Speaker 1: What do you think is the right etiquette when you
Speaker 1: receive a gift you don't like.
Speaker 2: For me, if you're receiving a gift that you don't like,
Speaker 2: I think you just need to And this is the
Speaker 2: worst part of it, right, like everyone's doing it every day,
Speaker 2: especially at this time that you're in Christmas, right like
Speaker 2: you're at the shopping set you run into fifteen people
Speaker 2: you know you met twice in high school, never spoke to,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden you're best friends standing outside
Speaker 2: tyger wondering how the how you're not there. Everyone has
Speaker 2: practiced in their lifetime this moment that fakes smile, the
Speaker 2: elevation of the eyebrows, and that real like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: here it is. This is the thing I didn't want,
Speaker 2: so here it is now that you start do that.
Speaker 1: We're thrilled to have Sam Mangan joining us as a
Speaker 1: guest on today's episode of A Very Outspoken Christmas. Sam
Speaker 1: is the founder and CEO of a range of brands
Speaker 1: and companies, including Spin and Co, James Cosmetics, and the
Speaker 1: Spin Studio. Sam also doesn't shy away from the spotlight himself.
Speaker 1: With over one hundred thousand followers on Instagram, thanks to
Speaker 1: his hilarious rants. Now Sam is a man after our own,
Speaker 1: as he is not only incredibly smart and hilarious, but
Speaker 1: loves Christmas just as much as we do. Now, Sam,
Speaker 1: when we think of Christmas, we must admit we immediately
Speaker 1: think of you. What is it that you love most
Speaker 1: about Christmas?
Speaker 2: Well, that's very kind of you to say, thank you
Speaker 2: very much. And if there's any which way I wish
Speaker 2: to remember, that's probably it. What is it for me?
Speaker 2: It's the spirit. And I know that probably sounds super
Speaker 2: super cheesy, but you know, every year, and I discussed
Speaker 2: this extensively last year, but every year around Christmas there's
Speaker 2: a group of people. I actually saw an article yesterday
Speaker 2: that came out that started talking about, you know, why
Speaker 2: you can make this Christmas, you know, a positive experience
Speaker 2: and why it can be a good time of year,
Speaker 2: as if there was some assumption that it isn't. And
Speaker 2: it drives me nuts because I find that, sure, there's
Speaker 2: always going to be times when there are people who,
Speaker 2: you know, it can be tough. You may not be
Speaker 2: around family, especially with COVID and whatnot, or you've lost
Speaker 2: someone close to you, or there's all those things. But
Speaker 2: I'm very much the believer of you sort of you
Speaker 2: make of something what you want to make of it,
Speaker 2: and Christmas gives you all the opportunities more than any
Speaker 2: other time of year to be positive. The spirit in
Speaker 2: general is just electric. I mean, people talk about this
Speaker 2: pressure to buy gifts, etc. And I think, yes, but
Speaker 2: it's this giving concept that even exists at this time
Speaker 2: of year that we all want to give something to
Speaker 2: someone else. Some people go too far and it turns
Speaker 2: into a competition too expensive or to this. But I
Speaker 2: think that it's just this opportunity right to because for me,
Speaker 2: when you even think about how long ANSWRAVI to your question.
Speaker 2: For me, when you think about the end of the year, right,
Speaker 2: like the end of a calendar year, that doesn't mean anything, right,
Speaker 2: Like I'm sure that someone had disagreed with the mayans
Speaker 2: or whoever's come up with it. But the concept of an
Speaker 2: end of the year right is somewhat irrelevant. We could
Speaker 2: just continue on with and not repeat. It could just
Speaker 2: be never ending, you know whatever. But the idea of
Speaker 2: coming to the end of the year having the opportunity
Speaker 2: to reset, ending it on this positive note where it's
Speaker 2: all about sort of celebration. It's all about you know,
Speaker 2: being around people that you choose and want to be around,
Speaker 2: taking a break for yourself, thinking back, being thankful. I mean,
Speaker 2: what a phenomenal way to sort of end the year
Speaker 2: without even it's not even been constructed per se. It
Speaker 2: just has come together that way that the end of
Speaker 2: the year, we all sort of sit around and whether
Speaker 2: that be getting together to celebrate or giving a gift
Speaker 2: to someone, but we leave the workplace in most situations
Speaker 2: and you know, you sort of had that little bit
Speaker 2: of a mini reset. And it's funny, there's no other
Speaker 2: time of year, in my opinion, where that kind of
Speaker 2: week between say Christmas in stead of New Years, most
Speaker 2: people don't get that much time off, like it could
Speaker 2: be six days or something like that. And yet for
Speaker 2: some reason, that six days feels like no other six
Speaker 2: days if you you've taken the middle of the year,
Speaker 2: if you six days off in June, it wouldn't feel
Speaker 2: like those six days. And so I think it's just
Speaker 2: a general spirit around. But you have to really, I think,
Speaker 2: want that spirit to be positive because there's a lot
Speaker 2: of people coming after it in recent years about you know,
Speaker 2: it's a tough time of years. I hate that drives
Speaker 2: me nuts.
Speaker 1: I could not agree more because I feel like whenever
Speaker 1: the carols pop up in the Karen's God, no I'm
Speaker 1: talking Christmas carols, not Christmas Karens. Whenever the carols or
Speaker 1: the songs pop up in the in store, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: just hear people complaining about, Oh, it's too early, it's
Speaker 1: too early. What do you think is too early? Because
Speaker 1: when you put your Christmas tree up in early November,
Speaker 1: don't you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. Look, I think it's too early for
Speaker 2: those people to be speaking in public. That's why I
Speaker 2: think is actually too early. When you really look at
Speaker 2: the situation, it's there's always going to be something too early.
Speaker 2: The Hot Cross buns are out too early, the chocolate
Speaker 2: Easter eggs are out too early. Everything's too early. Some
Speaker 2: people celebrate their birthdays over a whole month. Some people
Speaker 2: it's a week, some people it's a day. I think,
Speaker 2: make your own decision. Personally, there is no greater home
Speaker 2: accessory than a well decorated Christmas tree. Note well decorated,
Speaker 2: and I think that that for me, I would like
Speaker 2: it up for the maximum period of time because I
Speaker 2: think when I come home at the end of the day.
