think 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:26.960 my favorite corners of the internet, as I think most 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.000 people should be other fun ones where it gets a 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:31.679 bit silly, and it's easy to get silly on TikTok, 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:31.960 and I. 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:33.120 Do enjoy that a lot. 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:35.640 Yeah, well you look at doing it, so thank you, 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.080 it's working, thank you. I want to turn now to 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:40.560 the charts. You've had a lot of chart success over 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.400 the years with picking Duck for someone who isn't in 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:46.880 the music industry. Why should anyone care about charts? And 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:50.800 does something like a chart topping album lead to more opportunities, 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.120 bigger budgets, festival bookings, things like that? 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:54.520 Solid question. 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:57.840 Yet again, I think any artists, where they like to 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:01.120 admit it or not, once flower at some point, you know, 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:03.480 you put a lot into a song or an album, 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:06.760 into your work, and then it's nice to be recognized 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:11.360 by the the powers that be, so to speak. And 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:12.840 I think you know there's a lot of people on 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:15.840 those boards, whether that's the Grammy Committee or that you know, 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:18.120 the ARIA Board. These are people that have really like 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:23.240 they've dedicated their lives to the music and the artists 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:24.840 that are in the sphere in that time and what's 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:28.880 happening within the culture, and it's kind of like, you know, 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:31.120 it's kind of just getting that, like, you know, we 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:34.360 see her, and we recognize that that is of quality 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:36.440 and of substance that we want to represent. 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:37.880 It's also just. 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:43.160 A representative figure of the data of saying, hey, well 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:45.320 you're up there because that many people listening to your 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:47.560 shit right now. So that's cool in the sense of 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:50.840 like whoa, what the fuck? That's crazy, But for me personally, 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:53.520 it hits on the deeper level just because, like I said, 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:55.839 I mean, I've never had a number one before and 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:59.600 this is completely independent, there's no label, and it all 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:02.680 happened for the people, you know, it wasn't me, you know, 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.840 like it just started going crazy, Like I thought my 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:08.920 phone was fucking glitching when I saw the videos start 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:12.800 going and then that kind of spiraled into people really 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:14.760 connecting with the song and that's a beautiful thing. So 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:17.120 to see it go number one, I was like, this 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:20.360 is insane. You know, but I mean what it means 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:22.520 to chart. I'm not sure because it's my first time, 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.079 so I still don't really know. Maybe in ten years 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:26.800 if I get another one, then I'll have a better 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:27.679 grasp on it, you know. 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:30.120 Yeah, Okay, we'll circle back, We'll do another phone circle back. 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:33.720 Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, perfect. Well, this month we've actually 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.000 seen some major changes to the way that the ARIA 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:39.040 charts are calculated. So I'm not sure if you're sorry, 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:41.319 but yep, starting from this week, the main charts have 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:43.760 been limited to just focus on songs from the past 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:44.200 two years. 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:46.120 Yeah. The idea there being. 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:49.280 That it is trying to better reflect contemporary music listening habits. 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:51.880 That means that legacy acts like Crowdit House, who were 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:55.240 number one last week now no longer on the same chart. 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:56.000 They've been moved. 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:58.640 Why do you think they've made those changes. 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:01.280 I can't answer why they've done that because I don't 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:03.160 know why. But why I think they should have done 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:05.560 it a while ago, and now it's great that they've 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:09.679 done it is because we all romanticize legacy and nostalgia 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:12.080 so much so to a fault. 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:13.000 Very Australian. 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:16.719 It's very Australian right, And there's nothing wrong with romanticizing 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:17.120 the past. 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:18.240 We all do it, we're all human. 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:22.960 But it really becomes to a fault when we're so 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.280 caught up on the past and when not looking at 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.440 what's happening on our doorstep right now. And there are 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:31.000 so many talented Australian artists that we'll never get that 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:34.520 shine because we're so hung up on crowded House. I mean, 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:37.280 the first of all, they're Kiwis and they're incredible, and 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:38.160 so ACDC. 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:42.359 They're incredible. You know, these are really really. 