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Speaker 1: If you want to know what's happening on the local

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Speaker 1: political landscape, Katie Wolf has it covered on three sixty.

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Speaker 2: Every one is listening Mix one O four point nine.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one oh four point nine

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Speaker 1: is three sixty now. As I mentioned earlier, unfortunately, this

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Speaker 1: issue of crime, it's on the agenda again. Yesterday we

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Speaker 1: spoke about the situation that manual at Fanny Bay IgA

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Speaker 1: had to endure. This morning, a Karama business has told

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory News that a group of up to

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Speaker 1: ten youths aged in their teens attempted to rob them

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Speaker 1: last week on Friday. Now, this beauty salon at the

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Speaker 1: Karama shopping center was forced to close its doors and

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Speaker 1: take its service to customers' homes or to home after

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Speaker 1: an attempted theft shook those staff as.

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Speaker 2: It would now.

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Speaker 1: Joining me on the line to talk more about this

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Speaker 1: and plenty of other things is the opposition leader Leofanocchiario.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Good morning, Katie, and to your listener.

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Speaker 1: Leah Firstley, what was your reaction upon seeing that vision

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Speaker 1: at Fanny Bay Supermarket on the weekend.

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Speaker 3: It's absolutely horrific, Katie, and I just don't understand why

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Speaker 3: Territorians have to wait until May for the Gunner government

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Speaker 3: to do something about crime. This issue is affecting every

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Speaker 3: Territorian's life. At the moment. We've had just I mean,

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Speaker 3: when you open the newspaper today is horrific the number

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Speaker 3: we could have started to pass laws that the Opposition

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Speaker 1: Well, Leah, when Parliament last sat, as you just mentioned,

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Speaker 1: you did try to get that legislation passed which would

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Speaker 1: have seen those bail laws changed and the presumption of

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Speaker 1: bail refused as I understand it now. This morning, it's

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Speaker 1: also being reported that the sixteen year old allegedly involved

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Speaker 1: mother wearing an electronic monitoring bracelet. How would the legislative

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Speaker 3: So if that young person, or if a young person,

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Speaker 3: our legislation meant that if you're a repeat offender, so

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Speaker 3: two or more offenses in two years, all were on

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Speaker 1: All right, Lea, I will play you a little bit

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Speaker 2: Take a listen. Is that your priority?

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Speaker 1: Realistically given what we've all gone through and you know

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Speaker 4: So that's about as simple as the timeline gets introduction

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Speaker 1: But your priority is that May is when this is

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the gazetle that usually pretty soon after that, so

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Speaker 2: Leah, when do you think this is going to happen?

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Speaker 3: And the Chiefiness is dead right about one thing. When

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Speaker 3: And that's exactly what has happened since the Gunner government

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Speaker 1: All right, lea, let's move along, because there's been quite

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Speaker 3: This is a huge concern, and I'd love to know

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Speaker 3: the reality is their alcohol policies are not working. We've

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Speaker 3: It's not okay for the government to not want to

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Speaker 3: harm at all. So this is a government asleep at

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Speaker 3: the wheels. Its priorities are all wrong, and its territory

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Speaker 3: as you suffer.

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Speaker 1: Well, Leah, we've got a lot of text messages coming through.

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Speaker 1: I will just take you to one that says, with

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Speaker 1: regards to crime in Karama, it's out of control and

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Speaker 1: and the local member needs to start representing the hard

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Speaker 3: Well look, look, I obviously have to disagree Kati, but

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Speaker 1: about the government's announcement of two commissioners to win private

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Speaker 1: Economic Reconstruction Commission. The recommendation, as I understand it was

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Speaker 1: Why do you think that this is a bad idea.

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Speaker 3: Look, the Turk Report said they needed we needed a

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Speaker 3: This government has got team and the Territory Economic Reconstruction Commission, Langoland,

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Speaker 3: Rebound and TEE any other number of teams it's put

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Speaker 3: together to advise it on what to do in our economy,

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Speaker 3: and yet we continue to see failure after failure and

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Speaker 3: has already convoluted and complicated layers of approvals and teams

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Speaker 3: is just it's a joke. These people do not have

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Speaker 3: any additional legislative powers. They don't have any additional powers

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Speaker 3: I mean it shows me the government has no confidence

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Speaker 3: high level, high paid jobs. How much do you re

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Speaker 3: outcome well?

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Speaker 1: How much do you reckon that these positions? Is it

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Speaker 1: going to be paid well?

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Speaker 3: The Chief Ministers said in the paper today around two

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Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars. But I find that hard to believe.

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Speaker 3: They must be only working part time because there's a

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Speaker 3: number of people in Investment and Tea, the Department of Business,

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Speaker 3: to then corral everybody else and impose some sort of

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Speaker 3: authority is beyond me, Katie.

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Speaker 2: Then when you talk.

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Speaker 1: About like obviously they're going to then have a team,

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Speaker 1: is it you're understanding that they are they're currently existing

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Speaker 1: roles that are going to form that team, or are

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Speaker 1: we talking new jobs here?

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Speaker 3: Well, it sounds to me like they're just pulling ten

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Speaker 3: But they're just a coordination and facilitation role. I mean,

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Speaker 3: what around government c and departmental CEO is doing if

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Speaker 3: not coordinating investment into the territory. I mean, this just

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Speaker 3: comes with such a stark contrast to what the opposition

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Speaker 3: proposed in Again, we had legislation debated last sinnings two

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Speaker 3: weeks ago where we wanted to create the Territory Coordinator,

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Speaker 3: a separate statutory authority with real legislative teeth. The Territory

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Speaker 3: Coordinator would have had actual decision making power to fast

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Ler.

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Speaker 1: Just want to take I just want to take the

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Speaker 1: this from the perspective that they've implemented one of the

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Speaker 1: recommendations of the Turk. Who do you think, Well, let

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Speaker 1: me finish the question, who do you think or what

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Speaker 1: type of person do you think should then fill these roles.

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Speaker 3: I think what we're going to see is jobs for

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Speaker 3: the boys, Katie. I think this is two highly paid roles.

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Speaker 3: They're going to be high profile labor people parachuted in

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Speaker 3: much like Team and T was with Claire Martin, and

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Speaker 3: we're going to see more jobs for the boys. We're

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Speaker 3: going to see no actual impact on the ground. These

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Speaker 3: people have no power, no legislative backing. They're going to

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Speaker 3: be writing reports for the Chief Minister which are going

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Speaker 3: to gather us with the Anglan and the Turk Report,

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Speaker 3: and nothing's going to change because ultimately they haven't changed

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Speaker 3: the structure of a breaking system.

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Speaker 1: Well, Leah Finocchio, the opposition leader, it is going to

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Speaker 1: be interesting to see how it all rolls out.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for your time this morning.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Take care everyone,