Speaker 2: You know, you're walking from my front door, you look
Speaker 2: straight down and you can see the Christmas tree. That
Speaker 2: to me is just happiness, just embodied right there in
Speaker 2: the house. But also logistically speaking, I'm not putting a
Speaker 2: tree up for two weeks. Maybe some of them will
Speaker 2: just slap together some old thing and put on some
Speaker 2: hideous decorations. Mine is a construction. It's not as easy
Speaker 2: as just throwing it up and then to two weeks
Speaker 2: and then it comes back down. That's absurd.
Speaker 1: Oh, I could not agree more because at work they
Speaker 1: tasked me and a couple of girls with putting a
Speaker 1: Christmas tree up, and you would honestly think would I
Speaker 1: am embarrassed to be working with this Christmas tree. I've
Speaker 1: seen the amazing decorations you have up in your office,
Speaker 1: and one of the girls in my office decided to
Speaker 1: buy a ten dollar Christmas tree from Big w and
Speaker 1: then has decorated it with the most hideous decorations. They're like,
Speaker 1: think multi colored, think tinsel, garish, and I'm ashamed to
Speaker 1: work there. I'm actually working from two weeks from home
Speaker 1: at the moment, so I can't see the tree. It's disgusting.
Speaker 2: The tree smart move. Look, the tree issue is consteeply
Speaker 2: rooted in my life. But the problem I have with
Speaker 2: the tree is that and this is the same when
Speaker 2: you see people who dress hideously and then people go, well,
Speaker 2: not everyone can afford to dress nicely. It isn't a
Speaker 2: financial thing. It's a taste thing. Style and taste aren't
Speaker 2: necessarily linked to financials right now. Sure some trees might
Speaker 2: cost more, that's the case. But I tell you what,
Speaker 2: I would be willing to go head to head with
Speaker 2: anyone if I was having to construct a tree from
Speaker 2: Big w K Mart, Target, any of these places and
Speaker 2: still have a CHEK moment delivered. I think it's absurd
Speaker 2: to try and to And this is the problem, right,
Speaker 2: people get carried away. It's all about Oh, it's not
Speaker 2: spending too much money, it's about this, is about that. No,
Speaker 2: it's about a bit of innovation. Nothing's changed, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. It's the same pottle winging about do
Speaker 2: I hate my job? This? That, and now they get
Speaker 2: a new job. If you really want to make it work,
Speaker 2: you can make it work. It's really just maybe you
Speaker 2: don't have the style or inclination to make something look
Speaker 2: nice and maybe you need to look inward before you
Speaker 2: start accusing it of being because it's great issues.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, my boyfriend suggested that we get a Kma
Speaker 1: tree because to be fair, he's actually allergic to pine.
Speaker 1: And just for a bit of a backstory, Amy, Sophie
Speaker 1: and I have always had a real Christmas tree. It's
Speaker 1: just been a tradition. We love going to the Christmas
Speaker 1: tree farm and picking it up. So, I mean, we've
Speaker 1: been together for a couple of years now, and to
Speaker 1: be honest, I told him to suck it up with
Speaker 1: the real tree because that's my tradition. So we have
Speaker 1: had the real tree and then suddenly he pulls it
Speaker 1: on me this year on I think we should get
Speaker 1: a fake one, and I'm like, there's no way because
Speaker 1: Bowsam Hill will not deliver in time. I feel like
Speaker 1: the only fake tree you can get, and I've been
Speaker 1: inspired by yourself and your sister Courtney is Bowsam Hill,
Speaker 1: and I just think, Kamar, I'm sorry, it's just not
Speaker 1: good enough. I'm not having it in my house. So
Speaker 1: we're going with a real tree, but we have to
Speaker 1: wait until early December to get it, so I feel
Speaker 1: like it's not so Christmasy in my home at the moment,
Speaker 1: which is a little bit disappointing.
Speaker 2: Look, it's a tough one. I mean for me, I'm
Speaker 2: very otten it. So we have a substantial change in
Speaker 2: the house, not just the tree, it's the center pieces
Speaker 2: on the tables, it's you know, I have a forever
Speaker 2: Share display. It's a whole moment in my house. There's
Speaker 2: a whole series of other things that they change over
Speaker 2: as well. So maybe i'd encourage you to find the
Speaker 2: other pieces that can temporarily change before the main event arrives.
Speaker 2: But certainly Bolst have had some amazing trees. I literally
Speaker 2: just got hit with an ad on Instagram just before
Speaker 2: I joined the school. They're apparently fifty percent off to
Speaker 2: Black Friday.
Speaker 1: Oh I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm not receiving commission, but here i am, and so
Speaker 2: I mean that's a good deal. But surely, and what
Speaker 2: will be the twenty fourth of November. Surely they've got
Speaker 2: some sort of system going on to move things fast.
Speaker 2: They're surely not selling trees now that aren't going to
Speaker 2: make it for Christmas. I mean to make it for
Speaker 2: early descend be probably not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just scared because you know how like
Speaker 1: on the news that always going on about Australia Post
Speaker 1: can't get anything right and everything's delayed. So I kind
Speaker 1: of just panicked and I've locked in the real tree
Speaker 1: this year, but I think maybe I'll check out about
Speaker 1: some hill one next year, a real tree.
Speaker 2: That was such a vibe. I've never had an old tree,
Speaker 2: but that is such a vibe. I'm right into that.
Speaker 2: But certainly in terms of guarantee that every year you
Speaker 2: pull the tree out, you know it's needing that standard
Speaker 2: balsam are really are really On top of that, I
Speaker 2: have a bolt house and a boltan tree here at
Speaker 2: the office that one of the officers just over three
Speaker 2: meters tall, and you know, you pack it away, you
Speaker 2: pull it out, and every year it's just still incredible.
Speaker 2: So I mean that's and also not having to do
Speaker 2: the lights is a huge Yeah.
Speaker 1: Can you run us through some Christmas decorating do's and don'ts,
Speaker 1: because I feel like the people need to know, people
Speaker 1: need to be educated by you.
