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Speaker 1: The Wiggles acknowledge the traditional custodians of country throughout Australia

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Speaker 1: and their connections to land, see and community. We pay

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Speaker 1: our respects to elders, past, present and emerging.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Wiggle Talk, a podcast for parents. My name

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Speaker 2: is Lucky Gillespie and I.

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Speaker 3: Am sorry I went to interrupt No.

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Speaker 4: Billspie, So yeah, I'm Sibon Price Loggie.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Siban Hello, great to see you.

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Speaker 2: Oh you too now, Simo. Today we are talking about

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Speaker 2: traveling internationally with the toddler years and why it can

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Speaker 2: feel so much bigger than just booking a trip and

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Speaker 2: getting on a.

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Speaker 4: Plane, because when you're traveling with a one year old,

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Speaker 4: you're not just going away. You're taking all the unpredictability

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Speaker 4: of everyday parenting and dropping it into a completely unfamiliar environment.

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Speaker 4: And that's exactly why so many parents put it in

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Speaker 4: the two hard basket for.

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Speaker 3: A few more years.

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Speaker 4: But before we get that this is related, because we

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Speaker 4: are about to go on tour, we are how are

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Speaker 4: you feeling about it?

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Speaker 3: Lockie?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I am really looking forward to getting to the

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Speaker 2: UK and doing what is complete sold out tour. I

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Speaker 2: love the UK, but I am look I'm anxious, yes, yeah,

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Speaker 2: feeling it. The family isn't coming. That's one of my

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Speaker 2: big anxious moments.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I'm talking breathing, I'm breathing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's anxiety obviously. I always feel it too. I mean,

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Speaker 4: Lots and Ashley are coming with me. So where because

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Speaker 4: it does fall over the school holidays, we could make

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Speaker 4: it work, yeah, you know, and it is easy because

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Speaker 4: we've only got one child, so that does make it

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Speaker 4: a lot easier than what you have to navigate and juggle.

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Speaker 4: But there are a lot of anxieties traveling normally, and

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Speaker 4: yet there you know, in the world at the moment,

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Speaker 4: it's a very unpredictable place, and so it does feel

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Speaker 4: even more unnerving hopping on planes and doing all that.

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Speaker 4: But we know that it's all fine, but you feel

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Speaker 4: quite anxious about it. Making sure you're playing as petrol.

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Speaker 2: Yes please, but yeah, I've got my travel crystals nowhere,

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Speaker 2: We're ready to go.

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Speaker 3: I am Where do you put them? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Just in my little rocksackle, I'll get them out, put

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Speaker 2: them next to me on the on the seat on

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Speaker 2: the plane when I wear around my neck. Oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: last tour, actually I bought that Saint Christopher, the travel God.

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Speaker 3: No, it's a protection.

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Speaker 2: Travel with protection.

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Speaker 3: Is that easier? Always wear protection around your neck? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: look I feel better wearing that protection around your neck. Yes,

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Speaker 3: that's good. Yeah it is a little little pendant. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: whatever works for you.

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Speaker 2: But we've got a lovely group of people that we

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Speaker 2: travel with and that always makes a better including this

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Speaker 2: lovely gentleman and his lovely wife we're today. We're joined

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Speaker 2: by a big strong John Appears and his wife, Yes,

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Speaker 2: who are about to head overseas with their beautiful little boy, Henry,

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Speaker 2: and we just wanted to talk to them about everything

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Speaker 2: that they're getting ready packing and how they're going to

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Speaker 2: get their head around traveling to the UK together.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Now they've already traveled with Henry before, so we're going

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Speaker 4: to talk about what they've learned, what takes the most thought,

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Speaker 4: what can catch you out, and what actually helps when

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Speaker 4: you're trying to make travel work with a toddler.

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Speaker 5: It's great to see you guys, John Jess, welcome to

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Speaker 5: We will talk.

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Speaker 6: Yes, she's cool, Thanks for having us.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for coming, and we're talking travel today. But first,

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Speaker 2: you have any cool memories of you traveling as kids

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Speaker 2: with your your families, cool.

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Speaker 3: Memories or painful memories.

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Speaker 6: Well, the first time we sort of went on a

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Speaker 6: flight overseas was when I was about sixteen because Mum

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Speaker 6: had crippling anxiety from flying. So my childhood was a

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Speaker 6: lot of road trips around Australia, mainly Queensland. What I

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Speaker 6: It'd always be like a summer trip, so beaches and Yeah.

