1 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture. 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 2: News twice a week. 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: I'm Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Sammy 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: Gougenheimer opens up about her friendship, bust up with Easy 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: Armitage Carti, and Milan's freak accident. Laura Henshaw is mum 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: shamed over her birth plan, and Ellie Watson shocks her 8 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: followers by putting her insta worthy home on the market. 9 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: But first, we have some really exciting news we can 10 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: finally share that in twenty twenty six, we are launching 11 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: a new podcast called The Mum's Group. So it will 12 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: be our second podcast baby and run as a completely 13 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: separate entity to Outspoken. We did have a few concerned 14 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 1: listeners message us on Wednesday when we announce the news, saying, 15 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: oh my god, does that mean you're getting rid of Outspoken? 16 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: Definitely not. We're not going anywhere. Outspoken is still going 17 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: to run exactly the same, with two episodes a week 18 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: and one extra for the subs. I love that we 19 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: all couldn't find a mums group that we wanted to join, 20 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: so we just decided to create our own online Yeah. Also, 21 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: I feel like outspoken listeners are a little bit sick 22 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: of hearing us talk about mum things. So we're like, 23 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: we'll move it to a different space because outside of 24 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: speaking about influencers and pop culture, the majority of our 25 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: conversation these days are about motherhoods. We're like, well, that 26 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: is a podcast in itself. So, as I said, the 27 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: new series is going to start airing in twenty twenty six, 28 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: and we really want to build a community of mums 29 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: who really feel involved in our podcast. So if you 30 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: want to be a part of that community, we have 31 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: an Instagram account which is the mums Group Underscore Podcast, 32 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: as well as a Facebook community called the Mum's Group. 33 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: We'll also be launching a TikTok soon when the podcast 34 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,559 Speaker 1: goes live. Yeah, so we'll pop all the information about 35 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: mums Group in the show notes for those mums that 36 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: are interested. This is definitely one of those times in 37 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: life where if I don't laugh, I will definitely cry, 38 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: And the past week I have been sobbing my eyes out. 39 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: Kati Milan has shared the harrowing story of how she 40 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: knocked out her two front teeth. The og influencer conceded 41 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: she was lucky to be alive after a hellish day, Kate, can. 42 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 2: You tell us more well? 43 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: Late last week, Cartier sent her followers into a panic 44 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: when she shared shocking photos of her broken teeth. It 45 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: made me feel so ill because this is my worst nightmare, 46 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: and she followed up asking her followers if anyone could 47 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: recommend an emergency dentist. She then spent the next seven 48 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: hours waiting in emergency and ended up getting scans for 49 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: concussion as well as getting her heart checked and her 50 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: lip stitched up. The poor thing then had to wait 51 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: a further six hours to see an emergency dentist. Yeah, 52 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: and they were the only details that she actually shared 53 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: on her Instagram story about the incident. So a lot 54 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: of people were wondering, well, how did this actually happen? 55 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: And it wasn't until Thursday when Katia provided an update 56 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: revealing exactly how this accident had occurred. Yeah, So it 57 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: turns out she went out to dinner and came home 58 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: and then went to sleep, and in the middle of 59 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: the night she woke up feeling unwell. She said she 60 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: felt like she had a fever and was nauseous, so 61 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: she launched herself out of bed like she was going 62 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: to vomit and headed towards the toilet. It was at 63 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: this point she blacked out and woke up, with her 64 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: friend calling an ambulance and blood all over the floor. 65 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: Now thankfully, Cartier revealed that she was sharing a bed 66 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: with quote a friend, so I was thinking, oh, perhaps 67 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: this is a new boyfriend that we don't know about. 