Speaker 2: I think let's not get too complicated, right, just stick
Speaker 2: to classic colors. I'm not really and I blame not
Speaker 2: individuals but big corporations here. Every year I walk into
Speaker 2: some of the big stores and you see the same thing,
Speaker 2: and it's this blues and maroons, and I'm thinking, what
Speaker 2: happened to the marone? Was it a bad dime? It
Speaker 2: meant to go red? But now you're trying to go
Speaker 2: with that vibe? Was Target this year that had the
Speaker 2: Marone in? I don't understand. Why must we go with
Speaker 2: all these ghost colors. Just stick with your classic reds.
Speaker 2: Your silver's your golds, not rose gold. For me, that's done.
Speaker 2: But I'll accept it. You know, it's just not that difficult.
Speaker 2: Don't try and wrap tinsel on your tree or wrap
Speaker 2: ribbon on your tree if you don't know how to
Speaker 2: do it. If you want to watch something online, you
Speaker 2: can't just throw a bit of ribbon in a tree
Speaker 2: and hope for the band. It's a fine art. And
Speaker 2: also make sure that you fluff the tree. That's got
Speaker 2: to be step one. Bar Too many people pull the
Speaker 2: tree out of the bag and put it up and
Speaker 2: then hang decorations and you could literally fire a gun.
Speaker 2: I mean, you could throw a cat through the middle
Speaker 2: of some of these trees I'm seeing on Instagram. It's
Speaker 2: just ridiculous. You need to fluff the tree. And your
Speaker 2: tiny bosse actually comes with gloves because they know it's
Speaker 2: not easy work.
Speaker 1: M yes, yes, And we laughed so much when Sof's
Speaker 1: tree arrived with the gloves. It's amazing. Now you often
Speaker 1: talk about the typical Karen, and I'd love to hear
Speaker 1: how you think a typical Karen celebrates Christmas and how
Speaker 1: she would decorate her tree.
Speaker 2: Oh that's a tough one, I mean. And here is
Speaker 2: the thing right I have. As you know from my content,
Speaker 2: I have a general anti Karen approach to my year.
Speaker 2: Christmas is the one time of yew where Karen can
Speaker 2: at times be given a lighter sentence fuel from me,
Speaker 2: because I feel like it is the time of you
Speaker 2: to be happy and joyful. What I will say about
Speaker 2: Karen is that she's most definitely ordering in advance at
Speaker 2: the local Woolworths, Coals or most likely Albi. She's for
Speaker 2: sure making that she's got everything pre prepared because she's
Speaker 2: not getting involved in that Christmas with the cranks running
Speaker 2: for the last hand moment, So that's for sure. But
Speaker 2: I think that she's doing a very simple Christmas delivery.
Speaker 2: It's I'm not going above and beyond, I'm delivering the
Speaker 2: Christmas lunch as is, don't be ridiculous to be over
Speaker 2: the top. It's what it is. It's what you'll get,
Speaker 2: and you'll smile about it. She's not thrilled about seeing
Speaker 2: things early in the shopping sentence, but she's not outwardly
Speaker 2: too mad about it. But if she's asked, she's got
Speaker 2: a lot to say about it. That's how I feel
Speaker 2: like and approaching things at Christmas.
Speaker 1: I love that. And can I just say I have
Speaker 1: a new suggestion. I don't know if you've spoken about
Speaker 1: a Margaret, but I've got a Margaret that I live
Speaker 1: next door to. She's a bit of a Karen, but
Speaker 1: she's she's more like an older yeah, and older Karen, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: so she's maybe I'll have to explain more, maybe at
Speaker 1: another stage, but I definitely think the name Margaret should
Speaker 1: be added into your collection of names. I think definitely.
Speaker 2: Well for me. Cheryl is my older demographic, Karen is
Speaker 2: slightly younger. Let's younger, slightly younger. But what I will
Speaker 2: say is very dangerous and fine line. There are some
Speaker 2: places where I just dare not go even with my content.
Speaker 2: My mum's name is Margaret.
Speaker 1: Oh, I have to be very.
Speaker 2: Careful at times. Yeah, but what I will say is this,
Speaker 2: if she's wrongly done by, no one will get the
Speaker 2: manager faster than Oh. That's just well, that's where I
Speaker 2: get it from. Unfortunately, though, there you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fun shopping with your mom as an adult. I
Speaker 1: just love how my mom doesn't care asking all these
Speaker 1: questions that I would never ask, or challenging them on
Speaker 1: things which I really should. And I always laugh because
Speaker 1: there seems to be this lack of awareness, like Mom
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to know that the shop assistant is annoyed
Speaker 1: about it or feel awkward. And I can't wait to
Speaker 1: be at that age where I just don't care.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's almost certainly with my mum. It's
Speaker 2: not even the lack of awareness as much as it
Speaker 2: is this is it, And that's where I get it from.
Speaker 2: This It's like I can't help you. It's just the
Speaker 2: truth of the matter. I'm not being rude on stating fact.
Speaker 2: If you don't like and I'm not sure I can assist.
Speaker 2: And I'll give you a great example, which is where
Speaker 2: I get it from. You know, when you go to McDonald's, right,
Speaker 2: because I'm obviously health but you know, occasionally and when
Speaker 2: you when I go, and then you know, you get
Speaker 2: to the front and they've got the senses everywhere. Now
Speaker 2: every McDonald and people know this, but every McDonald's has sense.
Speaker 2: It's the time that you spend in the drive through
Speaker 2: at each window is actually timed. And if you don't
Speaker 2: get the cars out of the law within certain KPIs
Speaker 2: that they have from head office head office, nos, and
Speaker 2: you get rated and there's a whole system, so you
Speaker 2: should be moving things through quickly. The problem with that
Speaker 2: is that the waiting bays fall outside of those senses.
Speaker 2: So rather than delivering fast service, which I assume is
Speaker 2: the point of why they have these sensors in place,
Speaker 2: they just get you to go and park to get
Speaker 2: you out of the way, and that way you're off
Speaker 2: the censor and you're not slowing them down. You're not
Speaker 2: affecting a KPI. Now, my mum just says no. So
Speaker 2: she'll get to the end and they'll say, oh, we
Speaker 2: need just another sixty seconds on fries, would you park?