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Speaker 6: The road trips were fun.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we were a road tripping family. We never flew anywhere.

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Speaker 4: My grandparents had a holiday house on the central coast

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Speaker 3: The car was always impressed, you know that.

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Speaker 4: Looking back for my dad, there's a lot of and

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Speaker 4: I probably feel it now to that anxiety about packing

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Speaker 5: Car in there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you think we were three kids and fitting

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Speaker 4: everything in like a Holden commodore like how Yeah, we

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Speaker 4: did a couple of trips to Perth and back. What

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? And they would have been

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Speaker 3: thermoises and.

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Speaker 5: It is impressive all the way to Perth from Sydney. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: we do that twice in the comedy days.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. We had a family friend who it's very fun.

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Speaker 4: We moved to Perth, so we went drove with him

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Speaker 4: wow in two different cars all the way and camped

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Speaker 4: along the way about seven eight nights, I think, camping

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Speaker 5: Speaking of camping, I got as far as my backyard

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Eastward grew up the road.

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Speaker 5: Run horse and cart. We camped in the backyard. We

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Speaker 5: had fun though, sitting up the tent with my brother

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Speaker 5: get the hose and stick it underneath the tent. Oh

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Speaker 5: there's a snake. Boys, there's a snap.

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Speaker 6: When you were asleep. Oh my god, I tried to

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Speaker 6: give you the real experience of camp I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what experience is giving us.

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Speaker 3: Did you ever do camping outside of the backyard?

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Speaker 5: No, not really.

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Speaker 6: That was enough.

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Speaker 5: That was probably it. We didn't want to travel after that.

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Speaker 5: That was traveling. Oh yeah, I didn't know get on

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Speaker 5: my first flight until I was about eighteen too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So now we travel a lot, and we're taking Henry

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Speaker 5: all around the world and he's been on over forty

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Speaker 4: I know, so well, this is you know, we've got

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Speaker 4: a big trip coming up to the UK. In the

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Speaker 4: UK two, which is for us as wiggles is really exciting.

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Speaker 4: But traveling is a family because loads and actually coming

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Speaker 4: with me as well, there's more anxiety involved.

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Speaker 5: Definitely.

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Speaker 4: Have you been preparing for this trip mentally for a

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Speaker 4: while about what to pack, what to do?

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Speaker 5: Like, well, you've been packing for four or five weeks.

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Speaker 6: The first time we went, I was super organized. The

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Speaker 6: suitcases were out a month in advance. Every day I

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Speaker 6: I thought, oh, this will be easy, We've done it before,

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Speaker 6: but I feel like I've left it a little too late.

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Speaker 6: That's cool, do I have enough clothes.

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Speaker 5: So we can always buy things along the way.

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Speaker 6: And yeah, well we'll be fine, but no, I probably

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Speaker 6: am organized. You just never feel quite ready. So every

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Speaker 6: I need researching.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, are the things that for Henry you

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Speaker 4: think we have to have this. This is because last

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Speaker 4: time we were on the road together, which was what

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Speaker 4: the moon, are there things you're thinking, Okay, we have

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Speaker 4: to bring this from home because this calms him, settles him,

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Speaker 4: He enjoys it.

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Speaker 3: There's certain things.

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Speaker 5: But we actually went and bought an iPad just for

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Speaker 5: you learn it up for worst case emergency.

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Speaker 4: That's ashes are the only time I've said this a

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Speaker 4: million times. The only time he gets an iPad is

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Speaker 4: on a plane or in hospital.

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Speaker 6: He's like, can we go to hospital?

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Speaker 3: We had a running nose the other day and he

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Speaker 7: I think I need to goads good and toys definitely,

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Speaker 7: but he doesn't play with much toys.

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Speaker 5: The key plays with pencils and things like that, pens.

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Speaker 5: So just when brought something, what was he think you

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Speaker 5: bought the other day? Yeah, just from pieces of wood

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Speaker 5: that looks like pencils.

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Speaker 6: That he likes to put, like the pens into the cups,

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Speaker 6: so rather than coloring, we noticed he just likes putting

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Speaker 6: that mimix that, but he'll probably still want.

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Speaker 5: He'll make as.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I bought stuff. He likes sort of chopping fruits,

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Speaker 6: I'm like, I don't know if so toys definitely, which

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Speaker 6: the first time we did bring toys, but he had

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Speaker 6: no real interest. So you don't realize how much easier

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Speaker 4: You look back even the flight and everything, thinking how

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Speaker 4: stressful and how hard, But now.

