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Speaker 1: Small Business, Paul Kirby.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie. First up, Happy International Women's Day, to yourself,

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Speaker 2: Oh thanks mate.

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Speaker 1: We are getting lots of lovely messages as well for

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Speaker 3: Curbs yeah, yeah, not really brought. We had a great

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we most certainly do.

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Speaker 1: Now, Minister, let's talk about this Recreational Fishing Development Plan.

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Speaker 2: What's the aim of us.

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Speaker 3: The aim of it is to have a really clear

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Speaker 3: snapshot for the next ten years. It'll be revamped of

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Speaker 3: You know, where they like to go, how they go

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we had him on about that one last week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's amazing really, so they have delved down into

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Speaker 3: And the book of was boys from Fishing and Outdoor

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Speaker 1: And now just on that, obviously two hundred and seventy

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Speaker 3: Well, we know that we've got to continue to concentrate

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Speaker 1: How are things going with that, I mean, has there

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So people from my office don't don't lead those

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Speaker 1: Now just on the on the survey or the plan,

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Speaker 1: But people, I'm sure that your wife isn't going to

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Speaker 1: I do want to ask you Easter Sunday. We know

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Speaker 3: In a small jurisdiction, like there's some places that might

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Speaker 1: Is it going to be something that the government does

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was one of the things that we've heard

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Speaker 1: having a well, it's having its effect on locals and

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Speaker 3: I think there's absolutely no doubt that the more expendable

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Speaker 2: It's bloody hard.

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Speaker 3: One of the most expensive places still live, we know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to put it bluntly, it is bloody hard. It's

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Speaker 1: this morning. We know that you know that there's always

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Speaker 3: Extremely often, and she was, you know, as a family member.

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Speaker 3: As you know, I know whenever you go anywhere you

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Speaker 3: obviously thoughts go out to the people that are involved

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Speaker 3: in that very recent incident. Nobody likes to hear of

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Speaker 3: things like that going on, and you know, will continue

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Speaker 2: Your course of the year, Minnesota. We are going to

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Speaker 2: have to leave it there.

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Speaker 1: I will try and catch up with you as soon

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Speaker 1: an update on the EBAs.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for your time this morning, much appreciated.

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Speaker 3: Happy to come on again next week.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Katie, thank you