Speaker 2: Your says no. And so I've now begun doing that
Speaker 2: in very select circumstances. For example, if it's a simple operation,
Speaker 2: if I when I order one hundred dollars worth of
Speaker 2: something of a Donald's. Dear Lord, then I can imagine
Speaker 2: why I'm being parked. But if I go up and
Speaker 2: order a cheese birth they were waiting on cheeseburgers. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: If you weren't prepared for someone to come to this
Speaker 2: window asking for a cheeseburger, then you have got the
Speaker 2: business wrong. So no, I won't be moving because somebody
Speaker 2: is just setting a message to the McDonald's head office
Speaker 2: that these poor stores are being forced to fire people
Speaker 2: out into the parking days because they have to meet
Speaker 2: these standards they can't meet and they can't imagine. You know,
Speaker 2: Christie hyphen Lee were their first job at the windows
Speaker 2: pulling head office and going, you know, we can't get
Speaker 2: everyone through in time. I don't think that's happening, So
Speaker 2: I'm taking a stand. That's my Cheryl move for the week.
Speaker 1: I love that. On the topic of McDonald's, have you
Speaker 1: noticed though, that in the UK they have their amazing
Speaker 1: Christmas themed menu and here in Australia we don't seem
Speaker 1: to have that. I don't know whether it's just South Australia,
Speaker 1: but I'm really disappointed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't have anything Christmas adjacent for the Generald's
Speaker 2: here that I'm aware of. I've been there in a while,
Speaker 2: but I don't believe certainly if they do, they're not
Speaker 2: advertising it, which is disappointing. But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It seems like we're not really as a corporation, as
Speaker 2: a country of corporations, we don't really seem to push it.
Speaker 2: Being a shore pill put some decorations up, but you know,
Speaker 2: we're like in America, Starbucks is the famed Christmas cup
Speaker 2: and the famed Christmas menu and things. We don't really
Speaker 2: have a culture much of that in Australia, now that
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about it. In a lot of places, no
Speaker 2: one's really apart from again putting a tree up, you
Speaker 2: don't seem a lot of companies or organizations really having
Speaker 2: anything iconic at this time of year. But I will
Speaker 2: say that in America, I think that the holiday season
Speaker 2: is better represented.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. Now you spoke, sud We touched a
Speaker 1: bit on retail workers, and you have been quite outspoken
Speaker 1: in the past about the etiquette of retail workers at
Speaker 1: Christmas time. For those who might be working in retail
Speaker 1: and listening, what is the correct way to greet and
Speaker 1: deal with the customer at Christmas time.
Speaker 2: So I do think that it depends on the store
Speaker 2: that you're in, right, But I think it's Hi, how
Speaker 2: are you welcome in? If there's anything you need to
Speaker 2: let me know and then just fuck off. But I
Speaker 2: also think when I walk in, do not pull your
Speaker 2: phone out. I don't want to walk and see you
Speaker 2: on your phone. I don't want to be an inconvenience.
Speaker 2: Don't protect like, don't work here. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: You know I've said this before, but it's I guess
Speaker 2: different because COVID times it's hard to find stuff. But
Speaker 2: I don't understand where people approach their jobs with such contempt.
Speaker 2: That makes no sense to me. Right, like people who
Speaker 2: are like, I'm better than working behind the till. Firstly,
Speaker 2: you're not, because you're working behind the till. But secondly,
Speaker 2: the only way to go from the till to anywhere
Speaker 2: else is to do this job good. If you can't
Speaker 2: do this job, why can you do any other job?
Speaker 2: I don't I've never understood that whole concept. It's is
Speaker 2: if people think that you're born as CEO, or you're
Speaker 2: born as you know, regional manager or whatever title you're
Speaker 2: looking for. I don't get that. But I'm also not
Speaker 2: into and this company is so bad for a Kiki
Speaker 2: k oh my lord, you going there and it's like
Speaker 2: you can't get rid of them. They're like that friend
Speaker 2: you never wanted. And it's just like, but have you
Speaker 2: seen the pens? Because I've seen the pens. I've seen
Speaker 2: them at Ali Barba where you purchased them forty cents
Speaker 2: and now they're four hundred dollars. I don't want the pen.
Speaker 2: I'm already been ripped off in the diary department. Please
Speaker 2: leave me alone.
Speaker 1: And do you do you expect them to say Merry
Speaker 1: Christmas to you? Do you think that's something they should up?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's absolutely critical, But we're also going through
Speaker 2: that whole PC trash that I can't stand in the
Speaker 2: world where it's like happy Holidays. Sorry, what the fuck
Speaker 2: is that? I don't understand what holidays you're referring to.
Speaker 2: It's Christmas time and it will soon be Happy New Year.
Speaker 2: Pick a show like I can't be involved, and I
Speaker 2: think we should be really end of November all the
Speaker 2: way through, they should be Merry Christmas. Where is that offensive?
Speaker 2: If someone they're doing a shop happy Honaker. I just
Speaker 2: wouldn't be like, how dare you? Why do I care?
Speaker 2: Happy Russia, Shhan fabulous, have a great day. I don't
Speaker 2: know what that is, but I'm happy for you. There's
Speaker 2: not enough celebration.
Speaker 1: Oh, I completely agree. Now, every year we have our
Speaker 1: annual Christmas white party, and we thought our party was
Speaker 1: pretty cool until we saw your annual Christmas party with
Speaker 1: your friends and we kind of thought shit, ours is
Speaker 1: a little bit embarrassing. But those who haven't seen it
Speaker 1: on your Instagram, can you fill our listeners in on
Speaker 1: what you did last year and maybe give us a
Speaker 1: sneak peek into what you've got planned this year.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I've always kind of envy the Kardashian Jenna
Speaker 2: known for party, right, like, every year Chris is known
Speaker 2: for that, Chris but passed it on. But it used
Speaker 2: to be Chrismas known for the Christmas Eve party. Now, personally,
Speaker 2: I think a Christmas Eve party is absolutely ridiculous, right, Like,
Speaker 2: who wants to be out on Christmas Eve? I don't
Speaker 2: think that's a real thing. And I feel like that
Speaker 2: time of year and have like a really good night.
Speaker 2: The last things we hung over on Christmas morning. That's
Speaker 2: not for me, so and you know that being my
Speaker 2: sort of big season, I kind of love it. I
Speaker 2: would like to get into Halloween a bit more, but
Speaker 2: my problem is that it's too close to Christmas and
Speaker 2: so it just it's too much. But for me, that
Speaker 2: was kind of a party that sort of slowly grews.