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Speaker 3: Looking at that was actually.

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Speaker 6: And food?

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Speaker 4: Now what are your food on the plane? How are

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Speaker 4: you going to manage that? Do you think you can

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Speaker 4: get children's meals?

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Speaker 3: Question?

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Speaker 5: But he's very picky to pick.

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Speaker 6: So I'm going to make a few things I bring,

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Speaker 6: like a little but you can bring food on some pain.

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Speaker 3: He's got to finish it something you.

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Speaker 6: Can't take it off, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Take it off the plane, make little slices, and for

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Speaker 6: Everything's for the baby.

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Speaker 4: You can get away with you now, John, do you

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Speaker 4: get involved in the packing of Henry's things or is

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Speaker 4: that look?

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Speaker 5: I'd like to, but I just make it a bit

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Speaker 5: easier for myself. I just say, Jess, you can do it.

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Speaker 5: Just pack whatever, even.

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Speaker 6: Though you've been really busy as well, so.

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Speaker 5: To just pack whatever you want and it shall be fine.

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Speaker 5: I try to. I think too many cooks in the

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Speaker 5: kitchen is too confusing, so I just lived up to

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Speaker 5: I'm having to help.

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Speaker 3: Jes. Then do you mainly think about what Henry needs?

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Speaker 4: And then you'll just be scrambling throwing a couple of

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Speaker 4: clothes in view At the end, I.

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Speaker 6: Feel like today I'm like, I actually need to go

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Speaker 6: and buy some warm clothes because.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what the thing is. Jess is into fashion,

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Speaker 5: so she plans the outfits, but I'm more function I

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Speaker 5: just I would pack the same thing that's I'm touching.

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Speaker 5: starting to poo his nappy on the way down from

447
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Speaker 5: this flight. It's like we can't stop. We can't change

448
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Speaker 5: him here. We've got to make the flight because otherwise

449
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Speaker 5: we can't fly until the next morning. So we're running

450
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 5: across the airport. I've got everything else, yess, it's just

451
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 5: got him just has got a white T shirt on

452
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Speaker 5: and him and just gone like this running. We're going

453
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Speaker 5: up in the air train, going to the air train.

454
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Speaker 5: Once we get into the air train, I was like, yes,

455
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 5: oh my gosh, you've got poo all of your top.

456
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Speaker 5: It's come out this lee all of the top. And

457
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Speaker 5: she's like oh. I was like, we can't even do

458
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Speaker 5: that now we have to get on.

459
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Speaker 6: I had to just hide.

460
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Speaker 5: So anyway, you know, the air train goes to A B, C, D.

461
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 5: Some of them are A, B, C and D, so

462
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 5: he got to C and D. We had to get

463
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Speaker 5: a D terminal C and D were together, so we

464
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Speaker 5: would see were the only ones on the air train.

465
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Speaker 5: And then we started going backwards. Did we miss it?

466
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Speaker 5: Your pool is top? We missed our stop. We're going

467
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Speaker 5: to miss his flight? No, we didn't miss the flight.

468
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 5: We ended getting on the flight. And because some of

469
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 5: the planes, I don't know, it's just airlines. We weren't

470
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 5: sitting together on this flight as well. And once we

471
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 5: got on, everyone's waiting for us. Just when I sat

472
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Speaker 5: down near the front, poostained shirt. Henry is a bit distraught.

473
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Speaker 5: We're both sweating and panicked, and I was at the

474
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Speaker 5: back of the plane. And then we're on this Timac

475
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Speaker 5: for two hours because of a storm. So I'm looking

476
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Speaker 5: down from the back seat.

477
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Speaker 6: Streaming because it's so hot on the flight.

478
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Speaker 5: And then you see other passengers like Fanny him doing

479
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Speaker 5: all this and I'm just the back. I kind of

480
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Speaker 5: get up because we've got our seat bets on the.

481
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Speaker 6: I did change.

482
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Speaker 3: You could change when you got on there.

483
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Speaker 6: I think when I got on, I got to change.

484
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Speaker 6: I got John Singlet because I forgot to bring the top,

485
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Speaker 6: so John had to think a single underneath his top.

486
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Speaker 3: So you always do still like that.

487
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Speaker 5: You know you want to spec shirt.

