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Speaker 1: What do you think is the right etiquette when you

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Speaker 2: For me, if you're receiving a gift that you don't like,

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Speaker 2: I think you just need to And this is the

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Speaker 2: especially at this time that you're in Christmas, right like

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Speaker 2: tyger wondering how the how you're not there. Everyone has

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Speaker 2: practiced in their lifetime this moment that fakes smile, the

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Speaker 1: We're thrilled to have Sam Mangan joining us as a

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Speaker 1: guest on today's episode of A Very Outspoken Christmas. Sam

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Speaker 1: is the founder and CEO of a range of brands

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Speaker 1: and companies, including Spin and Co, James Cosmetics, and the

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Speaker 1: Spin Studio. Sam also doesn't shy away from the spotlight himself.

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Speaker 1: With over one hundred thousand followers on Instagram, thanks to

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Speaker 1: his hilarious rants. Now Sam is a man after our own,

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Speaker 1: as he is not only incredibly smart and hilarious, but

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Speaker 1: loves Christmas just as much as we do. Now, Sam,

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Speaker 1: when we think of Christmas, we must admit we immediately

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Speaker 1: think of you. What is it that you love most

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Speaker 1: about Christmas?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's very kind of you to say, thank you

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Speaker 2: very much. And if there's any which way I wish

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Speaker 2: It's the spirit. And I know that probably sounds super

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Speaker 2: as if there was some assumption that it isn't. And

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Speaker 2: when you even think about how long ANSWRAVI to your question.

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Speaker 2: For me, when you think about the end of the year, right,

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Speaker 1: I could not agree more because I feel like whenever

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Speaker 2: The Hot Cross buns are out too early, the chocolate

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Speaker 2: people celebrate their birthdays over a whole month. Some people

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Speaker 2: make your own decision. Personally, there is no greater home

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Speaker 2: You know, you're walking from my front door, you look

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Speaker 1: Oh, I could not agree more because at work they

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Speaker 2: not everyone can afford to dress nicely. It isn't a

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Speaker 2: necessarily linked to financials right now. Sure some trees might

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Speaker 2: spending too much money, it's about this, is about that. No,

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Speaker 2: it's about a bit of innovation. Nothing's changed, you know

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Speaker 2: I hate my job? This? That, and now they get

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, my boyfriend suggested that we get a Kma

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Speaker 2: Look, it's a tough one. I mean for me, I'm

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Speaker 2: But certainly Bolst have had some amazing trees. I literally

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Speaker 2: I mean that's a good deal. But surely, and what

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Speaker 2: They're surely not selling trees now that aren't going to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just scared because you know how like

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Speaker 2: That was such a vibe. I've never had an old tree,

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Speaker 2: but that is such a vibe. I'm right into that.

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Speaker 2: But certainly in terms of guarantee that every year you

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Speaker 2: So I mean that's and also not having to do

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Speaker 2: I think let's not get too complicated, right, just stick

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Speaker 2: was kind of a party that sort of slowly grews.

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00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,000
Speaker 2: I originally threw a dinner party for my friends four

431
00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,200
Speaker 2: years ago called friend Mess, and it was a seated

432
00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:05,080
Speaker 2: dinner party. I have all my furniture removed from the house.

433
00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,560
Speaker 2: I had a big long table put in. It's a

434
00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,800
Speaker 2: catered event, you know, beautiful. And then the next year

435
00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:12,120
Speaker 2: it was kind of like I can't take that many

436
00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,200
Speaker 2: people in my house, Like it's getting ridiculous. So then

437
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,680
Speaker 2: we move to just like a stated party, same thing

438
00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,640
Speaker 2: though I have all the furniture removed from my house.

439
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,760
Speaker 2: I have all new festive furniture put in. I have

440
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,720
Speaker 2: a photo moment installed every year, which is usually something floral,

441
00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,160
Speaker 2: you know, a new bar, I have staff, the whole

442
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,560
Speaker 2: set of bits. So it's a big night to me.