Speaker 2: I originally threw a dinner party for my friends four
Speaker 2: years ago called friend Mess, and it was a seated
Speaker 2: dinner party. I have all my furniture removed from the house.
Speaker 2: I had a big long table put in. It's a
Speaker 2: catered event, you know, beautiful. And then the next year
Speaker 2: it was kind of like I can't take that many
Speaker 2: people in my house, Like it's getting ridiculous. So then
Speaker 2: we move to just like a stated party, same thing
Speaker 2: though I have all the furniture removed from my house.
Speaker 2: I have all new festive furniture put in. I have
Speaker 2: a photo moment installed every year, which is usually something floral,
Speaker 2: you know, a new bar, I have staff, the whole
Speaker 2: set of bits. So it's a big night to me.
Speaker 2: I love it because it's a it's at home, and
Speaker 2: I feel like the house party dies after you kind
Speaker 2: of leave, sort of like high schooling times. It's a
Speaker 2: couple of people over for a drink. But there's something
Speaker 2: to be said about a house party in that everyone
Speaker 2: feels super comfortable. It's a safe space. You control the music,
Speaker 2: you controls it of all the bits and pieces. So yeah,
Speaker 2: every year we've got a selection cocktail list, which is
Speaker 2: usually inspired by whatever I'm drinking that year. It's all
Speaker 2: custom menus, it's custom invites, it's a whole moment. Last
Speaker 2: year I had like a Garden of Eden moment, put
Speaker 2: in this huge, big arch with all reds and greeneries
Speaker 2: all throughout, which is pretty cool. This year it's going
Speaker 2: to be a bit more of a So here's the issue, right, God,
Speaker 2: this is getting real deep at the Christmas. Here is
Speaker 2: my problem. My tree in my house is currently themed
Speaker 2: a classic Christmas, so I think tartans and again golds
Speaker 2: and reds and green, et cetera. And so it makes
Speaker 2: it hard to go too far outside that realm with
Speaker 2: a different theme. Whereas next year, I think it's a
Speaker 2: good chance we'll be resetting all of the decorations and
Speaker 2: going for a different type. But I'm looking to see
Speaker 2: if a friend has to do something a little bit
Speaker 2: more winter inspired. So that's what I'm currently working for,
Speaker 2: inventing people on at the moment.
Speaker 1: That sounds amazing and is there is there a bit
Speaker 1: of a strict criteria of who is allowed to come
Speaker 1: to your party because it sounds fabulous and I'm sure
Speaker 1: you don't want sort of Christmas haters there are you
Speaker 1: trying to get in? Amy?
Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah, it's a very It's a contentious
Speaker 2: guest list every year for me. So the event is friendness,
Speaker 2: in which it is my close friends. We don't invite.
Speaker 2: It's not a client event. It's not all my staff
Speaker 2: at the office event. It's not even a lot of
Speaker 2: my family don't attend. So Courtney is there obviously, but
Speaker 2: it's the whole purpose of the event was that I
Speaker 2: designed it around it's my close friends having a great
Speaker 2: night because I find the older that you get, the
Speaker 2: harder it is to nail down to be friends. There's kids,
Speaker 2: there's other engagements in both there's so much going on
Speaker 2: that I didn't want another night where you bring everyone
Speaker 2: in it kind of and you guys would know right
Speaker 2: if you start opening up invites, it starts ballooning and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you don't get to see some
Speaker 2: of those people. That was the whole purpose of the event.
Speaker 2: So we keep it very tight at the guest list
Speaker 2: and we go right over the top for the number
Speaker 2: of people there I can confirm. But that's kind of
Speaker 2: why I want to keep it in the house. I
Speaker 2: like it just being my media friends because then you
Speaker 2: just have such a good night and it's kind of
Speaker 2: like literally once a year where I can get that
Speaker 2: volume of my closest people all in one room. People
Speaker 2: will fly in from Melbourne or Sydney or if they
Speaker 2: are for it, and so it's always a nice whereas
Speaker 2: I always find some times you end up at you know,
Speaker 2: so many Christmas parties get thrown this time of year,
Speaker 2: and you go to some of them and you're looking around, like,
Speaker 2: who are you? Like? You know what I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't want second tier friends there. I don't want third
Speaker 2: tier friends, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, yeah, and you don't want a baby.
Speaker 2: I gonna invite that one. Yeah, you don't want the babysitting,
Speaker 2: you don't want Yeah, it's a no from me, which
Speaker 2: is the same reason for my company Christmas party. I
Speaker 2: ban partners.
Speaker 1: Oh that's that's a good idea. I mean, let's be honest.
Speaker 1: I feel like some weddings should do that too, because
Speaker 1: you know, when you're having to like Kate's organizing a
Speaker 1: wedding at the moment, and you know, you start to
Speaker 1: really consider who your close friends are when you've got
Speaker 1: to pay per head and you're like, oh, I don't
Speaker 1: really know their partner at.
Speaker 2: All one hundred percent will yeah, for the company Christmas party.
Speaker 2: I'm real particular and I don't like any partners I
Speaker 2: own included, just purely because I find it's way too
Speaker 2: difficult and takes away from the point of the whole
Speaker 2: team having a great night together. Rather than you sitting
Speaker 2: with your partner explaining every inside joke you're introducing them to.
Speaker 2: I hate that. I'd rather just you know, you can
Speaker 2: see your partner the whole of Christmas. For our company night,
Speaker 2: we have no partners, and.
Speaker 1: Let's be honest, your partner doesn't really want to go.
Speaker 1: Like my partner's trying to get out of my staff
Speaker 1: Christmas party, and I don't blame him, Like you know,
Speaker 1: it's sometimes awkward and it just goes on and as
Speaker 1: you said, the inside jokes and yeah, it just doesn't work.
Speaker 2: It's very very hard. I mean, we do get a
Speaker 2: lot of water companies, We've got an open Bill's event,
Speaker 2: but we continue to unfortunately reject them.