488
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Speaker 6: So there I am with this John Singlet on my shirt.

489
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 5: Extra extra women's shir could tell what happened?

490
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Speaker 3: What happened to the shirt?

491
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Speaker 6: You just think I just threw it a I was like,

492
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Speaker 6: I can't do anyth Yeah, it's got to go so

493
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 6: more all of the stories. We learned to bring extra

494
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 6: clothes for ourselves, Henry and also my fan had died

495
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 6: that the little portable fan, so that has to be

496
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 6: charged because Henry gets so cranky when he's hot. I mean,

497
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 6: as anyone does. But some flights, for some reason can

498
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 6: be The domestic flights I think can be really warm.

499
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Speaker 5: So just your connecting flight, make sure it's enough time

500
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Speaker 5: if you've got a baby, yes, I think when we

501
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 5: booked the connecting we didn't check. It says it's a

502
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Speaker 5: connecting flight, but you don't see that's forty minutes or

503
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Speaker 5: thirty minutes apart, and then you might have to get

504
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 5: to another don't really care if you.

505
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Speaker 3: Make it or not.

506
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 6: They just booked it and flying overnight as much as possible.

507
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Speaker 6: Don't forget the shirt so you don't have to wear.

508
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 3: Had extra nappies with you?

509
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Speaker 6: Yes?

510
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 4: How many nappies do you pack in your suitcase for

511
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Speaker 4: the UK? Do you just go with a few? Know

512
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 4: you got to buy some? What's what's your plan?

513
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Speaker 6: Well, you've put that a whole big pack in there,

514
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 6: just in case, just in case we're stuck somewhere we

515
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 6: can't buy any nappies. But also we're stopping in Singapore,

516
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 6: so I thought just to have enough for when we

517
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Speaker 6: get there, so we don't have to rush and try

518
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Speaker 6: and find some. I know, when we're in these countries,

519
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 6: like there's obviously nappies everywhere, and hard as well, because

520
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 6: you don't know which ones you're going to like or

521
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 6: what size, and those nappies.

522
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Speaker 3: That's so funny.

523
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Speaker 4: A trip we did to the US when as she

524
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 4: was a little we were getting low on our nappies,

525
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 4: and so I went out to the shop and I

526
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 4: came back with the wrong size and girls.

527
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Speaker 6: So do you pack enough or did you pack enough

528
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 6: nappies for the entire trip we travel?

529
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Speaker 3: No, we packed.

530
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 4: Looking back, we packed too many out of fear that

531
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Speaker 4: for some reason we'd never be able to find a

532
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 4: nappy ever again. Like I still do that with deodrant

533
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 4: when I travel, I'll have like three cans of deodorant

534
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 4: just in case reason.

535
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 3: I don't know why. I think I can't buy.

536
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 4: Them wherever I go out here, multiples with when I leave.

537
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 4: I don't know why that is.

538
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 6: I did the same. I make sure all my products

539
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 6: are full brand new.

540
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so funny, isn't it.

541
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Speaker 2: Have you had a moment where Henry's just too tricky

542
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 2: an age or is it just for you guys? It's

543
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 2: just important to be together. It doesn't matter how if

544
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 2: it's going to be just a bit of a fight.

545
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Speaker 5: I think every trip has been a bit tricky, and

546
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Speaker 5: I don't know we wouldn't really know how tricky it

547
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 5: is until we've done it, until we look back like, oh,

548
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 5: yeah that was hard, and then it still hasn't stopped

549
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 5: us from future plans. I think it's worth trying to

550
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 5: push through it to kind of make those extra memories

551
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 5: for us, I think as a family. Yeah, and unless

552
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Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't know how much worse it

553
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 5: can get. Yeah, that was a pretty bad day that one.

554
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the thing you're learning. You don't know what

555
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 6: how difficult it's going to be when you're there. But

556
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 6: I actually think it's more stressful prior to going, and

557
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 6: then when you're there you're like, actually it's not that bad.

558
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 6: Like the week before, I'm really anxious because I'm like, oh,

559
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 6: this is going to go terribly wrong, And then you're

560
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 6: there and you're like, actually, it's like we're at home,

561
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 6: but we're just somewhere different. So I think if we

562
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Speaker 6: weren't to go, if Henry and I were still at home,

563
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,719
Speaker 6: we'd probably be I would be a little bit more

564
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 6: upset rather than being together as a family, including those memories.

565
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 3: Yea, you own ship.