68 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: It's very lucky that that person was there, though, because 69 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: it turns out that Cartier fainted and smashed her head 70 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: into the toilet bowl and knocked her teeth out. She 71 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: said she blacked out with her eyes wide open and 72 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: started vomiting, so her friend had to put it in 73 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: the recovery position. She said, she was so lucky because 74 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: it could have been way worse. Well, it's terrifying because 75 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: imagine if she'd hit her head because the force of 76 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: her hitting her teeth, the fact that they were completely 77 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: smashed out, it just shows you how hard she fell. Yeah, 78 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: this could have been way worse. And Cartier said when 79 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: she started to sort of come to, she noticed that 80 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: she had no teeth because she could see them lying 81 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: on the bathroom floor, and she just kept saying, I 82 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: have no teeth. And it ended up taking her two 83 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: days to actually process what happened. Now the story gets 84 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: worse if you can even imagine that, because she said 85 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: she made the mistake of calling her mum at two 86 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: thirty and upon hearing what had happened to her daughter, 87 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: Cartier's mum ended up collapsing and smashing her mouth, so 88 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: she didn't actually break her teeth, but her tooth went 89 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: through her lip, so they both had to go to 90 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: the emergency room together. Terrible that when you said two thirty, 91 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: I was like, is that actually a joke? It's like 92 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: tooth has God, what a terrible coincidence. 93 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 3: I think there is a saying for a reason of 94 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 3: don't start a business as your best friend. Yes, yeah, 95 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 3: keep it like your friends. 96 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 1: Sammy guglm Heimer has all but confirmed her friendship and 97 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: business partnership with fellow influencer Easy Armitage is Over. Talking 98 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: on the Inherited podcast, The TikToker revealed the pair made 99 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 1: the decision to pull the pin on their joint podcast 100 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: to avoid a public friendship buster. Now, these women used 101 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: to be inseparable. They actually met working at Kukie and 102 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: from the they created the Just for Girls podcast as 103 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: a side hustle, and they just look like people who 104 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: would work at CUCOA. 105 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 4: Oh. 106 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: They absolute are like, yeah, We've actually spoken about this 107 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: before because Sam in Guggenheimer's other job was working at 108 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: Boost Juice, and I was like, of course that fits perf. 109 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: If she was a bit older, if she went to 110 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: school in the early two thousand, she would have worked 111 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: at Jetti Surf. Yes, definitely. And it turns out the 112 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: girls had a lot in common. They used to both 113 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: date AFL players, and they also both had subsequent public breakups. However, 114 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: earlier this year, followers began noticing that the pair were 115 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: spending less time together. Then there were the solo podcast announcements, 116 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 1: so in June, the girls revealed that they would be 117 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: hosting their own separate podcasts under the Just for Girl's umbrella. 118 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: At the time, they really tried to gloss over the 119 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: news by saying that, oh, we'll be releasing a monthly 120 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: episode of Just for Girls. That only happened once, though. 121 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: The first and last joint episode aired on the twentieth 122 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: of August, now the same month as the episode aired 123 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: and inside I told the Herald son it's no secret 124 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: they're no longer friends. The girls fought a lot in 125 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. They talked about it to everyone. The 126 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: source we had to say it was really nasty at times. 127 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: Who do you think that sauces coat? I mean, I'm 128 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: guessing someone that's had a falling out with both of them. 129 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: I'm we'll be surprised that the Herald Sun were interested, 130 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: but then I'm reminded by the fact that they both 131 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: went out with footballers and suddenly that makes them more 132 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: interesting to the mainstream media. Well, it's like how the 133 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: Herald son have suddenly realized who Tammy Hembro is after 134 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: she dated Bailey Smith, who ironically is also easy Armitage's X. 135 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: Now if that wasn't enough to indicate that this friendship 136 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: was over, Izzy also got new management away from Sam, 137 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: while Sam moved to London for six months, and just 138 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: last week, any hope of the pair reuniting on air 139 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: was squashed when Sam replied to a follower who asked 140 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: what was going on with just for Girls, and Sam replied, 141 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: We're just focusing on ourselves and our own lives. Hope 142 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: you can all respect it. No, it comes from a 143 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: good place, but we're just doing our own thing. It's 144 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: really interesting that Sam actually chose the Inherited Podcast to 145 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: delve into this friendship breakup because she hasn't really meant 146 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: anything on her TikTok about it. She's only really replied 147 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: here and there to a few comments. You'd almost think 148 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: that she would want to get all of the engagement 149 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: on her own social media channels if she was going 150 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: to talk about something murky like a friendship breakdown. 151 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 5: Yeah. 152 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: Well, we said the same thing about Olivia Rodgers' interview 153 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: on The Inherited Podcast too, like we don't get why 154 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: she didn't share some of those stories on her own podcasts. 