Speaker 1: Well, if you're cool, we might jump into some of
Speaker 1: our social dilemmas because we think you would be able
Speaker 1: to provide some great help to our listeners on these
Speaker 1: Christmas related ones. So firstly, as you know, gift giving
Speaker 1: can be quite awkward. What do you think is the
Speaker 1: right etiquette when you receive a gift you don't like?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's always happiness, right Like, I'm never one
Speaker 2: to turn around and be like this is vile. What
Speaker 2: plan do you want? I have certainly received some gifts
Speaker 2: in the path that I've met that criteria, but for me,
Speaker 2: and I hate receiving gifts personally, I love giving a
Speaker 2: gift give out an outrageous number, but don't like receiving gifts,
Speaker 2: mostly because they just don't like people spending their money
Speaker 2: and you know what, noto on me, but for me,
Speaker 2: if you're receiving a gift that you don't like, I
Speaker 2: think you just need to And this is the worst
Speaker 2: part of it, right, Like everyone's doing it every day,
Speaker 2: especially at this time that you're in Christmas right like
Speaker 2: you're at the shopping ceting, you're run into fifteen people
Speaker 2: you know you met twice in high school, never spoke to,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden you're best friends. Dandy outside target,
Speaker 2: wondering how the hell you got there. Everyone has practiced
Speaker 2: in their lifetime this moment, that fake smile, the elevation
Speaker 2: of the eyebrows, that real like, oh my god, here
Speaker 2: it is. This is the thing I didn't want, and
Speaker 2: here it is now to be stagulous, you know. And
Speaker 2: I think that's crucial because especially what I don't like
Speaker 2: around this time of the year is the people who
Speaker 2: go out and purchase too many gift cards. I'm not
Speaker 2: a gift card lover. If you've gone out on board
Speaker 2: gift cards, I'm not hugely on board with that. There
Speaker 2: are some people who just say that's what I prefer,
Speaker 2: and I'd rather be that. But I do find if
Speaker 2: it's more of your inner circle, that if someone has
Speaker 2: taken the time to go out and buy something, even
Speaker 2: though they've missed completely, it may just indicate to you
Speaker 2: that they don't really know you very well. Maybe next
Speaker 2: year they're not getting invite your friendness, But it's important
Speaker 2: to I think in that moment acknowledge the fact that
Speaker 2: they've gone out of their way, they've spent their own money,
Speaker 2: and they've got something. You can have the discussion later
Speaker 2: on in your own private time when you think that
Speaker 2: maybe it was a regift, but in the moment, I
Speaker 2: think you've got to, you know, get your acting abilities
Speaker 2: moving well.
Speaker 1: On the topic of regifting, what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 1: Is it a big no?
Speaker 2: What are we regifting? Gifting? An example?
Speaker 1: Well, do you mean sort of like you've got a
Speaker 1: dad gift? What do you do with it? Because some
Speaker 1: people put it straight up on Facebook marketplace that's.
Speaker 2: Hideous at unacceptable and expelled. Can't be involved, have some
Speaker 2: decor and at least wait.
Speaker 1: I'm more talking about if you say, you get a
Speaker 1: candle or something and then you don't really need it
Speaker 1: or you're stressed, and then you end up regifting it
Speaker 1: to someone else. Do you think that's wrong?
Speaker 2: No, I don't think it's wrong, but I would say, like,
Speaker 2: what is the reason for the regift?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Like, I've had people who've given me something before that
Speaker 2: I've already got one off and then I've on gifted that,
Speaker 2: But I do think it's important as to what tiers
Speaker 2: you're gifting, right, if you get from your immediate family
Speaker 2: or friends, what i'll call tier one. If you get
Speaker 2: a gift from tier one friends or family and then
Speaker 2: you gift it to someone else in tier one, you're
Speaker 2: a fucking idiot. I mean, you shouldn't be mixing tiers
Speaker 2: with a regift. I'd want to make sure there's sufficient
Speaker 2: separation between those groups. If I get something from tier two,
Speaker 2: it has to be going out to like tiers three,
Speaker 2: four or five, right like it needs to be going far.
Speaker 2: You need arms length, you need distance. Don't be getting
Speaker 2: something from your you know, your best friend and then
Speaker 2: giving it to one of your other friends. That's just
Speaker 2: a stupid mistake to make. But I think that for me,
Speaker 2: it's actually what were two years ago, maybe now, maybe
Speaker 2: not even that long. I can't remember. I bought a
Speaker 2: new set of cutlery from Mayer and turns out that
Speaker 2: the cutlery was a wedding gift because when I opened
Speaker 2: the box and had the wedding card inside, Yeah, not good.
Speaker 2: And what was funny was I just it was the
Speaker 2: greatest thing that's ever happened in my whole life because
Speaker 2: I imagine how much crap you get it. I'm not married,
Speaker 2: but I imagine you get so much crap, right, and like
Speaker 2: people just don't care, Like what's a wedding gift? Had
Speaker 2: bizarre so you're gonna get all sorts of weird stuff.
Speaker 2: So I have no issue with the fact that someone
Speaker 2: returned it. What was fabulous is that it's cutlery. It's
Speaker 2: been returned and it hasn't been checked over well enough
Speaker 2: on the return process to an end of my fucking
Speaker 2: card inside, Like come on anyway. So I thought that
Speaker 2: was fabulous, so I of course put it on my Instagram. Well,
Speaker 2: didn't we start a storm? I was on the news.
Speaker 2: The bribe came forward to me privately and was like,
Speaker 2: please pull it down as a whole moment.
Speaker 1: Oh, that is so awkward.
Speaker 2: I know it was a whole situation if you google
Speaker 2: it still online. And I was like, I mean, I
Speaker 2: was like, to calm down. It's a set of cutlery.
Speaker 2: They didn't buy you a bloody part or something. I mean,
Speaker 2: when you're kidneys. I mean, I don't think it was
Speaker 2: any when you look. Sorry, we didn't like the cutlery.
Speaker 2: I mean I'm not sure why there was fabulous, but
Speaker 2: you know, maybe you've got two sets or something. I
Speaker 2: really don't know, but you know, I think that whole
Speaker 2: idea of keeping two sets of cutlery is gone. I
Speaker 2: don't why woud anyone care. They were very sensitive about it,
Speaker 2: and I was like, do you guys need to calm down?
Speaker 2: How much if it all came to the waiting get
Speaker 2: to gin with.
Speaker 1: On the topic of family, do you think and I
Speaker 1: suppose for people who have a partner, will do you
Speaker 1: agree in splitting time evenly with you and your partner's family,
Speaker 1: like should it be fifty to fifty? And taking into
Speaker 1: account maybe people's partners families who don't do Christmas the
Speaker 1: way you would like it.