443
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,679
Speaker 2: I love it because it's a it's at home, and

444
00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,040
Speaker 2: I feel like the house party dies after you kind

445
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,480
Speaker 2: of leave, sort of like high schooling times. It's a

446
00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,760
Speaker 2: couple of people over for a drink. But there's something

447
00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,199
Speaker 2: to be said about a house party in that everyone

448
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 2: feels super comfortable. It's a safe space. You control the music,

449
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,360
Speaker 2: you controls it of all the bits and pieces. So yeah,

450
00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:54,359
Speaker 2: every year we've got a selection cocktail list, which is

451
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,960
Speaker 2: usually inspired by whatever I'm drinking that year. It's all

452
00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,160
Speaker 2: custom menus, it's custom invites, it's a whole moment. Last

453
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:02,960
Speaker 2: year I had like a Garden of Eden moment, put

454
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,440
Speaker 2: in this huge, big arch with all reds and greeneries

455
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,879
Speaker 2: all throughout, which is pretty cool. This year it's going

456
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 2: to be a bit more of a So here's the issue, right, God,

457
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,159
Speaker 2: this is getting real deep at the Christmas. Here is

458
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 2: my problem. My tree in my house is currently themed

459
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 2: a classic Christmas, so I think tartans and again golds

460
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 2: and reds and green, et cetera. And so it makes

461
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 2: it hard to go too far outside that realm with

462
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,399
Speaker 2: a different theme. Whereas next year, I think it's a

463
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 2: good chance we'll be resetting all of the decorations and

464
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 2: going for a different type. But I'm looking to see

465
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,479
Speaker 2: if a friend has to do something a little bit

466
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 2: more winter inspired. So that's what I'm currently working for,

467
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 2: inventing people on at the moment.

468
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,359
Speaker 1: That sounds amazing and is there is there a bit

469
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,359
Speaker 1: of a strict criteria of who is allowed to come

470
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 1: to your party because it sounds fabulous and I'm sure

471
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,679
Speaker 1: you don't want sort of Christmas haters there are you

472
00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:58,680
Speaker 1: trying to get in? Amy?

473
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah, it's a very It's a contentious

474
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,120
Speaker 2: guest list every year for me. So the event is friendness,

475
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,479
Speaker 2: in which it is my close friends. We don't invite.

476
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 2: It's not a client event. It's not all my staff

477
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 2: at the office event. It's not even a lot of

478
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 2: my family don't attend. So Courtney is there obviously, but

479
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,159
Speaker 2: it's the whole purpose of the event was that I

480
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 2: designed it around it's my close friends having a great

481
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 2: night because I find the older that you get, the

482
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 2: harder it is to nail down to be friends. There's kids,

483
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 2: there's other engagements in both there's so much going on

484
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 2: that I didn't want another night where you bring everyone

485
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 2: in it kind of and you guys would know right

486
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,640
Speaker 2: if you start opening up invites, it starts ballooning and

487
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you don't get to see some

488
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 2: of those people. That was the whole purpose of the event.

489
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 2: So we keep it very tight at the guest list

490
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 2: and we go right over the top for the number

491
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 2: of people there I can confirm. But that's kind of

492
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 2: why I want to keep it in the house. I

493
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 2: like it just being my media friends because then you

494
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 2: just have such a good night and it's kind of

495
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 2: like literally once a year where I can get that

496
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 2: volume of my closest people all in one room. People

497
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 2: will fly in from Melbourne or Sydney or if they

498
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 2: are for it, and so it's always a nice whereas

499
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 2: I always find some times you end up at you know,

500
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 2: so many Christmas parties get thrown this time of year,

501
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 2: and you go to some of them and you're looking around, like,

502
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 2: who are you? Like? You know what I mean, I

503
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 2: don't want second tier friends there. I don't want third

504
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 2: tier friends, you know.

505
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: I mean, like, yeah, and you don't want a baby.