155 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: I mean, Sam of course also has her own podcasts, 156 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: but I think it adds a little bit of legitimacy 157 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: to it, and it doesn't seem like she's just having 158 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: a bit of a brand, Like she was asked about 159 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: it and had to respect it kind of seems like highbrow, like, 160 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: especially because it's from Shameless Media. The podcast. It's like, 161 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: this is a very professional podcast. I've been asked a question, 162 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: so I'm going to eloquently answer it. Well, she didn't 163 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: hold back. So she described them as a married couple 164 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: who became co dependent and explained that their identities got 165 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: so tied up together that they couldn't actually operate as 166 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: separate entities. She also said that they didn't know who 167 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: they were as individuals and realized ultimately they wanted different things. 168 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to more of what Sam said. 169 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 3: Both wanted different things at the end of the day. Yeah, 170 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 3: so then it became hard and maybe a little bit 171 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 3: of resentment came there at the start, which is why 172 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 3: we then decided to stop it because we didn't want 173 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 3: it to get bad. 174 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 2: Like the resentment when you were working together. Well, it 175 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 2: was like, well, I want to go to. 176 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 3: Byron next week, and she was like, well, you can't 177 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 3: go to Byron next week because we have this together. 178 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 2: And it was like, well, okay, both of us have 179 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 2: to go to Byron all of that. 180 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like okay, well then both of us 181 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 3: have to go to Byron if we want to. 182 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 2: Make it work. You're one package. 183 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was like you can't go here without 184 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 3: that person and everything like that. So then it was 185 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 3: like sometimes in friendships as well, it's like you choose 186 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 3: when you want to hang out with someone. And we 187 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 3: started the podcast because we were friends, and then it 188 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 3: was like okay, well I have to see you now 189 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 3: we're in business. Now we're in business to get navigating 190 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 3: that friendship. Yeah, and it was no longer a choice. 191 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 3: It was like you're forced to be there. And I 192 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 3: think that does in your early twenties put a strain 193 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 3: on your friendship. And we were like, we don't want 194 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 3: it to put a strain in our friendship. We want 195 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 3: to stop it before a big blow up on the internet. 196 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 3: And you're having like. 197 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: A big issue. 198 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 3: So that's why we decided, like, what can we put 199 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 3: into place, ye to savor what we have and to 200 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 3: appreciate what we have until the point where we hate 201 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 3: what we have. 202 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 2: And I think it was like the perfect way to 203 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 2: grow our careers. But yeah, having separate things and we 204 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 2: are both different people. 205 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: It's funny because I think Sam was trying to answer 206 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: this question as professionally as possible, but then she got 207 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: caught up in the moment and was like and then 208 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: she said I couldn't go to Byron. And then also 209 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: that mention of oh, we wanted to stop things before 210 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: a big blow up on the internet happened to me, 211 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: it seems like they did have a big friendship bust 212 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: up and it was getting so nasty, to the point 213 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: that one of them was going to call the other 214 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: out online if they didn't agree to go their set propriately. 215 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: It's one of those instances where they both probably had 216 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: so much dirt on each other it wasn't worth either 217 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: of them exposing one another. I mean, we heard Lucy 218 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: Jackson talk about that recently, saying there was no way 219 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: she would ever break up her friendship with Nicky Westcott 220 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: because she's got so much dirt on He just couldn't 221 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: do that. How awkward was it during the interview when 222 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: the host Ruby Hall asked Sam about her breakup with 223 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 1: her AFL ex, Caleb polter So, Ruby asked her, how 224 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 1: does it affect the healing process for you when your 225 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 1: ex has such a big public profile. This is what 226 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: she said. 227 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 3: I think you should ask him that question because I think, 228 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 3: not in like a stuck up way, I have a 229 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 3: bit more of a more public facing career than he does. 230 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 2: I think he didn't. I don't really know. I'm sorry, 231 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:27,359 Speaker 2: I've got him blocked. 