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Speaker 1: Now, as we heard on the show on Friday, a

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Speaker 1: those designs for which have been quite well received the

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Speaker 1: Fraan Japanees as we've spoken about, but many aren't happy

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Speaker 1: in on this debate now circulating a change dot or

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Speaker 1: petition on Friday urging the Council to think twice about

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Speaker 1: their final pick for the public artwork. Now, the Lord

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Speaker 1: convat stalas Con. Have you heard the concerns being raised.

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Speaker 2: Of course I have. I've read the.

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Speaker 3: Facebook page and everything else. But again, honest to you,

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Speaker 3: public Carjo was controversial. We've seen it before and we'll

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Speaker 3: see it again. The problem is this is not a

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Speaker 3: memorial for Siklan.

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Speaker 4: Tracy, but you guys said in a pressure release it was.

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Speaker 3: It was actually it was a stuff up because it

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Speaker 1: To be a moment literally, the City of Darwin, in

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Speaker 1: collaboration with Cyclone Tracy Commemoration Advisory Committees, please to release

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Speaker 1: the design of a permanent monument to commemorate the fiftieth

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Speaker 4: That's on your own website.

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Speaker 2: Yes it was, and it probably could be stated better.

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Speaker 3: What happened is the committee that was formed, the Cyclone

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Speaker 1: So these pressure release literally says the Cyclone Tracy Commemoration Monument.

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Speaker 4: You are you're quoted in it.

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Speaker 1: You say, the Cyclone Tracy Commemoration Monument aims to recognize

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Speaker 1: the effects this devastating event had on our community.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not going to be a monument.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be a public art, a piece of

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Speaker 2: And that was the original.

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Speaker 1: So what is this? Is it a monument for Cyclone Tracing?

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Speaker 1: So why why has it been referred to.

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Speaker 2: With you properly not state it right?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we're getting seven So seven hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, so public artwork for what public art.

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Speaker 3: The same way that the jellyfish in front of the

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Speaker 1: So is our funding from the federal government in any

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you, and I have said before, this is

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Speaker 3: in this point. Richard Craig, he has spoken and asked,

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Speaker 3: the committee has actually agreed to actually approve this doing how.

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Speaker 1: Much is the how much is the council contributing to

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Speaker 3: Well, that's where it's actually three doors come from the

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Speaker 1: So to me, I think it sounds absurd now that

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Speaker 1: at Bundela Beach and we're spending seven hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm sorry, Katie that it was a decision by

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Speaker 4: No, No, the committee or was it the council.

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Speaker 2: No, it was the committee. The committee.

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Speaker 3: They wanted kinetic structure and a memorial east Point. The

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Speaker 4: And so it's not in any way linked to Cyclo.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now you're talking about the cost of a public

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Speaker 2: Now that does take.

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Speaker 1: Can you read how can you see though, how people

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sorry, Katie.

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Speaker 3: Actually, what the council is investing in a serious amount

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Speaker 3: This as events organized by Down Council. There also grants

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Speaker 2: So it's not only just another.

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Speaker 1: I'm that I'm not doubting that. I'm more happy to

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Speaker 4: I'm sure you're saying your face, don't.

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Speaker 3: Tell you about other monuments and other public art in Darwin.

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Speaker 3: The Mermaid in the esplant costs five hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 3: If you think that, actually you can go and pick

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Speaker 4: Dollars thinking that you are.

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Speaker 1: But can you see how people are questioning the priorities

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Speaker 1: Everybody said it is for cyclone Tracybody they.

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Speaker 3: Can say, they can say, and we said at nauseum

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Speaker 1: Now like okay, so let me just go, let me

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Speaker 4: That is what they want. That's where they want their

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Speaker 3: As a committee that includes four cycling trail survivors, that

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Speaker 4: Approved by you. You're saying that that's why the decision

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Speaker 3: Process, it's not dissip made by me. I can't make

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Speaker 3: this decision. It was made by the committee forward to cancel.

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Speaker 1: Council agreed, and so you're itvy.

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Speaker 3: Public art now in Darwin's very good, and as we've

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Speaker 2: Some people like it and some people not like it. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: Look, you know, like I said to you last week,

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Speaker 4: They're actually quite beautiful. They look nice. I get that

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Speaker 1: Art is subjective, but what I'm hearing really loudly and

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Speaker 2: It's the point, and that is point. Despite what people say.

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Speaker 2: Now you know how much it will cost counsel.

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Speaker 3: To actually help put that that monument more on two

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Speaker 4: So it's challenging the.

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Speaker 3: Council that's not putting money there they want to. Richard,

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Speaker 2: Well, he couldn't because there were too many problems. So

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Speaker 3: Not only but it's going to be environmental issues. So

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Speaker 3: he decided to bring it to the land. Council will

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Speaker 3: consider next week about it and we will accept the

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Speaker 2: And that's what's happened.

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Speaker 2: I cannot redirect. I cannot regard that because they're not money.

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Speaker 4: So it's it's all we're all.