506
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 2: I gonna invite that one. Yeah, you don't want the babysitting,

507
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 2: you don't want Yeah, it's a no from me, which

508
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 2: is the same reason for my company Christmas party. I

509
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 2: ban partners.

510
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 1: Oh that's that's a good idea. I mean, let's be honest.

511
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 1: I feel like some weddings should do that too, because

512
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 1: you know, when you're having to like Kate's organizing a

513
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: wedding at the moment, and you know, you start to

514
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,479
Speaker 1: really consider who your close friends are when you've got

515
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: to pay per head and you're like, oh, I don't

516
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 1: really know their partner at.

517
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 2: All one hundred percent will yeah, for the company Christmas party.

518
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 2: I'm real particular and I don't like any partners I

519
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 2: own included, just purely because I find it's way too

520
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 2: difficult and takes away from the point of the whole

521
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 2: team having a great night together. Rather than you sitting

522
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 2: with your partner explaining every inside joke you're introducing them to.

523
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 2: I hate that. I'd rather just you know, you can

524
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 2: see your partner the whole of Christmas. For our company night,

525
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 2: we have no partners, and.

526
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: Let's be honest, your partner doesn't really want to go.

527
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 1: Like my partner's trying to get out of my staff

528
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 1: Christmas party, and I don't blame him, Like you know,

529
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: it's sometimes awkward and it just goes on and as

530
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: you said, the inside jokes and yeah, it just doesn't work.

531
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 2: It's very very hard. I mean, we do get a

532
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 2: lot of water companies, We've got an open Bill's event,

533
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 2: but we continue to unfortunately reject them.

534
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: Well, if you're cool, we might jump into some of

535
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 1: our social dilemmas because we think you would be able

536
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 1: to provide some great help to our listeners on these

537
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: Christmas related ones. So firstly, as you know, gift giving

538
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: can be quite awkward. What do you think is the

539
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: right etiquette when you receive a gift you don't like?

540
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,959
Speaker 2: I mean, it's always happiness, right Like, I'm never one

541
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 2: to turn around and be like this is vile. What

542
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 2: plan do you want? I have certainly received some gifts

543
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,199
Speaker 2: in the path that I've met that criteria, but for me,

544
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 2: and I hate receiving gifts personally, I love giving a

545
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 2: gift give out an outrageous number, but don't like receiving gifts,

546
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 2: mostly because they just don't like people spending their money

547
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 2: and you know what, noto on me, but for me,

548
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 2: if you're receiving a gift that you don't like, I

549
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 2: think you just need to And this is the worst

550
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 2: part of it, right, Like everyone's doing it every day,

551
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 2: especially at this time that you're in Christmas right like

552
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: you're at the shopping ceting, you're run into fifteen people

553
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 2: you know you met twice in high school, never spoke to,

554
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden you're best friends. Dandy outside target,

555
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 2: wondering how the hell you got there. Everyone has practiced

556
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 2: in their lifetime this moment, that fake smile, the elevation

557
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 2: of the eyebrows, that real like, oh my god, here

558
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,439
Speaker 2: it is. This is the thing I didn't want, and

559
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 2: here it is now to be stagulous, you know. And

560
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 2: I think that's crucial because especially what I don't like

561
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: around this time of the year is the people who

562
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 2: go out and purchase too many gift cards. I'm not

563
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: a gift card lover. If you've gone out on board

564
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 2: gift cards, I'm not hugely on board with that. There

565
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 2: are some people who just say that's what I prefer,

566
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 2: and I'd rather be that. But I do find if

567
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 2: it's more of your inner circle, that if someone has

568
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 2: taken the time to go out and buy something, even

569
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 2: though they've missed completely, it may just indicate to you

570
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 2: that they don't really know you very well. Maybe next

571
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: year they're not getting invite your friendness, But it's important

572
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 2: to I think in that moment acknowledge the fact that

573
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 2: they've gone out of their way, they've spent their own money,

574
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 2: and they've got something. You can have the discussion later

575
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 2: on in your own private time when you think that

576
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 2: maybe it was a regift, but in the moment, I

577
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 2: think you've got to, you know, get your acting abilities

578
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 2: moving well.