Speaker 2: So you're saying, if you're forced to go to your
Speaker 2: partner's family's house and they're you know, no concept of
Speaker 2: Christmas Grench vibes, and you don't want to be there.
Speaker 2: You don't want to have to spend adequate time there.
Speaker 2: Issue with your family is celebrating it correctly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, should it be fifty to fifty then no.
Speaker 2: I don't buy anything anything it's fifty to fifty. Well, so,
Speaker 2: I mean it's very fear election. You're running fifty to
Speaker 2: fifty surely if it is, you're running it wrong. But
Speaker 2: I would say that probably No. I think it comes
Speaker 2: down to where do you want to You know there's
Speaker 2: a requirement, right, but you can't just refuse to go somewhere.
Speaker 2: But I don't think you need to be spending, you know,
Speaker 2: an obnoxious amount of time. If your partner wants to
Speaker 2: go fill your boots, happy to make an appearance, happy
Speaker 2: to do a drop in. It's very devil wors privor
Speaker 2: isn't it how it dropped me up at eight thirty
Speaker 2: and pick me up at eight forty five strong? I
Speaker 2: think it's fine to you need to go right, you've
Speaker 2: got to be in the right spirit and you've got
Speaker 2: to go and you've and I think that's the key, right,
Speaker 2: It's not about the length of time, it's about the
Speaker 2: quality of time. Make sure you go be the starring
Speaker 2: role and then lead. But you can't go sit in
Speaker 2: the corner and then be that sad person who's like, well,
Speaker 2: I didn't want to come here anyway for anyone. You
Speaker 2: go in, you compliment the awful cheese platter with that
Speaker 2: terrible sausage they use it. They don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 2: And then you know all the fact that out it's fabulous.
Speaker 2: Look at the tree that blew, that tear, that's just fabulous,
Speaker 2: and you know you're complimenting everything. Everyone's having a great day.
Speaker 2: I'm so terribly sorry. I didn't realize this was an
Speaker 2: afternoon thing. Otherwise I would have extended more time, but
Speaker 2: I can't stay otherwisese you become that person who sat
Speaker 2: in the corner and they're like, well, she's a rude bitch,
Speaker 2: you know, like plastic for a table runner, stunning, never
Speaker 2: thought of it. Good for you. But as I said,
Speaker 2: it is one of those times of years where you know,
Speaker 2: if you've got the ability to fake the present moment,
Speaker 2: you can fake a Christmas lunch. Really, I always I
Speaker 2: was joking a real close to me. It was joke
Speaker 2: that there's two SAMs. It's just normally and then there's
Speaker 2: pr Sam and you go to an event and it's
Speaker 2: just everything is more exciting and more vibrant than pr
Speaker 2: Dams at the event. You know, Oh domestic sparkling. I
Speaker 2: love that. Who drinks champagne? Oh how are you? You know,
Speaker 2: it's very over the top and that's Christmas to me.
Speaker 2: You've got to bring it because I also find if
Speaker 2: you are presenting yourself at a higher level in those situations, happy,
Speaker 2: more vibrant, it will turn true if you sit there
Speaker 2: and you're stand about it. It's not about faking it
Speaker 2: per se. But the more that you put into it,
Speaker 2: the more that you'll get out of it. And so
Speaker 2: I find in those situations there will always be and
Speaker 2: it's my challenge every time I get on it. But
Speaker 2: I don't like. My challenge is to find that the
Speaker 2: one thing that was done well, and if you can
Speaker 2: find it, you succeeded and you can go home happy.
Speaker 1: That's fantastic advice. Just lastly, we are mindful of your time. Sorry,
Speaker 1: but how will you be celebrating Christmas this year?
Speaker 2: So I don't actually know if we've got completely firm plans.
Speaker 2: So every year my family, my extended family alternates, so
Speaker 2: it's Christmas Day, it's Boxing Day because of the alternating
Speaker 2: family situation. You know, whether you spend Christmas with your
Speaker 2: partner's family or with your family, So we alternate it
Speaker 2: so that on our cousins and aunties and whatnot can
Speaker 2: also alternate with their families so this year it's Boxing
Speaker 2: dayd Our Broader Family Christmas, which I have a Boxing
Speaker 2: Day pop up for the cosmetic business that I'm will
Speaker 2: be involved in. I'll also I didn't do media last year.
Speaker 2: The team took it, so I'll take it this year.
Speaker 2: So I'll be working probably four am Boxing Day. Then
Speaker 2: we'll be hosting the Christmas lunch in the afternoon. Christmas
Speaker 2: Day though, will be breakfast probably Courtney's house is it
Speaker 2: a Courtney r mum, And then we'll have Yeah, we've
Speaker 2: still got to decide kind of what we're doing in
Speaker 2: the afternoon evening was kind of up in the air
Speaker 2: for decisions at the moment because we only just heard
Speaker 2: that it is Boxing Day this year, because there was
Speaker 2: some debate that it might be Christmas Day, but it
Speaker 2: is in fact Boxing Day. But it's all family, right,
Speaker 2: It's all very much, you know, sitting around and you
Speaker 2: don't really do anything right like like a Thursday. But
Speaker 2: for some reason, it's a different vibe. And I think that,
Speaker 2: to me is the point to be made about Christmas
Speaker 2: in general. What is the difference between having lunch on
Speaker 2: Christmas Day versus a Thursday. You can't explain it, but
Speaker 2: it's not the same.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's so true. I mean we're thirty two. And
Speaker 1: Mum was like, because I was trying to all work
Speaker 1: out what we're going to do because there's so many
Speaker 1: you don't want to disappoint anyone. You want to see everyone,
Speaker 1: and it's such a fall on day. And Mom's like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: just don't come around in the morning to do presents
Speaker 1: under the tree. And I was like, Mum, we are
Speaker 1: not canceling that. That is my favorite part of the
Speaker 1: day because I know we're probably too old, but we
Speaker 1: still go to our mum and dad's house and open
Speaker 1: our presence under the tree in our old Santa sack.
Speaker 1: It's just indescribable the feeling. It's so happy and beautiful.