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Speaker 3: Look, some people like it, other people don't like it.

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Speaker 2: Council followed your process.

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Speaker 3: We cannot just say, oh we don't like your process,

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Speaker 4: Look, people on the text sign are furious this morning.

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Speaker 2: I've read it and I can see that people don't

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Speaker 1: One. Look like the people are feeling like they've been disrespected.

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Speaker 1: They feel like they're not being respected as Cyclone Tracy survivors.

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Speaker 3: You know, sorry, we're putting a number of events for

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Speaker 2: We actually plan to make this event a natural event.

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Speaker 3: And the reason we planned that we will planting because

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Speaker 3: we want to bring here the Chieft, the Prime Minister,

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Speaker 2: Red Shield to be here. They're not going to come

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Speaker 4: To have to bring it well.

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Speaker 3: twenty fourth. Council is starting put money and start having

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Speaker 3: events on the sixteenth of July all the way to

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Speaker 1: Okay, So, com when you talk about the committee approving

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Speaker 1: you know, he has no issue with the council redeveloping

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Speaker 3: It's not Chyclon traation. And Richard actually took his credit.

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Speaker 3: He said, look, it's a good idea that the kinetic

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Speaker 3: We're redeveloping Bandilla also is very close to the museum,

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Speaker 3: and people will if they've got the museum, they're most

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Speaker 3: likely to go there. Or I clearly delineate who's doing

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Speaker 3: what they're doing the memorial. We're doing the public card.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 1: Look, I think I've made it pretty clear how upset

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Speaker 1: with that. I know we are being slammed with messages

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Speaker 1: to move along because there's a bit to cover off.

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Speaker 3: The media members have been targeted, myself been targeted now

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Speaker 3: and it's not just gentle in what complay or you

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Speaker 2: Minister and a failure and arrogant.

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Speaker 3: And they call U great on social media, ungrateful migrant.

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Speaker 4: That's not fair.

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Speaker 2: Not to mention that typical Greeks. Look when have to

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Speaker 4: Another one ever can Doin that.

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Speaker 3: Beginning, very emotional and I asked people take a depress,

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Speaker 3: be in its point. This is a public art sculpture.

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Speaker 1: And so the council is contributing two hundred thousand to

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Speaker 2: The thing is against our land.

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Speaker 3: If we're going to it might cost two hundred, might

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Speaker 3: cost a little bit less, might cost a bit more.

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Speaker 3: We're not going to argue about it. We want to

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Speaker 3: see a memorial for Tracy. Tracy's a significant event for Darwin.

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Speaker 3: And you know what the other thing is if Darwin

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Speaker 1: Well, and I think that's why people are so passionate

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Speaker 1: about this corn. They are so passionate about it, and

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much clearer I can make it

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Speaker 3: Well, you want to reconsider you don't want the public monument.

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Speaker 3: Well there's other people, silent people that don't.

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Speaker 2: They actually says no, I don't mind about that that one.

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Speaker 3: I like that one, but afraid to come out because

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Speaker 3: they've got to be torn to pieciously.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I always say on this show, I'm more

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Speaker 4: It does not bother me. When you like it, you

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Speaker 4: follow the very quick one.

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Speaker 1: Last time you and I spoke, which was a couple

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure if you recall, but.

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Speaker 2: Look I didn't come back to me.

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Speaker 3: When I get the information, I will send them back

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Speaker 3: to you pert certainly, and thank you. If anybody else

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Speaker 3: has any other issues, please raise them and we follow them.

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Speaker 4: Look.

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Speaker 1: Another one rough sleepers in Wilna and also at East Point,

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Speaker 1: literally trolleys full of stuff and rubbish, across the road

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Speaker 4: Is that something that the councils.

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Speaker 3: Are managers and our arrangers now looking at the trolleys,

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Speaker 3: We've got the power to confiscate trolleys and then tell the.

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Speaker 2: Supermarkets you want a trolley back, here's the fine.

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Speaker 1: On the point, because I have noticed there's a lot

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Speaker 3: Kate, how many times we said before the people that

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Speaker 3: come here is because you put restriction and alcohol supply

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Speaker 2: But that's what happens.

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Speaker 3: I have to say that there's not as much activity

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Speaker 3: be in other places. But if I'm aware of that.

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Speaker 3: We go cleaning nearly every day and we're using low

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Speaker 3: security prisoners also to help us clean.

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Speaker 2: Up the place.

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Speaker 1: How long does it sort of take in the morning.

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Speaker 1: It's for counsel to be able to clean some of

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Speaker 3: Our outreach group is out in the streets by six

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Speaker 3: clanic place up. Now, the problem is if there's a problem,

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Speaker 3: go and clean up. But if you look at our city,

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Speaker 3: it is clean at the moment. Our green belts are

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Speaker 3: very very good, and we're very.

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Speaker 2: Pleased that we've we've got a beautiful green city.

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Speaker 4: Contact Scar's good to speak with you. This appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.