232 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 3: So I don't really know what he does. I don't 233 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 3: know if he's a poster or not. Everything like that. 234 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 3: I think it would have been weirder for him because 235 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 3: I would have been the one posting about the. 236 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: Breakup, but he was like, you were the one motal 237 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: and on the podcast. 238 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, like I'm speaking about it now, how do you feel, mate? Like, 239 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't speak to you, but I 240 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 3: think it's weird. 241 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 4: Or navigating it publicly, Yeah, it would have been really weird. 242 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 4: There was back and forth for a while, and yeah, 243 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 4: it was really weird. I think it got more toxic 244 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 4: after the breakup and more than our relationship was, because 245 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 4: the public yeah exactly, and people are saying everything and yeah, 246 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 4: true and. 247 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, like people said that we cheated on each other 248 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 3: and there was like all of that and that we're 249 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 3: back together. We're not back together, and it was kind 250 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 3: of like, I haven't spoken to you in four months. 251 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 2: I know that. 252 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: She said she didn't want to sound stuck up, but 253 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: it came across as quite big headed. I was listening 254 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: to this interview in the car and I nearly exwerve 255 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: the car when I heard it. I was like, oh 256 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: my god, this is so awkward. And you could tell 257 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: Ruby felt really awkward because she's like, oh, I'm sorry. 258 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 1: And I think Sam actually missed the whole point because 259 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: Caleb might not be active on social media like she is, 260 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: but he still has a public profile being an AFL 261 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: player and particularly living in Melbourne, it's difficult to get 262 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: away from that. I mean, Sam spoke a lot about 263 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: how she needed to get out of Melbourne and realize 264 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: how lucky she is to actually live there, and that's 265 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: why she ended up spending the last six months in London. 266 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: It's interesting because we had some commentary and our Facebook 267 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: groups saying that people have loved the Inherited podcast, but 268 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks they haven't enjoyed it as 269 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: much because they've had a couple of influences on. They've 270 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 1: had Davies, Olivia Rodgers and now Sam Guggenheimer, and people 271 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: were like, oh, it's not like hitting the same as 272 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: it did. What did you think about this interview? Well, 273 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: to be honest, I actually got quite bored. But I'm 274 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: not a huge fan of Sammy, Like I'm not a 275 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: fan at all of Sammy googon height, but she's just 276 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: somebody that I know of on the internet. I don't 277 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: really follow her content. I liked the interview with Olivia Rogers, 278 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: and I also loved the chat with m Davies. I 279 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: thought she came across so nigh. I haven't been able 280 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: to bring myself to listen to the m davies one 281 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: because I saw a clip of it on Instagram and 282 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: burst out crying, which was talking about her mom and 283 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 1: I'm like, I need to be in the right head space. 284 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: So it was. It was sad, but it was it 285 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: was a good listen. But I know where people are 286 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: coming from because I think everyone is just a bit 287 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: sick of hearing influences on the same podcasts and it 288 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: sort of sounds like they do the round. Yeah, but 289 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: I think we're inherited has gone right in the past, 290 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: is choosing at angle that everyone's pretty interested in, Like 291 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: they've sort of set it up that it's not just 292 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: your basic chat show where it's like this is this 293 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: person and they do this, you know. With the Olivia interview, 294 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: she really opened up about a divorce. But this interview 295 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: with Sam Guggenheimer, while it was interesting in terms of 296 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: the friendship breakup, it came across as a little bit 297 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: vapid because all they spoke to her about subsequently was 298 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: her dating life. And if you're not really that invested 299 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: in her life, you're not really going to care about 300 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: it because it sounded just like your typical twenty year 301 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: old girl who doesn't you know, talking about I went 302 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: on this date and blah blah blah. Well, I saw 303 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: a few people in Inheritance Reviews were saying, look, I 304 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: love the concept of the podcast, but they also agreed 305 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: saying like, I'm actually kind of sick of hearing these 306 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: same people on it, and they said I really enjoyed 307 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: the interview that they did with Michelle Andrews's mum, and 308 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: that they would like to hear from more everyday people 309 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: who have really good stories to tell as opposed to influencers. 