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:46.280 Magical artists that have contributed great art to the world 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:49.520 at large. But at the same time, you know, how 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:54.920 can we have another ACDC or crowded house without actually 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:58.560 nourishing what's here right now. So by doing that, I 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:01.680 think it's incredible. You know, it's giving new artists a 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.360 spot and a place, and I think there's a lot 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:07.160 more work to be done in that whole space, you know, 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:10.600 And I'm by no means the gatekeeper on any of that, 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:14.240 but I think it's definitely a large step in the 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:18.880 right direction as far as celebrating what's actually here right now, 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.720 especially in this country. There's so many great artists and 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:25.120 for a long time. This country has been caught up 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:28.240 on like, you know, the old guard of it all. 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:33.360 And that's cool, that's cool, but it ain't moving things forward. 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:35.400 And I think there's a way that we can do both. 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:38.120 You know, we definitely can do both. I mean, they 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:41.280 do that in America, you know, and they do it 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:44.240 in the UK. You know, it shows progress and even 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:46.640 though it might be you know, a fair bit o 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:48.120 a due, that's okay, it's good. 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:49.400 To see the people recognizing that. 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:53.720 And it's things like that that will really propel new music. 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:54.160 You know. 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:56.240 Those things are the things that really move the needle 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:59.480 as far as I concern. So I'm ecstatic for new 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:00.880 artists in sense for sure. 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:03.640 So that's an overwhelming endorsement of the changes, which is 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:06.679 great because I did actually reach out to Aria and 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:09.960 the CEO, Annabelle heard told me that dancing to taking 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:11.680 the number one spot this week is one of the 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:14.200 strongest signs that their new system is working. 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:16.240 I'll tell you good though, an absolute. 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:19.040 Win, she said. Kellie Holliday hitting number one is exactly 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:21.520 the kind of breakthrough these changes were designed to make 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:22.400 more visible. 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:24.080 What do you make of that? 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:27.000 That's awesome? First and foremost, that's cool. I didn't know 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:32.120 that you spoke to them. Yes, that's cool. I think, yeah, 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:35.480 it is interesting because for me, I'm really ecstatic about 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:37.200 it all as far as the charts. Back to your 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:40.320 question before and now to answer this one, it's like, 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:43.520 you know, this was really independent, This was a really 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:46.280 independent release, and a lot of people when they heard 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:49.440 the album and this song said we can't touch it, 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:50.959 we don't know what to do with it, we don't 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:52.520 think this is going to work here or there. 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:54.080 And we were like, okay, you know, that's cool whatever, 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:55.480 We're going to put it out anyway. 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:57.520 And then just kind of see those same people come 0:12:57.520 --> 0:12:59.199 around and be like, oh no, no, no, we get it now. 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:01.640 It's just interesting thing that it kind of proves the 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:04.880 point that a lot of people won't know what they 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:07.280 think is good until it's really there and in front 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:09.120 of them, and they really kind of force to look 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:11.200 at it a bit. And I don't blame anyone for that. 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:14.160 I think that's human nature or human error for lack 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:17.160 of a better term. But I think it's kind of 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:19.920 historically cool in a way that like the first time 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:22.440 that they brought in that new rule where they've got 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:23.880 to get rid of the old stuff and it's got 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.320 to be new. I got to swing in there with 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:28.680 an independent release, no less, because you know, if you 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:30.640 look at those charts, a lot of them are with 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:34.720 major labels. So I'm really proud of that because it 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:37.880 shows that, like grass roots level, I think the people 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.360 are really dictating what's hold now more than ever, obviously 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:45.240 with social media, but to see that kind of influence 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:48.679 from the people bleed into these larger discussions such as 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:52.760 charts and what have you, it's like, it's dope, it's dope. 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:54.880 It feels like a bit of a I don't. 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:56.520 Want to use the word revolution, that's a bit heavy, 0:13:56.559 --> 0:14:00.800 but it feels like a pleasant change, a new eraror so. 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:03.160 I think the idea that they had with the changes 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:05.920 was that it would give more visibility to new releases 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:09.080 like Dancing Too and other songs that are on the chart. Now, 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:11.199 how do you think that turning up on the charts 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:13.280 trickles down to the everyday listener like me? 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:14.840 Solid quest? 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:17.640 I think, I mean, I don't know, I guess if 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:22.720 something is up on the charts, then streaming services and 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:26.120 radio you would hope at least they would then be like, Okay, 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:27.840 we should probably give this a spin. You know, we 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:30.080 should probably give this a bit of shine or a 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:32.560 bit of time in the sun, which would then trickle 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:32.960 down to. 