579
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: On the topic of regifting, what are your thoughts on that?

580
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: Is it a big no?

581
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 2: What are we regifting? Gifting? An example?

582
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: Well, do you mean sort of like you've got a

583
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: dad gift? What do you do with it? Because some

584
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: people put it straight up on Facebook marketplace that's.

585
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 2: Hideous at unacceptable and expelled. Can't be involved, have some

586
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 2: decor and at least wait.

587
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: I'm more talking about if you say, you get a

588
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: candle or something and then you don't really need it

589
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 1: or you're stressed, and then you end up regifting it

590
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: to someone else. Do you think that's wrong?

591
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 2: No, I don't think it's wrong, but I would say, like,

592
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: what is the reason for the regift?

593
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: Right?

594
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 2: Like, I've had people who've given me something before that

595
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 2: I've already got one off and then I've on gifted that,

596
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 2: But I do think it's important as to what tiers

597
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 2: you're gifting, right, if you get from your immediate family

598
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: or friends, what i'll call tier one. If you get

599
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 2: a gift from tier one friends or family and then

600
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: you gift it to someone else in tier one, you're

601
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 2: a fucking idiot. I mean, you shouldn't be mixing tiers

602
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 2: with a regift. I'd want to make sure there's sufficient

603
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 2: separation between those groups. If I get something from tier two,

604
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: it has to be going out to like tiers three,

605
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: four or five, right like it needs to be going far.

606
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 2: You need arms length, you need distance. Don't be getting

607
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 2: something from your you know, your best friend and then

608
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 2: giving it to one of your other friends. That's just

609
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: a stupid mistake to make. But I think that for me,

610
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: it's actually what were two years ago, maybe now, maybe

611
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 2: not even that long. I can't remember. I bought a

612
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 2: new set of cutlery from Mayer and turns out that

613
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: the cutlery was a wedding gift because when I opened

614
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 2: the box and had the wedding card inside, Yeah, not good.

615
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 2: And what was funny was I just it was the

616
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 2: greatest thing that's ever happened in my whole life because

617
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 2: I imagine how much crap you get it. I'm not married,

618
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 2: but I imagine you get so much crap, right, and like

619
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,959
Speaker 2: people just don't care, Like what's a wedding gift? Had

620
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 2: bizarre so you're gonna get all sorts of weird stuff.

621
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: So I have no issue with the fact that someone

622
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 2: returned it. What was fabulous is that it's cutlery. It's

623
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 2: been returned and it hasn't been checked over well enough

624
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: on the return process to an end of my fucking

625
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: card inside, Like come on anyway. So I thought that

626
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: was fabulous, so I of course put it on my Instagram. Well,

627
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 2: didn't we start a storm? I was on the news.

628
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: The bribe came forward to me privately and was like,

629
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 2: please pull it down as a whole moment.

630
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: Oh, that is so awkward.

631
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: I know it was a whole situation if you google

632
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: it still online. And I was like, I mean, I

633
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 2: was like, to calm down. It's a set of cutlery.

634
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: They didn't buy you a bloody part or something. I mean,

635
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 2: when you're kidneys. I mean, I don't think it was

636
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 2: any when you look. Sorry, we didn't like the cutlery.

637
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: I mean I'm not sure why there was fabulous, but

638
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: you know, maybe you've got two sets or something. I

639
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: really don't know, but you know, I think that whole

640
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: idea of keeping two sets of cutlery is gone. I

641
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: don't why woud anyone care. They were very sensitive about it,

642
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: and I was like, do you guys need to calm down?

643
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: How much if it all came to the waiting get

644
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Speaker 2: to gin with.

645
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Speaker 1: On the topic of family, do you think and I

646
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: suppose for people who have a partner, will do you

647
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: agree in splitting time evenly with you and your partner's family,

648
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: like should it be fifty to fifty? And taking into

649
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Speaker 1: account maybe people's partners families who don't do Christmas the

650
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Speaker 1: way you would like it.