310 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: I think they're probably at that point where they can 311 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: start doing that, because I mean, the reason why you 312 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: get people with big social followings on your podcast is 313 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: to grow your listenership, and they've got a pretty big 314 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: listenership as it is, so I think that they could 315 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: probably start including that. Going back to the interview, my 316 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 1: favorite bit was Sam was talking about her parents because 317 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: her dad was a headmaster at boarding schools, and she 318 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: actually grew up at a boarding school since she was 319 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: eight years old. That's why she left home so early 320 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: at twenty because She's like, I don't want to live 321 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: at a boarding school any longer when they all boys 322 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: schools as well. Yeah, they were so. Her mum also 323 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: works in education, and she explained they don't really know 324 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: much about the social media world, and when Ruby asked 325 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: if they watch her TikTok, she said it's pretty funny 326 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: because her parents have fake accounts that they watched the 327 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: tiktoks in and also reply to hate comments, and Sam 328 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: said that her dad was really witty or their mum 329 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: ended up getting banned for outing them. I actually love 330 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: this because it would be really hard as a parent 331 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: to sit back and just see these nasty comments about 332 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: your children, Like I can actually imagine our mum doing 333 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: something similar. She's not as tech SATV to create a 334 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: fake account, though, I'm just going to be reading her 335 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: comments now and being like, which one's my mom and dad? 336 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 5: I have decided that we're going to have an elective cesarean. 337 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: Laura Henshaw has been shamed online after revealing she's booked 338 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: in for an election sive C section. The founder of 339 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: fitness Empire Kick, disclosed the news to her business partner 340 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: Steph Claire Smith on their podcast Let's Have listened to 341 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: some of what she said. 342 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 5: I could and people have said when I've said I'm 343 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 5: having a cesarean, they the first thing they said to 344 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 5: me is like. 345 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 2: Oh, but is he breached? 346 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 5: No, yes, They're like, oh, like why So there are 347 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 5: times medically where you need to have a cesaian, but 348 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 5: for me, it's elective, and a lot of people, I think, 349 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 5: especially like older generations, to think like, oh, well, if 350 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 5: there's what's the medical reason, because why would you not 351 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 5: want to deliver vaginally? And for me, I don't have 352 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 5: It's so interesting because I always thought when I thought 353 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 5: about myself, okay, I don't know. I love challenging myself, 354 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 5: and so I thought that I would be like, yes, 355 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 5: I want to have a vaginal birth. I don't have 356 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 5: a bone in my body, Like I can't even explain 357 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 5: to you that one. 358 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: That has now. Laura told Steph that she thought long 359 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: and hard about the decision and had consulted with her doctor. 360 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: It turns out that one of Laura's biggest fears is 361 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: tearing during childbirth, so she visited a pelvic floor specialist 362 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: who measured her peroneal length. And this can help determine 363 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: whether you are going to tear or not. I was 364 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: surprised that this was even a thing. I never heard 365 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: about it when I was going through my pregnancy. Yeah, 366 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: I had never heard about this before. And Laura went 367 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: on to say that her pelvic floor specialist, Rachel, also 368 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: warned her about incontinence, which can occur as a result 369 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: of vaginal birth. Let's have a listen to what she said. 370 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 5: But as we were talking, Rach said to me, have 371 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 5: you ever had incontinence? Like, have you approved yourself before? 372 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 5: And I was like, what, why is this in this conversation? 373 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 5: Like in my head, I'm like, colvic floor is You're like, 374 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 5: we're just winging? 375 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 2: And I did. I didn't. I didn't didn't even think. 376 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 5: And I was like, well, I actually approved myself running before. 377 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 5: She's like how often? And I told her and she 378 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 5: was like, okay, Well, if you have had incontinents before, 379 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 5: if you have now, the chance of having like a 380 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 5: third or fourth degree tear is quite low. I think 381 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 5: it's one in twenty or something like that, six percent. 382 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 5: But if you do have that tear, there is a likelier. 383 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 2: Your incontinence would get worse. It's possible. 384 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 5: It is possible that my in continance would get worse, 385 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 5: and I was like, Okay, that for me is the 386 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 5: last Like that was really helpful information. 