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:33.600 The person who. 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:35.920 You know, we all use streaming services in this day 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:40.680 and age, but I think it's representative of what's happening 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:44.320 within pop culture as well as you know now it's 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:48.120 like TikTok and Instagram, those things dictate pop culture fully. 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:50.360 You know, there's memes made about you know, what happened 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:52.960 to the VMA's, and that's all part of it. And 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:55.640 then through that those songs get streams and it kind 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:57.800 of trickles back and it's all just part of the 0:14:57.960 --> 0:14:59.560 discussion around pop culture. 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:00.440 You know. 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:03.800 I can't answer what a chart position would do in 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:07.280 that sense. I just think it's more so representative of 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:11.400 where that piece of music is sitting in the zeitgeist 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:12.080 of culture. 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:12.960 And that's cool. 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:15.400 Like if that's a marker for that, then fuck yeah, 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:17.360 you know, so be it, because there should be little 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:19.720 markers I think. You know, even though it's cool to 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:23.680 be airy fairy about things, I'm a pretty strong supporter 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:26.200 of like, yeah, we should have a bit of a bit. 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:27.680 Of a system somewhere. You know. 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:31.080 That kind of just is like, let's talk about sales 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:33.800 because you know, speaking of ACDC, they had the second 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:36.560 highest selling record of all time with Back in. 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:38.680 Black, which is fucking wild. 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:40.560 I only found that out like a year ago, and 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:43.360 I'm born and raised Camber, Australia. It's like, we should 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:46.040 be talking about that shit more, you know, which is 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:50.160 interesting because we're so in love with legacy, yet we don't. 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:52.880 If I was taught that shit in school, I'd be 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:55.480 fucking angus young junior ten years ago, you know what 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:58.200 I mean. Like, but these are the things that are 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:01.600 super important, and like stats like that do make things 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:02.840 more believable. 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:04.800 You know, you kind of need a number every now 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:07.120 and then to be like, oh shit, that's legit. We're 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:08.520 in a weird time with music in general. 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:11.880 It's an exciting time, but a strange time nonetheless, because 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:13.960 nobody really knows where to pick it. You can't really 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:16.920 you know, everyone's pissing in the wind and in the 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:19.440 dark at the same down time, which is fun. 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.880 That's what I think is interesting about this whole discussion 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:27.400 is that bodies like Aria grappling with habit measure. What 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:29.840 is popular right now. It used to be a lot easier. 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:33.520 What's on the radio? What are people buying physically in stores? 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.240 So it is like one that we will continue to 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:39.600 watch as it changes. Just to your point about people 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:43.160 discovering your music through social media, Yeah, can I ask 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:45.640 how do you personally discover new music? 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:46.880 Ah? 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:50.120 Word of mouth seems to be the one way I 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:52.080 discovered in many ways, but the one way that I've 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:55.560 found I really listened to that piece of music and 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:58.240 I go, you know, I'll give it my all is 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:00.640 word of mouth through people that I really fuck with, 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:03.680 like people that I love, or you know, people that 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:05.760 I look up to, or people that I really I 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:09.359 know that their taste level is like their reference points 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:11.879 are fucking bang on because I know they're not going 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:12.560 to give me a dud. 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:15.160 And if it's something I haven't heard of, I'll run 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:15.600 to that. 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:17.679 Piece of music and I'll sit there and absorb it 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:20.520 all with my eyes closed, and then I'll be like yeah, okay, 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:22.720 and then I'll fucking hyper fixate on it for a week. 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:25.160 And that's a good way to digest music. I mean, 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:27.359 that's my way of digesting music. Everyone's different. 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:29.960 What's going Number One on Adam Heade's phone right now. 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:30.800 Well, it's funny. 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:33.000 Right now, I'm just listening to Lennar Cohen back to 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:34.960 back to back. I think Lennard co I'm pretty convinced 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:36.879 Lennar Cohen is the closest thing we have to God. 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:40.560 Big call, big call, but a true call in my eyes. 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:41.560 I just wanted to. 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:45.800 Wrap up by talking about the future. The ARI CEO 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:48.040 also told us that it can be difficult for local 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:50.480 artists to break through and what she called a competitive 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:55.240 global music landscape. So there's probably teenagers listening to the 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:59.000