651
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Speaker 2: So you're saying, if you're forced to go to your

652
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: partner's family's house and they're you know, no concept of

653
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 2: Christmas Grench vibes, and you don't want to be there.

654
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: You don't want to have to spend adequate time there.

655
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 2: Issue with your family is celebrating it correctly.

656
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Speaker 1: Yeah, should it be fifty to fifty then no.

657
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 2: I don't buy anything anything it's fifty to fifty. Well, so,

658
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: I mean it's very fear election. You're running fifty to

659
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: fifty surely if it is, you're running it wrong. But

660
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: I would say that probably No. I think it comes

661
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: down to where do you want to You know there's

662
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 2: a requirement, right, but you can't just refuse to go somewhere.

663
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: But I don't think you need to be spending, you know,

664
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Speaker 2: an obnoxious amount of time. If your partner wants to

665
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 2: go fill your boots, happy to make an appearance, happy

666
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: to do a drop in. It's very devil wors privor

667
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 2: isn't it how it dropped me up at eight thirty

668
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 2: and pick me up at eight forty five strong? I

669
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: think it's fine to you need to go right, you've

670
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 2: got to be in the right spirit and you've got

671
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: to go and you've and I think that's the key, right,

672
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: It's not about the length of time, it's about the

673
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Speaker 2: quality of time. Make sure you go be the starring

674
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 2: role and then lead. But you can't go sit in

675
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,239
Speaker 2: the corner and then be that sad person who's like, well,

676
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: I didn't want to come here anyway for anyone. You

677
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: go in, you compliment the awful cheese platter with that

678
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 2: terrible sausage they use it. They don't know what they're doing.

679
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: And then you know all the fact that out it's fabulous.

680
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 2: Look at the tree that blew, that tear, that's just fabulous,

681
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: and you know you're complimenting everything. Everyone's having a great day.

682
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: I'm so terribly sorry. I didn't realize this was an

683
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: afternoon thing. Otherwise I would have extended more time, but

684
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: I can't stay otherwisese you become that person who sat

685
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 2: in the corner and they're like, well, she's a rude bitch,

686
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: you know, like plastic for a table runner, stunning, never

687
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: thought of it. Good for you. But as I said,

688
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,719
Speaker 2: it is one of those times of years where you know,

689
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: if you've got the ability to fake the present moment,

690
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: you can fake a Christmas lunch. Really, I always I

691
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: was joking a real close to me. It was joke

692
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: that there's two SAMs. It's just normally and then there's

693
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: pr Sam and you go to an event and it's

694
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: just everything is more exciting and more vibrant than pr

695
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: Dams at the event. You know, Oh domestic sparkling. I

696
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: love that. Who drinks champagne? Oh how are you? You know,

697
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 2: it's very over the top and that's Christmas to me.

698
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 2: You've got to bring it because I also find if

699
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: you are presenting yourself at a higher level in those situations, happy,

700
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: more vibrant, it will turn true if you sit there

701
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: and you're stand about it. It's not about faking it

702
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: per se. But the more that you put into it,

703
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: the more that you'll get out of it. And so

704
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: I find in those situations there will always be and

705
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 2: it's my challenge every time I get on it. But

706
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: I don't like. My challenge is to find that the

707
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: one thing that was done well, and if you can

708
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 2: find it, you succeeded and you can go home happy.

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Speaker 1: That's fantastic advice. Just lastly, we are mindful of your time. Sorry,

710
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: but how will you be celebrating Christmas this year?

711
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: So I don't actually know if we've got completely firm plans.