387 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 1: I mean they really went there with the whole pooing 388 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 1: themselves thing. It didn't really surprise me though, that Laura 389 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: wanted to have a C section because she is such 390 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 1: a self proclaimed control free like she has a type 391 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: a personality, and I feel like this is actually the 392 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: best option for her. Having been someone that has had 393 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: a C section, you know exactly what date you're going in. 394 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: You do feel a bit more in control with the 395 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: situation because of that very reason. Well, at the end 396 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: of the day, whatever she chooses for herself is the 397 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: best for herself. I just don't understand why women have 398 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: to shame other women for how they choose to give birth. 399 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: It's insane. Yeah, and Laura also said another huge motivating 400 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: factor for her booking in a C section is the 401 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: fact that her husband, Dalton, has a huge fear of hospitals, 402 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: so he has said that his biggest fear is actually 403 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: Laura dying during childbirth, so Laura opting for a sea 404 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 1: section has apparently made him feel a lot more in 405 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: control of the situation. I have to admit When Laura 406 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: said that, I was like, oh no, no, don't open 407 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: up about that, because I know people were going to 408 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,479 Speaker 1: hit back and be like, don't you understand that there 409 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: are so many risks to having a caesarean and it's 410 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: major surgery. It's like, well, there are also risks to 411 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: having vaginal birth as well. There is still this huge 412 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: stigma around it, unfortunately, and people were so vile to 413 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: her online. So she and the kickpod they both reshared 414 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: a clip of her talking about her decision to have 415 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,719 Speaker 1: a sea section on the podcast, and there were so 416 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: many vile comments. So one said, oh, she only wants 417 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: to get a C section to keep herself I quote 418 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: tidy for her husband, and another person accused her of 419 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: being too precious to push now. Laura responded by sharing 420 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: a TikTok entitled dear people on the Internet, this may 421 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: shock you, but it's true, and she said this. 422 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 5: Hello just to remind her that the only person who 423 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 5: should have an opinion on your birth preference is actually you. 424 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 2: In consultation with your healthcare professional. 425 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: It just really frustrates me, this stigma around caesareans. When 426 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 1: I was waiting to go into surgery for my cesarean. 427 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: The anethetists actually asked me, oh, so why are you 428 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: going through a cesarean? Just don't want to push. And 429 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 1: this is literally like minutes before I went into major surgery. 430 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: I could not believe it. And the whole thing is 431 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 1: everyone was saying like, ah, does she even know the risks? 432 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 1: When you go into hospital and you ask for an 433 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: elective cesarean, they give you so much information about all 434 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: of the risks that come along with it. And I 435 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: remember saying, well, do you have a pamphlet about the 436 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: risks of having a vaginal birth? And they admitted They're like, well, 437 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: we actually don't, but there are also a lot of 438 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: risks associated with that. But there is, as you said, 439 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: just this stigma around it that have so much more 440 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: dangerous and it's really what suits the mother. 441 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 5: Well. 442 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: I went to a birth class because originally I was 443 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: trying to keep open minded about the whole thing, even 444 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: though in the back of my mind I was like, 445 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: I think I want a cesarean. And they did speak 446 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: about a lot of the risks associated with vaginal birth. 447 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: I mean, there wasn't a pamphlet and the different implements 448 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: like that, and talking about fourth degree tares I was 449 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: like that decision has been made for me in saying 450 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: that though there are so many people that have positive 451 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 1: experiences giving birth vaginally, just like they are with cesareans, 452 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: and then there are also people that have negative experiences. Like, 453 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, if you educate yourself 454 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: on what the risks are, you need to work out 455 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: what's best for you. I just don't even understand why 456 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 1: people feel the need to shame others about their own 457 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: personal choices on their own bodies. It's like the whole 458 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 1: breastfeeding and formula thing as well. It's like, just let 459 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: people do whatever they want. Today, we're trialing a new segment. 460 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: It's called the Friday News Dump. Essentially, it's an influencer 461 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: news version of an Instagram photo dump. So we're gonna 462 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: run through some top line stories that are creating buzz online. 