566
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Speaker 4: But I mean it's so important is if you can,

567
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 4: I think, for a family to stay together. I know

568
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 4: that's where it's been hard for you lock, you know,

569
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 4: at times with two hundred kids.

570
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 3: And that's right, you know.

571
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 4: Thankfully this two of falls over the Easter break, so

572
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 4: now ashes at school we can be together, but that's

573
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 4: going to happen.

574
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 3: Less and less.

575
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 4: So we just kind of figured the time that we

576
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 4: can have together as a family, when we can take.

577
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 3: It, we'll take it. We'll do it.

578
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're insane.

579
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're right about that.

580
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 2: A lot of the anxiousness is before and you actually

581
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: get on the holiday and then you get home and

582
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, that was awesome.

583
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's so many great experiences.

584
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, it takes you out of your comfort zone, which

585
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 6: is actually quite nice and being a mom, like staying

586
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 6: at home with Henry, sometimes I feel like I need

587
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 6: to shake up my day. So as soon as we

588
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 6: go away, I feel like, oh yeah, it's brought a

589
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 6: new energy to my life, so that when I get

590
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 6: home I'm doing the normal thing that I do every

591
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 6: day doesn't feel so mundane.

592
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, lots of experiences this.

593
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 4: You get to be around other adults too, and you're

594
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 4: on the road because you know, and sometimes the mum

595
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 4: you're just at home with your child and it can

596
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 4: be really hard and really difficult, and so like you're saying,

597
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 4: it breaks it up and changes it and you actually

598
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 4: get a bit more maybe adult a few mental.

599
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Speaker 6: Health I think.

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Speaker 3: Other than John, of course.

601
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 5: I'm more of a child, the same person every day,

602
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 5: my tight shirt on, single. Yeah, thank you John and

603
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 5: Jess Hope.

604
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Speaker 2: It's a lovely trip for you all. You're in your

605
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 2: own car. If you need to wave us down the roads,

606
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 2: will all be driving the Thank you for coming on.

607
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 6: We will talk today, Thank you and we'll see you.

608
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 3: See in the UK. I've never seen John fazed, never ever.

609
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Speaker 2: I would have loved to have seen him on that

610
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 2: poof flight because he still would have looked totally the

611
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: great poof Flight of twenty twenty five. Yeah, he would

612
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 2: have looked. I mean, I can imagine. I think he's

613
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 2: one of those talk to him the a little bit

614
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: about this before and I'll just go and ask him

615
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: how he's feeling, and he.

616
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 5: Actually says he does, yeah, he.

617
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Speaker 2: Doesn't want to make a fuss in a group setting,

618
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 2: and he just kind of keeps it in, but he's

619
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Speaker 2: There's just such lovely people and they really do make

620
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 2: the tour a more lovely place. So thank you John

621
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Speaker 2: and Jess for joining us here.

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Speaker 4: You're so cute and look love having the children around

623
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Speaker 4: on tour as much as we can. It's such a

624
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 4: if you can't have your children on tour or wiggle

625
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 4: you come to work day, you know.

626
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Speaker 3: Yeah every daily.

627
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 2: Well you know what, we are going away and that

628
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Speaker 2: will be our last show ever. That will be our

629
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Speaker 2: last show for a few weeks. While we are on tour.

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Speaker 2: We won't take our road microphones and podcast gear. Will

631
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Speaker 2: be very busy doing multiple shows a day. But we

632
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Speaker 2: can't wait to see everyone, and we'll talk to you

633
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 2: when we get back.

634
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 4: But hey, lucky if people miss us, oh yes, they

635
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 4: can listen to some older episodes. They can recaps or

636
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 4: have a look and see which ones you might have

637
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Speaker 4: missed because there's.

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Speaker 3: A lot of good stuff in there.

639
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: There is there is Wigill Talk that's also on the YouTube.

640
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 3: Watch watch it, watch it.

641
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 2: Just listen to me. It's hard to watch when you're driving.

642
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: And when you do go back to those wonderful episodes.

643
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: You can give us a little review.

644
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you rate and review. Yes, still don't know

645
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 4: how you do that, but please give that a go.

646
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 3: Yep.

647
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 4: But everyone, thanks for listening to wiggle Talk. We will

648
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 4: be back after our tour. But yes, you know, yeah,

649
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 4: I don't know if anyone knows this, it's it's a

650
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 4: podcast for parents.

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Speaker 3: See your scene