712
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 2: So every year my family, my extended family alternates, so

713
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: it's Christmas Day, it's Boxing Day because of the alternating

714
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Speaker 2: family situation. You know, whether you spend Christmas with your

715
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: partner's family or with your family, So we alternate it

716
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: so that on our cousins and aunties and whatnot can

717
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 2: also alternate with their families so this year it's Boxing

718
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Speaker 2: dayd Our Broader Family Christmas, which I have a Boxing

719
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Speaker 2: Day pop up for the cosmetic business that I'm will

720
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 2: be involved in. I'll also I didn't do media last year.

721
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 2: The team took it, so I'll take it this year.

722
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Speaker 2: So I'll be working probably four am Boxing Day. Then

723
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Speaker 2: we'll be hosting the Christmas lunch in the afternoon. Christmas

724
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Speaker 2: Day though, will be breakfast probably Courtney's house is it

725
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Speaker 2: a Courtney r mum, And then we'll have Yeah, we've

726
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: still got to decide kind of what we're doing in

727
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: the afternoon evening was kind of up in the air

728
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: for decisions at the moment because we only just heard

729
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Speaker 2: that it is Boxing Day this year, because there was

730
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Speaker 2: some debate that it might be Christmas Day, but it

731
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: is in fact Boxing Day. But it's all family, right,

732
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 2: It's all very much, you know, sitting around and you

733
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 2: don't really do anything right like like a Thursday. But

734
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Speaker 2: for some reason, it's a different vibe. And I think that,

735
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Speaker 2: to me is the point to be made about Christmas

736
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Speaker 2: in general. What is the difference between having lunch on

737
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: Christmas Day versus a Thursday. You can't explain it, but

738
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Speaker 2: it's not the same.

739
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Speaker 1: Oh, it's so true. I mean we're thirty two. And

740
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: Mum was like, because I was trying to all work

741
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: out what we're going to do because there's so many

742
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: you don't want to disappoint anyone. You want to see everyone,

743
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: and it's such a fall on day. And Mom's like, oh, well,

744
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: just don't come around in the morning to do presents

745
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: under the tree. And I was like, Mum, we are

746
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: not canceling that. That is my favorite part of the

747
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Speaker 1: day because I know we're probably too old, but we

748
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: still go to our mum and dad's house and open

749
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: our presence under the tree in our old Santa sack.

750
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Speaker 1: It's just indescribable the feeling. It's so happy and beautiful.

751
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 2: That's it. But you know the difference is you still

752
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: have to bring that right like it's that doesn't you know,

753
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 2: that doesn't come from nowhere. You can easily skip that.

754
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: You could do it at lunch, you could. You know,

755
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: Traditions and whatnot like that are are a matter of routine.

756
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 2: Either you keep it up or they die. They don't

757
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: just exist forever. And that's why I'm so particular about

758
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 2: Christmas because it wouldn't take very long for Christmas and

759
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 2: as a commer to slow and die down, and that's

760
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 2: the truth of it. But we shouldn't let that happen.

761
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: And I think that that's what's very generational, right, like

762
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 2: the reason that you go even though you know and

763
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 2: the concept and it's funny we all say it, But

764
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: why does being thirty two and open president of the

765
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: Christas Tree matter more than if you're ten? You know

766
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 2: what I mean? Arguably there's you know, some more excitement

767
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: in the fact that it is in some random stranger

768
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 2: in a red suit that you're all actually giving in

769
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 2: exchanging gifts from each other, spending your own heart and money.

770
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 2: You went out and you tried to find a gift.

771
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: You've all made the time to come together today. The

772
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: entire world has made the point to stop working and

773
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 2: do nothing for the day, so you can actually do that,

774
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 2: and everyone agreed on that, which is something else truly shocking. No,

775
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 2: like all of these things come together for you to

776
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: have one day or you know, however long you choose

777
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 2: to make it, but at least one day of quietness.

778
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: You know, whether that be time for yourself, time for

779
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: you and your family, you and your friends, whatever it

780
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: might be, and so there's something special about it, but

781
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 2: it's only specially if you identify it and celebrate it.

782
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 2: And that's piece that I think is the most important.