463 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: The first is about Emily hembro So. 464 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 5: She is set to. 465 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: Release her own podcast called Let's Be Real So. The 466 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: podcast promises to offer listeners an honest look behind the 467 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: scenes at the highs and lows of motherhood and entrepreneurship. 468 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: What's a most interesting about this podcast announcement is the 469 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: fact that Emily is partnering with Nova, who also happened 470 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: to partner with Emily's former brother in law, Matt Zakowski's 471 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: podcast Where's Your Head at how owten? No, I'm actually wondering, 472 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: did the team at Nova listen to that controversial interview 473 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: that Emily did on his show and thought, Wow, look 474 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: at the ratings, Look at how outspoken she is. We 475 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: need this girl on our network. I'm calling it. Her 476 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: first guest will be Tammy and they'll do a tell 477 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: all about that. 478 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 3: I hope. 479 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: So Now. In Influencer real estate news, Ellie Watson has 480 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 1: shopped her followers after listing her Gold Coast Hinderland home 481 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: for sale now. The property, known as the Veilcassa, was 482 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: billed as the families forever home. However, since sharing the 483 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: incredible renovations online, the family have been bombarded with offers, 484 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: so they finally decided to put the property on the market. 485 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: This is a bit like Georgie Stephenson. This is what 486 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: she did with her dream home. Yeah, but it was 487 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: a little bit different because she realized that her dream 488 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: home no longer suited her family because she was growing 489 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: her family, she had another baby. She's like oh god, 490 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: I don't think this five story manch is going to 491 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: do it. They were also getting a lot of big offers, 492 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: Georgie said in one of her podcasts. Now, just back 493 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: to Ellie's home and it's set to go under the 494 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: hammer on the fifteenth of November. So she and her 495 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 1: husband Alex are set to more than double their investment, 496 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 1: with a bidding war expected. So in twenty twenty one 497 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: they paid just over one point four million dollars for 498 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: the home. It is absolutely starting. It's going to go 499 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: for so much. I mean, let's hope it's a good auction. 500 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: After the Block's auction. I'm feeling bloody nervous for them. 501 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: Do we know where she's moving to. They haven't disclosed, 502 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: but they said that they're looking for a new home 503 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 1: to renovate. So, I mean, that's going to be great 504 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 1: for a YouTube engagement because everybody loved following along. She's 505 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: got such beautiful style. Now on a local front for 506 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: US Adelaide Girls, Adelaide content creator Ella McGrath, better known 507 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: as Smiley Citrus, has revealed she made over forty four 508 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: thousand dollars this month purely from content creation. Now, this 509 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: is the largest amount of money Ella has ever made 510 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: as a content creator in one month. So she quit 511 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: her full time job over a year and a half ago, 512 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: and amazingly, she's earned nearly the same amount in one 513 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: month as a content creator than what she would have 514 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: earned in a whole year as a travel agent. To 515 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: put it into perspective, she's got around one hundred thousand 516 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: followers on Instagram and has hit the seventy k mark 517 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: on YouTube. That is big money, yeah, and she's put 518 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 1: it down to diversifying her income streams and also the 519 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: content she shares. So originally she was known for talking 520 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 1: about her personal finances, which she obviously has continued to do, 521 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,360 Speaker 1: and she also talks about home and lifestyle as well 522 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: as her journey into motherhood. Now I love all of 523 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: these pervy details. So she revealed that she made over 524 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: two thousand dollars on YouTube, four thousand on affiliate links, 525 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 1: and over thirty seven thousand on brand deals. I mean, 526 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,360 Speaker 1: if that doesn't tell you that micro influencers are cleaning 527 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: up in the advertising space, do we consider someone with 528 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: a hundred thousand a micro influencer? Though? Well, if you 529 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: compare her to say, a Tammy Hembro who's got what 530 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: like fifteen million followers, or Sarah's Day who's got a million. Yeah, 531 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: in the scheme of things, one hundred thousand is a 532 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: micro influencer. I think they're mega influencers. I mean, I 533 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: think she's on the cusp. Like I think she's probably 534 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: just sur past being a micro influencer. I liked how 535 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: she reiterated to her followers that she wasn't a big 536 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: content creator and said this just goes to show there 537 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 1: is so much money and so much opportunity in this 538 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: industry and truly anything is possible. Also the fact that 539 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: she was pouring her home brand milk into her ice 540 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: latte and she was wearing a Kmart top, I think 541 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: that just shows that she is one of the people. 