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Speaker 1: the line is the opposition Leah. Leah Finocchiaro. Good morning

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie and to your listener, Lea.

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Speaker 1: Are the federal budget indeed handed down last night? So

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Speaker 1: what was your reaction?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I thought it was incredible and it really just

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Speaker 2: And yet the Morrison government is going to be able

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Speaker 2: the Gunner government have completely failed on. And so I

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I know we've got plenty of criticisms of

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Speaker 3: With the Feds to deliver for territorians.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's no question, and what's really important is that

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Speaker 1: Well, we certainly know that an election is not far

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Speaker 1: politics though, because we know. Yesterday during the show, the

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Speaker 1: I understand that you've welcomed this investigation. You and I

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Speaker 2: I think it has just vindicated the concerns of our police,

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Speaker 2: So we welcome the investigation, we welcome the time period

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Speaker 2: His position is completely untenable, Katie. The fact that he

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Speaker 1: Lea, do you genuinely believe that he has done something

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Speaker 2: Without question, he should stand aside. Other state leaders have

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Speaker 1: On Monday and Tuesday, we've focused on the show about

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Speaker 4: Introduce legislation this week that we hope will pass the

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Speaker 4: But it does change the legislation from the Commonwealth because

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Speaker 2: into that model. Can We've seen very little detail about

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Speaker 2: what work has been done by the Gunner government of

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Speaker 2: that on that, but it's a very obvious direction in

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Speaker 2: which we have to go. If there are communities out

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Speaker 2: there who want to have social clubs and other types

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Speaker 2: of liquor licenses, then why shouldn't they And it's very

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Speaker 2: important that this legislation, you know, meet that expectation.

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Speaker 1: Leah, are you able to tell us very briefly what

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Speaker 1: that motion that you're going to be presenting in Parliament

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Speaker 1: today is or will we have to wait and see?

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: No, it just basically tackles this exact issue that antisocial

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Speaker 2: behavior is rife across the territory. It's causing you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean the number of business owners I speak to

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Speaker 2: I have to go and sweep out the front of

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Speaker 2: their shop every morning, kative, with all sorts of you know,

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Speaker 2: you can just imagine the types of things sweeping away,

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Speaker 2: the type of violence, the disruption, all of those types

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Speaker 2: of things we're hearing, particularly from retailers in the mall.

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Speaker 2: Of course, crime is at eye watering levels. I don't

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Speaker 2: need to tell people about that. They're living and breathing

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Speaker 2: the destruction of this Gunner Government's week approach to crime.

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Speaker 2: So our motion will be focused on that and making

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Speaker 2: sure that we have a robust debate in Parliament about

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Speaker 2: what measures need to happen to drive down this issue

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Speaker 2: and ensure we have a safe community.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good idea. It's something that's top of mind for

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Speaker 1: a lot of our listeners.

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Speaker 3: I know that for sure.

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Speaker 1: Leah Finocchio, the Opposition leader, we always appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: Thanks very much for speaking with us this morning. Thank you,

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Speaker 3: take care, Thank you.