Speaker 2: That's it. But you know the difference is you still
Speaker 2: have to bring that right like it's that doesn't you know,
Speaker 2: that doesn't come from nowhere. You can easily skip that.
Speaker 2: You could do it at lunch, you could. You know,
Speaker 2: Traditions and whatnot like that are are a matter of routine.
Speaker 2: Either you keep it up or they die. They don't
Speaker 2: just exist forever. And that's why I'm so particular about
Speaker 2: Christmas because it wouldn't take very long for Christmas and
Speaker 2: as a commer to slow and die down, and that's
Speaker 2: the truth of it. But we shouldn't let that happen.
Speaker 2: And I think that that's what's very generational, right, like
Speaker 2: the reason that you go even though you know and
Speaker 2: the concept and it's funny we all say it, But
Speaker 2: why does being thirty two and open president of the
Speaker 2: Christas Tree matter more than if you're ten? You know
Speaker 2: what I mean? Arguably there's you know, some more excitement
Speaker 2: in the fact that it is in some random stranger
Speaker 2: in a red suit that you're all actually giving in
Speaker 2: exchanging gifts from each other, spending your own heart and money.
Speaker 2: You went out and you tried to find a gift.
Speaker 2: You've all made the time to come together today. The
Speaker 2: entire world has made the point to stop working and
Speaker 2: do nothing for the day, so you can actually do that,
Speaker 2: and everyone agreed on that, which is something else truly shocking. No,
Speaker 2: like all of these things come together for you to
Speaker 2: have one day or you know, however long you choose
Speaker 2: to make it, but at least one day of quietness.
Speaker 2: You know, whether that be time for yourself, time for
Speaker 2: you and your family, you and your friends, whatever it
Speaker 2: might be, and so there's something special about it, but
Speaker 2: it's only specially if you identify it and celebrate it.
Speaker 2: And that's piece that I think is the most important.
Speaker 2: It's not about who has the nicest tinsel or the
Speaker 2: biggest tree or the most expensive gift. It's how specially
Speaker 2: you make the day because all the foundations are there,
Speaker 2: but you still have to put in some work.
Speaker 1: What a great point to end this episode on. We
Speaker 1: hope you have a very merry Christmas. Sam, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for joining us.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. He's always love
Speaker 2: you guys, love the podcast. All right, very merry Christmas
Speaker 2: to you guys as well. I will no doubt speak
Speaker 2: to you on Instagram between now and then.
Speaker 1: Now you can follow Sam on Instagram at Sam mangan
Speaker 1: which is Sam m A N G A N and
Speaker 1: listen to his podcast literally nobody cares on all good
Speaker 1: podcast platforms. He actually launched his own Christmas series last year.
Speaker 1: I'm not too sure if he's doing the same this
Speaker 1: year because he is extremely busy, but fingers crossed.
Speaker 3: There is a cult of Christmas where people start sort
Speaker 3: of choosing a theme in October, saying I think I
Speaker 3: have the tartan Christmas and then they sort of make
Speaker 3: their own decorations for the tree and maybe spray some
Speaker 3: walnuts silver and all that sort of thing. Well, when
Speaker 3: you've got a life, those kind of things sort of
Speaker 3: slide away to insignificance. You just think that I used
Speaker 3: to make my own Christmas cards, but i've what's unemployed.
Speaker 1: Now moving on to Christmas recommendations, and I have absolutely
Speaker 1: been loving the Christmas themed videos on Saffron Barker's YouTube channel. Now,
Speaker 1: the UK influencer has been very generous and shared two
Speaker 1: Christmas theme videos in the last week now. One of
Speaker 1: the videos is all about trying out the UK Christmas menu. Now,
Speaker 1: as we spoke about it with Sam, I am so
Speaker 1: jealous that in Australia we don't have a Christmas theme menu,
Speaker 1: but you can check out what the UK currently has
Speaker 1: at their McDonald's and feel a little bit jealous. She
Speaker 1: also filmed another video of only eating Christmas foods for
Speaker 1: twenty four hours, and I just feel these videos really
Speaker 1: get me into the Christmas spirit because they only come
Speaker 1: around once a year and it's really only specific YouTubers
Speaker 1: who do them, and it's the YouTubers like Saffron and
Speaker 1: Anastasia Kings North who seem to put a lot more
Speaker 1: effort into their channel and are regularly uploading, so I
Speaker 1: would keep an eye on both of their channels for
Speaker 1: more Christmas content.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: My second recommendation is the Gray Lines Christmas pajama range,
Speaker 1: which launched earlier this week. Now, Amy and Sophie and
Speaker 1: I had a fangirl moment because Gray Lines reached out
Speaker 1: to us and asked if they could gift us a
Speaker 1: couple of pairs of pajamas and I have been buying
Speaker 1: from their store for so long. I have a cup
Speaker 1: with ross kel from friends on there that I use
Speaker 1: all the time, and I've got to say their pajamas
Speaker 1: don't disappoint. When they arrived, I cracked up because there's
Speaker 1: one with a big Pavlova on the front and all
Speaker 1: over the shorts and it says it's time for a
Speaker 1: fucking pavvy. And then there's also another one with a
Speaker 1: bin turkey with Christmas lights on it. So if you
Speaker 1: are looking for some Christmas pajamas, I suggest checking those out.
Speaker 1: Fine things are really heating up at my household. I
Speaker 1: have got my Christmas lights I went down to Bunning's
Speaker 1: and pick those out, and I've got to say they
Speaker 1: have an amazing selection of blow up outdoor Christmas lights.
Speaker 1: So I got a big Santa with slippers and it
Speaker 1: looks like he's holding a Starbucks coffee and he's wearing pajamas. Now,
Speaker 1: Amy actually wanted the Santa, but I managed to get him,
Speaker 1: so I don't know how that worked out. She actually
Speaker 1: can't have a blow up Santa out the front because
Speaker 1: it will probably get stolen. Luckily, I live up in
Speaker 1: the Adelaide Hiels and I'd be very surprised. I hope
Speaker 1: I'm not jinxing myself if it did get taken. Fingers
Speaker 1: cross it won't. So this weekend I'm hoping that my
Speaker 1: outdoor lights will be set up and I'll be able
Speaker 1: to share it on Facebook with you all. Well, I
Speaker 1: think that's all we've got time for today. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for listening to our second episode of a
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