542 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: Now moving on, Molly May's mum, Debbie Gordon, has hinted 543 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: she may be starting her own YouTube channel now. I 544 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: officially want to create a petition to make sure this 545 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: actually happens, because Debbie is hilarious. So during her daughter 546 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: Zoe Ray's recent flog, she poked fun at influencers who 547 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: were always annoyingly tapped being on products. I'm going to 548 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: insert a clip. 549 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 5: Mum. Mum is a frustrated blog. 550 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 6: FaceTime me the other day, and she was doing a 551 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 6: whole of some umbits that she got through my protein 552 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 6: and she was like picking all the jumpers up and 553 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 6: like doing this on all the labels and stuff and 554 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 6: the jump You're in a story and you were like, 555 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 6: and then what you're saying about the jumpers, what was 556 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:27,719 Speaker 6: the word? I'm obsessed? 557 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 5: Obsessed? 558 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 6: She picks up and he goes, Guys, I'm so obsessed. 559 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 6: I've really taken them. I'm super excited. 560 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 2: I'm obsessed. 561 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: She went on to reveal that she'd actually been inspired 562 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: by Anastasia kings North's mum, Julie, who created her own 563 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: YouTube channel off the back of her daughter's fame. So 564 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: Julie started the YouTube channel a couple of years ago 565 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: at the age of fifty, and she's managed to make 566 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 1: youtubeing in her full time job. Her videos are hilarious 567 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: because they're just so relaxing. It's literally her filming herself 568 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: doing Anmnesse hall or her going to Tesco's, Like, there's 569 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: not much to them, but I actually watched them in 570 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: front of them quite relaxing. I mean, it makes sense 571 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 1: that Molly May's mum wants to get him in the action. 572 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: Zoe Ray, her sister has and she's now become one 573 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: of the UK's most popular in Zoe, So why not 574 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: getting on Zoe's husband Danny as well. I actually think 575 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: that he's about to announce that he's leaving the army 576 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: because his YouTube channel was taken off. He's got I 577 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: think nearly one hundred thousand followers on Instagram as well. 578 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: And you can tell that Zoe joining YouTube has changed 579 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: their life because they're just having this brand new house built, 580 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: like before they were having to live in this tiny apartment. 581 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: So it is incredible what social media has done for 582 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 1: that family, very lucrative for them. Now the rumor mill 583 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: is an overdrive that Robert Irwin has a new girlfriend. 584 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 3: Now. 585 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: I can hear jen Zetta's hearts breaking across the country 586 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 1: as I say this. 587 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 4: Now. 588 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: Robert, who is currently competing on the US version of 589 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars, is rumored to be dating nineteen 590 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: year old American professional dancer Hailey Bills, who is also 591 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: appearing on Dancing with the Stars. Celebrity gossip account Dide 592 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: broke the news sharing an email on Tuesday which tipped 593 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 1: them off. It said everyone's favorite Dancing with the Stars 594 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: bachelor has paused his search for his American dream girl 595 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: to have some playtime be on the ballroom. He went 596 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: on to say, my sources tell me he's been spotted 597 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: a few times getting cozy with a brunette, the same 598 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: one he follows around on set. She's the only Troup 599 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: member he follows on Instagram. 600 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 5: Now. 601 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: Everyone online has been saying that Robert's rumored new girlfriend 602 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: looks a lot like his sister Bindi Erwin. I can't 603 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:29,959 Speaker 1: see it. 604 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 5: What. 605 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: I don't think they look similar at all. Yeah, I 606 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: think that one person has commented and everyone's run with it. Well, 607 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: I think that's all we've got time for today. Thank 608 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 1: you so much for listening to another episode of Outspoken. 609 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: If you want to follow us on Instagram, we are 610 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,360 Speaker 1: at Outspoken Underscore, the Underscore Podcast. You can also follow Kate, 611 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: Sophie and I on Instagram too. This episode was recorded 612 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: on the traditional land of the Ghana people of the 613 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 1: Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to elders past and present, 614 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: so my hand