783
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: It's not about who has the nicest tinsel or the

784
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 2: biggest tree or the most expensive gift. It's how specially

785
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: you make the day because all the foundations are there,

786
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 2: but you still have to put in some work.

787
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: What a great point to end this episode on. We

788
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: hope you have a very merry Christmas. Sam, thank you

789
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: so much for joining us.

790
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. He's always love

791
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: you guys, love the podcast. All right, very merry Christmas

792
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: to you guys as well. I will no doubt speak

793
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 2: to you on Instagram between now and then.

794
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: Now you can follow Sam on Instagram at Sam mangan

795
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: which is Sam m A N G A N and

796
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: listen to his podcast literally nobody cares on all good

797
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: podcast platforms. He actually launched his own Christmas series last year.

798
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: I'm not too sure if he's doing the same this

799
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: year because he is extremely busy, but fingers crossed.

800
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Speaker 3: There is a cult of Christmas where people start sort

801
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 3: of choosing a theme in October, saying I think I

802
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 3: have the tartan Christmas and then they sort of make

803
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 3: their own decorations for the tree and maybe spray some

804
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 3: walnuts silver and all that sort of thing. Well, when

805
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 3: you've got a life, those kind of things sort of

806
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 3: slide away to insignificance. You just think that I used

807
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 3: to make my own Christmas cards, but i've what's unemployed.

808
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: Now moving on to Christmas recommendations, and I have absolutely

809
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: been loving the Christmas themed videos on Saffron Barker's YouTube channel. Now,

810
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: the UK influencer has been very generous and shared two

811
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: Christmas theme videos in the last week now. One of

812
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: the videos is all about trying out the UK Christmas menu. Now,

813
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: as we spoke about it with Sam, I am so

814
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: jealous that in Australia we don't have a Christmas theme menu,

815
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: but you can check out what the UK currently has

816
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: at their McDonald's and feel a little bit jealous. She

817
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: also filmed another video of only eating Christmas foods for

818
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: twenty four hours, and I just feel these videos really

819
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: get me into the Christmas spirit because they only come

820
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: around once a year and it's really only specific YouTubers

821
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: who do them, and it's the YouTubers like Saffron and

822
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: Anastasia Kings North who seem to put a lot more

823
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: effort into their channel and are regularly uploading, so I

824
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: would keep an eye on both of their channels for

825
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: more Christmas content.

826
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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: My second recommendation is the Gray Lines Christmas pajama range,

828
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: which launched earlier this week. Now, Amy and Sophie and

829
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: I had a fangirl moment because Gray Lines reached out

830
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: to us and asked if they could gift us a

831
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: couple of pairs of pajamas and I have been buying

832
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: from their store for so long. I have a cup

833
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: with ross kel from friends on there that I use

834
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: all the time, and I've got to say their pajamas

835
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: don't disappoint. When they arrived, I cracked up because there's

836
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: one with a big Pavlova on the front and all

837
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: over the shorts and it says it's time for a

838
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: fucking pavvy. And then there's also another one with a

839
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: bin turkey with Christmas lights on it. So if you

840
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: are looking for some Christmas pajamas, I suggest checking those out.

841
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: Fine things are really heating up at my household. I

842
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: have got my Christmas lights I went down to Bunning's

843
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: and pick those out, and I've got to say they

844
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 1: have an amazing selection of blow up outdoor Christmas lights.

845
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: So I got a big Santa with slippers and it

846
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: looks like he's holding a Starbucks coffee and he's wearing pajamas. Now,

847
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: Amy actually wanted the Santa, but I managed to get him,

848
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: so I don't know how that worked out. She actually

849
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: can't have a blow up Santa out the front because

850
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: it will probably get stolen. Luckily, I live up in

851
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: the Adelaide Hiels and I'd be very surprised. I hope

852
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: I'm not jinxing myself if it did get taken. Fingers

853
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: cross it won't. So this weekend I'm hoping that my

854
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: outdoor lights will be set up and I'll be able

855
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: to share it on Facebook with you all. Well, I

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